BMW F80 M3 vs F82 M4 comparison and exhaust tone update

Comparison video between the F80 M3 and the F82 M4. Also interesting to note the change in exhaust tone between the 2015 and 2016 model years.
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[@muper09]

I think the M3's flared arches make it look like a much angrier car, which I really like

[@cooram]

m3 is less expensive, more practical, just as fast, looks 90% as good.. There's also just something about a well balanced fast sedan that speaks to me.

[@thatpersiandude7386]

im always prefer coupes over sedans but in this case m3 looks better, m4 looks a bit weird from side angles, the rear window is just oversized

[@afarrel3195]

@@thatpersiandude7386i love the m3 because of the widebody

[@KayMac1]

It's funny on the UK second hand car market, the m4 (both coupe & convertible) is less expensive and m3 costs more

[@ImJidionDaddy]

Its way faster

[@22Epic]

@@KayMac1 Cause there is 4 times more M4 available on the market than M3. Then it's a simple matter of supply and demand.

[@ScottZ370]

Those wheels on the M3 look like such a throwback to the M3 CSL

[@gunmenow]

What a wonderful choice for the music!

[@baloonia1]

+ray zhang I also liked it.

[@maxismudda]

Perfectly fits the cars ;)

[@ARMYTRIX]

Interesting...

[@Vitoman901]

+ARMYTRIX Hahaha, who needs bmw exhaust when you can have Armytrix?

[@richardh3587]

Seeing them side by side I really prefer the M3. I think its a bit too long to be a coupe...and the rear arches on the M3 are just so nice.

[@hansklostermann117]

Nick, honestly....You need the black grill. it looks amazing on that color

[@luimarco]

M3 around the Track is indeed Faster, B Pillar makes it the chassis that Much Stiffer, and Honestly since they came out i always Preferred the M3 which can Be arguable The Best Manual Sport Sedan Today, M4 though will never be the Best Sport Coupe, it will always lose to the 911

[@USASPORTSCARDS]

Salute the L.U.I. For his knowledge on chassis stiffness :). - Greetings from Iran brother

[@Ganserndorf9411]

+luimarco Can you prove an M3 is faster than an M4? And BTW, an M4 also has a B-pillar ;o)

[@georgedavidov5250]

+luimarco I salute your choice! F80 M3, 6MT...baby please!

[@nnr3]

+luimarco Whoa I didn't expect you to comment on an automotive video lol

[@Super07gsxr600]

+luimarco very well said

[@rafaltele]

Anuj - Sir you picked MT BMW M3 SEDAN and I salute you. It is my dream car. Nick your films are great. Thank You Sir, for the effort.

[@MrHello566]

I love the effort you put into these videos! Keep it up mate

[@SPRCRS]

Awesome! Subbed for your ///M videos as a ///M driver and enthusiast! Keep up the great work!

[@alexalday6316]

Haha gotta love hearing M3 vs M4 talk. I stand with you Nick on the M4 being the better choice although I do love those arches on the M3. Another great video. Keep up the great work!

[@oxymetholone]

During an interview, a M division engineer mentioned that the M4 coupe body is not as aerodynamically efficient (the fastback like roof line is not optimal) as the sedan counterpart, so they had to design the built in trunk lid spoiler to combat turbulence and aid high speed stability. Chassis rigidity and side impact performance is also compromised due to B pillar location. The m4 is slightly lighter to the m3 sedan because of the carbon trunk lid. So officially the coupe is only for show.

[@richardramos141]

Love the vids nick keep em coming 👌🏻😁

[@FurkanCemTurfanda]

The M3 is better looking. The rear fenders look very muscular with those bulges.

[@TheMadIsRealXXR]

Nah.....

[@christophergreene3838]

Great review. Well done, as always. Having an F80 now, I agree with your comments. M3 vs M4 is a matter of individual tastes and needs. Practicality won for me.

[@kylecronin3212]

One additional difference between the M3 and M4 is that the M4 has pillarless doors, which I really like.

[@MickAv8r]

Sorry Nick, the F80 is just so much better looking because of the wheel arches. Those flares are sexy as hell

[@NickMurray]

You are clearly drunk :)

[@MickAv8r]

Drunk at 11AM? Me? Never, ok maybe lol. Seriously its the "because racecar" look of the arches. Just gives it a DTMish look to the car vs the M4.

[@scanspeak00]

+MickAv8r I think the M3 is too plane jane looking. I definitely would prefer the M4 which still isn't as sexy as the E92 M3.

[@RAJohnson713]

Yes I agree 100%

[@B15SDMDESIGNS]

MickAv8r the m4 has wide arches aswell but just seems more prominent on the m3 as it's a taller car.

[@user-jt3nf7in5w]

E90 < E92 F80 > F82 Also I think the M4 boot lid is made of CFRP while the M3 is not.

[@DoctaM3]

Nick as a BMW enthusiast, I loved this video. Very crisp comparison. Love your videos. Keep up the great work! To be honest, I hate the the nomenclature with naming but honestly the M4 is more true to the original M3. Great cars!

[@NickMurray]

+DoctaM3 Ha ha yes. Let face it, seems unlikely you will change your channel name to DoctaM4 : )

[@DoctaM3]

+Nick Murray hahahaha... very try.

[@flexol]

Great video! Exactly what I need it to know and see. 👏🏽

[@nrnccrdn]

Great video as always Nick! One question though: Did you damage your M4 front bumper? It looks like it is missing pieces of black plastic at the driver's side and looks scratched at the passenger side. I don't recall you talking about that in your videos so I am curious what happened. Maybe an idea for the next video? Cheers!

[@brycelee7373]

Red (Sakhir Orange) exterior with Red interior on this M3? It's a rolling bordello! This M3 owner, while looking like a very gentle gentleman, has some wild taste on automobile colors. Kudos for him! :-)

[@lloyd.8272]

I’ve always preferred the coupe with previous m3’s, but with the f80 I think the saloon look a lot better. Love the more aggressive wider look to the rear on the saloon rather then the sleek coupe.

[@Veyronp87]

its tough. i like the sleek design of the m4, but the flared arches look really good on the m3

[@leesvideos6466]

Also, great work with the camera footage for this video. I can see the "toys" are working well. Had some weird mic echoes at some points though.

[@dtownkid]

The solid black grille makes the car look better than the chrome outline.

[@markducusin3341]

9:26 his thoughts on the sedan vs coupe. Spot on.

[@JonabqAlbuquerque]

Nice comparison, thank you for sharing.

[@PSA955]

Nick, I'm considering either a new M4 or a used 991/911 (2013?), manual for both. I know the DCTs are faster etc, but I prefer to row my own. Considering you've spent time in both, what are your thoughts, pro & con, do you have a preference?. I don't need the extra space of the M4 although admit it would be welcome. Thanks Nick,PAUL

[@Fairhavenbranch]

Cool video dude!

[@robertrosenblatt6692]

Nice review! Agree, exhaust note much different. Any plans on reviewing the new 911 and M4 competition package when it appears in the spring??

[@misterhartan]

Nick, do you know the feature on the M4 (and all other two door bmw's) when you pressing the open button on your fob twice, the window will go down after opening the door by itself. Then it is easier to get in when you parking in a tight parking space.

[@ArtVandelayOfficial]

oh god,red on red combo ... well at least the blackout grille is nice though haha

[@ScottParisi]

Fun video. Anyone else notice these guys are rocking the no front plate look? Well done. They should be outlawed.

[@MatthewBerger]

Like that winter setup on M3, what brand/style wheels are those?

[@Albertoepicness]

lol the background music, i once played that song in middle school orchestra, last year

[@ddretruria5376]

Hi Nick. what do u think of the new Mercedes c63 coupe amg? how do u compare it to bmw m4? thanks for ur channel. I enjoy it.

[@nordell9097]

if i would buy any of these i'd take the m3 because of the practicality and in my opinion, it looks slightly better.

[@astrogen1960]

In the market, so big thanks' for this comparison. I'm curious to know if the trunk opening width is the same for both cars. It's a little hard to tell due to GoPro distortion of your shots and the difference in their cutout angles. I prefer the M4, but need to transport a wheelchair. In your opinion, is the difference in width between the two even enough to matter?

[@Willhgf]

I have an E46 M Coupe and as much as I love the looks of it, I wish it came with 4 doors. The F80 M3 looks better because of its boxy look which makes it look more aggressive than the M4 and let's not forget the jaw dropping bulge on the rear fender of the M3. The M4 is aggressive too, but a little too sleek and not as unique as a 4 door M3.

[@hansklostermann117]

Didn't expect to like the M3's exhaust sound more than the M4's. Also, if i was the lucky guy buying one of these, i'd get the M3

[@BboyMobster]

I like the m4 slightly better but I wish they would of made it more slim so they could have widened the fenders like on the m3. Anyways great video as usual!

[@ChiefRSR]

Loved the video Nick. One question: why are some shots so pixelated (especially the drive-by parts)?

[@NickMurray]

The video is crystal clear before upload. KZbin compression butchers it. Looking at ways to improve this

[@Salpeteroxid]

Having an M4, it's actually quite spacious inside. It's hella cozy once in place. But M3's are more expensive in my country. You'd be happy with any of these if you can except living without rear doors.

[@Bours911]

what brand of wheels the m3 has on ? both whips are amazing and yes i hear a louder exaust note on the 2016 m3 you seem right about that one nick bmw bust you too until your face turns blue murray !

[@mgd455]

Enjoyed the 911 ownership review. Saved me probably making a mistake. Have you considered reviewing a Cadillac ATS-V ? I'd be curious to hear your comments, especially since owning your M4 for a yr plus.

[@thesponzie]

after a year of thinking about it I've finally ordered one!!!! have you got any more M4 vids planned ? can't get enough while I'm waiting. maybe something on your favourite driver setting etc ??

[@NickMurray]

+David Jordan I have run out of things to say about the M4 I think I have covered everything in my videos already.

[@thesponzie]

+Nick Murray I'll have to watch the bloody things again then !!! you any nearer changing for something else ?

[@NickMurray]

+David Jordan I would like to get another 911 this year. Maybe mid year if I can find the money

[@raymaher9500]

Hi Nick! I'm a huge fan of all your M4 videos! I'm looking at changing my Scirocco to a proper car. I've always wanted an M4 in Sakhir Orange since I saw your first video. Now, would you still say it's wort getting or are there other cars in the price bracket which might be worth waiting for? I've seen the new A4 is out, which means the S4/5 should be following soon- and they have top interiors. Plus there's the M2 coming out soon. Also, I saw your video on the manual vs dual clutch... Which would you have if you could re-order it?

[@NickMurray]

+Raajiv Maher I would wait and see what the M2 is like. I personally still find the M4 to be a large car so the M2 might be a better buy. I personally prefer the MT but it depends on the type of driving you do. The DCT is perfect and has many advantages. The new s4/5 is aimed at the 340i market not the M4 market so keep that in mind but yes they will be very nice cars. So many choices out there. BTW I always wanted a Scirocco.

[@raymaher9500]

Cool, I'll hang on a few months and check the M2 out. I wanted to wait for the RS5, but that's going to take a while to come out. Ah, the Scirocco is ace, I've had for a few years now and it hasnt put a foot wrong. I had an auto Mercedes before that, and I missed MT. If you're ever in Mother England, drop me a line and you can take the car for a spin. I don't think this Scirocco model ever made it to North America. Thanks again for all the videos. Keep up the great work!

[@Ganserndorf9411]

Cool vid It's the first time I could hear a distinct difference in sound between the 2015 and 2016. Thanks for doing this. A few points: According to BMW specs, the M3 is ~50lb heavier than the M4. Not 10lb Those heated rear seat (part of the executive package, not cold weather package) aren't free in the M3. They cost $300. The executive package is $3200 on the M4 and $3500 on the M3. Not sure where you got that the M3 performs better than the M4. So far all tests tend to demonstrate that they are practically equal performance wise. On paper though, the M4 has a slight edge due to its 50lb weight advantage, lower center of gravity and lower drag (due to its smaller frontal area).

[@iantownsend5480]

M3 in blue please, it'll go nice next to my 3 series

[@anissiajackson2]

like both

[@clicclikeifyouup7153]

I'd love to have an F80 M3 with a 6 speed, the 4 door looks great!

[@Prophetsee]

do the manual transmissions stall if you let off the clutch in first ,new cars dont stall like the older ones do thats why i am asking

[@nicolailund-jensen3453]

The E90 and E92 have different part numbers for the rear silencer(couldn't find F80/F82 parts list) due to the different body style - Maybe that is also the case for the F80 and F82 and thus causing a slightly different soundtrack?

[@austinn5442]

Another factor to consider with the larger number of m4 owners is the number itself. Since this is the first generation of the 4 series, the customer might prefer to be apart of this new stage for BMW. Also, since the base 4 series is quite a bit more expensive than a base 3 series, you could imagine how that would add some bias to whom the owner wants to be associated with.

[@Khurann]

I live right near Harriman State Park in NY!

[@Loud_Whisper1]

Nick Please do a M4 couple vs convertible comparison

[@Powaup]

M4 allocations are much much easier to come by, I don't think the demand for the M3 is higher than that of the coupe. Also, not only does the M3 have a cheaper price tag but lease deals are much better due to a higher residual

[@billyh6872]

i prefer the m4 but id have the m3 just for the practicality

[@suhailjamil3909]

I personally prefer the arches on the M4 and exterior wise its the more sportier and better looking than the boxier M3 sedan. The M3 reminds me of a Golf mark 1 from the rear being so square and how the rear arch sticks out. Whereas the M4 rear arches have a more Aston Martin feel to it which I love.

[@M3Conv]

manuals are a bit of a novelty, fun for a while but long term everyone wants the DCT

[@JaredRosenholtz]

So...the m4 is an m3 coupe? Mind blown! Ha-ha, love your videos Nick. I hope I can meet you while your in Orlando!

[@kylecronin3212]

+Jared Rosenholtz No, the M3 is a four-door sedan M4 :)

[@reiernumans2906]

It would've been awesome if they made an M4 Gran Coupé.

[@goons123flofy]

Echo echo - your guests audio sounds like he is an announcer at an air show.

[@Wuzzysbrand06]

Hey Nick, do you think there's a chance you could get your hands on a 488 GTB to review? I know it's a supercar but you might know someone who knows someone... :)

[@AndreiCocisOne]

Do a comparison between the new C63 and the M4, that'll be interesting.

[@caspernilsson6008]

sold my m4 and got an m3, NO REGRETS AT ALL

[@gaivoron]

yeah its like picking between oranges Both of them are good looking cars. its matter of 2 vs 4 doors. I owned a coupe and sedan, if i had to choose i pick a sedan again.

[@danielchen426]

I would take either of these over my f30 335i. That being said.....nick black kidney grills on the f82 pls. And as far as the f80.... Sakhir orange paint. Love it..... Sakhir orange leather too? Not so much. Nick your choice of interior is tons better. Great video either way. Keep up the great work.

[@NYCTeamZ]

Oh wait, Nick lives near the same county as me?

[@scanspeak00]

I wonder how the drag coefficient/fuel economy compares.

[@Sleepy_Joe_]

Yes they updated the sound. It's not even a secret at least here in Germany.

[@mxdaw]

+HalloProletariat Is there anywhere this has been documented? Taking delivery of an M4 this friday and very curious about this...

[@Sleepy_Joe_]

xcvxcv Well my cousin got his new M3 a few weeks ago here in Germany and the guy at BMW who was in charge of the delivery told him that they created a deeper (does this make sense in english?) sound with more bass. To me it sounds way better than the old one.

[@mxdaw]

+HalloProletariat Ah cool thanks for the info. Mine is new too, so I'll see if the dealer can tell me a little more about it. I presume the M4 got the same update...

[@ChrisDorgan]

+HalloProletariat Yea dude that makes sense :) it also sounds like they've let a higher note appear at the top end of the rev range so it actually changes pitch more the more you accelerate. That bodes well for the M2 :P I don't know if I've missed it but I hadn't seen anything that suggested they were tinkering with the sound on newer models etc

[@1seipai]

Bach Brandenberg Concerto. Very civilized! :-)

[@drivercentric8535]

At first I thought you jumped on the "make exhaust KZbin videos" bandwagon and I was like oh no, say it ain't so! Glad to see that's not the case. The M3 looks like a hatchback almost, very 1-Serieish. I'm pretty sure this is due to wide angle lens distortion (see 4:25 for example). I'm a sedan guy but I think that the M4 looks better all around! Nick, you need to ditch the chrome kidney grills! F30/F32/F80/F82s look so much cleaner with the black kidney grills, pretty much in any color. Do we need to start a petition?

[@ardalanshabestari3437]

those rear headlights though

[@strohhalm1326]

Rear headlights lol that's the dumbest thing I've read today...

[@FishFind3000]

First thing I noticed was his lazer jammers

[@sukiaki96]

there seems to be a lot of double audio recording when both of you are talking

[@ahmedalyafi9652]

Nick know that the 991.2 had been released are you thinking about getting one still?

[@NickMurray]

Yes. Just a bit broke at the moment due to new house.

[@andrej3602]

do you feel bad that you buoght m4 on the place of jaguar f type s coupe manual transmission?

[@Technotroni]

me wiping my tears with bills from e46 and e90 watching mseries I cant afford in near future but I will work towards :D

[@danieljordannicol9937]

Has to be the m3 for me as well mind. Not that the m4 isnt lovely but the practicality and somehow underatated appeal of the m3 wins me over

[@trevorclinton872]

M3 with fire orange,carbon brakes,akrapovic exhaust, and individual interior

[@DearMajesty]

I think they are about the same in looks. I just think the tail lights of the M3 are a bit too aggressive...I prefer the M4 tail lights for this reason. Other than that, I'd take the sedan any day given that it's cheaper and has way more bang for buck/practical.

[@secondchance4498]

The difference between the looks is not a big thing for me, although I do like the M3 more. The biggest thing for me is the M3 is more of a all-rounder having the extra two doors which in my world makes it a better car.

[@beholderlt]

Nick, I hate to be shitting on your post production again, but what's up with the echo from your friend?

[@zeyaf]

I just got my drop top m4. Quick question is it okay to drive with the air con on during the summer? Does it ruin the air con?

[@NickMurray]

+Turbopong What, are you trolling my friend?

[@zeyaf]

+Nick Murray hahaha, okay I meant with the top down and the air con on does it spoil the hvac? :P serious question

[@edgardoamado7008]

Wouldn't be more reasonable to say the difference in sound is because one car has a longer exhaust then the others one? Thus affecting resonance?

[@ShakaLakaMTB]

I prefer the M3, it seems more balanced. The doors and the back of the M4 seems too big. IMO... :)

[@edanxkr]

M3 all the way. Better looking especially on those beautiful wheels, more practical and even (because of the year) a much nicer, more naturally-aspirated-Porsche-sounding exhaust note.

[@thbe566]

Orange with red interior, huh. Brave to say the least.

[@rippchen0815]

They have updated the sound for 2016. Not only for the LCI of the M3, but also for the M4. I picked up my M3 two month ago, and they told me in Munich, they changed the sound ;) BTW the M3 looks better ;) At least it is a huge difference compared to the F30. The M4 just looks like another 4 series :-P Without the badge nobody would notice ;)

[@jacobwebert2856]

rippchen0815 the 2016 sounds a lot better in my ears. like a deeper cslE46. Is there a different engine/intake sound in the car as well? The delivery of my 2016 M4 is just weeks away:)

[@rippchen0815]

+Jacob Webert It also sounds better inside. But I am not sure. Could also be the HK Soundsystem. My previous test cars didn't have the HK. Sounds kind of v8ish and not as artificial as in the test drives of pre 2016 models.

[@faheem9341]

I like the m4 👍

[@BMW-rx5gp]

need!

[@rasimguler9908]

What happened to your cars left front lip?

[@johnandmorehb3422]

M3 is much better looking. Thosel wheelarchers are just very cool. Gives the car a nice stance.

[@sunj8286]

any issue of your m4 nick?

[@Talon276]

Nah that M3 is 100% better looking than the M4

[@NickMurray]

+Talon276 Say no to drugs : )

[@Talon276]

+Nick Murray Nick take a look at all the other comments about the superiority of the M3

[@rhcpcrony]

+Talon276 There shouldn't even be a 4 door sports car. Are you taking your family to the track? Porshe 911, Lamborghini, Ferrari, Bugatti, Audi R8, Nissan GTR, the list goes, no serious sports car is made in a 4 door version. Get an M3 minivan if you want to take your daughter to soccer practice.

[@rhcpcrony]

+Moby Dick yeap just saw the side by side comparison. If you want that back from the M3 might as well get a regular 3 series.

[@BestJinjo]

+Talon276 At 0:26 mark, in 3/4 rear view, the M3 looks horribly outdated already. The M4 still looks good/fresh from every angle.

[@andrzejstos5777]

Forgot about M3 rear full-LEDs? M4 hasn't them yet.

[@igomil]

Maybe M4 outsells M3 is because of supply. A lot more M4s to choose from at dealer lots.