BMW 1-series M vs Porsche Cayman R video review

[@DreamCarGarage1]

1 series M coupe all the way for me. It reminds me of the e30 bmw 325 my mate owned back in the late 80's that really got me excited about driving. It's squat and muscular. For me the best M car to date!

[@DumpValvesAndDnB]

The cayman R has been regarded by many road car reviewers, and racing drivers alike as "the best handling road car i have ever driven." not cornering speed, grip or power but HANDLING, this is important! however, the same road testers love the 1M, and although it may not be quite as composed as the cayman, as a package, it has it licked in terms of daily use. buyers discretion could only decide the better of these 2 cars. both awesome in their own right. but i'd have the porsche ;)

[@jorehaast9887]

Handling is corner speed and grip lol

[@JETZcorp]

I don't care which one is actually better, I know which one I want. It starts with a "P" and ends with an "orsche." Cars like this aren't bought for numbers, they're bought because they do something special for you inside. The Porsche does that for me (as do almost all Porsches) and the BMW doesn't. The fact that the Porsche is better makes it all the better.

[@fctsui57]

@radar3699 Have you driven the Cayman R yet?? I have both and the Cayman R with PDK just out run, out handle and out corner the M1. The M1 is more comfortable and with much more luxury interior design than the Cayman R.

[@993mike]

While I do love M cars and have an e92 M3 street car and a fully track prep'd '95 e36 M3, the Cayman R handling is just so magic right out of the box. I've only had one for a month, but a mountain drive in it is pure joy. With a few small planned modifications it should make a great track day car. The 1M and the R are both terrific - we are all fortunate to have so many great enthusiast cars available today at so many price levels.

[@Alert64]

The 1M is really (really!) fast in a straight line, but on a twisty road in the wet you cannot push it too hard in the real world because it does not instill confidence in those conditions. There is more to a fast car than drifting, unfortunately much of the press evaluates these cars on how much fun you can have in controlled private conditions not in the real world on a wet road with pot holes which is just about the common case in the UK.

[@RTree613]

can't go wrong with a TT straight 6 and ///M specs

[@stevensmith4213]

Thank you sir for your comment. People on KZbin do get worked up about silly things sometimes. These days you may as well just watch videos and rarely read comments as many of them are deal breakers....and yes, they are two great cars:-)

[@vja352]

Easier said than done. It is not always about the power to weight ratio, it is about proper weight distribution. That is what gives a car proper handling. So far Porsche had been able to do the handling part seamlessly.

[@Zircemerald]

The huge plus for the Cayman R is that you can actually buy them, as all the 1Ms to be produced have been purchased already.

[@nillchen]

funny how people get all worked up about which is the better of those fantastic cars. I own a Cayman S and I love it, but would also consider driving an 1M because it's got more space and is very fast.

[@jcbferrari]

@Mikedelike corrent me if im wrong, 4.9s for the 1-series M and 5.0s for the cyman R respectively.

[@9inchNirvana]

@marpetpet I'm afraid you didn't answer my question. How did they pronounce it on the Porsche advertisement?

[@ojoaoflores]

@zmaster007 I agree with you, the cars are very different but maybe they are comparing them because they are close in terms of pricing.

[@sodazman]

@rock3tcat The DSG gearbox is much much quicker than any manual gearbox. But when it comes to driving pleasure, nothing beats a manual.

[@luedriver]

@zmaster007 maybe its because they both have turbos 6 cylinders and 2 un-usable seats at the back...?

[@localfishinghole]

@rock3tcat Couldn't agree with you more. A manual makes you pay more attention, you can stick in the gear you want around a corner and feather the clutch, throttle, and brakes to make it fly on the exit. I'm sure there are good points to a DSG but I just haven't seen them. Give me a good manual and I will be happy, I think I would be bored in anything else.

[@mitchbennett0]

@HyperbirdF6 Well I guess this review was more about the feel of the cars rather than the stats. You can always find stats online. He did mention the BHP of the BMW if that's any interest to you lol

[@mitchbennett0]

@HyperbirdF6 dude, there was two cars. What specs do you want to know about?

[@shivekr4823]

Don't know what everyone is complaining about. I was briefly cross-shopping both cars. The Cayman is a sports car benchmark, so they compare cars that have sporting intentions (if not out-and-out sports cars) to it all the time. The point is that if they get close to the Cayman in terms of driving pleasure but offer added practicality, they're good cars. As is the case here. However, if you were choosing your SECOND car, then the Cayman R is the obvious choice.

[@fctsui57]

@BI2016 You are absolutely right. It is no big deal owning a BMW and a Cayman R in the United States. I think if I am living in Hong Kong or anywhere in Asia, I probably can't afford them. We are lucky living in the United States, you don't need to be rich to drive great automobiles. A friend of mine, he is working in Oracle, he has two Lamborghini (Diablo and LP640) one Aston Martin DB9 and a Vipier.

[@seanisagamer]

@RoadTerrorist I'm not sure why you would possibly think those two cars are a proper comparison. The Rs3 is going to be slower then the 1m, the TT RS is an M3 competitor and is slower as well.

[@FloridaRaider]

have been looking for these car comparison. thank you

[@mike3612]

They really need to throw the cars around more, it makes the reviews so much better.

[@TheEryk03]

@zmaster007 not RS3 but TT RS... coupe to coupe. right?

[@HyperbirdF6]

@mitchbennett0 0-60 time of bmw, its engine size and number of cylinders would have been nice because i thought this would be interesting to know about for a car like this.

[@yassirbelarabi1686]

Bmw and Porsche are the Masters.. you cant pick one !

[@sertacsaglar5240]

damn right

[@charleslu7044]

Get both?

[@Anthony-qh1xv]

good point! This time? BMW.

[@ethosflux]

12k difference in price though, this really isn't that fair a comparsion. Considering the modding potential of the 1M's power plant and well... I think i'd take the 1M if any dealers had any to sell me :)

[@Champsterz]

this video is very helpful for me thanks. About to buy a used 1M.

[@taylor1212eminem]

+Chinaman Champ buy a persh

[@pmrrmm]

what do you drive? a kia?

[@soulshinobi]

They still have this 80's theme music?

[@joshthemoss]

@sultanabran1 I think he's referring to the X5 and X6 M's

[@markthilen4953]

The only difference in practicality here is the number of seats. My father owns a cayman r so I am a bit biased, but the trunk space in the cayman is actually larger than the 1m.

[@netweed09]

nice but no lap-times?

[@xsnipersgox]

@EYE50MM I think. Scary means, the car is twitchy, Precise means easy to drive. Think S2000 and RX8 respectively. both can be driven fast, but RX8 does it much easier (not as fast as S2000)

[@firkyfoodling]

@TheRighteous123 I own a Cayman S and the boots are surprisingly big, I'd say bigger than most hatchbacks - you've got one in the front that a person could sit in, and one at the back that could happily take a suitcase or two. I take your point though, 2 more seats and £12,000 is probably enough to push most people towards the 1M.

[@localfishinghole]

@spiraO7 The 458 is one of the finest looking Ferraris ever made, good choice. I saw one the other day in dark metallic gray, absolutely beautiful. So tell me honestly though, GT3 or 458, which do you like more and why?

[@Xboxracer1]

@jamiebridges123 He probably thought about the X series, X6M etc, which imho are great cars. But M cars used to be derived from race cars, there are no X3 X5 X6 race cars so I kinda agree.

[@ben10TG]

How about the BMW 1M vs Every single hatchback on the market?

[@Guy_de_Loimbard]

@toeboe106 - problem is, cars that rev their nuts off at sufficient RPMs to make decent power are getting harder to get past the various emissions around the globe. That's why many manufacturers, including BMW, are migrating from high-revving engines to turbocharging to get more power.

[@the26thhour]

Wow look at that, a Beemer that hasn't made me want to hurl since the early 90's & I grew up loving both these cars (I'm now 40)

[@zmaster007]

@MarMPB If all goes to plan an 'old' Z4m will be next car, love how raw it is.

[@coolerdude44]

@rock3tcat no, i absolutely understand why automatics are being favored in the top end exotics like lamborghinis and ferraris. at that price, what matters most is technology and speed. a dsg can go around a track like the nurburgring literally as much as 10-12 seconds faster than a manual alternative. however, that being said, cars like BMW M should always be offered with at least the option of a manual, because i feel that cars like this are more for driver enjoyment than stats.

[@petrolhead229]

@Turbulence654321 I see your point, but it really isn't relative here. I would understand if the cars were £200,000 or something, but £12,000 is 33% more than the 1M asking price, and what do you get for that? Slightly better chassis, slightly better steering, but less gear and slower straight line speed? Seriously doesn't add up here.

[@EYE50MM]

The 1 ///M simply a delight to see in motion. It is really subjective to driving styles when choosing between the 2. I think that for BMW drivers that drive hard and like their fun RAW the 1 ///M is the obvious choice. Not that we aren't or can't be delicate, we don't want to be precisely refined. I'm a hooligan when I get behind the wheel, I don't want things to be lovely and graceful like the Cayman R, that isn't how I get my kicks. I need it to be rough and brutal like the 1///M.

[@sandy28121990]

@rock3tcat You know whats sad? you say this now but there's a total of maybe 3 or so manual supercars (500+bhp) in the market today. Noble m600, porsche 911, corvette zr1, last dealer model vipers. i'm out. can you think of any others?

[@iXchani91]

Hmmm, even though I'm not really a fan of the design of the Cayman (don't really like the 1M either though), I think I'd still choose that, I think it's a lot more nimble and more fun to drive. The 1M looks heavy just looking at it, I think it's stupid that BMW keeps comparing it with the E30 M3.

[@ruskeee]

the color scheme on that porsche makes it look like a damn hybrid

[@JoTokutora]

And the 1m is faster and more fun. And retaining better value than the cayman R, which is slow

[@anotherone10]

For an M car, 40k is pretty cheap. The 1 M is great value, oh and it looks badass too ;)

[@danthemanpatrick]

there's not really any losers in this comparo, really. and those moving burn-outs are awesome, by the way. Gotta love Scotland

[@Molo9000]

Might have made more sense to compare it to the similarly priced entry level Cayman.

[@jaytmtb]

The BMW would be my choice, beautiful.

[@CarsUncovered]

There is also a new Cayman coming out so I can't wait to see how they stack up! =)

[@carcrazzy247]

So would you rather have a cayman r, or for the same price, the 1m and the e30 m3... ill take the BMW's please!

[@cardude1992]

shouldve compared it with cayman s. the cayman r is alot more track focused.

[@jcadlols]

@NLS87 I agree with most of your argument, however Porsches are pretty reliable.

[@Molo9000]

@marpetpet There is a difference between mispronouncing the c in Mercedes (which is done by Mercedes-Benz themselves and actually closer to the original Spanish name) and leaving out an entire syllable. I wonder how Italians feel about how most English speaking people say "Lancia".

[@RenaultSport133]

@RoadTerrorist I wouldnt agree on that , any M car is in a complete different league than , for example , RS3 or TT RS , both great cars , but cant match Porsche or BMW in therms of handling or driving experience..

[@ILoveBarcaNumberOne]

But the less cost should play a massive factor

[@mahamza86]

I think both cars follow different philosophy. Cayman is the track kind and BMW is the raw Road Fun type. BMW has 2+2 seats and is clearly design with sideways fun in mind. Cayman S is pure track machine. In other words they are like apples and oranges

why can't BMW build a Porsche beater sports car? it is due to a lack of engineering talent? I know it is not due lack of $$$..

[@danielwillett7164]

mid-engine..Can't beat that feeling.

[@tylerhilligoss]

@ autocar -- I don't watch many of your videos but here is a little constructive criticism that I think most will agree with: don't compare a MR car that you wouldn't see on anything less than a sunny summer day with a luxury sport coup designed for those that want a great daily driver that they can take to the track on the weekends. Those two cars are in completely different genres, I don't know why you compared them.

[@MarMPB]

@zmaster007 Nice! You'll like it a lot, I'm sure! It's a blast. In fact, if I sell it in the future, I'll be looking for a Corvette Z07 or something like that.

[@EYE50MM]

@xsnipersgox I suppose you can interpret "SCARY" as twitchy, if, I don't know why you would but I guess you can think that. No where in the video does he say the 1 ///M does unexpected SCARY things he just says it doesn't perform maneuvers as graceful and "LOVELY" as the swan like Cayman R. But that is the thing, It is a different animal altogether and it takes a different type of driver to enjoy what it has to offer. It takes more skill and work to drive RAW SCARY cars like the 1///M.Subjective

[@luedriver]

@4spdk sorry, I didn't know that... don't know much about porches, thought it would've been like any 911...

[@hunghuge12]

@coolerdude44 So you're saying people who buy Lamborghini or Ferrari are only interested in lap times? When I'm buying an exotic I want something that I enjoy driving and as good as the latest dsg's are they don't involve you like a manual. The only reason I never owned an M3 CSL was no manual option. Auto's are great for bragging numbers or if you're too lazy to shift but they're shit for enjoyment.

[@MarMPB]

@zmaster007 I agree! The 1M was recently compared to the RS3 in the UK's car magazine(may 11) but it lost too. Well, I have "old" 2007 Z4M Coupe with GruppeM CAI and Supersprint Race exhaust and I LOVE it!!!!!

[@K20ej88]

A FR sports coupe vs a MR sports car...gotta ask "why?"

[@nabslp670]

@sandy28121990 ZO6, aston martin, Gallardo, R8, most of them. Only Ferrari and Mercedes don't offer manuals somewhere in their lineup.

[@Augustus222]

@drmkkk In what way ?! The Cayman is a Boxster with a proper roof.

[@darkjedi8]

I would have to go with the bmw.

[@twoeggcups]

@mike3612 driving fast isn't about going sideways.

[@Georgeofthejungle777]

That's not a fair comparison for the bmw! the direct competitor of the 1 M is the TTrs...

[@2goodnot2tube]

Is this Cayman R the de-tuned UK version? In the Autocar magazine of 25th May, this Cayman is listed as having 228 g/km CO2. This is strange because the UK spec car only has 221 g/km CO2. To lower the emissions Porsche have replaced the throttle cable with a piece of elastic. I should know, I drive one. Its detail like this that make reviews like this utter tosh. Beware, because what you see is not what you get.

[@TheMaurob1979]

@TheEryk03 i agree, the 5 cylinder sound of a tt rs or rs3 is awesome , more more better than the bmw m1, is very near to the s1 audi of group b cars

[@jvanegas14]

@PS2Gameplays they're only producing 1500 of them...all have been sold out.

[@TravisConover]

The BMW is 1,000 times better looking. its quicker. and the Porsche lime green and pretentious. That Porsche actually made me sick looking at it. The BM is easily the hands down choice for a proper driver. Manual trans, classy, rear wheel, and really just has the feel that you can get from a real mans car

[@MagicAyrtonforever]

Wrong.. Cayman in the flesh pisses all over the W car.. And judging a car on it's colour ... Hahaha!

[@IrishDub18]

ehhh the question noone seems to ask is why are they comparing a cayman to a 1 series. here in ireland a 2011 cayman is 85k and a 1 series is 30k. there is a 50000 price difference for gods sake.

[@rowsdower12]

I just love the scenery they test some of these cars. Yes I know, shouldn't be focusing on the scenery, I love both (cars and scenery). I'd take both but probably the 1M as far as this comparo goes.

[@Veyronp87]

@afyaff oh, so 5 inch wheel arch extensions and 20 inch wheels and gaping air vents are beautiful? wow....

[@xexas3000]

How about the BMW 1M against the audi RS3? i want to see that :)

[@danmurphy1994]

I love Porsche BMW. I don't like auto critics however because they are always going side with those two automakers. Yes, they are probably the best overall but whenever theres a side-by-side comparison that involves either Porsche or BMW, ONE ALWAYS WINS. I've never seen a BMW or a porsche lose any kind of comparison. When it comes to sports cars it's mostly to do with preference, which can't guide a review but still should have some bearing on a review as opposed to 100% stats.

[@niesciszalny]

@zmaster007 its not compare! It shows that BMW M1 is fast auto but not enough to be on the same level with Porsche Cayman R

[@Wiggsser]

They are both simply perfect ...

[@rclru]

@rock3tcat If I'm behind the wheel of a 458 or Aventador, I wouldn't be concerned with the paddle shifters....

[@toeboe106]

He mentioned the original M3 and I think if BMW want to make a real drivers car that will drive as well as a Cayman,they should get rid of that heavy 6 pot motor ,great as it is ,and design a manic 4 cylinder that just wants to rev it's nuts off.Coz the biggest problem the BMW has is weight(don't we all!!)

[@ThePhan7em]

@thestoryteller612 you think not? I sure as hell do. Its also better looking then both, IN MY OPINION.

[@SammyJ21]

I'd rather the RS3 to be honest, nice and safe with the 4 wheel drive, better looking, faster, more economical and a nicer interior.... Just my opinion

[@Nhartl206]

@9inchNirvana it is pronounced PorschE ... and in German the E is pronounced similar to first letter of effective or elephant ... I am German, so I guess I know ;-) btw... Mercedes is a spanish first name :-)...

[@ThePhan7em]

The TTRS with have them both. Oh, and so will the RS3

[@roydied15]

the Bimmer sounds better, looks better, costs less, is faster in a line, and actually comes with SOME luxury. ill have the 1M please.

[@BimmerM5e39]

It's Wheeler Dealers "Mike Brewer"

[@PepegaPig]

I don't get it at the beginning, saying BMW haven't made cars worthy of the M Badge...sorry, whats wrong with the M3,M5 and M6? all are great cars. and yeah I agree it's silly to compare with the cayman, ttrs and rs3 would indeed be much better comparisons...this is like comparing a Golf GTI to a Boxter

[@Xyrophobia]

I want to see a BMW 1M VS the Audi TT RS

[@robnelsonbayvillage]

I loved my M3, E36. Ran 10 sets of tires thru it via track days and racked up 137,000 miles. My Boxster (2.7L) now has 68,000 miles and it has been flawless. I do love having two trunks for hidden storage that the Boxster/Cayman design offers. After two cars being broken into (both in England), I like the stealthy storage bins of the mid-engined Porsche strategy. If I buy a new car, I will stay with the Porsche.

[@chaloo212mx]

Just don't mess with Porsche

[@ottooke007]

@zmaster007 BMW's rivals are Lada, Daihatsu, Honda, Toyota, my bicycle, Fiat...

[@mitchbennett0]

@TheEryk03 that's quite a bold and redundant statement.

[@mitchbennett0]

@HyperbirdF6 Did you watch the video?