BMW F30 N20 TIMING CHAIN GUIDE PRONE TO BREAKING???

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[@ericcantona8644]

My BMW got DESTROYED by this! BMW X3 2013, 130,000km, I bought new. my car lost power on road, towed to the bmw dealer, after spend $800 inspection, it was timing chain issue and plastic guide broke to pieces, the engine got destroyed. The dealer quote me $21000CAD+tax to replace new engine. However after submit all service record (third party shop), BMW agree to pay half of the cost. I am still shocked since the car is less 6 years old with moderate mileage. So I did some research, and found that I am not the only case. Seems like BMW knows this issue well, but refuse to recall or take responsibility. Some people have the group lawsuit against BMW, just search BWM N20 engine class action. So if you have this engine and more than 100,000km, take this issue seriously, or it will cost you a leg!

[@ThicWhips]

Yessir this is exactly why I’m taking care of it now!! Thank you for commenting

[@nylens471]

Hi is there any noise or warning that you got from your engine before it blew?

[@davidjacobs8558]

2013 BMW X3 with 130000km is worth about $10000 US. I would not bother fixing that car.

[@Benny-zo3qh]

What did you end up doing?

[@ricardoikari]

So you recommend buying x1 n20 with 101.000km or 150.000km?

[@rambo4war]

My 2013 328i xdrive has 135k miles on it. It has only received routine scheduled service throughout its life and zero maintenance. I drive the heck out of it. Sport +/eco in the city; eco on the highway with RPMS Under 2k on a 20 minute commute. And I monitor boost pressure and keep it around 12 PSI. But it runs strong and like new... The engine is rated at 300k kilometers so I’m guessing once I approach 176,000 miles it is time for a 360 degree service; water pump, timing chain, etc. but my plan is to drive it until the computer tells me something breaks..... living on the edge ;)

[@louiss3781]

Damn my heart broke when you said November 2013 cuz my car was manufactured in May 2013 😭 Just bought this car few weeks ago with 58k miles on it, no issues at all at the moment but looking into getting all the maintenance done soon.

[@joespittle1]

From what I've heard the new guides came in early 2015

[@esteemedenergy]

I did my 2013 N26 at 105k miles as I was scared as I drive it hard. Glad I did as 3 of the 4 tabs on the plastic were broken. No noise or other strange symptom. I always turned of A.S.S and changed my oil at every 5k miles. Took me 23 hours.

[@master-hx7gw]

did you have any plastic pieces in the oil pump inlet?

[@ottomobili2575]

After blowing my engine and having gone through this whole fiasco with BMW NA I don’t think there will be end to this problem, especially as inventory of n20/n26’s hit the used market. However, as we learned with Porsche and IMS Failures the industry has never held manufacturers fully accountable! Hopefully we see this issue brought to light in the courts

[@ThicWhips]

After seeing your video man, that made me dive into more research!

[@ottomobili2575]

Thic F30 you hit the nail on the head though! Lot of good info floating around. It’s a shame, I believe the demographic of people that buy these cars in the $10k-15k range are going to be the same ones that neglect frequent oil changes and engine monitoring, subsequently they’ll be the same group who experience a higher probability of engine loss. See this a lot with e60 M5’s at the Used Car Dealers in Urban Markets. Guys buy them for 12-15k trying to flex and don’t realize they’re gonna have a $7K SMG pump repair a few months later!

[@ThicWhips]

My thoughts exactly. Buy them cheap but you’ll pay down the road!

[@sranjesuper]

@@ottomobili2575 Not really. The real reason they break, is because they are designed to break Junk, absolute junk BMW is garbage. All mechanics used to think it was shit in the early 2000's, but now with the 2015+ its even bigger shit. It's such a big shit, that i don't even want to fix them anymore. All plastic, every hose is plastic. The coolant hoses have been breaking since early 2000's at the connection points where it is plastic. Let me ask you people... Do you think BMW is unaware of this issue? I had a 2017 330I come in today, and there was a coolant hose on the coolant reservoir, that broke off at the plastic junction and that hose led somewhere to the back of the engine, where it also broke off somehow. No way to see where the hose leads but it does lead underneath the intake manifold. To take the intake manifold off, it's a 5 hour job. on a car that has less than 100,000KM and is 2 to 3 years old. Yes, BMW is aware of their plastic garbage pipes, that always break, and yet they haven't done a thing to address it. In fact, they added more plastic pipes, and put the TIMING CHAIN in the back of the engine now on the new 2.0 and 3.0 engines since 2017, so now that even if you want to do it at home, you will need an ENGINE HOISE to take out your FUCKING ENGINE first. These companies are polluting the environment, creating garbage that will need to be fixed, with more garbage plastic parts. The governments are taxing the people, but what are these garbage companies liable for? They are the ones, choosing profit over environment, as they VERY WELL KNOW that if they made their GARBAGE parts out of rubber and aluminum, they would never leak, and wouldn't require to be fixed. Not to mention, that everything is always complex and for what reason? How much more MPG are you getting out of your BMW to justify the cost? It's not that the cars have 1 or 2 problems, they will have EVERY SINGLE problem that can happen, in ownership within 300,000km. Soon, they will make the pistons and engine block out of plastic too. These big companies need to be paying BIG taxes for their consistent garbage that forces people to repair things that shouldn't be breaking. How can they make a timing chain not last? BMW and Mercedes, and even Audi. They have been making chain engines since the inception of the engine, and somehow they can't get a timing chain to last? Why don't they make timing belts then? Timing belts don't require as much labour, and parts as a timing chain, that's why. Again, draining you dry. FUCK these globalist cock suckers

[@LenartoGarage]

Great video! I have a 2012 328i with full bolts ons, custom tune, and methanol injection. We are currently at 21psi and still going. I have 87,000 miles on the car now. I check the timing chain often, and she’s still going strong! I’ve done a good bit of research on the topic. Apparently only a subset of cars experience the issue. Disabling auto start stop and doing oil changes every 5k miles (or less) is suppose to help significantly. I’m still considering trying to diy it. I’ll make sure to do a video on the diy and upload it to my channel if I end up doing it!

[@ThicWhips]

Keep me posted, I’d love to see that 👌🏽

[@LenartoGarage]

Will do man! I need to do a better job getting videos of all of the work I’m doing on it 😂. The mod bug has bitten me hard!

[@xHamfistedx]

Yes, upgrading the tensioner to the newer version ( p/n 11318685091 - relocated oil port and much stiffer spring...) and disabling the auto stop/start feature (causes oil starvation...) will greatly enhance the life of your timing chain and N20/N26 motor.

[@stevengomez8967]

xHamfistedx so replacing that part alone will extend the life of the timing chain. I have a 2012 328i with 112K miles. No timing chain issues at all. But trying to be preventive. I got it as a CPO in 2015. I wonder if they replaced the timing chain during the CPO. Maybe not it only had 23,000 miles when I got it. Any info is appreciated, thank you.

[@robfolks]

Its been 2 yrs.....Has your timing chain broke yet?

[@stanleysi2312]

Planning to get mine changed. I have a 2012 f30 328. Car has about 110km on it now and everything is good. Still no whines. Never use auto start stop. Will get the timing chain, guide, oil pump chain, tensioner replaced with the latest parts. In Malaysia we are lucky that labor to do this isn't too bad

[@esteemedenergy]

Very reliable cars, albeit get the chain guide fixed if you have an early model. $650 in parts, 8 hrs in labor.

[@KiesMotorsports]

Good tip 👍🏼 if I still had mine, I’d get it done..

[@nglro]

My car (228i F22 with N20) is June 2015 and the chain moves like in the video. Car has 29.900km, so it was NOT fixed in 2013, there is a part listed on REAL OEM redesigned in 2016.09. Also, 4 other cars build in 2015 that I know from my local track had their engines blow up due to chain failure. It's why I checked mine.

[@nachogol171]

@nglro have you finally replaced the timing chain? Same car here. As of now no issues and the chain is pretty firm when checked it through the oil cap. I'm hiring the 24k miles now

[@sranjesuper]

@@nachogol171 Junk, absolute junk BMW is garbage. All mechanics used to think it was shit in the early 2000's, but now with the 2015+ its even bigger shit. It's such a big shit, that i don't even want to fix them anymore. All plastic, every hose is plastic. The coolant hoses have been breaking since early 2000's at the connection points where it is plastic. Let me ask you people... Do you think BMW is unaware of this issue? I had a 2017 330I come in today, and there was a coolant hose on the coolant reservoir, that broke off at the plastic junction and that hose led somewhere to the back of the engine, where it also broke off somehow. No way to see where the hose leads but it does lead underneath the intake manifold. To take the intake manifold off, it's a 5 hour job. on a car that has less than 100,000KM and is 2 to 3 years old. Yes, BMW is aware of their plastic garbage pipes, that always break, and yet they haven't done a thing to address it. In fact, they added more plastic pipes, and put the TIMING CHAIN in the back of the engine now on the new 2.0 and 3.0 engines since 2017, so now that even if you want to do it at home, you will need an ENGINE HOISE to take out your FUCKING ENGINE first. These companies are polluting the environment, creating garbage that will need to be fixed, with more garbage plastic parts. The governments are taxing the people, but what are these garbage companies liable for? They are the ones, choosing profit over environment, as they VERY WELL KNOW that if they made their GARBAGE parts out of rubber and aluminum, they would never leak, and wouldn't require to be fixed. Not to mention, that everything is always complex and for what reason? How much more MPG are you getting out of your BMW to justify the cost? It's not that the cars have 1 or 2 problems, they will have EVERY SINGLE problem that can happen, in ownership within 300,000km. Soon, they will make the pistons and engine block out of plastic too. These big companies need to be paying BIG taxes for their consistent garbage that forces people to repair things that shouldn't be breaking. How can they make a timing chain not last? BMW and Mercedes, and even Audi. They have been making chain engines since the inception of the engine, and somehow they can't get a timing chain to last? Why don't they make timing belts then? Timing belts don't require as much labour, and parts as a timing chain, that's why. Again, draining you dry. FUCK these globalist cock suckers

[@AK-tl2nm]

If in doubt do it or sell it. Mine failed and that was the end of the engine. It’s real.

[@hfl_comedyfrl561]

N20’s with a built date of 01/2015 and on have the updated components.

[@suavesimon7905]

How do I check my manufacturing date ?

[@schmo7777]

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[@eastendproperties399]

I have a late 2014 F30 318d. And the timing chain snapped at 72000 Miles. Full service history but by independent garage. I heard it's late 2015 that got the upgrade ( That's in the UK may be different in the states.. A new Engine from BMW cost £12450. Garage rebuild with owm parts £3800 in parts only plus labour around £2k😢. If you have this engine just sell the car now.

[@aakpawan]

I own a 2013 328i, 60,000km on it. My timing chain just broke last week. Towed to BMW Calgary, AB Canada. And they advised my car was covered under the extended warranty. Even gave me a loaner vehicle to go home with for free until my car is fixed.

[@ThicWhips]

oh wow! keep us posted, im hearing more and more of these stories

[@nylens471]

Did your engine give you any warnings? a noise or anything? Thanks

[@aakpawan]

No it didn't which is so surprising. It just died just like that!

[@aakpawan]

So my timing chain was replaced with a brand new one! For free covered under BMW warranty didn't pay anything from my pocket would have costed me $3700!

[@nylens471]

@@aakpawan oh god this is frightening. I'm 2 months out of the in-service date even though I'm under the mileage for the warranty.

[@m.harrison239]

Thanks for this video. I almost bought a 2012 and the dude hadn't replaced the timing chain on it. I don't want to risk it so I'll find one where either it's a later model or the person replaced the timing chain.

[@a2cryss]

I have heard this issue continues past 2013 all of the way to Feb 2015

[@MohamedTarek-qm3vf]

@thicf30 is this true ?

[@ThicWhips]

No idea. Mostly everything people say regarding this is hearsay and rumored. Mine was 2012 I never fixed it and it runs flawlessly to this day

[@adv.jangshersinghbhullar2052]

@@ThicWhips I’ve got the same model, same year, I was looking for your comment only as to whether u did anything to it or not. I got worried after watching this video, so tried doing a bit of research but still not sure what percentage of cars actually had this issue.

[@davidbarlow7955]

bmw ought to be sued for using a bicycle chain; i see people saying a updated chain will only last 100k miles

[@churchsfarms483]

I have a 2014 320i with 63k the production date was 2/14 should I be worried or is that the new tension chain design???

[@AK-tl2nm]

Mike Church I fought BMW for 4 months and they finally agreed to do it through ‘goodwill’. It’s possible but a full time assignment.

[@psp007]

My car F30 is an early UK registered 2012 328i n20. In August 2018 I had a loud whine from the engine suspected this to be the fault, the dealership diagnosed and confirmed the failure. Unfortunately as far as I’ve found, there is no recall in the UK for this issue, My car was outside of the manufactures warranty but by speaking to the dealership and BMW group I managed to get BMW to cover the cost of the parts as a “goodwill” gesture and I payed a reduced fee for the labour. This may be because the issue was found before the engine failed, I’m not sure how cooperative they would have been if my engine was ruined.

[@ThicWhips]

Interesting. This is the same resolution I’ve heard as well. Bmw is aware of the problem but is doing very little to help if your engine fails. From what I’ve heard, there is a class action lawsuit in the works

[@Jbmacrone]

I have a 2015 28i with a mfg. date of 8/14. I've had the car

[@davidbarlow7955]

ALSO I VE SEEN DATA THAT SHOWS THE UPDATED CHAIN AND GUIDES HAPPENED 2/15

[@costelariton9864]

Your right!

[@kex78]

Yea

[@machucast]

Thic, from my investigation, it is only cars AFTER 03\2015 that have the updated guides from factory. My car was built in 11\2014 and is part of the TC EW because it is using the outdated guides, otherwise my car would not be covered by the EW on the TC\guides.

[@ThicWhips]

Where did you read this? Link me

[@MrJdenney87]

Great informational video on probably the biggest issue that plagues our F30's. I do have question unrelated to the topic, but do you use a radar or laser detector and do you have any recommendations?

[@ThicWhips]

I don’t but I’ll be going with the valentine1

[@corey6928]

Mann I appreciate this video so much i got a 2014 328i and i was so scared i was going to have a bad timing chain issue. This video just gave me piece of mind. Im still goin to keep a eye on it just in case but I appreciate this video and love your videos

[@GP30277]

My BMW 2013 F30 was just destroyed by this with full service history and regular oil changes. Mileage 156,000 miles Why haven’t they recalled this as it’s a catastrophic failure

[@DrStealthify]

Igh bruh that’s on you 😂 this vids for ppl under 100k your supposed to have been done it bro

[@GP30277]

@@DrStealthify what a time for you to comment, it’s funny because I just won a civil case and claim against BMW for this issue...

[@shribabu4258]

I tried to bribe the BMW service writer and techs with a grand to warranty my 2013 with 55kmiles, but replacing the timing chain is such a pain, they didn't bite. I've had it running a BMS stage 1 tune, and never added mods since 35k because I'm always worried about when this motor grenades.

[@sranjesuper]

Add your mods back up, they don't make the chain go bad faster. Enjoy your bmw while it lasts for it's little expensive life.

[@JomptonCrew]

My f30 was made in 2013-6-11 I should be chillin right?

[@vybzwidtyngz]

Thank for the great video again bro ... Just keep them coming ... Wow now I have a problem to worry about because my f30 is a 2013 328ix but it was made in Aug 2012 ... I'm going to have my shop check it out

[@ThicWhips]

Good call

[@adamshariff7577]

Hi Toppa F30, do you have any update? How many kms is your F30?

[@Suldusk]

We do have an early 2012 F30 320i N20 engine that we got brand new. But it like has 70k kilometers on the clock and is female driven. Till now the car has been problem free with regular service intervals. it has a 10 year contract service from the dealership. Which includes brakes too. If anything goes wrong, definitely pointing the fingers at the stealership. The gov. Is very strict to dealerships thankfully😂

[@keyboard101101]

Husam Al-Balushi What does female driven have anything to do with it?

[@Suldusk]

ogkillla doesn’t respect the car. (Curbed rims, climbing over curbs cracked undertray, doesn’t heat the engine prior to driving fast etc)

[@johnadamczyk6213]

@@Suldusk hahahaha best reply ever

[@bikeninja956]

good video, picked up a 2012/2013 X1 in 2019....the N20 falls into this category :(... not sure what to do now...

[@simplenipple]

I have a late model 2013 328i with 150k miles... Lord bless my oil changes please😥

[@kef103]

Are 2015 free from this problem?

[@ChrisSnider23]

So 2014+ should be good?

[@sranjesuper]

Junk, absolute junk BMW is garbage. All mechanics used to think it was shit in the early 2000's, but now with the 2015+ its even bigger shit. It's such a big shit, that i don't even want to fix them anymore. All plastic, every hose is plastic. The coolant hoses have been breaking since early 2000's at the connection points where it is plastic. Let me ask you people... Do you think BMW is unaware of this issue? I had a 2017 330I come in today, and there was a coolant hose on the coolant reservoir, that broke off at the plastic junction and that hose led somewhere to the back of the engine, where it also broke off somehow. No way to see where the hose leads but it does lead underneath the intake manifold. To take the intake manifold off, it's a 5 hour job. on a car that has less than 100,000KM and is 2 to 3 years old. Yes, BMW is aware of their plastic garbage pipes, that always break, and yet they haven't done a thing to address it. In fact, they added more plastic pipes, and put the TIMING CHAIN in the back of the engine now on the new 2.0 and 3.0 engines since 2017, so now that even if you want to do it at home, you will need an ENGINE HOISE to take out your FUCKING ENGINE first. These companies are polluting the environment, creating garbage that will need to be fixed, with more garbage plastic parts. The governments are taxing the people, but what are these garbage companies liable for? They are the ones, choosing profit over environment, as they VERY WELL KNOW that if they made their GARBAGE parts out of rubber and aluminum, they would never leak, and wouldn't require to be fixed. Not to mention, that everything is always complex and for what reason? How much more MPG are you getting out of your BMW to justify the cost? It's not that the cars have 1 or 2 problems, they will have EVERY SINGLE problem that can happen, in ownership within 300,000km. Soon, they will make the pistons and engine block out of plastic too. These big companies need to be paying BIG taxes for their consistent garbage that forces people to repair things that shouldn't be breaking. How can they make a timing chain not last? BMW and Mercedes, and even Audi. They have been making chain engines since the inception of the engine, and somehow they can't get a timing chain to last? Why don't they make timing belts then? Timing belts don't require as much labour, and parts as a timing chain, that's why. Again, draining you dry. FUCK these globalist cock suckers

[@donnovanharding5229]

Just had my f30 timing chain crack and fail... and boy let me tell you, $14,000 quote for new engine now 😩

[@donnovanharding5229]

Kevin Williams just hit 72,000 last month....

[@christophercheng9672]

Did you hear the whining noise before it broke?

[@Orlandobori]

Kevin Williams my bmw has 54k do I still have warranty?

[@realsaxual2357]

Sarasota beach boys is 54 less than 70?

[@djzimo]

Having issues now. timing chain is loose and casing valvetronic faults. 3700 to fix not sure what to do.

[@mammasrayillath1]

Any idea if it's the same case for F10 N20 engine? Mine's a 520i F10 2014 July I believe. Tried looking online.. I just keep finding about the f30 mostly.

[@jollymarv752]

I Mentioned This Before N Got Fried In The Comment Section. They Thought I Was Lying 🤥 😂

[@ThicWhips]

You ain’t lyin

[@1up17]

Great research and info. Keep up the good work!

[@brunoferreira2751]

Thanks John! Keep up the great work. New to channel, I really appreciate the content.

[@brunoferreira2751]

Just dropped my car off at the dealership this evening. It's a 3/13 production date f30/n20, still under warranty (but not for much longer). I reached out to my dealership advisor after watching this video and listening to my engine more closely at idle. I have a definite whine that I can hear when I rev the engine that wasn't there prior. I'm just under 63k. Hopefully they just take care it without giving me an issue. I guess we'll see. Wish me luck. I'll let you know what happens. Thanks again for the videos John! Keep up the good work!

[@ThicWhips]

Keep us updated, hopefully they take care of you!

[@brunoferreira2751]

Just heard back from the dealership. They WILL be replacing the timing chain and guides under warranty. Not sure how long they will keep the car to perform this, but it will be covered. I'll let you all know when I get the car back and how it all turns out.

[@ThicWhips]

Awesome!

[@brunoferreira2751]

Just picked my F30 up from the dealership. All good, 3 pages of parts on the invoice that were changed, fresh oil change. I should be good to go. The whine is gone. My advise to anyone that is still covered under the extended warranty is to take it in to you local dealership just in case. The service guys are great to deal with and if you ask they will do their best to help you out. I'm happy to have the piece of mind. The price they quoted to do it the work out of warranty is definitely worth your time to get it checked out. :cheers

[@frazmeup]

Isn’t this covered under warranty? I’m thinking of buying a used 2013 328xi non CPO and want to know where to find the manufacturing date on the engine

[@aagomez313]

Never again...I will sell my 2016 528I next year and buy a Toyota. The Germans have forever lost their reputation as a leading engineering power.

[@josephpeckan8757]

I have a 2016 328 with 110k. Need to replace the chain and perhaps guide bolt. bmw Canada does not follow the USA in financial assistance. Next vehicle will be electric.

[@SunKing968]

Actually unfortunately I've read it's a problem before early 2015, not 2013....

[@scottgibson807]

Is there any way to tell it's been done already? Visually?

[@ashen1425]

Is a 2016 328i n20 with 60k miles reliable?

[@kenrenji1]

Hey I know its been a year, but any update on what you did? Did you get it the car checked, replace something etc.?

[@Seanbbn]

Question: is there a quick way to check the timing chain for play without taking the car in?

[@realsaxual2357]

Sean Dudge You can see the chain through the oil cap under the hood. Play with it, check for slack, colour and quality of your oil, and pray, pray everyday the BMW gods don’t take your baby away

[@snarplaya]

My 2012 328i with n20 engine has 117,000 miles on it. My oil timing chain guide exploded first. The car lost oil pressure instantly and sounded like a tractor. It’s in the shop now getting new timing chains with the new guide rails for the main timing chain and oil chain. It’s so stupid that bmw uses these plastic components inside the engine. My plastic valve cover went first. Now the guide rails fail, fml. Planned obsolescence is a terrible thing. Bmw purposely designs shorter lifespans into the newer engines with cheap plastic components so you have to spend more on service. My e36 from 1996 had 250,000 miles on it and I never had a problem like this. Only basic maintenance and had to replace the cooling system, which was common with those models after 150k miles. This was also due to plastic components failing. But now these timing chains are only rated for 90,000 miles. Right before the warranty runs out.

[@tommyboom3565]

How did you find out when your car was produced? Please let us know what you are going to do

[@jollymarv752]

RealOem.Com put in your vin and it should give u the estimated production date.

[@ThicWhips]

Also says your production date on the inside of the drivers door jam mm/yy

[@jollymarv752]

Thic F30 ^^ First Owner Stole Mine 😂

[@DesertRose99]

Ive read from multiple people its from 2015 onwards that have the upgraded timing chain but he is saying late 2013 i have a 2014 328i M sport can anyone clarify where i lie? Im confused

[@dheerajsarupria]

Hi, Is it also an issue with the N46 engine? (F30)

[@mariopeak]

Bro This Ish happened to me last week It blow the engine on the highway and it’s not safe because the car is electric so once the engine go the car go totally dead The steering locks no way to put the car in neutral Oh yea bmw wants $22,345 to fix it and the cars worth 10,000 now

[@ThicWhips]

Fuckkkk sorry to hear that. What year is your car and how many miles?

[@mariopeak]

It’s 2013 f30 and @ 96000 miles

[@Travel_withRick]

I have a 316d f30 from July 2013. How can I idenfy if I have the new timing chain?

[@devpkh]

U dont

[@honestscentz9300]

Does the 2016 428xdrivec have the same engine 2.0

[@Seanbbn]

JAMIL WILCOX those have a different guide and chain setup altogether. You’re good.

[@The_KING24]

Is this a 428i m sport dude? If so did you find out because they do have a N20 engine :(

[@The_KING24]

@@Seanbbn are you sure man? The 428i has the same n20 engine 😞 But if that's the case Imma pull the plug on a 2016 one 🤪

[@honestscentz9300]

@@The_KING24 it has the n26

[@The_KING24]

@@honestscentz9300 in Australia they have the n20s fitted to them 😢

[@bladetilldead]

I think there’s also a way to visually tell if your guide has been replaced/if you have the new one by the color of the plastic??

[@ThicWhips]

Yeah I heard mixed reviews on that, whether white or orange but some say the oil simply changes the color of the guide so I didn’t want to mention that until I had facts

[@kamranforouzad1038]

Is only a problem for the n20 engine. Could the same thing happen to an n55 from that year?

[@ThicWhips]

N20 only from what I have read

[@beetlejuice1239]

Thic F30 what about the n26? Also problematic?

[@hurtado98]

Dam I was thinking of buying one tomorrow now I don’t feel like being one 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@jnagime]

Same here....2013 55k 6 spd M package $15k

[@user-px5to6bl3m]

Swear to God

[@pattyrazer3229]

my 2013 328i n20 was made in may of 2013, does that mean im fine?

[@ryanglo2121]

mine is 06/13 its a N26 ... i really hope mines good

[@rollingreggie9576]

It’s not hard to tell just open your oil cap and look and see if u see a orange guide you have the old guide the new guides white

[@honestscentz9300]

I have a 2016 428xdrive mines are orange Timing Guides

[@gustavocobra77]

@@ryanglo2121 2

[@JB-sg4bn]

Is 09/13 late model?

[@bilalsalim7811]

I am confused. I have a 2014 f30, production date July of 2013. Am I safe?

[@devpkh]

Nope this just happened to my 2014 f30

[@mysnellog]

I just purchased 3/2013 f30 320i with manual transmission have 60,000mils. Im i affected ? and how do i know my engine is N20. Thanks

[@Acelele320]

320i and 328i have the same engine, the N20. 320i has 135 kW and it's produced from 2012 to 2015 328i has 180 kW and it's produced from 2011 to 2016

[@dylanoppeneer2354]

And 328i has stronger pistons,etc.

[@Acelele320]

@@dylanoppeneer2354 The point is, in the base, it's the same engine, they share the same timing chain.

[@bryanvalencia4990]

What if my year is 2014 ?

[@SavageTurk14]

Is this the same for n26?

[@ThicWhips]

From what I understand it is

[@SavageTurk14]

Thic F30 welp I gotta find out when my car was made lmao

[@TheMrPasul]

My f31 is from 10.24.2013 am i save?

[@ThicWhips]

Hard to tell, you are right at the cutoff point. But if what I read was true, no

[@cbsturge]

@@ThicWhips Here's a chart that tells you whether or not your car is eligible for the 7yr/70k mile warranty: bmwtechnician.com/2019/01/31/n20-n26-timing-chain-7-70-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5845

[@pandaf3048]

How can I know if my f30 is late model 13?

[@ThicWhips]

Check the door jam, your production date will be written on there mm/yy

[@minino1237]

You should move to f30 n55

[@ThicWhips]

F80 m3 😉

[@Vaney168]

Got a 2013 328i xdrive, I knew about this problem before I bought my car 2 years ago but didn't know how often it was actually occurring out there. I've made sure to never use the auto start stop, and I change the oil every 8000KM instead of the ridiculously long intervals the car suggests. Almost at 120000KM now and no strange noises yet. I have thought once in a while that I could possibly be left stranded somewhere without having had any warning signs of failure.

[@beetlejuice1239]

Any updates?

[@Vaney168]

@@beetlejuice1239 No catastrophic failure for me (yet?), over 155000KM now and my car is running just fine.

[@eduardmilitaru1659]

Any updates? :)

[@Vaney168]

@@eduardmilitaru1659 Just shy of 190,000KM, she's running great no strange noises, I'm quite surprised how good this car has been to me. Only thing outside regular maintenance I had done to it was get a low side A/C service port replaced, it had a slow leak causing the A/C to be erratic.

[@eduardmilitaru1659]

Wow! Glad to hear that! Boosted my confidence to be honest. I was that close to get it done without making any noises or strange behavior. I had quite few cars since i have the driver license and i know the specific sounds of an engine. Beside the fact that n20's are quite noisy because of the direct injection, mine has no any other noise so.. Thanks for the quick response and take care of your car! Pretty awesome little engines :)

[@SynysterCyko85]

I have a 2014 328i N20, and i feel like when i floor my accelerator and get that rpm all the way over, my gear switches feel very slow and jolty (when im in automatic and not manually switching the gears) , even in sport and sport + mode. Is this normal? im at about 64k miles

[@AK-tl2nm]

Brady Six unknown, have it test driven by a reputable specialist?

[@eliejunior3368]

Always first