Intrigue in Copenhagen: A Tale of High-Stakes Corporate Espionage

[@business]

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[@Frivals]

You are speaking about the espionage that USA is going 24h/7days?

[@robertgittings8662]

*Oh USA Bloomberg :)* after you kidnapped their CEO's daughter on false charge that is not enough for you (then "huge scoop" on the same company spy on the US network turn out to be fabricated by you) apparently these are still not enough for you. Fear of losing hegemony is REAL

[@oishibeats5476]

Bloomberg should do one of CIA, it got proven they used Denmark for several decades to spionage on Europe, It was in closed doors here in denmark and no charges where raised against CIA. But i guess its better to point fingers at the bad guys. CIA had used denmark for 30+ years to spy on Europe VIA Denmark, that is fact even if America tries to cover it up. Also did you mention TDC went bankrupt in Denmark ? Propaganda always prevails over the truth. And at the forefront of it all is Capitalist ready to profit. And i can tell you who scraped the cake here, American capital did sure we can follow the money to China but in reality it ended up in America. Total monopoly of Internet provided by America controlled by America, just like all foreign affairs in the West and just like "Nato"

[@Yotrek]

This need to be a whole series. Peeling back the layers of modern day espionage in business and government.

[@watsappenin2865]

Facts why do I find these videos so so interesting. Should make more longer videos this is crazy

[@business]

Many more stories like this coming soon. Stay tuned.

[@ethankishi4228]

@@watsappenin2865look up American Greed if you haven’t watched those episodes. It’s crazy the length people will go through with scams

[@forloop7713]

Yes please

[@newchannel1220]

MOVIE

[@andreasottohansen7338]

Huawei engaging in Espionage to secure a contract is hilarious, cause in attempting it, they prove exactly why they aren't wanted in the first place.

[@lolnein7216]

I know that this stuff even happens within Germany. DTAG and SAP somehow win suspiciously many contracts by a small margin ;)

[@carlos7mh]

Saying it as if it’s the only company doing this

[@andreasottohansen7338]

@@carlos7mh i am really not, because that would be wrong. I am calling out Huawei here specifically, because Huawei not only did the spying, but have done so after being not selected for a bid because of their spying

[@Funkoh]

@@carlos7mh sure other companies may commit espionage but ultimately it was Huawei which took it to another level by a long shot and was caught in the act

[@definitelynotblitzcrank5566]

They have likely gained a lot of ground through espionage attempts that were successful in the past.

[@hux0rz]

Jason Lan acted in compliance with all applicable laws... which is why he booked a 1 way ticket straight back to China

[@Zetunez]

Wild, the dude is almost completely scrubbed from the net, besides this story being associated to him from Bloomberg.

[@davidmin3583]

It's as if a Chinese national deciding to live in China after working abroad is really suspicious

[@SoCalFreelance]

What about Goldstein? HE was the inside threat actor working for China. Did Goldstein have connections to israeli intelligence? israel is currently in full charm offensive with China and probably willing to do anything to curry favor with them.

[@valmarsiglia]

He bought his one-way ticket in full compliance with all applicable laws. 😆

[@acmelka]

Remember the Japanese panic of the 1990's ... This isn't like that.

[@maxsmith8196]

The weirdest thing to me about this video, as a danish person, is that there are several buildings with over 15 floors relevant to this story.

[@jorgerivotti9858]

ahaha

[@shumstra]

I have, by chance, actually been to a meeting in one of Plesner's top floor conference rooms once, and it did indeed feel like a very non-Danish place to be in. (Great view though!)

[@peterknutsen3070]

Yup.

[@Bubajumba]

Can look across the whole country from the top

[@michaelstone3069]

It's an upright longhouse

[@ericpaulgoldie]

Australia has banned Huawei from taking contracts for infrastructure, due to similar security concerns

[@saxoleeskibye3923]

Pretty sure EU has done that too after cases in Poland, Denmark and several other countries like the one in the video.

[@raintreerefuge4679]

If only Chinese companies weren't corruption inducing parasites.

[@sugandesenuds6663]

the UK banned huawei hardware in critical infrastructure, like 25% of their 5G network needs to be swapped out.

[@Frivals]

You are speaking about the espionage that USA is going 24h/7days?

[@njiomonansichristianfreder6374]

Legitimately❗️

[@callapeony4784]

Something similar involving Huawei also happened in Indonesia. The minister of communication and information was arrested for corruption alongside at least one Huawei senior personnel.

[@jojoanggono3229]

Over the years Huawei has managed to edge out Nokia and Ericson as telco infra provider in Indonesia. What happened in Denmark surely was not an isolated case.

[@Frivals]

You are speaking about the espionage that USA is going 24h/7days?

[@jepulis6674]

@@jojoanggono3229 Nokia was so happy to do business in China. Did not realize their tech was to be stolen and rebranded.

[@BroadConcept]

The fact that Europe still deals with the company shows how asleep at the wheel they are about their future, just like what happened with Russian gas.

[@krishnar1182]

I'm somewhat shocked that Denmark didn't prosecute Lan or Goldstein.

[@johnjohnson-ss4vu]

that would be anti-semitic

[@Laotzu.Goldbug]

Oy vey

[@Keithjustkeithwastaken]

then you are not very bright

[@gts2550]

Because none of those things is a crime. Private law cases at best.

[@krishnar1182]

@@gts2550 i can’t speak to Danish law but in the US it would be. A bid amount is a trade secret and the conduct of Lan & Goldstein would have constituted violations of the Economic Espionage Act in the U.S.

[@MichaelGalt]

Far more interesting than I anticipated. Really revealing. A 200€ million deal... can really motivate malevolent actions.

[@grigorioschristodoulou5229]

It probably wasn’t even about the money. They want control over telecommunications networks. Huawei would probably even take the contract at a loss, but then it would be too obvious

[@tomclancy5147]

To me it seems that this was about more than money, they wanted to be part of that network.. they would happily have made a loss on it

[@zarathustra498]

200 million is not that much money considering that net profit would be only a fraction of that amount. A normal company wouldn't waste massive resources for spy operation like this. It is more about control and indirect benefits

[@Gdisawesome1]

More about data control then making a profit I believe

[@letsRegulateSociopaths]

the motivation was being able to snoop on all of the activity taking place over the 5G network...

[@emom358]

Seriously, this should be a series.

[@MarioGoatse]

Wow what an incredibly informative and interesting video. When you can’t even trust your own security team, you know you’re in DEEP!

[@nickthequick]

You trust any large Chinese corporation at your own peril.

[@undefined69695]

And now they want to sell ev in America LOL

[@HKim0072]

Large? Any Chinese company. All Chinese companies have cooperate with spying.

[@SLO722]

You do know you are saying this while the Americans are screwing you from behind, right?

[@mikeboate208]

don't be scared ,little boy .

[@louisd6410]

Meanwhile US gov spies unimpededly spying on allies citizens and gov

[@fartywood3917]

If they are doing this to a mobile operator, imagine the amount espionage going on in Huaweis competitors.

[@optimize.]

You could make an entire series about modern corporate espionage: the China Chronicles

[@AuxiliaryPanther]

I wrote a paper for college about engineering ethics in China, and Chinese companies suffer from IP theft and the likes from other Chinese conpanies more than any other country. It's the thing to do there.

[@Nightman-eb8mj]

Why just China, you think the CIA has no access to your data? All of the modern chips have a backdoor access to them. And the current world government hates you more than China does.

[@Frivals]

You are speaking about the espionage that USA is going 24h/7days?

[@letsRegulateSociopaths]

starting back when they stole hydrogen bomb and neutron bomb tech from the U.S,

[@sharpasacueball]

​@@AuxiliaryPantherDoesn't surprise me one bit

[@patrik5123]

It's amazing that Huawei isn't banned in all of the western world.

[@bzdtemp]

Well, by that standard it is questionable why anyone does business with US companies. Look up ECHELON and the EU for some more background.

[@patrik5123]

​@@bzdtemp I know about Echelon. Plenty. However there is one fundamental difference; The US has a society based on (at least some) democratic principles. China does not.

[@bzdtemp]

@@patrik5123 Agree. Only for those European companies where US espionage allowed US companies to win contracts and more, it likely didn't make a difference who cheated them. Now the big picture is something else, which should of course not be ignored and it isn't.

[@gilgameshur5366]

Yeah. Lets drug Them With mcd and cola

[@StanleyKubick1]

@@patrik5123 so they should be allowed to monitor citizens of sovereign allied countries?

[@GimmieJimmie]

Thanks for getting someone with a Chinese accent to read Huawei’s statement which is in English. It really added to the immersion

[@dsadsadsadsadsa177]

What happened to all of the 20+ minute episodes you guys used to release on topics like this? 8 minutes feel so hilariously short now

[@eustab.anas-mann9510]

This. Also as if Intel and Google are any better than Huawei LOL

[@undefined69695]

They are better, purely motivated by money which is predictable instead of doing the bidding of an adversarial government.

[@davidmin3583]

Because they don't have enough material to support this high accusation. It's literally two bloomberg journalists having a chat about allegations from anonymous sources.

[@MayorSom]

@@undefined69695 surely you’re gullible enough to believe that they won’t succumb to state demand and open 🚪 😂😂

[@3s0t3r1c]

@@eustab.anas-mann9510 LOL, yes they are better. There is no place for chinese high tech in EU or US.

[@skiandcomment]

I wonder why the Chinese feel safe doing these crimes everywhere they go? Maybe because there aren’t repercussions?

[@adisproject]

Everyone does espionage. Americans destroyed Renault Contracts thanks to their spying.

[@dr6377]

Why would they fear repercussions? They are backed and encouraged by the CCP. There werent any actual repercussions in this case aswell, except Huawei losing the deal (which they wouldve lost anyway)

[@Itssmial_Ova]

Because the world is now addicted to cheap Chinese goods. All apart of the plan.

[@flyingeaglealb]

@@Itssmial_Ovawhy china was allowed to be chosen not somwhere else india or indonesia but not near Türkiye 🇹🇷 ? Why china

[@Itssmial_Ova]

@@flyingeaglealb It's happening today lol

[@marcusthelegend]

To see this happening in your own backyard is crazy... Sure I live pretty far away on Bornholm, and even with all the things happening on and around this tiny island is a lot, seeing it in mainland Denmark kinda terrifies me...

[@icecube3645]

This is a disinformation and smear campaign, don't believe everything on the internet

[@krsubramanian6637]

I am so glad Indian government blacklisted Tiktok and Huawei. This is scary !

[@papagen00]

well india and china never got along anyway.

[@its1374]

Well, india just robbed xiaomi. So no one's want to invest in India.

[@apoch4092]

Wow Espionage is still a serious business.

[@lwwells]

always has been

[@Lukasaske]

Watching this on my Huawei phone added yet another layer of paranoia.

[@Tehrawrzorz]

I couldn't see it on my Huawei phone. I only came across it on my pc.

[@happynelli-k9h]

Was für einen wunderbare Hollywood Story von Bloomberg !!! Eine echte Krimivorlage !!! Bin gespannt wann diese Mär verfilmt wird !!!

[@invertedv12powerhouse77]

You guys should do the downfall of Norton in canada... when their college was sold, they found the entire building was bugged

[@Look_What_You_Did]

Citation needed.

[@Saltience]

Isn’t it called Nortel?

[@invertedv12powerhouse77]

@@Saltience maybe. It's quite far back in my memory

[@udirt]

would make more sense if it was around telco industry. nortel were snobs though, which also cost them a lot. and i'm afraid they had Carly Fiorana syndrome even before any china syndrome. @@invertedv12powerhouse77

[@marjorieMuller-yr4gs]

Danke für die Berichte!!,👍👍👍

[@redroyce4590]

Yup no punishment, classic reality

[@tomo1168]

and the chinase gov. openly blackmailed the danish without consequence.

[@davidmin3583]

It's almost as if there's no enough reliable evidence to support a court case

[@martinrotvig]

@@davidmin3583no, there are too many Danish and European companies with subsidiaries in China. Any idiot knows that’s the reason, well except you 😂

[@josephkremer8935]

Bravo. Fantastic journalism.

[@novusregnum]

Wow, this was an incredible video, with even more incredible harrowing findings. I'm shocked

[@jaysparc]

How is Huawei not banned from bidding on anything after this?

[@SARUJAN5]

A movie should be made about this.

[@frederikmunkgaard6995]

Great story, many more people should know about..

[@johnsamuel1999]

They should make a movie or tv series on it

[@JonasPolsky]

wow the drone spying is the opening from William Gibson's "The Peripheral." crazy

[@MultiSciGeek]

I mean if this isn't a wake up call to stay away from Chinese firms, the idk what is.

[@Fj8282haha]

Hauwai is not a company close to state, every company is a state company if the supreme leader wants it in a second. 😂

[@Frivals]

You are speaking about the espionage that USA is going 24h/7days?

[@elafmohammed7329]

Turns out my 70yo librarian was a corporate espionage in her prime 😂

[@MrWaheedulHaque]

And now the Temu app is doing the same

[@LouisBackover]

This!!! 👆

[@HKim0072]

And Tiktok.

[@theofficialstig]

I would have never expected someone with the name "goldstein" to sell out for money

[@TheRightSide-2]

Wtf are these Chinese companies doing. I saw one similar case in the US.

[@Zero11_ss]

Many people have been warning for years but nobody wants to listen until its too late.

[@vonFisch]

China is a communist dictatorship and all chinese companies are required by law to colaborate with chinese goverment. Even if they (chinese companies, CEOs) don't want to, they have to. That's why no one should ever trust a chinese company

[@watsappenin2865]

Elon musk worlds richest man and still builds as state of the art tesla giga factory in china. Soon china will be cranking out tesla models with a slightly different badge

[@Razzy_D9111]

So no one got arrested? how is corporate espionage and stalking not ilegal? if its acknowledge that there were people and even a van in the process of doing that why no one followed up on that? Really disconcerting that even in a country as advanced in many areas as Denmark, Politics still rule over Law and Justice.

[@ArabianKnight63]

Take out a warrant for both Goldstein and jason, what they did guarrantees yrs in prison

[@martinrotvig]

Sure, we could do that, if we want to tank our own economy completely. It’s like when the US violates our airspace, or refuses to pay rent for their military bases as promised, or clean up their nuclear waste, we can complain a little, but if we try to get justice, we’ll be beaten to the ground economically. You have to pick your battles, at least if you want to win overall.

[@sblbb929]

Goldstein has dual citizenship so he can just retire to the beaches of Tel-aviv

[@carlos7mh]

Chinese corporations engaging in espionage is little league stuff. They should learn from American corporations and topple entire governments for profit

[@jesper.ordrup]

Even more crazy that he now is working in Telenor (another danish telecom)

[@Pants69]

Telenor is Norwegian

[@ganstabreakincity]

Care the bad acts of anyone but specially care the bad acts of an authoritarian regime.

[@Anolaana]

Sounds like a plot from the Borgen TV show!

[@joshuapatrick682]

The real power players in the world today are the Mega Corps, and its only going to get worse. Benito Mussolini said “fascism should more correctly be called corporatism, because it is the perfect merger of state and corporate power” well that fairly accurately describes our current environment in the west, where corps have carte blanche and effective immunity to employ these tactics.

[@mohammedabbas6251]

Wow ! A Zionist was involved here as well...

[@OmmerSyssel]

Wow! As if religious fanatics and racists are worth counting on ... 🤡

[@vuufke4327]

Gotta respect the hustle tho

[@killandy01]

Facts

[@akamal92]

No

[@vuufke4327]

@@akamal92 you don't get the grindset homes

[@polaris911]

what is TDC? They never actually say what TDC is in the video.

[@HenningVestergaardPoulsen]

It is a telecommunications provider (telephone/tv/internet) in Denmark. It used to be the national monopoly telephone company and is now the biggest telco in Denmark.

[@dan-bz7dz]

I'm Swedish and Ericsson is a Swedish company. They have been involved in numerous bribery scandals as well. They paid millions in fines in the US. They've been accused of bribery in China as well. And even for paying protection money to ISIS in Iraq and Al-Qaida in Afghanistan. Business as usual I guess.

[@noname-gr9yn]

no big corporation will be innocent,,,

[@BeedrillYanyan]

No, you obviously aren't Swedish. Your account is suspicioualy 5mo old. In all likelihood, you're 50 cent army.

[@OmmerSyssel]

You are lying. Everyone learns that Swedes are moral superior and most certainly don't play foul games. 😇

[@alexandrossideris4790]

Big Tech companies in the US are not collaborating with NSA, CIA, ?

[@singinglion82]

Fascinating stuff

[@martinebon4333]

Why am I not surprised.

[@ENovaM]

GOLDSTEIN HMmmmm Big Thinkie...

[@Canleaf08]

Remember kids, switch off your Alexas and leave your boardrooms tidy, work desks without notes... If you can't, close the window blinds and switch off the light.

[@Petrikohr]

2:02 Off topic, but the background music here reminds me of Factorio's soundtrack

[@michelecesaro3911]

It has happened the same in italy...and i bealive also elsewhere

[@hamtsammich]

Is it just me, or does this loop the beat to "The Eyeball Kid" by Tom Waits at points?

[@Habakuk-h4b]

We do Need James Bond!

[@jamespark4268]

You shouldn't do anything with Chinese...period.

[@siddharthjain911]

insane so well made

[@designedbybold]

Goldstein? Backstabbing? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[@explodingmonad4535]

2:58 that some kind of Amiga home computer?!

[@dogshake]

It was Amir, he had an in with Copenhagen!

[@herres050]

Very interesting

[@nakulsridhar6924]

They way the voice when you read the Huawei letter at last. You changed the voice to a Chinese lady reading English 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@daniellovestodance]

This will be a great Netflix movie

[@shivmohan99681]

Why Chinese are doing espionage everywhere?

[@HKim0072]

All Chinese companies have obligations to the CCP and thus the PLA. It’s written into their national security law.

[@NVIDIAGeekify]

Don't be so gullible, it's not just China. US knows more than China can even imagine

[@letsRegulateSociopaths]

that is the only thing they have.

[@aroundandround]

Worth asking if it’s a bug or a feature for Huawei to spy and figure out Ericsson’s bid before the decision.

[@mikeboate208]

Ericsson’s spies were doing what ?

[@BR7AVEONE]

And ? It's an common practice. Same like US spying on the German GOV, or it's the same practice in Car industry.

[@sblbb929]

"... so stop talking about it bloomberg!!!" Is that your message here? Stop talking about espionage because other cases exist. But you only know of them because people talked about it, right?

[@lordtherapeutics]

It wasn’t clever to leave the paperwork open on the desks overnight was it?

[@scarffracker1918]

If a Chinese company said they did nothing wrong, you can absolutely believe them. /sarcasm

[@scarffracker1918]

@jacekmakes Any for-profit company cannot be trusted to put ethical behavior ahead of profits. There are plenty of examples of American companies that are similarly morally bankrupt. I'm not familiar with the intricacies of American and Chinese law but my gut tells me the Americans probably have more robust protections against bad behavior than the Chinese do.

[@Atipat12]

AWESOME 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎

[@tylerorr3851]

Did anyone notice the factrio music at 2:18?

[@InvisageStudios]

Plot twist: Ericsson deployed the drones and bugs to make TDC believe Huawei was in fact spying.

[@L1feHasN0Mean1ng]

why does old mate in the thumbnail look like he is standing at the GE

[@stuntmotomoto]

Ericsson should get better at reading people. They never should have hired Dov Goldstein.

[@ahsanmohammed1]

Too short. Hardly any details explanations.

[@geneawisea2708]

It’s all about “Unrestricted Warfare”

[@seattlebeard]

Are there any large Chinese companies not closely connected to the central government?

[@mnrrobinmoens1998]

late response, but the Chinese law basically makes it so that the government has a backdoor into every company. So if a Chinese official comes to your company and requests them to give customer data from lets say Europe or the US. they can't say no.

[@Qmpz85]

Goldstein? You don't say.

[@JesperKrogSlot]

Dov Goldstein now works for Telenor.....

[@sebastians7670]

great

[@mortenfrosthansen84]

The hole of chinese spionage (and russian for that matter) is so deeper, than everyone expect.. They've got their hands on so many different projects, everywhere in the world. Especially Africa and South America, is the new market for China.. and their influence and manipulation

[@mortenfrosthansen84]

@CyrusDM stay on subject, and please provide something substantial

[@BeedrillYanyan]

​@CyrusDMwhataboutism, as if the US is on the same scale as China.

[@mattykeys]

this thumbnail looks like the grand exchange

[@ft6637]

ah, yes.... watching this on a Huawei smartphone 🙈😂😂

[@jackmcinerney1030]

More annoying than the espionage is the fact nobody can say Huawei correctly

[@JoeShmo4]

corporate espionage is funny because it all relies on the presumption that corporations should be playing by the rules. its such a naive pretense. Honestly just feels like anti-china fear mongering.

[@KayAteChef]

What you are saying is... We shouldn't even try to police it so let's allow this state actor to bully us. I wonder what affects your views.

[@OmmerSyssel]

Wumao? 👀

[@AP-do6sv]

Feeling nervous with a bunch of Chinese phones in my hand

[@badasskurt]

Random question: where have I heard that song that starts at around the 2:00 min mark? Is it a video game?

[@sblbb929]

I don't know the specific song. But the instrument is a 'Handpan' or 'steel drum' Most melodies on this instrument sound extremly similair to me

[@nooddles12]

Randy Marsh was right.

[@RaviKiran-lx2kw]

Do any investigation into American oil companies.. What they did in Africa, Iraq and Syria..

[@Captain_Beemo_]

So Mr Robot was literally real

[@alvinchua5211]

It’s “Huawei” NOT “Wawei”, why are so many Americans so lousy at phonics?

[@raphael9256]

Thank you, my next phone will be hauwei

[@kensaiix]

asking out of sheer curiosity, did the above vid influence your decision? and if yes, how?

[@touchofgrey5372]

Dov Goldstein: say no more! ! !🤣🤣🤣

[@Luca-tw9fk]

why it look like she standing at the GE in the thumbnail?

[@santamariamarvy]

Well? The US warned you years ago. You didn't listen. you deserve that .

[@dannybourne_]

Boycott *Huawei* !