Bloke In A Bar - 2023 Grand Final Review w/ RL Guru, SC Playbook & James Graham

[@ZombiesAteMyDuck]

Interesting take from James regarding the lack of celebration after Leota’s try. It felt more to me like they were just locked in on getting the ball back and going again. You look at Cleary’s face after that try and you’ll never see someone with a more locked in look on their face.

[@wilhelmbanse615]

Yeah I saw it your way aswell the squad wasn't celebrating because they were getting back into position to receive the kick off and go on

[@benhardacre588]

I love what Jimmy G added. Brilliant insight. But I think you’re right my friend

[@doingadlay]

Yeah bro 100 percent

[@sadultralight]

As a life-long Panthers fan, it made me so unbelievably happy to see the Peach get a premiership ring. The three-peat is insane too, and Cleary was brilliant, but the Peach was one of my favourite players some years ago and to see him finally have a premiership to his name makes me happy. What a season.

[@miggity_mac]

Great job exposing some of the other player’s contributions to the game. Its easy to shine the light on Nathan for the win but the whole team needs to be credited for playing their roles.

[@mickeyrees3797]

People sleeping on Clearys running game. Dude is strong , good footwork , good fend and has pace. They've adjusted every year after a winning , next year I think we'll see him play both sides more and get the ball 2 passes wide more.

[@triggerman90]

I remember last week Gordan Tallis on 360 saying that "kids wanted to be Reece Walsh, they dont want to be Nathan Cleary" 😂

[@bushybill7189]

The hatred of the news media journalists against Penrith is laughable. Can't wait to watch their review of the game and watch them eat humble pie.

[@sk_dede8635]

Bloke doesn't know what he's saying sometimes

[@brentoneslick2136]

Typical Queenslander remark

[@jest3167]

@@bushybill7189 WTF are you talking about 99% of the media have an absolute love affair with Cleary and what Tallis said is actually accurate just look at Benji in his prime everyone wanted to be Benji Marshall as opposed to someone like Cronk

[@Dellasus2011]

@triggerman90 Gordon later qualified it saying it was kids in Townsville... they wanted to be Reece Walsh... I assure you, there are ZERO kids in St Marys who want to be Walsh

[@thatguyedits1920]

Ivan needs credit for giving Critta that conversion from the right side. Considering they won by only 2 points. Even despite Nathan's 50% conversion rate from the right side still would have been a big call for Ivan to make.

[@alexm631]

Cleary was off limping with the trainer at the time 😂

[@tunnza]

This is going to be a tough carry as a broncos fan. See how long I can watch😂

[@hoodoussadlay]

Donkeys have always had a good choke in them

[@benhardacre588]

Chin up Tunnza. Will be a powerhouse next yr again and luck may shine your way.

[@therelinquished4751]

Shout out to Garner going from wooden spooner to premiership winner 🤙

[@nathanchandra9434]

Few big turning points, Bronx were up 24-8, around the 58th min, Critta jumped on a loose ball and they go down the field - changed the momentum of the game. Reno’s short drop kicks and Luai getting subbed as well.

[@honestpat7789]

Reece Walsh walking, hands on hips in the backfield would have wet Penriths lips too 😢

[@nuephy9956]

Cleary prove him wrong 😅

[@helenivanic1628]

The Broncos didn’t get the memo that the Panthers have achieved 3/4 tries in 17mins against the storm or was it the roosters in the earlier rounds.

[@Glyphiiics]

New Zealander. and can honestly say this is the best NRL Podcast hands down. love willie mason's but man. the vibes here ! too good

[@samuelnewlinds3295]

Love the dynamic jimmy brings keep him on.

[@rugbyleagueguru]

Vote for the best front row forward on the panel today in the comments. (The other guys name is James Graham)

[@paddyg]

Back: Kempy Half: Timmy Forward: Jimmy Hooker: Guru Utility: Hammy Alfie: Matty

[@Steelahh]

Calling yourself "Guru" has to be the dribbliest thing you can do

[@forjordy9969]

@@SteelahhL

[@thatguyedits1920]

​@@forjordy9969dribbliest is a compliment in these parts deary

[@wyattroberts2095]

Think the game turned when fish and leotista came back on and won the middle back that they lost when fish n leotista went off

[@shaunwhiskey]

Cogger was a huge difference when he came on. I think Cleary said post match that Cogger made a huge difference to how he was playing when he came on.

[@helenivanic1628]

And yet, Cogger has signed up with Newcastle Knights. Shame.

[@Pomoz7]

Denan, I just want to say you are all class. You are an ex-Bronco and you were so balanced in your comments in spite of your disappointment. Great stuff.

[@1ynchy]

I must say although we lost gotta give props to jessie arthurs especially in the first half his run backs reminded me of Karmicheal Hunt i thought he was our best player on the field in the first half

[@powderskier5547]

What Penrith did was frikn amazing

[@benhardacre588]

As a Penrith fan, I’d just like to congratulate Kempy on this episode. His intelligence and RL insight were always going to be a given. My specific reasoning is how difficult this episode would have been to record and give this analysis when heartbroken. Thank you Denan (& all the boys) for everything this year. It’s been a pleasure and I’ll continue to spread the word on your work. (Nothing to do with this podcast) conversely, I’d like to highlight how disgraceful gordon tallis has been on post GF last night on 360, and the entirety of last week with relentless barbs and one sided views. Zero integrity. Zero professionalism.

[@jayonefive234]

very solid words

[@craigwilson3170]

Broncos fan here, couldn’t agree more. Watch Tallis when someone disagrees with him - he speaks over them and basically bullies them. Loved him as a player - but in the media …

[@braydenblackmore5002]

Leota is a weapon! Roll tape back to last years grand final. Edwards covering tackle the big fella is first guy sprinting back to help if need.

[@jymonfernandez8087]

Re. Timmy’s question about Luai and whether it was all his shoulder or strategy… I was sitting row 3 in the Panthers bay right in front of the posts when Luai came off over the dead ball line. He was dangling that injured arm like it had little strength in it, cussing himself out for being “forced” from the field. Looked to me like he wasn’t able to stay on.

[@ZacHart91]

I don't understand the hate for Cleary at all. I think it's because he gets compared to the greats and people are so attaches to them that they're threatened by it? I dunno. And I'm a cows/qld fan but he's an amazing player and seems like a good dude, nothing but love brah ❤️

[@benhardacre588]

One of the most intelligent things I’ve heard a neutral say. You’re obviously not weak minded or influenced by gordon tallis on nrl360

[@craigwilson3170]

100% Zac, I’m a Broncos supporter and cannot understand the dislike for Cleary.

[@Tonymarshall11]

Idk if anyone else sees this, but that first try in particular from Mam gave me alot of Jason Robinson vibes, the way he held the ball tight and almost shimmied and accelerated through the line

[@pixelpotato4874]

Critta intercepts a bouncing ball and offloads to Leota.Scores a try against The Beast Staggs.Makes crucial tackles against Walsh.He'll be more than Welcome at the Bulldogs

[@up2cuzz]

Love the show! Would be cool to see a season review episode with all the fans from each club like you have done before. Just a thought. Onya boys 💯🙌

[@sqdn]

guru doin the chicken dance is one of the great rugby league moments

[@clouphon3019]

Up the Panthers!!!

[@AzzaT90]

Up the mighty panthers!!! what a performance!!

[@emayteetee6232]

Love the poddy Kempy and my thanks and appreciation for how many hours all of you blokes put up over a season. The Dylan Edwards of podcasting churning out the numbers week in & week out! Gotta say though I think the championing of the Broncos is a tad high on this one. Credit they dug in. Absolutely. Credit they produced some mad individual moments. 100%. But, all in, they played well for about 25-35 mins of a GF in my opinion and that's just not good enough, albeit a compliment to see they can go so close without really delivering for the majority of the game. I personally don't think you can say 'If only they'd made 4/5 less errors and they'd have won'. Because the easy instant comeback is 'If Cleary just misses two less tackles the Broncos have 12 less points'. So glad you gave Leota & JFH the credit you did, and the subsequent championing of Carrigan & Haas (Haas in particular) is more than fine. BUT, I believe the score when Leota & JFH are on the field is 26-0. For all the talk of Leota, JFH & Yeo vs Haas, Flegler & Carrigan leading into the game, the result of that particular middle battle was, like it or not, one sided. The drop off to Leniu & Smith was Penrith's main issue on the night in my opinion. Haas & Carrigan are obviously fantastic players so I'm not being a flog, but I feel nobody will come out and say that when they were toe to toe with the Penrith pair that, despite individual stats, the game momentum and flow beyond merely stats shows who dominated without question. In both stints. I'm with Guru that you can talk about them in the Webcke/Petero mould now. Thanks again for another season of podcasting to all of you fellas, love your work and grateful for how many listening hours you put up.

[@bieltann9058]

Best start to the poddy ever 😆😆🤣

[@SportsAndNonsensePodcast]

Moses leota coming back onto the field was second in line to nathan cleary why they won that match

[@stevvvvveperry]

Fisher Harris as well

[@BlokeInABar]

Having some dramas with KZbin processing, only 360p quality for premiere. Will be HD after.

[@JiMEp]

What was Reynolds thinking by taking attacking drop outs when 16 points up? There was no need for it.

[@jenconvertibles]

There’s a certain je ne sais quoi about this poddy that keeps me coming back, loving your work kempy. Now you just need to fix that warped photo frame behind timmy aha

[@GCBGIRL]

I'm so proud of Broncos boys like so many of their supporters. Difference between two teams was broncos made errors and panthers didn't. However as painful as it was, I'm totally convinced that Broncos' best time has just began. Looking forward to next year. LET'S GO BRONCOS!! Absolutely love them to bit, through and through! ❤️

[@JiMEp]

100% it was disappointing but looking forward to see what they do in the future.

[@pn3uma236]

Really brave from kempy to show up today. Tough stuff

[@tbomars2175]

any live reaction of the beak in tears after the game?

[@jakeismyfirstname]

Jimmy being a mainstay would be ideal

[@treybingarape3688]

Not sure of he fits the dynamics but if he settled in great we'd be lucky to have him

[@SlaintheMhath]

Ivan is at home working on number 4.

[@tjcint]

Gentlemen, brilliant, thoughtful analysis.

[@marcusspagnardi1902]

One of the greatest Grand Final games we will ever witness. Just wanted to share my opinion about Clearly, he is becoming one of the greatest number 7's in the NRL era no question at all. Do we think he does what he did if Luai and Yeo don't go off injured? I think if they both stay on the field, Clearly possibly doesn't do what he did because he wouldn't have to do anything special himself if they were still on. Still not taking away his unbelievable performance but something I thought about after the game. Panthers 4 in a row next year 😬 As a roosters Fan... I hope not 🐓🐓🐓

[@BradMD9]

Only question marks I have for the Broncos - it was mentioned its a similar vibe to 2020 Penrith - in the 2020 GF the Panthers almost came back and stole the game - complete reverse here, the Broncs blew a huge lead and lost in the worst way possible. I am interested to see how they respond next year mentally.

[@leshgooo1016]

Scott sorenson doesn’t even get a mention. In that last minute when he came away with the ball from Walsh that could’ve possibly saved the game for Penrith. Who know what broncos could’ve done if Walsh didn’t give it away. That was a big play too from Scotty.

[@maka3230]

Great commentary. Great analysis and passion from you guys.

[@andyr1l3y25]

staggs over farnworth in team of the week is crazy ! thought farnworth was one of broncos best

[@craigwilson3170]

100%. His defence on Tago in the first half kept the Panthers at 8 instead of 20.

[@MrAndrewChung]

James graham using the word unbelievable…..hahaha

[@craigwilson3170]

Underrated comment.

[@Beauskibeau]

Will the stream be from chemist warehouse in Brisbane

[@SanFranciscoRiderr]

been a penrith fan since 1987 shocking win !

[@ruru.5085]

You’re a champ for holding it together kempy, don’t now you did mate👍🏾

[@bennewman543]

one of the toughest games to watch as a bronx fan but fuck me seeing ezra throw his body on the line in that last 5mins was a big positive, he threw himself at martin and just cemented his quality i reckon, not just the x factor but the grit too

[@andylauniuvao9676]

"Who do you think you are? I AM!" - Kempy after the definition of je ne sais quoi was read 😂

[@thomashudson6347]

Stay patient broncos fans

[@justcredible9]

Go the panthers

[@Clipz_-yz5yk]

Look head up bronx fans remember Penrith didn’t win straight away they had to grind to win I feel like Bronx have shown greatness to compete with the best and make it to a GF now they got to put in that work going into next szn. Exited to see what the bronx are going to achieve in the coming years.

[@SampaFourty69]

I know people are pissed at Reynolds for the drop kicks but it's the GF you gotta put everything out there with no regrets.

[@lauifisaufoisamoa]

2022 Panthers wipes the floor against this years Panthers

[@Odd1x]

Early like for the thumbnail, Love Grahams insight.

[@dingodave04]

Matty is the curse. He cursed the bunnies in magic round saying" who's gonna beat us". Now he's cursed the broncos with his premature ejaculation during the grand final.

[@mattbuxton8291]

Might use my evil for good and purposely curse the Roosters and Queensland next year

[@dingodave04]

@mattbuxton8291 you can save us Matty.

[@powderskier5547]

I dont believe the Bronco's first try was really a try

[@farazalam5772]

Was given a try and side angle showed some ball on the ground

[@trevormarshall5554]

@@farazalam5772don’t agree

[@GhostOfBane]

i think Penrith were playing too safe first half, thought they could grind them out of the game. Once is 8-24 Cleay had to open up and attack.

[@helenivanic1628]

Get all the Bronco players tired. Then show them why the Panthers won the 2 previous GF’s. As Cleary said, he was on the lookout for tired Broncos defenders to get that all important try to level at 24-24. Excellent strategy by Cleary.

[@ZacHart91]

Imo I think staggs hurt Luais shoulder around the time he comes off. I only saw it live but stags runs full pace at his bad shoulder and it's really heavy contact. A few mins later he gets taken off.

[@jaemenjohn3519]

Only good thing about daylight savings is this premiers while im still at work now

[@ava_oce]

Commiserations beak loved the passion all year mate

[@Palmwhat]

Just on carrrigan he didn’t cover across the inside space nore tell Reece walsh to cover that inside where Nathan ran through for the win so all that extra shit he does that your talking about doesn’t matter he didn’t do it when it mattered the absolute most

[@treybingarape3688]

I've watch the replay like 5 times.. the one bloke no ones mentioned is Reece Walsh on the play... bloke completely stopped moving his feet and didn't cover

[@Palmwhat]

@@treybingarape3688 so did carrrigan and he is the LEADER they all carry on about it was his job to tell him or push him in that space he was standing still also

[@Palmwhat]

@@treybingarape3688 it’s expected from Reese Walsh his always lazy

[@Palmwhat]

@@treybingarape3688 all you been hearing all year is carrrigan is the spiritual leader of this group and Queensland and future Aus captain rah rah rah

[@panthers1963]

It is the fullback’s job to follow the ball. Walsh stopped moving and left the hole. Edwards, Gutherson and Tedesco do not stop in this situation.

[@Jaime_nz]

Dally M system doesnt work they need to tweak it or add a dally m forward of the year/defensive player of the year maybe?

[@JT-fn4eu]

Penrith are just way better then any other team in.the comp ... they hammered Brisbane from the start ... Reynolds was flustered and the middles where absolutely dominated for 65 minutes..

[@craigwilson3170]

They literally beat Brisbane in the last 3 minutes by 2 points, and Cleary said it was the toughest game he’s ever played in. They had to pull off the greatest comeback in NRL GF history to win. They went 1-1 in the regular season and both lost 5 games.

[@mcnamarapogla]

The only selection mistake Cleary made was picking Tyrone May to play centre against Justin Olam over Brent Naden who he benched in the Penrith v Melbourne GF. Naden came on in the second half and you could see the difference. Ivan chose a versitile utility to play centres over a specialized centre-winger that has played there the entire year. That selection choice haunts me to this day and i bet it does Ivan aswell.

[@benhardacre588]

1:51 “it absolutely shit me the media narrative all last week, so 1 sided geared for 1 team” Nrl360 ???? Maggot Tallis ????

[@MJB_9292]

Im convinced Haas isn't human haha he's a machine. The stuff he does is just unbelievable. I'm already calling it that he'll be the greatest ever prop and/or forward to have played when he finishes his career

[@paulmccarragher4106]

What I saw was a team who were winning and started to rehearse their winning speeches and forgot the game went for 80 minutes. Worst thing about the game were the Channel Nine Commentators who were so bronco we had to turn their commentary off. Best thing was Cleary and his magnificent last 20 minutes where he showed the broncos how the game was played. Most satisfying moment was when Reynolds, Walters and especially Reese missed the tackle that lost them the game. Jokers, Strokers and Big Game Chokers which will haunt them.

[@danielcarmichael8961]

Love to see Cleary and Mam have a beer

[@sironen24]

No way in hell this broncos teams beats the 21/22 panthers 😂

[@Solomona685]

Can see Newcastle in the play for a top 4 spot with Cogger added to the lineup now

[@damienwhyte4723]

Critter played a massive part of that win cleary was good but so was critter

[@Dellasus2011]

I'm sure its Scott Gale who does the short drop for Raiders in 91

[@OGEETOMO]

I saw no difference between the Fleggler try and the Cam Mcguiness no try vs. the Roosters.

[@mick1446]

Nothing better then beating a qld team 😂 in grand final

[@craigwilson3170]

So you support every team in NSW?

[@Viks231]

I honestly reckon broncos should look up to the panthers and what they’ve done with such a young team , instead of them & also media creating a rivalry between each other .

[@bartcolen]

Love Jimmy's unremitting support of the international game.

[@finnwilko]

can we get matty a mic again so he doesn’t have to lean into tim’s “cross land”

[@DrunkenPound]

Typical when you can't accept the loss, you say, "Rugby League was the winner at the end of the day "

[@FiftyCircles]

54:33 In French, je ne sais quoi literally means "I don't know what." It's used to capture an indescribable, special distinguishing feature, or to name some unnamable quality. - Google, 2023

[@dylankelly5230]

Im worried about broncos punch up the middle next year, flegler has really evolved and gotten the shit out of his game. Hes going to be missed sorely, we get fletcher baker next year but still feel flegler is top tier forward now. And also herbie farnworths work rate is crazy i used to rate staggs over him but tbh if you could resign again i reckon ya take herbie and get rid of staggs. Herbie is alot more consistent but staggs is a beast for sure i just feel we'll see the difference next year with him gone

[@jayonefive234]

100%% baker has potential he can be better then fleg arthurs going to centres, mariner on wing. hmmmm

[@djbezzer89]

I would don’t sleep on mariner have a few forwards who can grow with more experience look at flegler earlier in his career te Kura one to watch hopefully Wilison continues to grow

[@dylankelly5230]

He hasn't got the mungrel like flegler and flegler is alot bigger than fletcher, I've been watching him closely playing for roosters, he's good but we need that mungrel in that pack. Haas isn't that he's the bulldozer that gets through big meters, carrigan is the brains and heart in the pack. Willison is a beast but they're still very young and when it comes to a game like that grand final uo against fisher Harris and leota. You'll see the difference, plus they arnt that mungrel aggressive type which is ok they're going to be great forwards in the future. Arthur's is a gun but herbies work rate is on another level I'm not sleeping on anyone but the stat's don't lie and I don't see any centre in our squad doing it. I've watched mariner play and he's good but he's not putting out what herbie does it's that simple, We'll see next year.

[@madpanther1268]

Every one has forgotten that the Broncos used their last replacements at the 60 minute mark. Penrith gassed them and came home strong.

[@Bublikorbubley]

Bro the first 19 minutes is an ad 🤣

[@magicseadog8674]

Greatness > Hotness

[@hazziqs6945]

Did Cleary really have that bad of a first 60 I thought it was good

[@treybingarape3688]

Kicked it dead missed a few big tackles that lead to trys

[@dingodave04]

I thought his first half was pretty good. Played for field position, which probably helped him in the last 20.

[@rgw5830]

Interesting your comment about Joey - could he have done that? He didn't need to ! Cleary's first 60 minutes was woeful, excruciatingly woeful. Without Stephen Crichton's relentless attack, they simply don't win.

[@SpaceMonkeyGVTV]

'99 Man United win in added injury time in the Champions League final was against Bayern Munich ❤

[@pixelpotato4874]

And now they can't beat Crystal Palace 😂😂😂

[@SpaceMonkeyGVTV]

@@pixelpotato4874 yep. they are mud...

[@jvckxz8466]

Hope we can blood mozer more next year ,

[@hazziqs6945]

Critta. Best fade in the game

[@geniusresolution9489]

Walsh just likes the smell of his own farts a bit too much and believed they were better than they are

[@Dozmutt]

Love ya boys and I’m usually into the Cleary chat because he will go down as one of the greatest ever I believe. That second half was the greatest gf performance ever. But the disrespect to Joey, Thurston, Lockyer etc. is bullshit, I’m not denying any of his achievements and attributes but the kids 25 and is still yet to dominate origin. The disrespect to Ponga and Johnson as well (Ponga did beat a top 4 side guru). Tough listen turned off vv early

[@chickachambrez]

Mental what people are saying about Walsh! Granted they kept him quiet first half but that assist alone was absolutely insane. Broncos hang on 2 more minutes and the narrative is Walsh is a king and Nathan Cleary isn’t a big game player….

[@trevormarshall5554]

Walsh was pathetic

[@bb198]

Ezra Mam is an absolute weapon, definitely an origin smokey, cant wait to see him burning NSW for a decade

[@openwater4897]

It was hard to watch the game after that Tina pre game show. I felt a bit sick.

[@braedenkeyes]

Let’s go 🔥

[@Jaime_nz]

Crichton applied the pressure that makes a champion team reminds me of Qld trapping NSW in goal for 20 mins those are the plays that win it. They wont have that next year

[@trevormarshall5554]

Someone will fill the gap. Tago will improve massively and Taylan May in centres 😀😀😀

[@ballchinian911]

Timmy of ( picks team up off the canvas ) fame

[@iksnaustralia6262]

Kempy with Staggs & Isaako to play for Roos & Kiwis. Most likely Staggs plays for Tonga & Isaako for Samoa so neither are guaranteed at all

[@gurbigill1]

why Denan kept saying club land..its still hurting

[@SennyMarshall]

Big Jammer!