BMW Has a Secret - Two Takes

[@global_nomad.]

always good to hear positive reviews of models lower down the range - rather than always chasing the top models...

[@postalpancho]

True. The reality is most people buy the mid range models and yet they get less spot light.

[@mikers73]

I like the idea of Zack starting with the initial drive while Matt goes through figures and some opinion, then Matt reaffirming what was said on his drive.

[@gunsandcommissions]

I agree

[@wrapdump]

I really appreciate the comedic genius of what you guys are doing with the KZbin thumbnail faces. The balancing act of bending over and jumping through the algorithm's hoops while in the same photo expressing your contempt and disgust at having to do it is a masterclass. I'm sorry/love that you have to do it.

[@X11CHASE]

That’s really reaching you damned clown 😂

[@Petrospect]

"""like and subscribe braaaaaah"" is the icing on the cake lmao

[@stevemiller1626]

It’s still Soy Face tho

[@xxx_ray]

the perfection of the soyface

[@TurboShotIncredible]

As an owner of a last gen M235i, and having gotten to drive the lesser '21 330i with this engine, I can attest it is a fantastic 4cly with plenty of power and torque for everyday fun

[@roboticvenom1935]

Yeah you got the better rear end, they ruined the styling of this vehicle from the rear.

[@glockboy5949]

Could you imagine a better daily? Hear me out: 1: RWD 330i /M340i 2. Adaptive shocks 3. Skinny/ slippery rear tires Oooh yeah

[@shredmonster76]

2017 230i owner here, your on-track video of the 228msport was what convinced me to buy it. After three 3yrs of ownership and a few upgrades, this is fantastic daily and really fun weekend warrior. Its decently quick, practical, and I rarely see another one on the road. These are pretty cheap in the used market, I paid 20k for a low mileage car with clean title. If you want a RWD lightish car but don't want something slow like a gt86, then this is a great choice.

[@Victic005]

2007 Mazda MX-5 owner here, same thing.....

[@dodgers4121]

I had the 230i 2019 and now I have this one without M package. The new one has more torque at low rpm. I love it, in sport+ and transmission in S is a bullet.

[@roboticvenom1935]

The GR86 isn't slow anymore ya silly, it's in the 5's and can be in the 13's(car and driver 5.3s 0-60 13.9 quarter mile) So it's quite literally not that far off in the quarter thanks in part to not weighing like that of a pig.

[@roboticvenom1935]

@@dodgers4121 wait you went from a 2019 230i to a 2022 LMFAO BMW owners

[@dodgers4121]

@@roboticvenom1935 why? what's wrong with that?

[@adammarkowitz7944]

Excellent video. You've touched upon several issues which are rarely discussed among car reviewers: 1) it's the Feel of the car which matters most 2) Sometimes a lower horsepower car is more desirable 3) AWD is great, but if you don't need it, it's extra weight and moving parts 4) Only under certain specific circumstances(i.e. track) does the extra power have an advantage--in other words--sometimes less power is more fun! Thank you, most informative and entertaining. Gentlemen, the previous generation was much prettier, right?

[@fayensu]

The previous-generation 2 series coupe was much, much prettier. A much better balanced design. This one is over-designed, and the long hood and fat back don't do it any favors.

[@gert-janvanderkamp3508]

The extra acceleration is something you can barley use on public roads, weight is something you feel in every corner. Those two extra cylinders on the 240i are tacked on at the front near the bumper, that's the worst place imaginable. It makes the car want to go in a straight line like a dart. The AWD duds the steering feel too. The 230i is the better option once you know enough to look past the spec sheet, more playful and fun in every day canyon carving, you can use more skill to keep the pace. You can even remap the B48 for extra power and torque. Only thing you can't match with the B58 is the sound tho.

[@Quatt22]

The B48 is one of the best 4 cyl turbos on the market. Underrated power from the factory and with a remap you’re looking at 310 hp and 355 tq. Great daily driver

[@johnsample9671]

Especially if you don't fully spec it and can find it below the 40 mark to get a 300 hp all around daily driver I'd love for someone to try to find a real competitor

[@_zigzak]

Is it at least built better than the n20?

[@Blackdawn80]

But not for $48k as tested. I'd say with $48k you build a GT86/BRZ that rivals a top spec Cayman with money left over for a proper motorcycle.

[@roboticvenom1935]

@@johnsample9671 then you get a joke of a feature set and options lol because BMW has some of the worst standard equipment and nickel and dimes you for the options(look at dealer prices). An Ecoboost handles better then this vehicle(objective).

[@davidt8087]

Not bad I had a 2015 m235i it only had 320hp and similar torque. But the new one weights a lot though. Still it might be faster or similar to the stock 2015 m235i. I have the new z4 m40i though with a tune. 440whp 490 torque baby

[@sebastiankaiser5165]

I totally get the sentiment. Had a base 318i as a loaner a few weeks ago when my M340i was in for service and had so. much. fun. with that car. RWD and the light 4cyl in the front totally transforms these cars back to what BMWs used to be.

[@FurkanCemTurfanda]

The M240i just became available with rwd this month, I would love to see a review on that!

[@infidel900rr]

What!? didn't even know it was coming... Definitely interested in that.

[@stevemiller1626]

Should help keep the weight down.

[@10essee10titans]

@@stevemiller1626 it's only about 120lbs lighter for RWD vs xdrive so nothing significant. plus traction considered, xdrive will still be noticeably quicker

[@garrettblack1259]

@@10essee10titans 120lbs off the nose end is undoubtedly significant

[@savagegtalks5912]

@@michaelschneider- you'd be saying -1 at first drop of rain or snow... but with xDrive you get it all year. isn't as good as a Niva of course, but it's better then 2wd.

[@ThatRosco458]

"You're not compromising you're just losing" LOL spot on Zach

[@postalpancho]

Exactly the 230i being RWD and a different engine than the 240i means it is practically an entirely different car.

[@MCHellshit]

@@postalpancho He was comparing the two trims of the Supra

[@MatthewGaither]

That really was very well said.

[@Veyronp87]

5 seconds to 60 and mid to high 13s in the 1/4 mile is plenty quick and its fuel efficient too. this is a great coupe for those who dont need sedan space

[@rembo183]

Totally agree, even one in base trim without the lsd or MSport package, is a great handling thrilling ride. Just check out the Consumer Reports review. That review stated it was “thrilling” as tested in base trim. No need to spend $48-$50. Spend $40k and get a fun sporty compact coupe with great fit and finish with mpg to brag about!

[@spyrosfr]

That entry in the corner at 13:05 was 🔥 and the car just said yes please. Such a nice machine

[@theodor12]

BMW needs to redo the E30/E36 318is coupe with the new 2 series coupe. Give it the 30i engine, a crisp manual gearbox, RWD, and a simple, lightweight interior with cloth bucket seats. Something for enthusiasts, but more affordable than the big M cars. It would be so cool.

[@bwcastillo]

Man I know I’m living in the past but the old analog gauges from the 90’s and early 2000’s were so perfect.

[@josephcitizen4195]

In my '22 230i owner. I consistently average over 40mpg (Eco Mode) on my 35 mile commute running at 72-75mph. On a road trip this last weekend I averaged 45.3mpg on the highway cruising @ 74mph. I absolutely love this car.

[@aluisious]

Trip computer or calculated at the pump?

[@josephcitizen4195]

@@aluisious The avg that's displayed in the gauge cluster. I should check it against the pump numbers though. It does seem extremely high. iDrive can display mpg since new for each drive mode. I should check that too.

[@roboticvenom1935]

@@josephcitizen4195 it's not getting 45MPG mate.

[@roboticvenom1935]

What did you pay for it?

[@josephcitizen4195]

@@roboticvenom1935 ~two hours straight on cruise control set at 73mpg without a single interruption. 45.3mpg average displayed. I have the pic.

[@charlesshamseldin9555]

Thank you for touching on the concept that sometimes less power is faster. Maybe not in a straight line (but sometimes), but in corners or linking corners or on the track a predictable ramp can sometimes be better. My 404whp dyno tuned shitbox is quicker, has less wheelspin, and has a less obnoxious ramp when detuned to 360whp -- in addition to being a lot more fun to drive.

[@antoniolobatocardenas8235]

Guys your video made me decide for this car, you transmited well what this car is (that is what I was looking for): authenctic and pure (despite being automatic) sport car. I am getting the car in April, cannot wait!!

[@rembo183]

I just purchased one in base trim without the MSport and Dynamic handling options for $39,500! Still a great buy and plenty of power and wonderful handling! Cool in white with tinted windows.

[@roboticvenom1935]

It has an open diff.. and the base model in typical BMW fashion is lacking in equipment and features completely lol Genesis G70 dynamics(loaded luxury vehicle w/ 360HP, worse handling but still sporty, has LSD, brembo brakes, sport adaptive suspension) are 38k 39k with 20-30k miles and similar warranty..

[@rembo183]

@@roboticvenom1935 - brand new 230i with all I need with only things. I’d add are power lumbar support and garage door opener. The power and handling are fine for me and love the appearance and quality of fit and finish of both interior and exterior. I paid $39,500. Great buy in my opinion. Assuming you don’t need e tea space for storage or kids.

[@ZeGermanHam]

Seems like a great overall value and I love the performance chops of this lower-level BMW coupe. Just wish they'd design a prettier front & rear fascia for it.

[@teemeaux3830]

F30/32 with b48

[@JohnJohnson-dv1ds]

One of the favorite things of my 23 230i is the placement of my left elbow. My old 540i had the B pillar much more forward not being a coupe. My elbows now rest equally when I drive. A small thing but important to me.

[@danielgladston1785]

Ordering one of these as soon as certain option packs and colors become available again. Glad to see the back to basics, small, rear-drive sports coupe is alive and well going into 2023. Disappointed with the lack of a manual but I think I can live with that knowing the ZF 8-speed is fantastic. The car is also phenomenal on fuel. I believe it gets something like 26/34 mpg which is super impressive for this kind of performance. This car does indeed rule.

[@kevinnorwood7355]

Great review!!! IMO the only thing missing here is a proper 6 speed manual and a analog dash. But even still it looks like BMW cooked up a really nice car! Thus isn't a slow car fast but it isn't a race car made for the street. Great daily driver and looks like blast in the canyons.

[@ThatRosco458]

The last gen is available with both those things, it's a pretty great package if you value handling more than flat out speed

[@kevinnorwood7355]

@@ThatRosco458 sadly i don't believe in the past say 5 years that very few manufacturers use analog gouges anymore. The only one I think off the top of my head is the Miata.

[@XR4turbo]

@@kevinnorwood7355 Porsche though they are trending digital...

[@aluisious]

I could not give less of a shit about analog gauges going away. Having half your dash taken by by a speedo dial is for mouthbreathers.

[@kevinnorwood7355]

@@aluisious or possibly people that can read.

[@TenaciousTentacruel]

It is nice seeing an lsd available as a factory option. The last non m car that had optional lsd was probably e36 or e46 generation. In some ways the 230i feels like a “deluxe package” version of the GR86. Turbocharged, more luxurious but still a driver’s car. For 43k with a diff, I’d take this BMW over a Golf R.

[@freedbeefpontoons]

Agreed, no LSD on the previous model was the wrong choice. Really hamstrung those cars IMHO.

[@Scuderia2000HD]

@@freedbeefpontoons the M Performance LSD was available as a dealer fit option for the F2X chassis cars, although it seems it wasn’t very well publicised as not many people decided to get it fitted. Seeing more and more people fit them aftermarket as the car really should have came with one from factory!

[@MrGhostOg]

I remember when you could get a e46 m3 new off the lot for 48k..

[@smushemz92]

You could get a dealer installed LSD on the 2015 235i, i;m sure that didn't change going forward.

[@mhtate3626]

@@MrGhostOg I don't know if my comment will show up but if it does, for giggles, a cursory search turned up an 01 E46 M3 "Base" was $45,400 USD. Excluding sales tax and all other fees, that same number after roughly two decades of inflation is now (roughly) $75,993 USD, which puts current day M3/M4 prices in perspective. I remember those times too, but this is akin to everyone saying the MKV Supra costs too much when there are, again, at least 2 decades of inflation between the MKIV and MKV availability on dealer lots.

[@johnstone7697]

Test drove the M-Sport 230i. Too stiff and even harsh for city/suburban driving. Part of the problem is the 19's and the fact that they're runflats. Went back later and tried a non sport version with 18 non runflats. Rode great. Obviously handling suffers, so it's a matter of trade-offs. For me, the ride quality is really important. YMMV.

[@RickKoeppen]

I put in an order for one back in March, but with some delays it got pushed to Aug (in production now), which bumped it to a 2023 MY, which was an absolute blessing, as it now gets that gorgeous long iDrive 8 display and a couple features they had removed (heads up display, wireless charger, etc.). Super excited, I always hear nothing but great things about how it drives.

[@ShogunsDojo]

A very interesting video considering I moved from a 230i to an M240i, both cars being of the previous generation. I loved my 230i and it always felt light and agile but also a little soulless with the 2.0 turbo. It just felt like any other engine from any other hot hatch so i I traded it in for an M240i which felt just as agile but better steering tuning, a lot more power and that signature straight six howl. The weight penalty was only 70kg (155 pounds) so really the extra power was a worthy trade. I don’t think I’d do the same thing for the current generation now they are auto only and the 240i is so much heavier and more complex with all wheel drive. Now the 230i is a more obvious purist choice and it’s easier to add power with these cars than it is to reduce weight. For perspective this new 230i is around 1535kg without a driver and a full tank, my manual M240i is around 1480kg under the same conditions so still a mid-weight car in the grand scheme of things.

[@samuelreid603]

I know a guy who has the new 230i he saw me at the dealership with mine( i have the240i) Told him you" trying to drive?"🏎😎 He was like 🤯🤯umm yeah.. *35 mins later* Him: im kinda piss 😤😤😡 i didnt get the m240i I drove his *25 mins later Me:if i didnt know bout the m240i the 230i would be it😎👍🏾

[@roboticvenom1935]

@@samuelreid603 3900LBS ugly rear end

[@Drew_Koch]

I was going to say that this would be a good comparison to the Giulia. Similar weight/specs ZF8, 2.0 turbo, etc.

[@grad0n]

Do you want 2 or 4 doors?

[@postalpancho]

The Giulia competes with the 330i.

[@RavTokomi]

Sounds like a great car to get a 6MT.

[@mikesrandomvidz5844]

It’s at least coming to the new M2 if you don’t check the Competition box and want the base M2.

[@mugenprospec]

In October 2021 I ordered an almost fully spec'd out M240i and absolutely loved it. Unfortunately it broke within 3 weeks of delivery and it's been at the dealship for over 4 months now. Replacement parts are absolutely nowhere to be found. I almost regret spending the extra $12k after seeing this.

[@chriswoollet]

What broke on the M240?

[@roboticvenom1935]

You dun goofed lmfao

[@postalpancho]

I’m picking up a 2023 230i M sports in a couple months. Just FYI you can get the M sport package, ELSD, and delete the sunroof and the price will be under $43k. Considering how quick it is and the amount of standard options, nice interior, usable back seats , brimbo brakes, and amazing driving dynamics, a $43k sticker price is well worth it. Keep in Mind that the Supra 2.0 has single piston brakes, open diff, no back seats, lower quality interior , less warranty, and less options for the same price.

[@chriscampbell867]

Are they charging over MSRP?

[@postalpancho]

@@chriscampbell867 No over charge, BMW charges only MSRP but you will have to put a non refundable deposit and be ready to wait at least 6 months.

[@RickKoeppen]

@@postalpancho It may depend on the dealer, for example mine didn't charge a deposit, explaining that with the market the way that it is, even if I backed out of my special order they'd be happy to have the inventory.

[@postalpancho]

@@RickKoeppen that logically makes sense but then unless you have a buyers order the dealership has a right to mark up a vehicle.

[@roboticvenom1935]

@@postalpancho "non refundable deposit" well fuck this BMW then lmao

[@mammakamel]

This is the same reasoning behind the i4M40 being better than the i4M50. Its slower, but has that light crisp turn in of a free running front wheelset. This is the BMW way, one wheelpair for traction, one for steering.

[@andrehicks9772]

Rented a 2023 in vegas this past week, i must say i enjoyed the car alot. RWD made the car fun.

[@Levibetz]

I went to an autocross this saturday, and the guy who got 1st overall in PAX was driving an M240i (awd). It seems like a great little car!

[@iantownsend500]

It’s weird times when a 4 cylinder bmw is better drivers car than a bmw 6. Great review lads

[@JayMaverick]

Wtf? A modern BMW with a great engine and is actually really beautiful? I like this reality.

[@vvevvevvvv]

It's not beautiful

[@roboticvenom1935]

Nobody believes it's beautiful, look at its infamous rear end

[@TheCmason13]

I purchased an Alfa Romeo Giulia back in 2017, MSRP around $46-$48k w/sport pkg., which included an LSD (Torsen), adjustable dampers, sport seats, and probably the best paddle shifters this side of a Ferrari (maybe same as, since they’re actual aluminum, & column mounted). Received ‘conquest discount’ for a BMW + Subaru (?), and got it for closer to $40k - the good ole days! Realize it’s a sedan, not a coupe, but looks better IMO, + 280hp/306tq, but only revs to around a diesel-like 6k rpm. Aggressive gearing helps alleviate that, along with super quick steering rack ratio, & double wishbone front suspension vs. struts(BMW), not to mention a lot of aluminum body panels, and carbon fiber driveshaft to boot! Similar to a bicycle/motorcycle, I care about what ‘components’ come on a car & what they’re made of, especially it you’re paying essentially the same amount of $$ overall. End of year 2001, I paid sticker ($48k) for a MY2002 ‘no options’ E46 M3 6-speed manual (they were selling for above MSRP back then); crazy that they’re essentially double that today! Getting back to the Giulia - it was completely trouble-free the entire time I owned it (four years), still miss it, too, would purchase again, especially since there’s probably discounts available, even nowadays.

[@roboticvenom1935]

Yeah this 230i is overpriced and its diff option is inferior. BMW nickel and dimes you for every option

[@eliotsalandybrown]

🤩I LOVE you pushing (responsibly) cars on the road and enlightening us with how they FEEL🤩

[@darksideemt]

This is really what I want to get my wife cause she wants a 2dr sports car again. She is leaning to a new GR86 but I prefer the size of this better as I am 6'1" and a bigger guy. We have had a 2020 Camaro LT1 which was awesome but I want a more practical daily than what the Camaro was. Awesome review and it helped solidify my thinking that this car is worth it.

[@roboticvenom1935]

This isn't that though, and again it has an open diff standard. You have to load up the options as it's a BMW The GR86 fits 6"1, lose weight if too fat

[@chrislaws9524]

Now we just need a 230ti with manual box and a bit of extra boost. All the funs.

[@Daveyboy_RS3]

Tryna stay close to the 40K mark, and this is the packages that I believe are a must. -M-sport Package $3250 (must have) includes: Shadowline Exterior Trim, Wheels: 18" x 7.5" M Double-Spoke (Style 848M), Bi-color, Tires: 18" All-Season Non Run-Flat M Steering Wheel, Rear Spoiler, Variable Sport Steering, M Sport Suspension, Aerodynamic Kit (Aero kit includes full front bumper with triangular intakes, side skirts, and rear diffuser from m240i, just like in the video. Dynamic Handling Package $1,900 M Sport Differential, Wheels: 19" x 8.0" Fr & 19" x 8.5" Rr (Style 797M), M double-spoke bi-color, Increased Top Speed Limiter, Tires: 225/40R19 Fr & 255/35R19 Rr Perf Non RF, M Sport Brakes w/Blue Calipers. (not only do you get the rear LSD, but some beautiful 19s with some really wide summer rubber, and the upgraded m240i brakes with 4 pot calipers in your choice of blue or red up front, and two pot calipers in the rear. obviously the dynamic handling package includes the 19s with the better rubber so the all season 18 inch wheels and tires that come with the 'M sport package' could be used as a second set of wheels and tires if you live in a four season area. they come included in the cost of the m sport package so why not use them or sell them. the the car already comes pretty well equipped as standard including :adaptive cruise control, front and rear park distance control, front collision warning, active blind-spot assist, lane departure warning, and speed limit information. In terms of comfort and gadgets, it gets an 8.5-inch touchscreen interface with all the latest connectivity features, including Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. And a ten-speaker sound system as standard as well. Premium package is $4,050 and I can absolutely live without any of it. but here's what's included: Ambient Lighting, Adaptive Full LED Lights, Comfort Access Keyless Entry, Live Cockpit Pro w/Navi, Head-Up Display, Heated Steering Wheel, Moonroof, Automatic High Beams, Connected Package Pro, Universal Garage-Door Opener, Heated Front Seats And if you are absolutely set on getting the double spoke by color 893m 19-in wheels that come on the top trim m240i, there is an option for them in the package named "Cooling and tire performance package" which for $2,400 include: M Technology Package, Wheels: 19" x 8.5 Fr & 19" x 9.5 Rr Double Spoke, Bicolor, Style 893M, Tires: 245/35R19 Fr & 255/35R19 Rr Perf Non-RFT These are some pictures of the wheels I'm talking about. if you can't live without these wheels, maybe you can work something out with your dealer for this set since your M sport package and dynamic handling package both come with a set of 19s and 18s (which I'm going to try and do) as these wheels are fantastic IMO. www.bmwblog.com/2021/09/10/live-photos-of-the-2022-bmw-m240i-coupe-in-thundernight-metallic/ Not quite sure why they call it the "cooling" and tire performance package. and I'm not sure what the M technology package consists of within this cooling and tire performance package. the final thing that I really would like is a moonroof and as opposed to spending over $4,000 on the premium package, they have something called the convenience package for $1,400 and includes: Ambient Lighting, Comfort Access Keyless Entry, Moonroof, Automatic High Beams. not sure about that one but I'll see if the dealer can play around with the packages a bit since some of them overlap each other on certain items. anyway if we're just discussing the M sport package and the dynamic handling package. total comes to $5,150 on top of the 36,350 which is a final price of $41,500 before destination, tax and tag etc. I think that's a great price, and nothing at around $40,000 is close to as good as an all-around daily driver with great power, and beautiful materials and refinement, that's also a true rwd driver's coupe that harkens back to some of the Great beamers like the E36 and E30 models...in my opinion

[@rembo183]

I have the 230i with convenience package and heated seats and steering wheel for $39,500. Great car!

[@GBurnYa]

Ordered a 2023 in BSM M sport fully loaded but without the dynamic handling package. Can't wait. My first brand new BMW.

[@roboticvenom1935]

Why? Open diff or not lol? Overpriced fully loaded, that much is obvious, and the depreciation off the lot of a 250HP loaded 230i is nasty.. Why?

[@GBurnYa]

@@roboticvenom1935 because I can. What kind of stupid q is that?

[@sirhcmi3]

I really wish they had a manual version. Even if it had to be ordered.

[@drumflip1253]

Just bought one with xdrive. It is a fantastic car!

[@ItsTheNada]

I love momentum cars. Nothing better for a spirited road drive or a fun day at the track. Also the insights in this video are superb

[@gamerclips1882]

Loved my 2015 228! Sold it as me and my wife were having a child and I miss that thing every day. Great commuter, and a fun weekend car. This one is way too expensive when I can get a m2 for the same price, or an m2c for a little more. Looking at a 23 m240 in a few years I think that will scratch my itch!

[@TheRedcroatian]

I see a lot of nostalgia in the comments for the E46 analog configuration. I can attest to that since I drive a 2002 M3 convertible. Currently for sale for $18K, it's a bargain compared to the cost of these new BMW cars. Not to mention more powerful, faster and more fun overall.

[@dodgers4121]

I got it last May (Thundernight metallic amazing). Very good car with a great engine. The M240 is too heavy and 380Hp are too many on this car. I prefer to drive the 230i very fast than the M240 at half power. BTW the base version is only 38K and it's already beautiful.

[@roboticvenom1935]

The rear end is known to be infamously ugly and is brought up on almost every review talking about, it's even in the comments lmfao. For $38K the features and equipment of a "luxury car" are simply not there, and you have an open diff. Not at all a proper drivers car with such a diff one wheel peel lookin thang

[@albertogonzalez1746]

@@roboticvenom1935get the M-Sport with dynamic handling package which comes with an LSD

[@MichaelRodriguez-vl8by]

The taillights look…..odd 🤨

[@Miniac1076]

This seems like a really nice car, it's a shame there's no manual option.

[@JGWhips]

Well done BMW and great review Matt and Zack. Love the 230i!

[@MountainMasella]

Masterworks got me feelin' like Jay Z "when the war calls for warhals hope you got enough space on your halls walls"

[@teemeaux3830]

Bought a f36 430i m sport. Chassis and turn in is fkn great. Great car to stretch out in the turns. Not a drag car. Not for “car guys”, more “driver”. IMO needs more top end power but my last car was gt350 so.. Mpgs are great. Engine is also co-signed by Toyota and zf8 is great so hopefully reliability matches. So far it does. would buy again.

[@roboticvenom1935]

GT350 is a proper drivers car, a 430i(overpriced) is not

[@teemeaux3830]

@@roboticvenom1935 430i(pre-owned/cpo) is great. it’s very much driver focused/experience compared to any commuter. Name any 4 cylinder, rwd, 5 door on sale in the us? 1 kia (cost more) the other is also bmw. IMO still 430i has no top end but maybe fixable. Still a great everyday car(b48) with autox/time attack potential.

[@GarageSupra]

I'm making a JZA80 Supra based on what you guys have been saying for years. Pretty much the opposite of the Supras you have driven. 550rwhp, 1.5 way Cusco LSD, a T56 Magnum 6 speed box. Upgraded bakes from top top bottom and Im up to the point of coil overs and tires. It's A street car with a lean to circuit racing. It's cars like this and the latest Lotus that make me say maybe I'll sell the supra but the lack of power puts me off.

[@ManinaGarage]

Less is more! Sounds like fun 🤩 Thank you Matt & Zack 🙌

[@HellaRandomVideos]

My man!

[@ManinaGarage]

@@HellaRandomVideos DUUUUUDE! 🙌

[@chrisw.2492]

Your review bodes well for the new M2.

[@hispanichipstervlogs8971]

You can tell you can feel the road nice in this cat thanks Matt you always got good vids man!

[@MatthewGaither]

Great review, team. These M-sport, 4 cylinder 2 series cars have been pretty good for a while, especially with the M-diff.

[@mikev.2945]

Yea, we had one for several years, they are brilliant cars. Overall, I prefer the 4 series, but for a small 2 door coupe, they are hard to beat.

[@stevebraverman5754]

I have one of these on order, and I'm very happy to hear everything you said about the 230i.

[@porfiriato84]

Since I want the M Sport package, I'm looking to get a lightly used one for around 39K I'm in love with this car!

[@paulpellico3797]

but....i REALLY love my 08 135i CONVERTIBLE with twin turbo straight 6. and for 68K it only cost me 8K two years ago wonder what the car would sell for today at 70k.

[@jeffsloane8628]

Great design and size, but did BMW get rid of the quality issues (timing chain guide) in their 4 cylinder engines? Their gasket supplier should also be shot as 100% of them turn to glass by 80k miles.

[@jimbradshaw4261]

Good review and great double act chaps. Love it

[@The_action_is_the_juice]

Matt's watch is worth more than that whole car. lol Awesome review as always.

[@AT-fi9dj]

When you describe the suspension it sounds like a well sorted aftermarket coilover suspension. Kind of harsh on bumpy roads, But great on canyon roads

[@tractioncontroldelete]

This review was really revealing! Plus I enjoyed this one!

[@sphaera3809]

I’d go for the standard version, more comfortable and probably just as fun.

[@postalpancho]

You probably don’t need the ELSD or brimbo brakes unless you plan to hit the track. But you will at least want to get the M sport package to get the sport tuned suspension. Other KZbinrs have mentioned that the M sport package makes a significant difference in the way the car handles.

[@roboticvenom1935]

It literally has an open diff and basic brakes.. Buy another car if you want a better balance of luxury/overall quality, like a Genesis G70, way more value for money

[@roboticvenom1935]

@@postalpancho uhh not having a diff absolutely is a big deal wether you're on the track or not haha

[@rembo183]

I found that the standard trim was enough for me. It was fast, handled great and was a thrilling ride. Plus it cost $39k. I’d say test drive one and see for yourself! I say Ignore the “negative Nancys”.

[@PhillyDee215]

I DRIVE NEW CARS EVERYDAY AND RIDE QUALITY JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER😎

[@baddriversofcolga]

I was "building" one of these on their website and in order to get the blue color not only do you have to pay $650 but you have to add a $3k package. At least you can get the seats in colors other than black without paying more.

[@ΧρήστοςΔενέχεισημασία]

That blue is considered an M division blue, that is why its name begins with M in the configurator, and they only provide it to m cars and cars with the m sport package.

[@mikesrandomvidz5844]

I’ll back y’all on this being a perfect money saver vs the punchier M240. Put the extra $ into all the MSport packaging to get the M Sport suspension and brakes and you’ll love it! Put mine on the track 2 weeks ago and was very impressed Vs my M340XI. Hands down more fun and more communicative with the driver

[@roboticvenom1935]

You have an M340i and you then bought a loaded 230i lmfao?

[@mikesrandomvidz5844]

@@roboticvenom1935 Let’s take it even further actually. Try 2020 X3M, to M340xi and 230i. Best car IMO of the three, 230i. Probably because it’s the most street driving friendly one and also handles in a more responsive and communicative way to the driver, which is what I was looking for. Besides that, you do what you gotta do when your Chevy dealer calls and you’re C8 order can be placed. I made the right move, because I got the order accepted by production control within a week which is unheard of, but when you got insider info, that helps too! Don’t worry, I’m not hurting at all over here on fun factor

[@lucassganderlla7305]

I weighed a ‘20 CS with a brake kit and half a tank of gas and it was 3425 lbs. Hard to believe that the 4cyl is now ~100 lbs heavier than one with an S55 in it…

[@roboticvenom1935]

Yep it is. BMW's weight is ballooning, the m240i is 3900LBS reviewers have..

[@MetikalMan]

2023 Non x drive 240i has to be the sweetest spot.

[@roboticvenom1935]

Still weighs like a pig

[@Schlipperschlopper]

Sadly soon all combustion cars and trucks including classics will be banned from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-( In Germany the Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025 on by reducing all conventional fuel stations to only one state operated central gas station per city or county. Car washs will be forbidden too because they are climate killers, now they want to slow down all the gas station pumps from 20 litre per minute to 2 litre per minute...From 2027 on in the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as exhaust systems, turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox oils...California and New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no investments should be done in oil burning cars any longer....They even created a new kind of crime here, called emissions and smoke crime.!!! (BABVVEN & TEBBVEN & BEFVO laws)!!!!!!!!

[@eb110americana]

An interesting comparison in terms of weight for turbo-4 cars. The Mustang is pretty much the same as this 230i: 3,512 lbs. auto versus 3,554 lbs., respectively, although it makes 55 more HP and torque. However, the Camaro 2.0t is closer in power to the 230i: 275 HP/295 tq. but it comes in at 3,351 lbs. making it a full 200 lbs. lighter than the Bimmer. Even in 4-cyl 1LE guise (discontinued trim) it weighs 3,414 lbs. The Camaro's back seat is useless compared to the other 2, but it might be another notch better, as the 230 is to the 240, in terms of light-on-its-feet handling.

[@Vision33r]

But people wouldn't buy a Camaro for the reason you listed. Basically no backseat to shave the weight down and the interior comforts are much better in the BMW in fit and finish too.

[@CarefreeRambler]

2018 Cadillac ATS 2.0t RWD vs 2022 BMW 230i RWD. Cady/BMW curb weight 3373/3519 lb., similar power, perfect weight distribution and beautiful chassis on both, lazy gearbox on Cady but 2 extra doors. Still looking for a replacement for my 2018 ATS rwd, BMW 230i rwd doesn't seem to be the one.

[@roboticvenom1935]

It's not, and ugly rear end

[@americanAlienBoy]

I agree about the previous generation car. Before I bought my M2, I had a 228 with the sport package. I also instructed in several M235s. The latter always felt like there was too much engine and nose weight for the rest of the car. The 228 was a well rounded package which could punch well above its weight class on the track. Looks like they did it again.

[@roboticvenom1935]

M2 has a bunch of weight on the nose

[@americanAlienBoy]

@@roboticvenom1935 52% for the OG M2, 53% for the Comp and CS. The F22 235 and 240 RWD were about the same as the Comp, the AWD had even more of a front bias. The suspension tuning and wider tires make the M2 turn in far better than the 235 or even the 228.

[@roboticvenom1935]

@@americanAlienBoy welp add wider tires(it can accommodate some wider tread) and that's mostly it? Stiffening suspension only does so much

[@americanAlienBoy]

@@roboticvenom1935 More like literally every suspension component is different. Control arms, steering knuckles, the works. The M2 suspension is the same as the non-adjustable F8x M3 and M4, with slightly different spring rates/shock damping.

[@qx4n9e1xp]

T-POSING IN THE THUMBNAILS, OH LAWD.

[@joshb7415]

I am just happy that the big guys like BMW, are still making proper drivers cars and not just 20,000 kg EV trucks

[@devinbaker8707]

"When you set it on the plate I want it to clank". Dead...like the cow.

[@ak2112]

Priced one of these out to $40k. Would be real nice for that price.

[@rembo183]

Absolutely! That’s what I got and it’s a fantastic ride. $39,500 MSRP! No mark up!

[@sleepyintoronto]

Todays video is brought to you by solid gold Rolex Daytona. Total boss watch. Very nice Matt…very nice!

[@RaindancerAU]

One thing that jumped out at me, disc size does not equate to stopping power right? It's clamping force and friction of the pads on the discs right? Disc size aids in cooling for repeated stops yes?

[@roboticvenom1935]

And piston

[@TCrimson05t]

Less is more. Looking at a 1 series for that exact reason.

[@LitleBear]

I was just behind a M240 coupe and the rear end is actually a deal breaker, it looks fugly from the back, worse than in pictures. Rest of the car seems pretty fun.

[@hotdog9262]

its worst angle but a supermodel compared to a vette

[@Canaz73]

1000000% agree. I just posted above. I had the purple 240 on order, when it arrived, I didn’t take it - got my deposit back. That back end is a massive, massive fail. So much worse in person

[@papa_pt]

@@hotdog9262 plain wrong

[@LitleBear]

@@hotdog9262 Well looks are subjective but the C8 is definitely better looking, especially in person.

[@hotdog9262]

@@LitleBear its allright but I prefer the looks of this car more. in any case was just talking about the behinds, always a decent topic

[@captainkirks7600]

Sweet car and great video. Kind of weird doing the questions to answer twice back to back though.

[@charlesrizzo8795]

I'll keep my 2018 with a 6 speed manual.... About the get the Stage 1 to open up the engine :)

[@silkypixel]

Exceptional review thank you!

[@dragospahontu]

I wouldn't feel comfortable paying more than $39,000 on this thing.

[@postalpancho]

You can get a 230i with M sport and delete the sunroof and you will be under $40k if you are interested. You won’t have the Brimbo brakes or ELSD but that should be fine as long as you don’t do any hard track days.

[@extrajava9175]

Lumbar can probably be activated as DLC

[@roboticvenom1935]

FYI the seat has lumbar. No joke, it has lumbar you have to pay to activate it BMW is a joke

[@cjmoritz]

This car just needs a change in tires Michelin ps4s 245 front an 255 rear an a tune an it’s crazy perfect

[@BrandonMeyer1641]

2 liter turbo 4 poppers kinda rule

[@poleposition3065]

Your ads are killin me

[@mraulsx]

Glad I stumbled on this review

[@SoapBox6]

I really wish they a) sold this in Canada and b) I didn't need awd in a daily

[@VanjaPejovic]

Speaking of the Gulia, it has the same weight and transmission, and more power and space. How does it compare?

[@chriscampbell867]

Question is, which one depreciates faster? Poor Italians 🤣

[@jimiverson3085]

@@chriscampbell867 Fix It Again, Tony.....

[@roboticvenom1935]

@@chriscampbell867 a loaded 230i will depreciate like shit too

[@oldkid6]

didn't expect to hear these kind of glowing remarks on a 4 banger. after the dealer marks it up you should be able to get one for maybe 60K

[@rembo183]

No markups where I purchased mine. Check with your local dealer.

[@De132an]

Boy, I want to be a billionaire too! Thanks Masterworks!!

[@JohnsArchipelago]

The M240i starts at $48,550. This 230i is like getting a $40K VW GTI, might as well get the Golf R. The incredible value in the GTI is that its often been the best all around car under $30-35K. I'd assume this 230i is the best 2 door all-rounder under $40K with an MSRP of $36,350.

[@m.hfitness]

Plus a manual option which is the deal breaker for me. I have zero interest in an auto.

[@machtschnell7452]

FWD architecture is never a good handling car.

[@vvevvevvvv]

@@machtschnell7452 you are talking complete nonsense.

[@freedbeefpontoons]

@@m.hfitness It's kind of a crime these cars aren't available with a manual. I'm glad they offer it on the M cars, but as an M2 owner, I agree with them that the sweet spot in the 2-series range in terms of driver engagement has always been at the bottom and the top of the line up. Sucks that when they FINALLY gave the lower end 2-series' an LSD they take away the M/T.

[@teemeaux3830]

I own a 430 and I call it the rwd gti. I literally chose it for rwd

[@dinosoarmotorsports]

It is worth it. And I only paid $40K...just need the Dynamic Handling and M Sport packages, nothing else. And delete that useless moonroof too! Great car, thought I did install 255s on each corner and a Dinan Sport tuner, but still great "outta the box."

[@phantom2k10]

I'm waiting for and hoping the g42 m240i rwd will come to the uk

[@Mamo878]

Stopped watching as soon as they said it's automatic only. That completely contradicts a 'throwback BMW.'

[@deathcab4booty]

Yeah, but BMW's manuals suck butts these days. The new M4's manual is vague and rubbery af and it was a complete afterthought to the car. BMW only still makes manuals for the American market and they put 3% effort into them. If a manual is put into a car, it needs to be a GOOD manual vs just something they slapped together for $20 over lunch

[@Dawson370]

They were referring to the styling of the car being a throwback, not the drivetrain.

[@squidwardshouse67]

BMW in general sucks butt these days

[@Mamo878]

@@Dawson370 Sigh. Wrong. OG, as in 4-cyl, RWD, 2-box shape You know, like the 2002 and E30.

[@teemeaux3830]

Manual guy here. Zf8 is plenty fun

[@KS-ro6in]

I am considering a BMW 230i but without the excess ( no track handling package, no sunroof, no premium or convenience pkg....Just color and 19s as options) stickering around 40k -41k....( the other choice is a Mk 8 GTI)...Still deciding..