BMW i4 M50 Range & Charging test v Tesla Model 3 Performance & Porsche Taycan 4S in cold weather!

[@robertvanzant2653]

You’re becoming the go to guy for EV information! Excellent video really enjoy your content

[@garywright7776]

He's not becoming the go to guy...he is the go to guy!! Excellent reviews every time.

[@Jeroenneman]

You can't be serious right? He's not charging all the cars to 100%. Can't really take that serious as a max range test. The 3D graphs don't add anything, except look flashy, but they're worse for readability. And the calculations don't match up either. Somehow the Model 3P gets 243 miles without preheat, but 218 with preheat, and somehow both numbers add up to 391km...

[@Robert-jx8nr]

So the bmw has more hp than the Porsche

[@rikardottosson1272]

I have been wondering about the lack of reviews for this car. This comparison test was perfect. In my mind this is the comparison that should have been done by everybody back when the car launched.

[@gust5992]

For average families, Tesla has the best value for money,…..no question about it. Thanks for the video,…..very well done and highly informative.

[@andreassoderberg1212]

Great work, this was very informative and non-biased video and I really liked that you didn't make this as a "Is this a Tesla killer" or " Is this better than Tesla" analysis video. So many videos like that out there and I don't get it, why so many need to find a Tesla killer. Tesla is a great car and I don't think there is going to be a single car that will be a Tesla killer, but since every car brand in the world is releasing EVs these days Tesla will surely loose some potential customers to other brands but they will still be there. I was choosing between Polestar2, Tesla 3 LR and BMW i4M50 I finally choose the BMW since my wife and son thought the BMW was the best looking out of the three 😀 cheers

[@updlate4756]

He didn't mention the optional wheel / tire / brake / spoiler package he has on the i4 m50 that reduces the estimated range by 43 miles (EPA). It may not be intentionally biased, but it's certainly misleading. The base i4 M50 tire package still has wider tires than the model 3P, but would have resulted in much closer range.

[@user-lp5ww5bt7w]

@@updlate4756 I think it is fair as both model 3 and the Taycan are having their performance trim and wheels as well. Well you can see the BMW, even having the performance wheel / tyres, still losing traction when accelerating hard, but not for Model 3 and Taycan. It would be even worse if the standard tyres are used on the BMW and just spoil the point for choosing the top performance model.

[@updlate4756]

@@user-lp5ww5bt7w That's the only wheel/tire set that the model 3P comes with, and frankly, it isn't exactly up to snuff for track. The BMW's package is, but it destroys daily driving efficiency. Therein lies the biggest problem. For someone who wants a performance car with solid range AND handling, the base BMW tire and wheel set is the way to go. The problem in this video is that the viewer is never told that the BMW has this option on and what it does to the vehicle's range. Hell, I didn't even know until I went to the i4 50's configurator. High performance tires are slippery in colder temperatures due to the rubber they use. In warm temps, they're pliable and sticky. In winter, they harden to something similar to plastic and become slippery. So there's no surprise there's wheel spin. That's why you should never use summer tires in the winter. The standard tires have the option to select all seasons. There's only one performance tire option.

[@bluetoad2668]

Did you not consider the model S? A much better looking car than the 3 and a much closer comparison to the BMW on price and features. Hatch back, adaptive suspension etc etc.

[@andreassoderberg1212]

​@@bluetoad2668I did consider it and love the car, but it's quite a lot more expensive (at least here in Sweden), and at the moment the Model S is a little bit out of my range. Thanks for the advice though.

[@toth1982]

I believe these kind of tests are the best: when they are tested at the same time. So there is no difference because the weather or road conditions. You are doing a great job mate.

[@MarkSanders77A]

Knocked it out of the park with this real world video ! Answers ALL the questions I’d ask. Well done guys- nails it 👍

[@chriswilson263]

Your reviews are outstanding, as you have an excellent relaxed but informative presentation style. Definitely the best EV reviews on KZbin. Thanks

[@danhill9534]

I do try and watch. Mainly when I go to bed as he puts me to sleep. Need somebody that knows cars to review them,

[@raremage]

Really great comparison vid. I traded my 2018 M3 ZCP in December for a Model 3 Performance and, while the driving dynamics are different, it’s still a fantastic driving experience. Both great fun for a gearhead!

[@davidlewis4399]

A gearhead it has no V8 or Gears and looks awful

[@philorgneopolotin8762]

David Lewis poor little fossil head stuck in the past. Sure thing grandpa it’s time for your meds

[@peterhammer4644]

raremage I traded my 2016 M3 ZCP to a Taycan 4S in May last year. Couldn't be more happy. Its very close in driving excitement to my 2011 M3 E92 I had before the F80 but I would say the E92 still just edges it with its fantastic S65.

[@hardywoodaway9912]

@@davidlewis4399 so it’s very unlikely to brake down, needs no maintenance and consumes way less energy, while being way more zippy.

[@gbw28]

@@hardywoodaway9912 & it looks really nice too!

[@thomasjacques5286]

I look forward to all your EV reviews. You're my favorite channel for EV info even though I'm in the US.

[@ezpoppy55]

Very nicely done. Real world, cold weather conditions, and traffic conditions the same for all vehicles. Gives a worthwhile comparison to make choices with. Thanks for great content!

[@wilber8260]

Thanks for another great video! I really appreciate these real world head to head comparisons. And your analysis of charge speed and range, etc quite useful. What i will say is that each car has various other attributes that you didnt have time to cover in this video. So i can see a person having good reason to favour one of the three for their own use. Glad there are these kinds of options for EV buyers.

[@RSEV]

Yes exactly, as I try to say they are all good, horses for courses etc. This is just a comparison of some aspects

[@fredmagne]

The standard version of the i4 M50 runs on 18 inch wheels, with 502 km WLTP-range. The tested version is equipped with 20 inch wheels with performance package and performance tyres, witch droppes the WLTP-range down to 417 kilometer. This trade-off has to be made as a customers choice, where the buyer choose to accept higher consumption and to loose range over grip. With 18-inch, the BMW will have better range than the M3P, with 19-inch they are about equal, and with 20-inch Performance, the M3P will overrun the bimmer in range significantly. Note: The BMW can also be specified with standard 20-inch (not performance) with a WLTP-range of 470 kilometer.

[@starlord2738]

Great to know. Don't know why something that has such a high influence on range isn't mentioned in the video.

[@benjaminwinrow9620]

Sometimes people assume that there might be a level of base knowledge rather than having to spoon feed stupid people all the time.

[@fredmagne]

@@benjaminwinrow9620 Totally agree, but by experience I know that minor facts, with a high impact like this, unfortunately not is commonly known. Especially that the Performance-package makes such a big impact, like in this case. Therefore, I think it would have been proper information to mention.

[@peterhammer4644]

Taycan had 21" in this test. No need to drop to 19", already 20" give a lot more range.

[@SamfromSparta]

First non biased review! Great job. Really enjoyed your review

[@scottmuir2385]

I am a petrol head - I own a 2019 F82 Competition Package & I am just not interested in electric just yet (know its coming), I clicked on your video becauseI saw you on CarWow! I am super impressed with your video Mate; very informative and unbiased - I appreciated the charging analysis and didn't think I cared! Well done and have secured another subscriber!

[@danh489]

These charging charts are a really helpful way of comparing the charging performance. Thank you.

[@UnipornFrumm]

so there it is,tesla cost less to buy and also cost less to refuell

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Wait for the German version(!)

[@stuartk5871]

Not the be all…

[@cr3ttzu]

Very nice that you included the graphs and the numbers. Previous videos you only mentioned and that made it hard to follow

[@TheRocky3211]

RSEV quickly becoming my new goto for EV video's , tesla bjorn who? good to see your channel grow, bringing this new great content with it.

[@RSEV]

Thank you!

[@willwonka1325]

M3P is the benchmark and still remains untouchable some 5 years since launch - you can’t help but think that the legacy manufacturers are literally years behind!

[@benjaminsmith2287]

Tesla has been making only EVs for much longer. Porsche is quite close. And it leads in mechanical refinement (at a price).

[@gavinderbyshire5535]

@@ArbitraryFilmings I think Will's point is BMW have brought out a brand new car that doesn't meet Tesla in price, performance or charging technology. Legacy haven't even got a decent charging network and don't quote rip off Ionity!

[@ewadge]

I’m really disappointed with BMW. I drive the BMW i3 which is certainly quirky and not to everyone’s taste but at least BMW were being really innovative. And it is a purpose built EV albeit designed for city use. This BMW is basically a 3 series with some some batteries shoved in and that makes it compromised. Now I don’t work at BMW and I’m sure they have some strategy and that BMW will eventually produce a purpose built EV saloon. When they do I expect it to be great. The i4 is not it yet.

[@Maarten_vd]

@@ArbitraryFilmings Yes the Porsche is absolutely the better performance car (Suspension, feedback, interior etc). But these aspects are simply interited from their knowhow and are certainly not EV specific. The EV specific topics are what Will was talking about assumably; efficiency of the drivetrain, batteries and engine. Simply looking at the chargespeed expressed in added miles per timeframe, the least efficient Model 3 (Performance version) is performing best while the car costs far less than the Taycan. Based on this key metric (combination of several EV specific factors) one can say that Tesla is indeed years ahead in EV tech. We can however not really compare them, the Model S was build as a family sedan, the Taycan as a sportscar (so efficiency was not the main focus here) and the Model 3 as an affordable car appealing to the masses. Maybe we will be able to see the real competitor to the Taycan one day (if ever), then we can judge how the successor/facelift of the Taycan will compare to the roadster. These are both build for the same usecase and costs roughly the same. We will see then if Tesla will be able to catchup to Porsche in terms of drivequality (Carbon brakes, better suspension etc). And hopefully, Porsche will bring us an entry car like the model 3 as well? Would be awesome if you ask me.

[@5893MrWilson]

​@@ArbitraryFilmings They are definitely years behind in production volume and Tesla's lead is growing in this aspect. Legacy auto's lack of EV production is why you see massive markups over MSRP for many non-Teslas. Many legacy automakers target production numbers in 2024/2025 that are lower than Teslas 2021 deliveries by a wide margin. Also, Tesla's battery technology, efficiency, and software are far better. I find it amusing that the only cars that can compete with Tesla, cost far more and only accel at a specific niche such as track performance or subjective looks. Overall, for the average buyer, Tesla is way ahead in the things that matter.

[@gathonar]

This is a great comparison video thanks, and it makes me want a Tesla more.

[@pauljoseph3292]

Common and underwhelming, go with a premium brand and not a car that looks like a cheap Chinese import.

[@Jeroenneman]

@@pauljoseph3292 Common and underwhelming in the sense of being more efficient and having a larger range dan both of the "premium" competitors?

[@JHClassics]

Thanks Richard, all your videos are good, but the comparison ones like this are the best, really helps people understand and get your head round the idea of the key information you need to be aware of to make an informed decision. 👍🏻

[@SirHackaL0t.]

So…. One car is the cheapest, quickest, most economical, cheapest to charge and doesn’t charge extra for heated seats and heated door mirrors. Nice. :) Oh, and quickest to charge. ✅

[@jonpetter8921]

Also that car has least comfort, least soundproofing, least interior quality, the ugliest, quickest ? i put my money on the M50.... Edit: wasn t the Porsche the quickest to charge ?

[@piyush83dimri]

@@jonpetter8921 word Tesla is synonyms to bad build quality

[@aaronthomas89]

bro the quality isn’t even that bad anymore, The M3P is extremely comfortable just cos it ain’t as comfortable as a car that costs 20k more 💀 doesn’t mean it’s a bad car . Build quality has improved and the tesla stereo system is a 15 speaker system made by ex bang and olfusen sound managers, sends the other cars optional stereos to the shops lmao. Soundproofing?? The car sounds absolutely fine, just another Tesla hater lol 😂

[@nanterre38]

@@piyush83dimri Current cars are not all the cars built in 2018...Quality increased significantly but people keep in mind old informations.

[@MiguelFernandes81]

@@nanterre38 old? Just go to Tesla Reddit and have a laugh then.

[@twotone3871]

Another excellent video Richard. All three are top cars. My geographical locations demands I have a AWD 4WD car - we had 50 cms of snow the last couple of days. I chose a Jag I-Pace - it even has a snow mode! Looking forward to the next video.

[@wpb1395]

Great review. Here in Australia the Taycan 4S is $206k and $124k for i4 M50 vs Model 3P $87k. Massive, massive price difference comparing these cars.

[@15bit62]

I definitely don't want augmented sound. My Tesla certainly isn't silent (road noise), but i like that it is "honest" with respect to the motor noise.

[@updlate4756]

You can turn it off.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@updlate4756 To my mind, it smacks of insecurity from the manufacturer and that they perceive the driver "needs" it....? Should have spent the money on the onboard charger?

[@santillbrezon2161]

Your channel is very good, and you explain things really well.👍

[@johandejong1463]

always nice to hear that your Tesla Model 3 is doing well. My Tesla Model 3 SR has done 60.000 km with an average use of just 14.4 kWh /100km (max speed normally 110 km/h and often 103 km/hr because of local speedlimits).

[@JKeep21]

As a man who has had the privilege to test drive all three of these amazing cars I have to say for me personally I preferred the BMW i4 M50 to the Porsche Taycan and the Tesla Model 3. The BMW felt so much more natural I ended up purchasing one myself and I don’t regret it. It isn’t the fastest by any means but it felt more comfortable and natural to me than the other two. My BMW i4 M50 is amazing I bought it 2 months ago and so far no real problems but it’s manufactured by the Germans what do you expect 👌

[@tomgore1959]

I did the same and MUCH prefer the sportiness and natural feeling the Taycan delivers.

[@ballamoto]

Some people are natural born presenters. You sir, are one of them 👍

[@gavinderbyshire5535]

Great review and I'm looking forward to seeing more of these real world comparisons. How about a day in the life of a Rep! start with 100%, blast from 1 destination to another and cover 300 miles in a day. These are the people buying this level of car and it would be interesting to see the difference, you could also throw in a diesel for cost/co2 comparison :)

[@RSEV]

Yep absolutely. We do film quite a lot of just general videos when out and about. See 400 miles in a day in a Vauxhall corsa and 600 miles in a day in a Taycan videos for example

[@sievans79]

It is disappointing Gridserve massively increased their charging prices in percentage terms. Going to 39p/kWh from 30p is a massive hike. They aren't alone in this. I know energy prices have increased, but massive steps in pricing aren't helpful. Starting to see a lot more queuing for charges around busy times, government needs to get involved with rapidly increasing HPC network.

[@timothyshanks6799]

Just read this, more like 75p per kW now... Not cheap to run electric these days

[@Keypoke]

Great video! But please don't use 3d charts, they just make the data much more difficult to read.

[@willieduplooy9587]

Great video again would also like to see the same video in warmer conditions 👍🏻

[@christopherthompson4464]

Top notch. Well done. The thinking person’s reviewer.

[@stmo6689]

The i4 has the 20 inches performance wheels. These drops the range of about 80km. So with the 19 inches aerodynamic wheels the BMW has about 80km more range and of course a better efficiency! Of course you couldn’t change the wheels, but to be fair you had to mention that these BMW wheels are performance wheels and exactly the opposite of being aerodynamic and efficient, also because of the performance tires! Sorry but this creates a very wrong image of the i4, which actually has almost the same range and efficiency as the Tesla but which the right configuration. On top of that the Tesla wheels were aerodynamic wheels. Nevertheless good and interesting video, but for the next time it would be better to be more informed of a car (in this case the i4) before making such a test.

[@ghp3f]

Agree 100%.

[@Jose.LQ6]

you can say the same for the tesla, the 19 inches with wheel covers give more range than the 21 inches used in this video

[@Ds-pw7gd]

The tesla performance comes with 20 inch wheels and it gets over 300 miles of range. The bmw gets like 225 mile of range on 20”s and if you watch this channels other video it doesn’t even get 200 miles. Oh and it also charges much slower.

[@pepstein]

Model 3 Performance comes with 20" wheels that are heavy and not particularly aerodynamic and Michelin Pilot Sport 4S summer performance tires that have fairly high rolling resistance. I think this is pretty similar to the 20" BMW with high performance tire package that includes Pirelli P Zero PZ4 summer performance tires. I think it's totally fair to compare these. That said, it is nice that BMW offer a wide variety of wheels and tires on this car. Tesla occasionally offers Model 3 Performance with 18" wheels, but most of the time the 18" and 19" wheels are only available on the lower horsepower cars.

[@Poke_Gallery]

@stmo And ? The Model 3 Performance also has 20-inch wheels, it's useless to talk about aerodynamic wheels when it’s not possible. The BMW and Tesla were both tested with 20-inch wheels and there Tesla is better. That's all. In this case, we could say that the Model 3 Performance with the 18-inch AeroWheels would have even more range. Your reasoning is ridiculous

[@thomassoderqvist4666]

Great video. Thans for being very objective in your analysis.

[@ABrider-f1c]

Your channel is impressive. I really do love your videos. Very informative, great content. Thanks (I just laugh a bit when you talk about cold weather hahaha), cheers from Canada.

[@Gaijin101]

Good Tests. Bjorn Nyland approves.

[@thorsev6960]

Bjørn would have had all cars start with the same SOC.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Bjørn did the test! 2000km, colder. With the Mach E, but the Porsche was there as a benchmark. Model 3 SR+ Spanked it.

[@andersbrathen]

Great real-world test!

[@blinking137]

Great review, thanks for taking the time to do this.

[@timoliver8940]

Had to laugh at your comment regarding the lack of Gridserve on the BMW satnav…………. My Mini Electric that uses BMW’s system shows me all the fossil fuel forecourts that there’s no way I would be able to use to “fill her up” - shows charge places too but is well out of date as my nearest charge hub used to be 4 chargers and it’s shown as that on the BMW map but for almost a year it’s been a Charging Hub with some 44 chargers at it, but BMW’s map is totally unaware of that. My car was built on 2nd Nov 2021 so it’s not like it’s a 5 year old i3……..

[@tronderikbrekke8792]

I love to see tests like this Richard, and you did a great job. Just a few things I would like you to address though. First of, why didn't you use preheating of the battery in the Taycan? Probably the reason why it didn't get into the high charge rates. I've done several charge sessions in temperatures far colder, and still achieved great charge rates. So it's absolutely possible, even when it's very cold outside. And that narrows that gap on long journeys vs. the Model 3. You need to stop earlier, but you charge quite a bit faster, and should make up the time lost on charging, and get there quicker. That's of course only viable if you need at least one charge stop on route to your destination. And the second bit was the bit about the acceleration differences. Now, the Taycan behaves very differently depending on the mode your in. You do of course know this, but the viewers might not. In Normal, the car will use second gear even from start, but if you do floor it, it will shift down and go. That will feel like a big delay, if you're used to the Tesla. However, if you're in SportPlus, that's not the case. It will use the first gear when you're driving slower, and second once you get up to speed. And it will not downshift when you floor it. At least that's how my Taycan turbo behaves. But I should think the 4S behaves similarly. And for that very reason I've setup my Individual program to function like a Normal mode, but with the Sport parameters for the drivetrain. So nice soft suspension, normal ride hight, regen on, electronic sports sound on and nice sporty throttle respons. I could base it of off the SportPlus program, but that has some disadvantages that will burn more energy. The cooling flaps in the front, will be open at all times while in SportPlus, and that might be nice for the battery, while you track the car and push it hard, but it will not be nice for the consumption to get less optimal airflow. And the wing will pop up when you get over 95km/h. Which looks cool, and helps with high speed cornering, but for longer journeys, it's not what you want. Oh, and I agree with you on the sound bit of the i4. I've not test driven the car yet, so I might react differently when I do, but I don't like the fact that the sound has a sound signature of something accelerating slowly. It's like an engine reving slowly. It just is a total mismatch with the speed. It sounds like you're doing 0-20mph in 10 seconds.

[@robinhunter4501]

You could flip that round - there wasn't the need to manually tell the car to preheat the battery in the Tesla as it knew a SuperCharger was part of the journey so sorted itself out automatically.

[@tronderikbrekke8792]

@@robinhunter4501 The Taycan does that as well. However if Richard decided to stop at another charge station, and not tell the car, it couldn't know. So you must either let the car decide where to stop, or add your own charge stops if you want to swap the ones the car picks for your own. It's actually quite identical to that of the Tesla. Sometimes you don't want to stop where the car wants, and add where ever you want to go instead. Drawback has been for the longest of times, you then had to plan your route one stop at a time. But I think there's been some updates adding the function to add stops to your trip. But my point is both cars does that part identical. So it's odd to say that the Taycan didn't preheat, without mentioning why. Since it do preheat if you use it correctly. And thus, it would have charged quite a bit faster. Mind you the Model 3 did preheat, and still didn't charge optimal.

[@harry-eto]

the only way to compare EV's. Same time, place. Well done🏆

[@NO3V]

Great video, love those same-time-same-road-same-speed tests! Do you shuffle around during the drive to avoid drafting advantages? (Or are the highways so full that everybody is drafting all the time anyway?) As a road-cyclists I think I can tell you that the effective range of a draft is surprisingly looong.

[@RSEV]

Thanks. Yes we swap around anyway despite busy roads. We try and get shots of the different cars etc

[@NO3V]

@@RSEV Awesome! Way awesomerer than that BMW unfortunately seems to be. At least it's obviously better and (here in Germany) not more expensive than the M440i GC which looks EXACTLY the same.

[@TaySo_Real]

@@RSEV why not have the models s that compares to that Porsche this seem biased to the tesla

[@IceTeaF00t]

Thanks man, you really helped me get over my uncertainty of ordering the right car :D In my country there are no Tesla superchargers and the Porsche is waaaay to expensive :D Just got my M50 order placed yesterday and I literally am like a schoolgirl with joy and expectations

[@RSEV]

👏🏼👍

[@damasku89]

As a BMW-Fanboy (later M-Models) and now Tesla-owner, this was the test I’m waiting for. Unfortunately the i4 has the same cons like the Polestar 2: weight, consumption, loading speed (adding km/min), ICE chassis. But the i4 has also same strengths like the Polestar 2: Matrix-headlight, tailgate, comfort.

[@peterhammer4644]

the comfort in the i50 is totally on a different planet compared to the Tesla.

[@nakkadu]

@@peterhammer4644 Not really, the Tesla is a really nice place to be.

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

Comfort wins.

[@stevelamb143]

Great video, and very helpful using real conditions for testing. As you say all great cars, the charging times are really interesting. Thank you.

[@arnozwegers38]

The BMW i4 (M50) also has the ability to pre-heat (or cool) the battery so that you can reach thr highest possible charging speeds - to use it plan the charging stops in the car's navigation. My experience shows that it will allow for much faster charging speeds and the cost of range is limited.

[@milesr3]

Hope you soon get hands on the 2022 M3P with the LG M50 battery and 534PS motors from the MYP.

[@RDowson]

The BMW has battery pre-heat. You can manually trigger it or it happens automatically when a charge point is set as the destination in the sat nav.

[@brandon7136]

Taycan does the same

[@davidwalsh9807]

Great review 🧐as always 👏🏼 very insightful

[@benjaminsmith2287]

It just seems to me we throw all of the criteria we used to have for comparing cars out of the window when assessing EVs. I know people are concerned about range, charging speeds and efficiency but at some point, we'll need to get away from that and talk about them as cars and how they feel. There's some of that here but still a lot of numbers which don't tell the whole story. What are customers considering the Porsche Taycan and BMW i4 looking for in these vehicles? Is it all-out efficiency or something else? And what are they cross shopping? I'm inclined to believe that if it is a Tesla, it's the S, not the 3. Maybe with the i4 the 3 might be considered, but probably not the 3 and Taycan.

[@simonchapman4015]

Good video. Can you do a test using the M50 with 19 inch wheels against the Tesla 3 performance? Good to see how much extra range you get with the slightly smaller wheel size, BMW claim an extra 25% range?

[@ewadge]

You are bringing some fantastic content. If you are willing to keep at it your channel will keep getting bigger.

[@davidleeming9842]

Easily the best EV reviews on KZbin. The real world comparisons cannot be beaten. I am disappointed in the BMWs efficiency and charge speeds vs the others, especially as I have an iX on order. Other owners of BMW EVs getting similar Wh/mi as this video. I really hope (but doubt) a software update will improve things.

[@dyhppyx]

Your data and methodology is awesome

[@bruceflyr7359]

Thank you for some more good comparisons some, watch this channel more and more.

[@josepablomolinacarrillo3621]

Great video as usual! Thanks!

[@StormsparkPegasus]

Teslas are WAY more efficient...there are other EV's that are better in one category or two here and there, but Tesla has efficiency nailed. Nothing beats the IPM-SynRM, and especially the heat pump in the Model 3.

[@filippxx]

I would add the software part is second to none on Tesla. Looking at BMW here, how can a manufacturer release an electric vehicle in a specific country without adding the charging network in the navigation ?! This makes the car useless for any long range work, if I go further than 300 km I shouldn't need to plan every segment of the drive on the phone or worse on a laptop. The car needs to do it !

[@romansenger2322]

@@ArbitraryFilmings old Model S are on different kind of batteries, dont have a heat pump and the motors are different compared to the Model 3. Wait till the refreshed Model S arrives in europe.

[@twotone3871]

The Tesla M3p is RWD and the I4 and Taycan AWD(4WD). So the difference in so-called efficiency is applying power to one motor versus two motors.

[@StormsparkPegasus]

@@twotone3871 No, M3P is AWD. So is the LR. Only the SR+ is RWD.

[@twotone3871]

@@StormsparkPegasus I beg to differ. The Model 3s are RWD and the P and LR have front wheel traction control - which is not AWD. The front wheels are only driven if the rear wheels slip, if preconditioning is on and for 5 seconds during a launch. As the front motor is if induction type the inefficiency of this motor is approx 90% and would draw too much energy if on full time. See Tesla Bjorn videos with the scan tool and look at the front power parameter. Its off most of the time. He even has a video from about one year ago where he asks for a snow mode.

[@srbs73]

Had my i4 M50 for 3 weeks. I chose the standard 19” wheels as they make a big difference on range compared to the 20” wheels. So far, happy with the range I’m getting. Did a run round the M25 to Guildford yesterday (170 mile round trip) and was getting 3 miles / kWh with the temp in single figures.

[@ralphthebulldog5163]

Are you still loving it? I'm waiting for my e40 delivery

[@srbs73]

Yeah, very much so! In the past two months I’ve done quite a few long journeys and the car has been great. My main gripe would be the availability of working chargers. I subscribe to Zapmap which does help but prefer to use the inbuilt idrive functionality. A good example is - where possible I use IONITY as with the 1 year free bmw charge card, you get fast charging for 40p kWh. If you programme the Nav to stop at Peterborough IONITY, it will automatically precondition the battery and you can see how many free chargers there are in realtime. Problem is, you see 2/6 are free but then you arrive and the 2 free ones are out of order! For me, most of the charging is done at home, but just a bit annoying when you do venture further afield and have to do it regularly.

[@ralphthebulldog5163]

@@srbs73 Brilliant, thank you. i only do around 40 miles per day in around Milton Keynes, but I do have a holiday to Cornwall booked which I'm dreading.

[@racecrashrepeat]

Ok very imporntatn question. Please tell us what your office chair is. Love it, ive been looking for a chair with a headrest and that thing looks classy. thank you. haha. Great video by the way as always

[@grahamsalmons2027]

This is a superb video, with excellent operational and buying advice. Please please do something similar with the i4 40, which obviously doesn’t have the performance but is more efficient. I want to order one I think and would really value your advice. In terms of production and presentation this is way up there with the best.

[@richardcorns8553]

Very interesting video. Love all your content. Keep it coming.

[@chrisgreaves5643]

Interesting comparison, clearly and concisely described. Your graphics for the stats are getting better and better too. Hard to better (could the lines on the chart echo the colours of the cars perhaps?)

[@florenciovela7570]

love your show & spacex. We traveled to Boca Chica to the the starshing get built. & we got the S dual motor fsd last Christmas 🎄 😎 still have the cybertruck tri motor or 4 motor fsd on order, i got lots of solar & backup battery system to charge them both. love tsla stock

[@jamesmoss9590]

Best EV KZbinr. Great car comparison!

[@user-lp5ww5bt7w]

Great content, very useful and clear analysis. Thanks a lot!

[@AdamCulf]

I have an M3P and love the silence. I can't understand why you might want the noise. In the good old days the noise helped you change gears. Now you don't need to. I'd rather the music, or silence. If you want to hear noise, play V10 F1 sounds on the stereo!

[@Gielleyssens]

Love your videos! Maybe you could make your graphs in regular 2D format, as the 3D format adds no info and makes them harder to actually read. 2D with colored lines is perfect!

[@russvague2748]

Tesla Model 3 performance in UK is £60,000. Is that with VAT? Great comparison video!

[@RSEV]

Yes incl vat

[@updlate4756]

This i4 M50 being used here has the upgraded brake, wheel, tire, and trunk spoiler package which shaves off 43 miles of EPA range. (Not sure what that is for WLTP) The 20" tires with 255 mm width fronts / 285 rears are likely having the biggest impact. The base tires are 245 front / 255 rear, so this package increases all around tire width by 80 mm of additional contact. The model 3's tires are 235 mm on all four corners. The i4 has 140 mm of additional tire width contact in comparison. The base tires have 60mm of additional tire width contact compared to the model 3P. Using the base tires on the i4 m50 may have increased its range proportionally by 37 miles, increasing the 198 figure to ~235 miles, which puts it slightly behind the model 3's estimated range without pre-heating. Should also be noted that BMW is supposed to allow for pre-heating when navigating to a charger. Not sure if you could have just selected a charger nearby on the navi to get it to pre-heat. Sounds like another case of an established OEM having an understated range, whereas Tesla has an overstated range. In terms of EPA, this configuration of the i4 M50 (with tire/wheel/brake package) is only rated at 227 miles of range. The model 3P is rated at 315 miles. An 88 mile difference. Yet, your test only has the difference at 45 miles. With the base package the i4 M50 is rated at 270 miles. 45 mile difference. Yet according to your test, the difference may have only been 8 miles. Would have been nice to see what the range would have been if you all hadn't been repeatedly hot dogging it. Obviously it's going to take a lot more energy to speed up the heavier Porsche and BMW versus the Tesla.

[@onlineo2263]

They test the cars they can get hold off, so I imagine the BMW was either a press car or a friends car, same with the Tesla. Put 18 inch wheels instead of 20 inch on the model 3 and it will do an extra 40 miles epa.

[@RSEV]

Al on their least efficient wheel package. But it’s what I had. The bmw press car and my own Porsche and Tesla. Sorry but it’s the best I had and if anyone can put together a better comparison fair play. Can you imagine I test the bmw on 18’s and the rest on big wheels.. is that more fair?.. Etc

[@updlate4756]

@@onlineo2263 I don't mind that this was the car he tested... I mind that he wasn't transparent about it. The model 3P only has the option for 20" wheels. (At least in the US) Sure, people can put on all sorts of aftermarket equipment on to increase performance or range.

[@updlate4756]

@@RSEV The BMW only comes with 19" and 20" wheels. I don't mind you testing the version of the car you had , but transparency about the wheel package would have gone a long way. Doubtless people will watch this video and not realize you're using that package, they won't read the comments, and they'll rip BMW for underperforming their range estimates; claiming that Tesla is superior. Even potentially impacting buying decisions. They'll never realize the base tire package gives it nearly the same range as the Tesla. Anyways.... I'm just doing what I can do to keep people fully informed.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

I see the "big book of BMW excuses" has been written.

[@KenKJF]

Great review! Could you tell which one has less road noise on the motorway? Hope you can run some dB tests in the future. Have a lovely day!

[@maxgreece1]

Any chance of a comparison of the autopilot on these cars? One of the biggest appeals of the Tesla was having it doing the donkey work on boring motorways. Are the others as good? Better?

[@RSEV]

I cut out a segment about that because of fears video too long… Bmw system is actually very good to be fair. Equals the Tesla with the upgrade enhanced AP. My Porsche is basic and doesn’t have that stuff 😂💁‍♂️

[@X5one67]

Excellent video im waiting for my i4 m50

[@RSEV]

👏🏼👍 which country are you? Any eta? My order in UK was pushed to June.

[@X5one67]

Im in uk i ordered end of sept . I checked on bmw genius they are saying order is factory processed and estimate production start mid may with delivery june 22

[@sargfowler9603]

So the big battery vehicles would probably be beaten by a standard range Tesla model 3? Nice review even if you nearly froze!

[@RSEV]

If you see our recent 3x model 3 video - it was filmed at the same time… so yes 😬

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Case in point. 2000km, arctic circle. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6uXY2ywrtmYi8k

[@jeffreylinehan1613]

Fantastic review. Thanks. For the money the BMW isn’t bad, it would want to be-I have on ordered 😳

[@nickieredshaw7835]

Thanks for another update video

[@minso8164]

Tesla is incredible. By far the cheapest but just as quick/fast or quicker/faster than the Germans. And much lighter and more nimble. And with its supercharger network. And much more efficient with a longer range.

[@recklessrogue9027]

Another great video I love the convoy tests! Tesla showing they are still so far ahead of the german rivals (talking BMW not Taycan as that should really be compared to the Model S). The M3P is more responsive, has a higher top speed, weighs less, better looking imo, faster charging, higher range, better efficiency, costs less, preconditioning for supercharging and of course having the supercharger network itself. Honestly the lack of the hatch is the only downside to the Tesla.

[@bluetoad2668]

I think the BMW should also be compared to the model S. Once you add on all the extras to the BMW you've almost got to the same price (as long as you don't put FSD on the S)

[@lubder]

You can look at it that way, or you can be happy about better comfort, air suspension, noise insulation, better headlights with optional laser light, HUD, adjustable recuperation with auto mode which also can seamlessly blends into the mechanical, much more choice and customization options, nicer materials and better workmanship, better and nicer seats, a display behind the steering wheel, better acceleration between 100-200 for the highway, a working traffic sign recognition, a working rain sensor, assistants with less phantom braking, apple car play and many other things... And if it is true that the BMW had the optional 20-inch performance tires, the consumption is also put into perspective a bit. The Model 3 certainly consumes less, but the difference should not be that big. Don't get me wrong, the Model 3 is an excellent car, no question, but don't just list what Tesla is good at and act like everything else is irrelevant. The acceleration from 0-100 is even more irrelevant in everyday life than that from 100-200, at least in Germany, if you want to overtake. It always depends on what is important to you

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@lubder YOU explained very well why it should be compared to the Model S! (Which would have been mid price between the other two!) Not only that, but the model S would have virtually completed the route in both directions without charging (maybe a 5-10 minute top-up)

[@lukassimko8959]

Best lineup you can do!!! 👏🏻👏🏻

[@sale666]

The question remains if those chargers share some energy at some point as all 3 of them could pull 200kw+ and end up using 600kw at the time so some of them might charge slower! I had this happen when someone connected and the charging speed went down!

[@senscherbakoff4686]

Great review !!

[@twotone3871]

HI Richard, Tesla Bjorn is reporting this new snow mode and in it he explains how the new traction and stability control changes the characteristics. I'm wondering if this invalidates all previous tests and comparisons. Anyway, in benign conditions and temps above zero C the traction control wouldn't engaged and the Model 3 is essentially RWD only. An apples comparison would then be with the Taycan in Range Mode where it reportedly uses FWD only or maybe with the Taycan RWD. The BMW has two PM motors and permanent AWD so wouldn't be a fair comparison. To ensure the Model 3 isn't disadvantaged, do not set the destination charger in the nav system to ensure pre-conditioning is not turned on. This would be a fair comparison.

[@leeebbrell9]

I test drove an i4 last week, edrive40 the acceleration using petal was much more responsive compared to a normal 330 coupe

[@bigjohnboy271163]

Another great video many thanks

[@simonhobbs9097]

As you say Richard all good cars, just depends how much you have/want to spend on an EV.; keep the data coming.

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

Good to have choices now - which suites better then Tesla in the EV world. Great real world review.

[@patrikmedia]

not a fan of those 3D graphs, hard to read while moving, especially with that added depth. would definitely recommend to stick with regular 2D lines instead. insightful video nonetheless, thanks!

[@zippodk]

Great comparison👍👍

[@chuchum3]

Oh come on while you're already at it there should have been a drag race like your buddy Matt! lol

[@henrymok8740]

Here in Hong Kong the Taycan 4S costs 4 times, & BMW i4 M50 costs 2 times of Tesla M3P.

[@Hundredthldiot]

There's an error in the chart at 14:00. For the M3P incl. pre-heating the 218 miles has not been converted to 351km, it's been copy/pasted to 391km.

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

Re run the whole test. It's flawed.

[@rono33]

outstanding info top to bottom..thanks!! liked and subbed

[@BHBeckenbauer]

He keeps saying ‘this isn’t an economy run’ but then talks so much about their economy/efficiency Also - the i4 has a battery preheating function but they didn’t use it here

[@rogerstarkey5390]

"a preheating function" which would have reduced the economy!

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

Very interesting information. I believe there was a little error in your adjusted range for the Tesla - the kms were the same even when the miles were adjusted.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Great video mate

[@electrichome6933]

Thank you, well done. Great video. I prefer the Model 3. Where is the frunk in the BMW. It is not designed as a electric car. Bad half hearted job BMW.

[@IMon503]

What was the difference in cost of charging and price per 100 miles

[@brettsta72]

Class content. Thanks so much.

[@jarsmoreira]

Hi, Very good video!!! I liked a lot, that you also added the cost, even if charging at home is less expensive, as it gives a good idea of the cost for long travel. Even so and as you pointed out, being that cost high, one does not need to do rapid charging for daily commutes, therefore the running costs of an EV will be lower than an ICE Car. Nevertheless the above and for a next time, would it be possible to also give the data, comparing the actual energy spent on the trip, versus the actual energy charged (charging loses)? I would say, that besides the efficiency of driving the car, charging loses for each different car, can affect the actual running costs. I'm quite interested in such, as I see that in average, my EV (Mini Cooper SE) in winter (Norway), has been having an average charging loss slightly above 20% (that I don't know if it's high or low, as usually such data is not provided in these kind of independent tests). Just a curious fact around the charging loss, is that it looks that the slower one charges, the higher is the charging loss. Thanks!!!