BMW N54 SPARK PLUG UPGRADES: WHICH DO YOU USE?

[@cupompa]

I like how the N54 can take parts from the new B58. Sort of like reverse hammy downs lol. I run NGK 2 step cold spark plugs gapped to spec .022 inches/0.56mm on a stock motor I'm getting ready to mod. Torqued to 17 ft lbs. Paired up with Eldor ignition coils. Car is very happy, about to hit 97k miles.

[@yingyang203]

I’m running the same plugs with the dinan ignition coils runs amazing I’m fbo except for turbos that’s next step for me

[@gregcowart8229]

2 step colder ngk with .20 gap with jb4 2 stage with elder coils seems to work fine

[@skatepark02]

Don’t let people make the gap mistake I did. I thought it was 0.22 when it’s actually 0.”0”22, it make a huge difference

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Haha we’ve all been there

[@ichoozjc]

Wow, that's a huge gap! So what did the car do with that gap, I'm curious?

[@skatepark02]

@@ichoozjc runs like shit basically. Splutters and misfires like a drag racer

[@valchanovgeorgi]

@@skatepark02 Lucky You managed to fire a cylinder...

[@briaforpres6669]

What do you mean what is the difference could you explain?

[@TML34]

97968 on 15t hybrids, 18-20 psi. Gapped to 0.024”. Pump 93+ a little meth. 100-200 in high 5’s. 😀 I have 3.46 gears in my lsd with the 6MT.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

High 5’s bro! Speak up a little more next time haha. What is your full setup?

[@TML34]

@@ZeroTo60Tube I’ll have to check the dragy, but I think I may have had a slight downhill advantage. Still, it really spools quick (tight wastegates??) I can just leave it in 4th and do the pull. No shifting!😅

[@HassanEido1]

0.46mm on 2 step colder plugs is what I use on 30 psi . But that also depends on what mixture (afr ure using at what rpm/boost level )and fuel type. No magic bullet honestly all depends on what ure tuning (fuel / mixture / boost level) and what logs look like. Edit : repeating myself above but really there's too many variables that go into making that decision.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Haha, I get the feeling different plugs work for different tunes that’s for sure. How is your single best going?

[@HassanEido1]

@@ZeroTo60Tube I have some kumho ps91 295s in the back now lol. Need grip..should be testing 1 to 2s soon. I'm just too slammed doing customer stuff to even drive lol

[@StratoJohn]

This is pretty interesting, never really given it so much thought but they're interesting points

[@lyanryons7355]

Great Vid, look forward to seeing the outcome. Planning to change plugs and coils soon as I'm swapping to DAW S2+ turbos and there seems to be mixed opinions on what to run.

[@Zsword92]

Just waiting for upgraded outlets myself mate 👌 the OEM RHD unit sucks..

[@danielhurtado9231]

Seen a comment asking if you can run b58 spark plugs with stock n54 coils, I just installed b58 spark plugs and used oem coil packs and it worked perfectly. Running jb4 fbo on e40 stock turbos

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

That’s awesome to hear!

[@angelpena8121]

Elder coils?

[@angelpena8121]

What gap?

[@kencooper8636]

The superceded NGK 1 stage colder plugs were the 95770 (ILZKBR7B8DG). These were replaced by the 97968 (ILZKBR7B8G). What difference the 'D' makes in the number, I am not sure. I run a gap of 0.018" on 100% E85 and 28psi boost. I do have timing corrections so it would be interesting to see how the 2 stage colder would perform.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

I've just got the B58s in my car, and corrections are still very prominent, however i did gap them to 0.020" i might drop that gap down a little more. But it's quicker so far.

[@kencooper8636]

@@ZeroTo60Tube My car was pulling hard again last night at rolls but kept spinning up the AR-1s in 2nd even on 10psi boost. Once it started spinning, I just changed into 3rd and went from there. Oil cooler worked well. Temperature didn't go any higher than 110c. Great night with 10 runs.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

@@kencooper8636 I did see a video of your car racing Daves 135i. Man you slingshotted once you got your power down. I normally launch between 15-20psi at rolls, but i still have to pedal it, can't go wide open throttle on the get go. I normaly aim to get to wot by the top of 2nd.

[@wnbhigh]

2 step colder ngk @ 0,45mm gap 26-27psi, 102ron, no misfires so far :D

[@kgsva]

Keen for the outlets, so long as they fit!

[@matthewweisdorfer7757]

You should take a spare Eldor coil you have lying around in the shop & show us on camera if the b58 plug will fit properly 🤔

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

I did try it, but I can’t be sure it connects with the plug property, will need to throw a b58 plug in a N54 with N54 coils and see if they work

[@gprnick]

@@ZeroTo60Tube love to know if this works

[@abelucious]

I have the 2 step colder gapped at 0.020" , 22 psi boost on 94 octane that has 10 percent ethanol , ran good for 10 thousands kilometers , just got a knock on wot near redline, the plugs are the first suspect, they're expected to have a short lifespan.

[@evojumpman8806]

15k miles is around where I would change them

[@valchanovgeorgi]

@10:50 keep in mind outlets are different for RHD and LHD cars. The rear turbo has the cold side twisted a bit, and also the wastegate actuator sits in a different position. Also RHD cars have the steering column going right by the rear turbo outlet, therefore making it high-flow is a bit sketchy.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Yeah we are all Rhd in Australia. My modified ones seem to make some jam.

[@Jotomoz]

Just saw this on Denso website N54B30A from X6 can put IK20TT and others. Interesting I'm thinking of trying them for the E9X.

[@crazygamer889]

I run 97506 plugs @27 psi on 17ts, full e85, haven't had any issues tbh

[@TCGTV98]

Just ordered 2 step colder from your site

[@karllenaerts2477]

Very interesting ! I will ask my tuner

[@ben7020]

I was running ngk standard heat range on e85, probably not ideal but seemed to work. I'm interested in a neat finish modified outlet btw👍

[@jamiestanley8774]

In Newzealand id be paying over $120 , Per plug . What coil suits those plugs.

[@ahw5hcgfyj]

Hey I see you have some outlets on the table. Would love to see a video on what you replaced them with (being right hand drive) and the other differences we should be aware of compared to LHD.

[@skatepark02]

A little advice, avoid silicone outlets. I’ve read countless stories about them melting, Rob beck ones in particular.

[@cocko1135]

I am sure that Andrew will chime in but I recall seeing the outlets being a discussion point in one of the build videos for the 17t's from last year...

[@ahw5hcgfyj]

@@skatepark02 thanks. I actually contacted the different vendors including Rob Beck about full (or mostly) metal RHD outlets at the start of the year but didn't have much luck

[@ahw5hcgfyj]

@@cocko1135 thanks, i've watched them all multiple times. This channel was the reason I bought my 335i in feb last year. will have to go over it all again as I don't recall

[@cocko1135]

@@ahw5hcgfyj I can't remember if there was an absolute solution at the time or a discussion regarding a cut and shut with welding and also clearance against steering rack. I was actually going to buy a 330D and mod that for something different but then I started watching these guys and here I am..... Don't regret a single moment 😉

[@zomski101]

I've ran 2 to 1 to 2 step in my mmp stage 3 turbo and e50 mix. I got longer life out of the 2 step than the 1 step. Somehow I got arching 20k miles later on 1 step with pr coils even tho I put dielectric lube. Hasn't happened with 2 step and going good.

[@williss223]

i have a n54 intercooler upgrade , charge pipe , high flow cats no tune would you recommend stage 1 or 2 without a tune although i do plan on tunning after a trip

[@cesarjimenez9318]

Can I run the b58 plugs on the precision raceworks coil pack ?

[@anthonywhelan8373]

Ok nice plugs but are you reading the plugs to determine if you need a colder plug eg the heat strap how far is it burning towards the thread Are your plugs too cold? Also I’ve used a resistance plug it’s the r in the part number and I don’t see the need to run iridium plugs as there a disposable part for the engine at your boost level I run a ngk non resistance plug $8 each and that’s on Lpg which is damm hard to ignite especially with 22psi boost and gap them to 18thou and only changing the heat range if needed by reading the heat strap

[@bhaskarakovvuri707]

Wouldn’t recommend B58 spark plugs with N54 original coils. I fired my mosfas on my MSD80 by doing that 😅 Ideally you want to run B58 sparks with B58 coils.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Makes sense.

[@dimitrydimitry6180]

What should i get for my stage 1 f10 535i?

[@pugs1377]

I'm running the stock n54 plugs on mhd 2+, fbo. Never had any issues in about 20k miles and I beat on her daily.

[@Justin-qs9nj]

Yep same here!

[@TrakxGoPro]

Same here also. no problems. no timing pulls on wot

[@ysljay9061]

Yea take them out I bet there all burnt like mine hahahahah

[@ATStone]

What about BMW's OEM flex fuel plug (NGK SILZKBR8F8S)? I have a set waiting to go in my full E85 N55 that's currently running the 97506s. We'll see if there's any difference.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Will have to let us know how they go!

[@darth_art2101]

Any update on how these plugs worked for you?

[@adamsmindman]

I wonder if the B58s will work with the PR coils

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

I have heard they will but not confirmed

[@Breakchecks]

Straight to the source, zero to sixty. Got the b58 coil N54 set up for my 1M and I don’t know what spark plugs to install. Can you give me any educated opinion on this combo? Thank you. Maybe you answered this but I didn’t watch the entire video…

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

b58 for me, however if you are custom tuned, speak to your tuner

[@Breakchecks]

@@ZeroTo60Tube no I got b58 coils for my N54 but what spark plugs do you recommend? B58 spark plugs?!

[@neelparmar6690]

My shop is a BMW specialist, he swapped my old plugs to 2 step colder. I have plans to run an MHD tune but still stock at this stage. Are these plugs still ok while I’m stock?

[@mrkeza64]

If it's on a stock map then no need , if your running stage 2 + mhd then yes 2 step colder , stage 1+ for 1 step.

[@neelparmar6690]

@@mrkeza64 thanks. Stage 2 and catless dp’s are coming, will pull the trigger soon

[@mrkeza64]

@@neelparmar6690 Msd81 a good upgrade aswel. I had mosfet failure on stage 1+. I have the mods to go stage 2+ but this became an issue.

[@neelparmar6690]

@@mrkeza64 Can't say I've heard of it before. Could you tell me more, or maybe just send me a link to have a read of?

[@qx4n9e1xp]

I have fresh 1-step colder plugs, gapped .024 on my Daw Flow Max+ n54 (that I bought because of you!!) running 93oct only. The car runs great EXCEPT there's the occasional misfire on top end pulls. It's to the point my car shuts down a cylinder sometimes, and the car begins to sound like a Subaru. I turn off the car and turn it back on, car runs normal again, but I'm afraid to keep doing pulls like this. 😅 Could it be a gap issue? Do I need to go down to .022 instead? I have brand new fresh Eldors for the record. The only other thing I think would be injectors, but they're index 12s, and should be fine, but I guess I have never leak checked them and probably should. I'm leaning towards checking out the plugs & maybe re-gapping them, but I also ordered new Brisk Racing Silver plugs and want to see how they do.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Definitely gap down and try first. But its not uncommon for injectors not sealing proprly to cause that

[@fallosok3599]

Can we find the longer coil boots for the b58 coils anywhere?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

There are heaps of options to my understanding. And different brackets may need different boots.

[@apriliaracing7]

I'm FBO with hybrid turbos and installed the B58 coil kit back in April. I'm still using the 2-step colder NGK's (97506) but should I be using the B58 NGK plugs?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

If you have no problems. Dont even think about it. However might be worth trying the B58 next plug change. Always speak to your tuner. I have a little suspicion, some plugs will work better with some tunes.

[@anthonywhelan8373]

Whoops spell check I meant I don’t use a resistance plug

[@bavarianhero]

Where are you vato, I haven’t seen you uploading for a minute already. Everything cool?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

It’s not. Can’t talk about it at the moment. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqm1emChYsaHbZo

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

P.s do not reply to this comment. Because it will be seen by other people.

[@942doc1]

Is it true that the top of the spark plug tip (where the boot connects) is different on n54 plugs vs b58 plugs? Because burger motorsport said you could potentially have misfires w n54 plugs & b58 coils?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

They seem to be interchangeable.

[@ravszee]

@@ZeroTo60Tube soo can i run ngk 94201 with eldor coils!?

[@tre6405]

What’s the best plug for stock turbos jb4 stage 2 on 15 psi on 91 octane

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Speak to your tuner. If you are using JB4 back end flash, the JB4 guys recomend 2 step colder.

[@Eliasccv14]

So if I’m running a little lean and am running a 1 step colder, what would anyone recommend? Also gap as well?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Plugs steps won’t really effect lean or rich. What other symptoms do you have?

[@Eliasccv14]

@@ZeroTo60Tube my stft in both banks get really low and high while doing pulls, I’m not really sure if it’s lean but I’ve been trying to see if this is a normal phenomenon

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

@@Eliasccv14 under load plugs definitely wont effect this, unless your current ones are faulty. Under WOT anything between 11 and 13 afrs is pretty normal. However you dont want your trims bottoming out. Might be worth posting a log on spoolstreet or E90post for peace of mind. I wouldn't bother with facebook groups fyi, too many clueless experts on facebook.

[@Eliasccv14]

@@ZeroTo60Tube what’s the bottom number? I’m just kind of starting to get into the logs and what everything means and what’s normal for the N54.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

@@Eliasccv14 do you mean between 11 and 13? If so you just need to look up air fuel ratios so you understand them fully

[@1993kawasaki]

I heard Corn Fed Boost wants to ECOTEC swap an RX8 LOL and i said i know someone that may have a dead RX8... 😉 😉 😂 😂

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Haha, I’d say they’re are more Rx8 that need motors than ones that dont

[@PtcjNoble]

First

[@cocko1135]

I run the 97968 plugs and have no issues on E40 and the 17t's. I don't see 20psi, so that does me fine. Gapped at 0.21. Having said that, after your video I may re-think that position 🤔

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Do you know what yours are gapped to?

[@cocko1135]

@@ZeroTo60Tube sorry man, edited the post. 0.21 bud. I saw people saying 0.20 and 0.22 Soni went for the middle ground with Eldor coils.

[@uisperfectemail9720]

34th!

[@Wheelsanstuff]

I use the 97506 on my stage 1+ n55, one step colder.

[@Justin-qs9nj]

Stock turbo jb4 w/ mhd bef e30 blend oem coils and bosch plugs working great here for 2 years 👍🏼

[@bimmerfab]

Ngk 97506, single turbo n54 6875 ran up to 32 psi never have missfired due to spark plugs

[@lancewood1410]

Just curious.....has anyone run B58 coils on S63? google doesn't have matches......since S63 uses the same plugs as N54/55 and maybe coils as well?

[@ferrynpalmer3875]

2009 E93 335i.....CP, DCI's, 5 in Wagner IC, ARM DP's, MHD stage 2+........I've been running the new stage 1 plugs since I put the stage 1 tune on 10 months ago. ~ 10k miles have passed since then. No issues until about 1k miles ago when it began to have the slightest misfire at cold start via my butt dyno. It just feels ever so slightly lumpy (nobody notices but me) until it gets some heat into it. Purchase everything from FCP, so I've been thinking about ordering up some new coils (replaced same time as the plugs) and giving the b58 plugs a try. Not sure just yet.....watching YOU guys to see what's best to try next!! Lol

[@KingtoneeeTV]

Did you try them ?

[@ferrynpalmer3875]

@@KingtoneeeTV .....I did not. I actually sold the car a couple of months ago and bought a Tesla Model S. I just stuck with the same plugs from the FCP Euro kit. I got about 12k miles or so out of a set of coils and plugs.

[@Napster050]

i run 1-step colder NGK. With 0.022" gap my car missfired heavily on cold starts (after little warmup was everything ok). I gapped them then to 0.028" and now it is running perfect. Maybe stock tune or Bosch coils are not familiar with 0.022 gap ? i dont know...

[@6ixN54]

Same happened to me. Put in 1-step colder ngks at 0.022", stock tune and car was misfiring on cold starts, fuel economy got terrible. I went back to oem bosch plugs and it stopped lol. Think it needs to be tuned for the step colders

[@gatling3372]

I run 2 step colder on my n54 single setup on 22.5 psi with 50/50 meth in the charge pipe. They've been holding up fine for me, but that's low boost for most people:)

[@heathbailey4149]

I just order the nexsys N55 kit and I’ll be doing the b58 eldor coils and b58 plugs i like the idea of bring a cleaner burn and a much more advanced spark set up to an engine that should have had that sort of investment in from factory at the first place

[@jjung2005]

I have 2011 335IS N54 stock with 35k miles, can I use NGK spark plugs mentioned in your video? I'm planning to keep the car stock. Thanks.

[@jeanpierrehorcholle5649]

Hi! very good video ! on stage 2 n54 135i e82 with mhd and turbo stock ? wich on please ? thanks

[@cornfedboost]

So the general consensus that I read about and was told was for every 100 or so hp you increase the engines performance by you should increase the heat range one step.. that being said I've been running my junk on one step colder plugs than factory since the beginning without any issues (yet)... a bigger plug gap will burn more efficiently than a smaller gap providing there's adequate coil available where the smaller plug gap will not (blow out) under higher boost but will not burn as efficiently under low boost power levels... (at least as far as I'm aware) either way good vid keen to see you wind it up some more amd smash your record 😁🤘

[@boosts14]

If it’s a street car and cruises and idles I’d be running a warmer plug The colder plugs foul easy on the street

[@dynamic1994]

17t, e50, 23psi, ngk flex fuel plugs 0.65mm. B58 coil kit. Gapped to 0.55, got rid of cyl 4 misfire.

[@friguy4444]

Excellent video! You didn't mention the gap recommendation for the B58 plugs but I'd think the same as the 2 Step colder ones at 0.018?? 😮

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

I have ran them at .022 and even 0.024. But it does seem some cars are different will need different gap. Also depends on how hard you are running the motor.

[@zemontalvao5626]

I use in my 328i Activeflex (🇧🇷etanol) SILZKBR8F8S NGK ignition coil is good? Have you tested?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

I havent used the NGK ignition coils but if you are under 100hp per cyl pretty everything out there will be fine.

[@Nico_335i_DCT]

Very interesting stuff Andrew. I thing I will go for the 1 step colder. My goal is 'only' 420Hp crank. And I have to keep my catted downpipes🤷‍♂️.Dutch regards, Nico.

[@skatepark02]

You might have trouble with 420 on catted downpipes I’m afraid. Decat is an integral part of reaching that power level.

[@jay-cee4499]

@@skatepark02 420 Crank horsepower with oem cats I don’t think that will be a problem really

[@Nico_335i_DCT]

@@skatepark02 Yep, I know. But gonna try it...

[@skatepark02]

@@jay-cee4499 all the off the shelf tunes require catless downpipes and intake mods to be able to use them. MHD stage 2+ plus (which I’m currently using) specifically mentions the need for catless downpipes as well as JB4 map 2 and 5, which both get you to that 420bhp mark.

[@jay-cee4499]

@@skatepark02 Yesss makes sense maybe catted downpipes?

[@donwingchun]

0.5mm gap forget the fractions of an inch

[@rodolfosandoval4840]

Im running with down pipes and intakes with spark plugs u recommend me

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

1 step colder

[@pegasus9255]

Who on here is running the Audi R8 coils on their n54 with full E85?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

With a stock DME, the r8 coils seem problematic from what people tell me. B58 is the king at the moment.

[@dylanfisher6042]

What about Bosch spark plugs?

[@fabiandiaz4851]

I run the 1 step colder plugs on my car with stock turbos and e60 mix at around 20-23 psi with no problems

[@elvedinsakinovic5203]

How much power you making? Jw cuz Im like semi fbo just stock fueling. 1 step plugs, BMS inlets and outlets, DCI, down pipes, 7.5in stepped fmic, and charge pipe w Tial bov.

[@madaz0724]

2 step colder

[@madaz0724]

Not really relevant now i watched the whole video lol but 98 in a daily s55

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Do you know what you have them gapped to?

[@madaz0724]

@@ZeroTo60Tube no sorry ill have to ask it all got do with the tune