BMW M2 vs BMW 1M | New vs Old - BMW’s best baby M cars

[@CARmagazineTV]

Which would you rather have? M2 or 1M? Let us know!

[@leenperjasknegt]

1M 😀

[@Kelveron]

1M2

[@kayronmercieca8226]

Newer, so M2. Extremely rare is the time that I'd prefer something older. The new G87 M2's design isn't perfect, but to me it's better than the older F87 M2 as well.

[@matt2tz]

1M all day! 🔥🔥🔥 The only thing possibly nicer on the M2 is the more modern headlights, put that on the 1M and wow! ❤

[@psewgobind]

For driving enthusiast, lighter weight is preferred, but M1 tiny cockpit will not accommodate.

[@panayotiscoucopoulos5325]

1M, one of the best M cars ever made. The feeling of the hydraulic steering is undoubtedly superior to any M2 that came after it. And it does not lack in power to the M2’s. Definitely won’t be repeated again.

[@papa_pt]

BMW never got steering right again after going to EPS and the F series cars

[@samcourt6228]

@@papa_ptthe early EPAS in the E series cars is better than that of the F series cars. The system in the G series cars is even worse….it’s absolutely hideous.

[@psgp298]

@@samcourt6228 EPAS was still a hydraulic rack on E8X/E9X cars, but just electrically assisted. with the F cars, they went full EPS which sucked so bad!!!!

[@psgp298]

@@germanengineering204 unlike you i've driven all of these cars----and you're totally wrong. it's not just steering, everything is more direct. you are actually driving it not just a bunch of computers and settings in the CPU. cars like the 1M will always be celebrated more--just like the older M3s were before that.

[@germanengineering204]

@@psgp298 Yeah you would know what I've driven., because we know each other so well lmfao!

[@TheActionslaxx]

Congratulations on completing a 1M review without using the word ’skunkworks’

[@CARmagazineTV]

😂

[@dylanbland]

I bought a 1M brand new in 2011 and only kept it for 3 years because I needed the money to buy my first house. Love having a roof over my head - but, regrets! I knew it would be special for a long time.

[@MrLoose26]

you still got to enjoy it before having to pay for expensive maintenance costs, wise decisions imo

[@dylanbland]

@@MrLoose26 that's a healthy way of looking at it!

[@BMW1M]

@@MrLoose26 1M’s appreciate way faster than maintenance costs could ever accumulate 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@germanengineering204]

Get a Porsche next time, and you'll have a much better car than 1M, and way more reliable!!

[@ericcarson342]

1M all the way. So unique looking but I understand, priorities. You'll get it back, just keep working hard. You might pay more than double than what you sold it for but if you miss her that much go for it. The prices are wild but it's a special car.

[@dariuslatamus]

1M owner here. Thank you for getting the specs of the engine correct on the 1M, unlike one of your YT rivals. Ya, that's right, I'm looking at you @topgear

[@CARmagazineTV]

😏

[@BMW1M]

Poor Ollie… he’s not going to live that one down

[@grigorioschristodoulou5229]

3 turbos, right?

[@ozo310sk8]

1M all day. Perfect balance. I still refer to my F87 M2C as a piglet. G87 is a rolling pig bin.

[@panamera53]

If it were my money I'm taking the 1M. It looks better, and it was a time from BMW that we'll NEVER see again.

[@dp2901]

Bought my 1M new in 2011 and it’s still a riot. I still remember the last instructions my SA gave me. “Don’t ever turn the DSC off unless you want to die.” I’ve test driven every iteration of the M2 and they just don’t recapture that rare 1M magic.

[@BMW1M]

I drive with TC fully off regularly 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@DatM135i]

Lmao even my 120d e82 had one of the most aggressive kick outs id driven at the time so I sort of believe the SA lmao

[@alv8253]

I too bought mine new as well and I'd have to agree with him! Btw, 1M all day long but I'm biased.

[@zaahidmrmuscle9875]

Yeah it's still got a N series engine ...

[@matthewnicholas6365]

When the 1M came out they compared it to an e46. The M2 is now bigger in every dimension and heavier - even than my e46 convertible. I'm not under any illusions that the more equipment a car is expected to come with, but you come to a point where you're just throwing stuff in there

[@psgp298]

the 1M is the ultimate M car----WOW it looks insane in this video. What a legendary machine.

[@zaahidmrmuscle9875]

Ultimate M car with a N series engine 💀

[@rudig07]

You forgot to mention the E92 / 90 M3 Servotronic Hydraulic Steering was also used for the 1M.............which is great. Planted, accurate & communicative.

[@prashanthp5448]

With each new M2 iteration, the further it is from the values of the 1M

[@JacesOwnWorld]

No brainer here. Its the 1-Series M

[@cklam8722]

The iconic 1M, no doubt.

[@GordonGreenCincinnati]

The crazy thing is that the 1M if you can find it is usually $50,000 more than the new M2

[@BMW1M]

Unless you buy it in Australia. In which case you’d pick a 1M up for USD 40k / AUD 60k / 31K GBP

[@neetulshah445]

1M looks so clean compared to this M2 monstrosity

[@VarioFelce]

🤣 savage but true

[@DaleSteel]

Fool

[@2seep]

Still looks ugly tho

[@unowen-nh9ov]

Classic BMW I6 long hood short deck in 1 of the last 3 box coupes, BMW design this century has doubled their volume in new segments while separating drivers from trolls (2+ million annually of former, 20X that of latter, both record #s). 1M was accused of being "parts bin special", good parts evidently because it's been appreciating since new. You'll miss monstrosity once it's gone, last & smallest stickshift turbo I6 M. I miss the good old days, when design was subjective & not determined on the internet by haters will never be able to drive, own or afford this or any other BMW.

[@MuppetsSh0w]

brainwashed

[@davidhunternyc1]

The 1M is good looking, handsome even, and muscular like a bull dog, but not jaw dropping like a 70's era BMW 3.0CSi. Few cars are. I get that Car Magazine has to make money but stop spreading BMW marketing propaganda. The new M2 is hideous. Don't mock your audience.

[@lewiskariukimunene]

The 1M looks amazing

[@prashanthp5448]

The new M2 is a hideous looking thing. The 1M has timeless aesthetics.

[@JohanCoetzer-uj5nm]

BMW 1M = 369 lb-ft BMW M4 G82 = 479 lb-ft Does not equal 37 lb-ft difference

[@jklmnop-543]

new over old S58 is a real M motor and a beast

[@samcourt6228]

The N54 was available it lots of other cars too, including the 135i. That was the thing that upset the purists, the turbocharged engine and lacking the S designation was sacrilege at the time. I’ve always loved the 1M, they look so perfect. The skunk worse nature adds to the story. The new M2 is hideous. Massively quick, very good to drive by all accounts but it’s a big, fat, heavy munter.

[@sputnikalgrim]

I’ll take a 1M any day

[@gmain1977]

1M looks like its been in a vice looks narrow. Previous M2 is better looking than the 1M and new M2

[@Franzino]

True... :)

[@HaeeyyProductions]

What’s the intro song? I didn’t see anything in your description.

[@carrier7676]

Just on looks alone I'd take the 1M. The new car looks like it was designed and built using mega-blocks, its horrible!

[@pb5x5]

Comes with an after market front bumper from the factory.

[@f00lxpl]

1M any day

[@andrewfossatti4937]

So sad the 1M looks so much better than modern M cars even 13 years later…😢😢😢

[@peterbennpan7288]

Car manufacturers now need to start making mad & bonkers cars while they can before the combustion engine comes to an end.

[@gerrysweeney3296]

Z4MR/C is up there with the best M cars, a fantastic engine s54 and the running gear from the csl and that paired to an LSD and awesome sound makes for a great drive.

[@ALMX5DP]

Maybe an unpopular opinion but I always thought the 1M deserved the S54. That being said, even as is, 1M all the way over whatever the heck that newer thing is.

[@BMW1M]

That would have been an awesome combination!

[@intelligentcarreviews8592]

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[@BMW1M]

@@VidNibs love the E46 chassis, and love the sound of the S54 with a good intake and headers ❤️ Don’t love the SMG-2 though 😞

[@Twinturbovan]

The new M2 is hideous. There is no way of making that monstrosity look good. The 1M and 135i looks 100% better.

[@jonny5777]

I almost bought a 1M when it came out but talked myself out of it. One is for sale now for £90,000 😢

[@mediocreman2]

That M2 is very painful to look at. Somehow the 1M looks more modern. Or at least much more congruent.

[@chadmackie]

These things are the same price where I live

[@Bmontepeque11]

The M2 is fine enough :) but in this case 1M for the win ❤️ It looks better, it's more mechanical and engaging, and it's more reasonably powered :) BUT! If BMW made the new M2 good looking and got rid of the stewpid iDrive 8 and all of the other complicated infotainment things, we could just say "Oh, the M2 is a great update of the 1M concept for this era of digitalization :)"

[@patrickmcgowan7826]

Mischievous, not mischevious

[@mauricetoussaint7283]

The new M2 is really ugly from the front and I mean UGLY.

[@tankman66]

Idk that S58 in the new car makes it a powerful machine

[@MrAdambinnie]

Absolutely superb video 🎉

[@CARmagazineTV]

Superb comment 👌

[@efit4255]

1m is so good but I hate that front end , can’t have it all I guess

[@Twinturbovan]

To be fair the 1M sitting by the M2 on the cover picture makes the new m2 look outdated. The m2 looks like bmw dedigners got lazy and copied a scion xb and made it into a car.

[@karolmaciejewski340]

ZF is much better choice for new M2

[@grigorioschristodoulou5229]

It’s a very personal preference. I test drove a ZF G87 and I found the gearbox weird. Actually it feels like the engine/flywheel has too much inertia. So in S3 the wot upshifts are very good but everything else has this jerkiness, like a noob manual driver. S1-2 are smoother but I don’t want slow shifts in a sports car. While I do prefer manuals, I’ve driven an Alpine and a 992 PDK and both boxes were great. I didn’t feel that they detracted from the experience. Even a 520d with a ZF didn’t bother me, but somehow the G87 did. Just went out and tested a manual G82 this weekend and the car suddenly felt a lot less digital than the G87 Auto. Everything was business as usual

[@CharmingChowder]

That beauty of 1M is just breathtaking. New BMWs are just getting hideous looking 😢

[@friguy4444]

But, But, BUT THAT'S THE N54 ENGINE IN THAT LITTLE BEGGAR!! I thought the N54 blew up as soon as you even LOOKED at it! I thought it was THE WORST ENGINE ever produced by BMW?? I thought it was nothing but HEADACHES and HE11 !! LOL. Well that's what many youtubers and internet people say or have said. Including Tyler Hoover who even said it was the "Worst engine from BMW in the TITLE of his video! Mind you then he went out on the track and the only troubles he had was the boost intake hose blew off once then proceeded to try to break it on track but only had a good time so he hated it.

[@markpurcell7236]

Would prefer the old one but I didn’t think it was a twin turbo. I thought it was twin scroll single turbo? I might be wrong though

[@mashinajoe]

No. The 1M is N54 powered. N54 is twin turbo. N55 is single twin scroll turbo, which bmw calls twin entry.

[@BMW1M]

Ollie got it wrong, very wrong. The 1M does indeed have 2 turbos

[@markpurcell7236]

@@BMW1M yeah I’ve watched so many videos on the 1M recently (Shmee has one now) and was trying to remember which one said it was single turbo. Cheers

[@pagen1963]

To put this to bed… “BMW United Kingdom Corporate Communications Media Information 10th December 2010 Drivetrain: The new BMW 1 Series M Coupé has at its heart a high revving, in-line 6-cylinder engine with twin turbocharger, direct injection technology and double VANOS variable valve timing to develop a maximum output of 340hp. Such performance equates to a highly desirable car that takes just 4.9 seconds to accelerate from zero to 62mph. The BMW M tuned twin turbocharger technology used consists of two relatively small turbos which, because of their low inertia characteristics, are active at even low engine speeds, ensuring no turbo lag, yet a peak power output which is achieved at 5,900rpm.”

[@BMW1M]

@@pagen1963 you could have just asked me for photos of the 4 *pairs* of turbos I have removed from my 1M on my journey to 700hp 😅

[@aaronalvarez6542]

100000 % 1M Si te tendría un M2 pero para regalárselo a mi esposa 😅 Amo mi 1M alpine 2012

[@HTH88]

The new M2 a baby M? It weighs the same as BMW E60 5 Series M5. The 1M is made in Germany. The "M2' is made in Mexico. The latter is no longer an M. Would a Ferrari be a Ferrari if it was made in New Zealand? Enough said.

[@haggisnilsson]

M2 was designed by a two year old...... ?

[@richardmesser1091]

Built in Mexico

[@skyerj]

😂

[@GasGunsGod]

1M and V8 M3 are the best M cars ever made period. Fight Me.

[@BobbyDazlerRS]

the m2 is one chubby, ugly baby M car.

[@PHFilms3]

People said the exact same throng about the 1M when I came out

[@DjNikGnashers]

@@PHFilms3 The 1M is the ugliest thing to ever come out of BMW, it's too short, horrible front end, too much bodywork above the rear arches, too tall, it's horrible.

[@jimbaranresidence8]

1M made in germany, M2 made in mexico, M from germany made prefer....

[@anthonytimesone3695]

N54

[@tomcat7525]

How do they make a small sports car so heavy? Ugly must be heavy.

[@Adam-hq7ob]

1M

[@jhonjhonsos8858]

1M 😍

[@33MICKYBOY]

1m

[@markcompton6750]

BMW M2 Carbuncle.

[@roadreg1820]

I could have sworn I have seen the same guy review the same cars, or at least the new M2 on another channel?

[@CARmagazineTV]

We’ve reviewed the M2 against the Cayman GTS on this channel, but James only appears on CAR magazine (and occasionally Parkers Cars)

[@joshn.5625]

The M2 (and other current BMW offerings) is so hideous it doesn’t matter to me how well it drives. I’d take the 1M for that reason alone.

[@TYAC_red]

E36 320 318 are the winners of 24 hr Le Mans. E90 320 BTCC. Everything else do not matter to me.

[@MrPens87]

Now get your hands on a M1. No balls.

[@Ахи-б9х]

Оба❤❤🤗😍👿🚀👌🤝👍👉🔊👌👍

[@adi8216]

///M2 is a beautiful car, the front shares e46 vibes and the rear shares e90 vibes, the only sad thing is that BMW became a troll object on social media.

[@richardmesser1091]

Made in Mexoco

[@DouglasJWalker]

Renault used suck parts borrowing on their cars in the past

[@xwin557x3]

Reliability aside - the 1M is among peak BMW. M2 is a bloated tech fest.

[@stevep9041]

BMW’s can look hideous, this new M2 is no exception.

[@ZDY66666]

People are so ignorant. The engine in the 1M is literally a piece of unreliable garbage. Actual ownership experience living with it every day is very different than a short KZbin Review.. you'd be crazy to not take this M2 over the 1M. The M2 engine is one of the most reliable BMW has ever made alongside the B58, in its entire automotive production history so far. Looks so matter but not to the extent of literally nightmares you'd get with the 1M lol

[@CARmagazineTV]

Plenty of owners seem to love their 1Ms! Sounds like you didn’t enjoy owning yours?

[@kumamon649]

My daily car is a 1M since 8years - 160.000km, no prob. love this legendary car. each new M2 is compared to the 1M and it's always the same result, bmw failed to make a car wich give emotion and seems to be trying to kill the driver like on the 1M ^_^

[@That0neSRT]

f87>g87

[@arymonem]

This M2 is simply incredible. BMW did something absolutely amazing, it’s a slam dunk. Everything it does, it does it damn well, it’s an instant classic.

[@georgejonson9463]

BMW sure has lost its way...

[@pearsebarrett2660]

350 kg kerb weight difference your quoting 🤦‍♂️ 1650 kg F87 against 1730kg G87 that’s only 80 kg difference.

[@DjNikGnashers]

I am a serial BMW owner, love them, and still own one (M140i). I should love the 1M, but I never did, even when it was new, and still don't. The 1M is not 'one of the greatest M cars' and I place it way down the list. It's ugly. It's too short, has a very ugly front end, the amount of bodywork above the rear arches looks horrible. The lights are so ugly too, and it isn't a great handling car at all, even Chris Harris struggled to keep it in a straight line, and none of us have his driving talent. It's just a parts bin special. The only good thing was hydraulic steering. It's simply a dumpy looking thing, too tall, too short, and not really designed properly from start to finish like a real M car should be. The new M2 isn't the best looking car, but it's MUCH nice than the 1M. The M2C of the last gen was basically perfect. Enough power, coupled with beautiful and perfectly proportioned bodywork, playful but controllable fun handling, and reliable.

[@psgp298]

you post this crap on every 1M video! LOL. clearly you are totally obsessed with the 1M like everyone else! Now i can tell why you are a failed car journalist!

[@grigorioschristodoulou5229]

Truly r/unpopularopinion

[@Franzino]

I share the same opinion...test drove the 1M for a full day, then test drove the F87 M2 for half a day. After driving the F87 M2 for 15min I knew it was more my kind of car and ordered one instead of buying a used 1M which was not 100% my taste (in driving and styling).

[@BMW1M]

@@grigorioschristodoulou5229 read again what the OP said. He’s looking at the car, and trying to channel/live vicariously through car journos. He hasn’t actually *driven* the cars. There is no-one I have even met, that has *driven* the 1M, and still places any other BMW above it. Not one. Including me (serial M car owner)

[@psgp298]

@@Franzino the 1M is a muuuuch better drivers car than any M2. i've driven them all. The M2 just feels numb after driving a 1M. Doesn't matter new or used, the same way an E30 M3 is a better drivers car than the current M3/M4.

[@jayman9177]

1M is Not twin turbo… nice Video though

[@CARmagazineTV]

It is a twin turbo, but it’s a common mistake to think it’s not - as one of our rivals discovered. 👍

[@pagen1963]

@@CARmagazineTV to put this to bed… From BMW UK’s own media publicity: “BMW United Kingdom Corporate Communications Media Information 10th December 2010 Drivetrain: The new BMW 1 Series M Coupé has at its heart a high revving, in-line 6-cylinder engine with twin turbocharger, direct injection technology and double VANOS variable valve timing to develop a maximum output of 340hp. Such performance equates to a highly desirable car that takes just 4.9 seconds to accelerate from zero to 62mph. The BMW M tuned twin turbocharger technology used consists of two relatively small turbos which, because of their low inertia characteristics, are active at even low engine speeds, ensuring no turbo lag, yet a peak power output which is achieved at 5,900rpm.”

[@r7coo]

M1 every time the new car is so ugly

[@Dropz_RSA]

2M.

[@captainpablo9502]

Y R Boring

[@kash748]

Or buy a mg4 x-power for £36k and blow both of them into the weeds.

[@BMW1M]

Hahahahah! Only if the race ends at 60mph, doesn’t include any braking zones, and doesn’t include any corners

[@kash748]

@@BMW1M we will see!

[@BMW1M]

@@kash748 nar mate, no chance. Tesla P100’s don’t see which way I went as soon as the road curves

[@kash748]

That not a compact 4wd with 460bhp though,it's a huge executive barge,the mg would leave you for dead!

[@BMW1M]

@@kash748 you are dreaming 🤣😂

[@ZDY66666]

Fast, furious, and ugly

[@Dhime]

I can’t be the only one who likes the style of the new m2 more than the m1 or old m2? I think they look like eggs on wheels compared to the new m2. 🥚 To the point the m1 and m2 weren’t even on my radar till the new m2 dropped. In fact, my 2024 m2 will be delivered late this year just in time for the holidays.

[@jacobstabler9138]

I’m sorry to hear about that. Judging by the lack of likes and responses to your comment I think you’re along on this one lol

[@Alejandro_BoniIIa]

I think you are the only one. I personally don’t like the new M2 styling, but your opinion matters the most if you’re considering the car

[@beastboy890ify]

Yea new m2 doesn’t look good, but congrats on the new m2

[@Dhime]

@@jacobstabler9138 I mean, I get it, guess I’m getting old. In my generation, wearing makeup and skinny jeans wasn’t a thing. So liking a feminine looking car doesn’t sound outside the realm of the present. I’m glad BMW is on my side. So I’ll leave you ladies to bicker whether it matches your eyeshadow and I’ll be enjoying my current gen sports-muscle car.

[@sixcylinders6346]

If the 1M and original M2 look like eggs on wheels, then the new M2 looks like the egg box that they came in.

[@pmr01]

an amusing comment...."and it had to be developed on a budget...." - how novel.

[@Thomas-rf2lf]

E36 BMW forever

[@jomo2483]

1M any day