World of Warships - My Cousin Vinny

[@rexy132]

"you'll be glad to hear that it doesnt get the typical British super heal..." me-looks at health bar... me-notices recoverable health... me-sweats bullets...

[@mihaitha]

me: looks at the consumable icon and notices the double green cross on it...

[@thomaskositzki9424]

Jep, Jingles stays Jingles. ^^

[@alek2913]

It is only a 30%ish heal instead of 60% heal... That's better right? Right?

[@thatinternetguyj5222]

Oh Neptune...

[@plkangus]

"Actually, Jingles...", St. Vincent was named for Earl St. Vincent, Admiral Sir John Jervis. Which makes it the second ship in the British tech trees to be named for the same person. Great video, as always!

[@andycrawley1961]

this!

[@heirofaniu]

I saw your pfp and thought you were Jingles taking the piss at a glance.

[@Terrathrax]

18:20 The Monty shoots the friendly Zao, then the Zao shoots the island instead of last enemy. Stand tall fellow Wargamers!

[@D4RKBRU73]

profile pic checks out

[@danuber949]

Could it be named for Admiral Jervis who became Earl St. Vincent after his victory at the Battle of Cape St. Vincent?

[@The_MightyJingles]

Could be!

[@GaryJones69420]

@@The_MightyJingles its also not a fantasy design jingles it is a modernised I3

[@elliottmcnear8516]

I believe it’s supposed to be as the original HMS St Vincent (the 1908 dreadnought BB) was officially named for jervis

[@davidwhitfield6025]

Agree and the St Vincent class Dreadnought (1908) is stated as being named after Admiral of the Fleet John Jervis, 1st Earl of St Vincent (1735 - 1823)

[@RedXlV]

It is. Meaning that there are actually two ships in this game named after Admiral Jervis.

[@bfrobin446]

Since all of these paper battlecruisers are based on candidate designs from the 1919-21 program, we should be looking at the early to mid 1920s to decide which names were free. The pre-dreadnought Duncan was decommissioned in 1919, and the first destroyer Duncan was commissioned in 1933, leaving a reasonable window where a new capital ship could have beaten the destroyer to the name.

[@Julius_Hardware]

Also the RN could and did re-name shore establishments to release the name for ships, e.g. HMS Britannia.

[@ashesofempires04]

The St Vincent is definitely named for Admiral Jervis, Earl of St. Vincent. And sure, they could have named it Jervis, but there's already a Jervis in World of Warships. And HMS Jervis was a highly decorated destroyer with 13 battle honors. She's more deserving of a place in World of Warships with the name Jervis than a paper ship.

[@alganhar1]

@@ashesofempires04 There is a bit of a difference between a paper design well on in the design process and many of the other paper ships out there which were little more than concepts. The St Vincent design did exist. At least one of those British Battlecruiser designs was actually laid down, two of them to be precise, but were cancelled due to the Naval treaties. You do not lay down a ship on a few notes scribbled on foolscap. At that stage you are looking at full sets of blueprints, with guns and machinery already decided on and ordered BEFORE the keel is laid down, as the machinery and guns are the two longest lead items on a large gun capital ship.

[@onemeadow5843]

The worst part of that ending is that the Zao somehow had four kills despite such lunacy.

[@redclaytanto]

Almost as much xp too. It's like he had the greatest rush of shit to the brains.

[@NecroFlex]

Well, he was competent enough to land shots, but being a typical Zao player, he probably didn't know he doesn't need to only shoot HE and start fires.

[@RedXlV]

St. Vincent in WOWS is the I3 battlecruiser design with a late 1930s modernization. The previous HMS St. Vincent, a 1908 dreadnought, had been scrapped in 1921. Had an I3 actually been built, it would've been laid down around 1922, at which point the name St. Vincent was not in use. And thus the training facility at Forton Barracks would've needed to be named something else when it was opened in 1927.

[@genericpersonx333]

Especially relevant is that HMS St. Vincent of 1908 was going to be scrapped irrespective of the treaty negotiations because its guns were 12'', thus considered obsolete for battleship purposes. A lot of capital ships scrapped in the 1920s were only scrapped to meet the requirement of the treaty, so without the treaty, those names would have remained on the books while most of the 3-series capital ships were being listed. HMS St. Vincent was one of the few battleships definitely not going to remain on the lists.

[@troopieeeeee]

@@genericpersonx333 what capital ships do you think wouldn't have been scrapped without the treaties?

[@RedXlV]

​@@troopieeeeee Without the treaty, you likely have an arms race going. That's *why* the treaty happened. Ultimately the QE and R class battleships would've been retired sooner than historically if there'd been no Washington Naval Treaty. But in the short term, the 13.5-inch armed Orion and KGV (1911) classes and HMS Erin would've lasted longer because it would've taken at least decade to build all of the huge new ships that would be replacing them. Not a decade for each individual ship, but for the entire new fleet to be built. There were only so many slipways capable of building N3 battleships and G3 or I3 battlecruisers, after all.

[@genericpersonx333]

​@@troopieeeeee Based on the immediate post-war assessments, the Admiralty was only clear on the 12'' gun being inadequate for continued service on any vessel, especially Line-of-Battle Ships. That means every battleship before HMS Orion was definitely being removed. From there, I suspect the Royal Navy would keep most every other battleship, but would slowly cycle them through to lesser roles as time went on, replacing the oldest and weakest ships with new ships as soon as possible. Bear in mind, by scrapping the 12'' gun, that is a dozen capital ships gone, so it would take time for the Royal Navy to get enough new ships to replace that lost capability before they want to replace more capable but still obsolescent ships they did keep after the Great War. Thus, I suspect they'd keep all the battleships from HMS Orion onwards, but would scrap the oldest ships as soon as a new ship was ready to slot in. So in HMS Orion's case, it'd likely have been replaced before the late 1920s, with her sisters following soon after. Odd ships like HMS Erin and such were technically supposed to be given back to the countries they were "borrowed" from, which most did, but any rejected by their lawful owners could be "kept" by the Royal Navy. I suspect HMS Erin would have remained like the Orions, but not lasted much longer because of its 13.5'' guns. By the early 1940s, I suspect most all of the great-war battleships would have been replaced and gone, with maybe a Queen Elizabeth or two remaining because of possible delays in new ship construction.

[@troopieeeeee]

@@genericpersonx333 very interesting thank you!

[@Phryxil]

I cannot hear the RN term "boy seaman" without giggling.

[@NintendoSonic101]

Can't forget the classic "long, hard, and full of seamen"!

[@liberalsockpuppet4772]

This is your reminder to clear your search history

[@plutoidrepublic2765]

@@liberalsockpuppet4772 never, its .. my history

[@Rosfuture]

"It's a Simple Spell But Quite Unbreakable" xD

[@D4RKBRU73]

Why are camels called the ships of the desert ? - yeah, you guessed right.. they're full of s...

[@johnfrench5279]

Jingles, at the time these ships were designed 1920-21, all those names were either available or becoming available (due to decommissioning of existing ships) for new build ships. As for the ships never existing, two units of what WoW's call HMS Duncan were laid down in October 1921 only to be cancelled by the Washington Naval Treaty three months later.

[@RedXlV]

All of the British battlecruisers except Hawke are real designs. Rooke is J3, essentially just an improved Hood. Duncan is G3, as you said the design that Britain actually selected and began work on prior to the treaty. (Though with semi-fictional guns. The 16.5" was actually intended for G3, in keeping with the Royal Navy's established trend of increasing gun caliber by 1.5" when adopting a new gun. But fairly early in the design process they decided on the 16" instead.) And St. Vincent is I3, the design immediately preceding G3 before they decided it was too big. (Both in terms of being expensive because of that size, and because it was physically too long to fit into many of the Royal Navy's major ports.) Hawke on the other hand seems to be loosely based on K3, but downsized to have 16" instead of 18" guns. I honestly don't know why Wargaming didn't use use the F3 battlecruiser at Tier 8 instead. That's a treaty-compliant battlecruiser design that was considered as an alternative to Nelson (which was the O3 design), which was armed with 15" guns in an all-forward layout. But the turrets are Mogami-style and should have even better firing angles than Nelson. For anybody wondering about these designations for the designs, the numbers denoted whether the design used twin or triple turrets. And for the whole design series, battleships began with the letter L and went upward, and battlecruisers began with K and went downward. Several of the designs had both twin turret and triple turret versions (L2 and L3, F2 and F3, etc), while some such as N3, G3, and O3 were only ever considered with triple turrets. And the Tier 10 premium battleship Thunderer that we've had for a while now is basically a Wargaming mashup of the L2 design and HMS Vanguard.

[@Vinemaple]

According to Drachinifel, when they want to reuse the name of a training hulk like HMS Unicorn, they go ahead and do it. They just temporarily rename the training hulk something else so the name can be given to a modern warship. Also, if they'd really built the I3s, they'd probably have looked like the Nelson class. The design looks like this because it was abandoned early.

[@Caliban_Cam]

Cold Waters, im just gonna use up my monthly ‘jingles video length’ break from the saltmines to say this. Every video, untill you notice me oh mighty gnomelord

[@chaosengine4597]

with your brake time, you can only do it for half the videos. Because it got cut by half right now.

[@Rockwood1407]

You hadn't heard? They're installing monitors every few meters in the tunnels so we can continue salt mining while bumping up Sir Jingle's numbers. No more breaks needed!

[@mudman619]

About the Zao, at the end - the Red Mist always descends upon CA/CL & BB captains whenever they have torps - (in a frenzied voice in their heads) - "gotta launch torps, gotta launch torps!" - so they turn their ships, giving unnecessary broadside when some patience & a few simple AP shots will do the job. (speaking from experience, lol - if I have torps, I'm always looking for a chance to launch them, even at my own detriment, lol)

[@Jedi_Master_Obi-Wan_Kenobi66]

I kinda wish the St. Vincent was named Inflexible to pair up with the Incomperable. Like how the Conqueror pairs with the Thunderer

[@ZZMonkeysUncleZZ]

I see where you’re coming from, but I’m not sure those two names have the same dynamic as Conqueror and Thunderer.

[@Jedi_Master_Obi-Wan_Kenobi66]

@@ZZMonkeysUncleZZ Why Hello There!

[@arivael]

I can only assume that they decided, Oh, the last Royal Navy Battlecruiser was named after an Admiral (Hood), lets continue that naming convention. As to Conqueror and Thunderer I think they took those names from the two approved by never laid down Lion class, oddly Temeraire still hasn't been used yet.

[@grandadmiralraeder9608]

@@arivael well the naming convention is correct - as the G3 battlecruisers (Duncan in the game) were to be named after admirals

[@chrisoddy8744]

@@grandadmiralraeder9608 I know a popular theory says the G3s would have been named for the UK Patron Saints (Sts. George, Andrew, David and Patrick) I do think the Admirals would have been more likely though (probably reusing the three cancelled Hoods - Anson, Howe and Rodney - first though rather than going all new names. My personal thoughts would that they would have been called Anson, Howe, Rodney and Nelson (since Nelson would have been free as well, and they eventually used it alongside Rodney later in the 1920s)

[@Refrigerator44]

Can we take a minute to appreciate the savage kicking that the b turret took while not permanently breaking down.

[@CyberMaroon]

St. Vincent definitely burns for 60s, Jingles. You're probably seeing fire time reduction effects. And it also definitely gets a superheal, you can see the icon.

[@nottoday3817]

Nah, it's not a superheal. I know how a superheal looks and what it does from Nelson and British BBs and Minotaurs and Goliaths. St Vincent most likely gets an improved heal, similar to the one on the Thunderer.

[@GaryJones69420]

@@nottoday3817 dude its literally a superheal.

[@CyberMaroon]

@@nottoday3817 No, it's a superheal. It runs for 20s and heals 2% per second, just like those on the ships you mentioned.

[@CyberMaroon]

@@TheGuyfromValhalla 2 plusses is the icon for Specialized Repair Teams, a.k.a. 'superheal'. It restores 2% health per second, the same as Conqueror and Minotaur, and St. Vincent definitely has it - you can check on stat sites. No superheal actually 'prints your ship back with 1 use', it's more like half your ship.

[@CyberMaroon]

@@TheGuyfromValhalla Also, at around 10:45 you can see that he has about a third of his health recoverable right before he uses his first heal, which is a lot more than the 16,8% of the lower tier British BBs or Thunderer. It's wasting a good chunk of his healing power (up to 40% without buffs) but that's arguably a user error.

[@nighthawk7485]

Howdy Jingles. I stumbled across your channel a week ago, and have very much enjoyed your videos. Your WoWs videos inspired me to dust off my old account. I haven't played in a long time (I was surprised to find my Cleveland was Tier VIII, when I'd stopped playing it was a Tier VI), and have been having a lot of fun relearning the game after nearly 5 years passing since I played it regularly. Maybe someday I'll stop being crap at aiming torpedoes. :)

[@dressydressy6246]

Jingles ‘good job you can get the Marlborough for free.’ I go away thinking to myself about the doubloons I had to spend in order to finish the part of the dockyard event.

[@TrickiVicBB71]

Kinda wish this video was longer. He explain more of the design history, stats and proper equipment to use. Like his early WOWS vids

[@emberfist8347]

The United States tech line has this issue too. People complained about the West Virgina in the game being used to serve as a Tier VI Colorado instead of them giving the ship the historic refit it received after being raised from Peral Harbor.

[@freetolook3727]

Torps on this ship remind me of the April fools bathtub event. Two front firing torpedoes that do a shitton of damage!😂

[@benjaminsmith3364]

Jingles - "It doesn't get the super heal that allows you to print a new ship".. Visible on screen - super heal button! (just checked, it is a T9.5 heal, between the Lion and the Conqueror in efficacy)

[@IMCDundee]

Actually Jingles ,2 ships with one name has happened,HMS Unicorn (1824) & HMS Unicorn (I72) were both in service at the same time (one being a Depot ship/hulk) apparently on more than one occasion mail went to the wrong one.The older one is open to the public if you are ever up in Dundee.

[@Grenadier_]

This is not 100% true. The frigate was renamed to HMS Unicorn II (with roman numerals) in 1939 so that the aircraft carrier may have it. It was then temporarily renamed to HMS Cressy from 1941 - 1959. If you want a better example : HMS Unicorn (S43), a submarine that saw service in the RN in the early 1990s.

[@PureZOOKS]

"Good thing you can get the Marlborough for free because its crap" Uuum ackshually Jingles.....

[@Deathrising99]

Torps on this ship have been a surprise to many ships especially the shima that sped around a island to torp me only to be hit by a single torp that sunk him from full health

[@ddpwe5269]

It's truly amazing how far some people get and still have no idea what they're doing.

[@LindaOrr-xt1uu]

As always luv your bits of history. We appreciate it thank you for your efforts

[@kineuhansen8629]

for years i wanted this awesome ship design in wows

[@oldtimers6460]

Another great informative video ,thanks Jingles . Cheers .

[@tapioperala3010]

I think that the Zao and the Montana broke something in me brain

[@TheDidgerideuces]

I believe St. Vincent is a nod to the speculation that the N3's may have received names that align with the patron saints of the countries of Great Britain that comprised the United Kingdom at the time. "Though far from receiving names, the four vessels of the N3 design have since been associated, albeit speculatively, with the names of the four patron saints of Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales, those being HMS St. Andrew, HMS St. George, HMS St. Patrick and HMS St. David respectively." Weird that they chose St. Vincent of Sargossa though, since y'know, he's Spanish. The Admiral theory also most definitely hold water. Guess it was a little of option A and option B.

[@grandadmiralraeder9608]

NOT AN N3 N3 WAS A SLOW BB DESIGN

[@grandadmiralraeder9608]

but yes those were the speculated names for the (never laid-down) N3s

[@Arphalia]

"What are these magic grits?!?!" great movie by the way, ya'll should watch it if you get the chance. Oh an great video as per usual sir gnome lord!

[@blue2sco]

There were two HMS Unicorns. One was the laid up frigate in Dundee, which was being used as a establishment, and the other was a aircraft carrier. The RN took away the frigate Unicorn's name plate and placed it on the aircraft carrier.

[@rumblin_cynth_rampo374]

HMS Unicorn (the laid up one) is still in Dundee and has the aircraft carrier's ship's bell. Really interesting museum too.

[@fuglbird]

Jingles finally found a subject he knew something about. Good job!

[@panchoamd]

St Vincent is named after Earl St. Vincent, the boss of Nelson in the Battle of the Nile. Remember that after Corageous Class of Battlecruisers, the Royal Navy began the construction of the Admiral Class, with HMS Hood as the first ship. The other 3, Anson, Rodney and Howe where cancelled, and the names used on other ships. If the trend would have continued, the following ships might have been named after more Admirals.

[@jjjiminey7814]

What a great Title and what a great film!

[@maxkennedy8075]

Looks like the G3 battlecruiser design that was planned as a successor to the Admiral class of WW1, never built cos of naval treaty limitations

[@grahamstrouse1165]

G3 would have been armed with 16” guns, though.

[@mdwrightson1]

I know Collingwood very well, with it being the last shore posting of my father when he was in the Navy, plus being a local boy I know of all the naval bases in and around South Hampshire

[@DotDotDotDashDashDashDotDotDot]

"Aherm 🤓 Ackshwally Jhingles" moment The St. Vincent does get the super heal and so does the Duncan they're not just that good as the Conqueror you can tell a super heal by the double green cross icon, in addition it has short fuse AP, and it's HE doesn't have the same pen as Conq HE it does indeed have 63% fire chance, alright with that said, am I gonna get executed?

[@primaltempest9218]

I have a Duncan. BBs keep hitting with HE when AP would do just fine... Now that Jingles made a video with the valuable armor info, I get the feeling I'm going to be seeing more AP being flung in my direction now.

[@MrThomasshoaf]

I took your advice from yesterday's mingles with jingles and watched prey and all I can say is oh my God

[@HarryWHill-GA]

I think the St. Vincent ship in the game was named after Admiral John Jervis, 1st Earl of Saint Vincent and hero of the Battle of Cape Saint Vincent , 14 February 1797. Interestingly enough Jervis was on HMS Victory while Horatio Nelson was on HMS Captain. Sir John Jervis was made Earl Saint Vincent and Nelson was knighted for their parts in the victory over a much larger Spanish force.

[@kevinbeecher3719]

i lived just down the road of hms st vincent in gosport and every forework night went there for the display

[@arbackhaus]

Love you Jingles! Great battle.

[@iankerridge5720]

Oh Jingles! Sir John Jervis was created Earl St. Vincent after the battle of Cape St Vincent, 1797; featured a chap called Horatio Nelson, in HMS Captain

[@miltonzinn8732]

I’m sorry, what do we consider “great” concealment on T10 BBs considering most heavy cruisers can only get to like 11.5-12.3, I think 12.8 is great for such a massive ship. Better than Yammy and Kurfürst by far

[@MrRedRye]

It is particularly terrifying when you consider the overmatch from the 18" guns and the tiny window of concealment cruisers have over it. Henri IV gets out-spotted! It's the same with the newly buffed Vermont or Thunderer; when you run into one of those you have no time to react before getting obliterated.

[@twinkyoctopus]

I guess it's bad if it's not the vermont

[@Shrez4Games]

CV's will keep you open anyway!

[@liamspruce6776]

I’ve got the St Vincent, running the engine boost speed flag and engine mod at top speed I’m hitting 40.2 knots, flanking in her is an absolute dream. I’m going for an absolute derp build on her, I’ll post an update when done!

[@timmyingelbrecht6977]

Incomparable does 40.8 but with an even worse turning circle.

[@Taliyon]

Jingles videos. They always make the mark!

[@robdgaming]

Mostly in the WW1 era, the USN would sometimes rename a ship that had been relegated to lesser duties in order to make the name available for a new ship. This happened with several armored cruisers named for states, to give standard type battleships the names. Other ships as well, and I think sometimes a ship was simply stripped of its name.

[@michalsoukup1021]

HMS Saint Vincent does not break conventions. It is just another way to name a ship after Admiral John Jervis

[@FltCaptAlan]

Last I checked, the RN renamed HMS Unicorn, the age of sail frigate during the service of the WWII "forward aviation support vessel" HMS Unicorn, the one of AL fame, and HMS Duncan, the pre Washington Treaty G3, wouldn't be "slipping in" post WWII, as it would probably held the name instead of the destroyer

[@ogilkes1]

St Vincent is an Admiral Jingles, Sir John Jervis, given the title of St. Vincent following the battle of the same name where Nelson famously 'disobeyed' orders to pull his ship out of line to intercept the Spanish. The ship is a version of the 'Saint class' 1921 Washington Treaty ships. The new Indomitable class, four battlecruisers, and then four suggested battleships, the 'Saint' class. These were meant to be battleships. They were cancelled after the treaty and the 'Nelsons' were the cut down successors.

[@grandadmiralraeder9608]

no the ship is not a version of the Saint class. those were a BATTLESHIP design. St Vincent is the I3 BC design

[@ogilkes1]

@@grandadmiralraeder9608 you may be right, but the 1921 battlecruusers I have come across had 16 inch rifles. The Saints had 18 inch. Mind you there were varied proposals and this is Warganing...

[@grandadmiralraeder9608]

@@ogilkes1 yes - the G3 battlecruisers (the ones they actually laid down) had 16 inch guns but the previous larger design had 18 inchers. this was decided to be too large.

[@frosty3693]

I wonder if the feature of the torpedoes turning on course after launch was originally made for submarine torpedoes but not implamented due to "balance issues". It was an ability US torpedoes, and others, did have. I wonder if it will be used on other ships? Ships like the Yahagi could certainly use it.

[@CS-zn6pp]

This St. Vincent is named for Admiral of the Fleet John Jervis, 1st Earl of St Vincent 1735 - 1823. You would think an old salt like Jingles would know that....

[@lighteninglancelot7021]

I went to The Royal Hospital School... all the Houses (11) were named after Admirals... Including St Vincent... He was an Admiral The others were Raleigh, Drake, Blake, Anson, Collingwood, Cornwallis, Hood, Howe, Hawke and Nelson

[@rjcolombe]

Jingles extra giggly today 😂

[@darrenhemingway7121]

Always loved the naming convention for RN ships, especially when the origins of a name are lost to history. May such ships as HMS Spanker, Teaser, Thruster, Flirt, Cockchafer, Tiptoe (submarine) and Heartease (aka Pansy) long live in our memories.

[@Julius_Hardware]

And let us add HMS Gay Viking and HMS Gay Bruiser

[@mikehodges6598]

And add HMS Beaver with a mixed gender crew. We were all giggling like middle schoolers when we hear a female voice on the radio "this is Beaver, over".

[@grandadmiralraeder9608]

HMS Happy

[@PedanticGaming]

Jingles *goes on a rant about the naming covention of ships named after admirals* Also Jingles *forgets John Jervis* Never change my lord never change :)

[@duanetapp1280]

There was a Superb class cruiser laid down in 1943 and cancelled in 1945 called HMS Hawke, so it could have been a battle cruiser.

[@hamstsorkxxor]

There is a detail on this map that annoys me disproportionately much: The active volcano is using an animation that looks a lot a standard burning animation, with billowing fire and smoke. Vulcanoes just do not look like that, there shouldn't be ANY fire, but fountains of lava instead. Everytime I see it, I can't help noticing it... I know it's stupid but my brain doesn't allow me not to notice lol.

[@ugaladh]

That always bothered me too, however, I can now no longer even see the volcano erupting on my computer and I've played with settings a lot and can't get it back.

[@Strelnikov403]

Quick point on St. Vincent specifically - she's named for the saint, not the island named for the same saint. This was a real proposal for naming the G3s, and also included names such as St. George and St. Andrew - the various Patron Saints of Britain.

[@Blacksheep1968]

The RNG bug is still a very real thing whenever a target ship is beached. It is maddeningly consistent.

[@christiansee2500]

"Actually Jingles", the Odin also can't overmatch the St Vincent.

[@Maximilian7992]

Mecklenburg and Brandenburg (and soon to be Anhalt): Are we a joke to you?

[@Frigidblood]

All of which are much more likely to face StV than KGV-class ships.

[@maxkennedy8075]

10:26 that voice sounds like Jeremy Clarkson

[@Snagabott]

Oh come now Jingles... Marlborough guns are not shabby at all! You get loads of them, they reload fast, they have very nice HE performance.. AND, in case a cruiser is broadsiding you, the AP doesn't have that really annoying short fuse that all other countries get rid of once you hit tier 5 and 6.

[@kc9602]

During WWII, goebbals boasted on german radio about how the kriegsmarine had sunk HMS Ganges at least 3 times. HMS Ganges was a Shore Base responsible for basic Naval Training, I believe, at the time!!

[@raymarshall6721]

Kind of like the Japanese claiming to have sunk the Houston over and over until it finally went down

[@johnfisher9692]

This ship is very obviously based on the G3/N3 designs which (if built) had armour that even a Yamato would appreciate. So why is the armour in game so pathetic? Oh that's right, it's a British ship and WGing's mission in life to to make their ships third class compared to fantasy Russian daydreams.

[@Stephen__White]

It's based on the I3 design, and given that design only had 304mm of belt armor I'd say Wargaming giving it 330mm-356mm is actually them up armoring it a bit. So the armor would not have been even remotely comparable to Yamato's 410mm without Wargaming giving it some extra armor.

[@dzello]

What? Conqueror is a great ship, Thunderer is the best ship. Goliath is amazing, Mino is extremely good. As for Daring, it is one of the best. To say British ships are third class makes you a delusional at best and a lunatic at worst.

[@alanhughes6753]

The G3 design had, as a battlecruiser, armour comparable to the Yamato. The N3 battleship had armour that would have put the Yamato to shame - basically it could take on a Yamato in a 1-to-1 and probably win hands down while laughing as the Yamato's 18" shells bounced off its belt.

[@Stephen__White]

@@alanhughes6753 Problem is this is the I3 design, that had fairly terrible armor that was as I've mentioned above nearly 100mm less belt armor compared to Yamato.

[@iKvetch558]

Darn, and here I was hoping that Jingles was going to be doing movie reactions now, too. LOL 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@johnzgamez810]

Ironically, after doing research on it, the Iowa (irl) actually had a better turning circle than the Fletcher class (850~ vs 930~)

[@alganhar1]

Length to beam ratio is why. Destroyers have much longer lengths in comparison to beam, its one way to increase speed without significantly increasing displacement or machinery. Which is fine in destroyers. Battleships main reason for being is those big guns, so they tend to have much shorter lengths in relationship to their beams. Partially simply to take the sheer size of the turrets, but also partly to increase stability for accurate gunnery. Thing about length to beam ratio is while a high length to beam ratio increases speed, it also increases turn radius. Which is why many battleships are actually surprisingly agile for their size. That low length to beam ratio actually cuts down their turning circle. Of course, with a ship as big as an Iowa actual turning circle is only part of the equation. The other part is exactly how quickly can you get sixty something thousand tons of battleship to actually START turning. The much lighter Fletchers while having larger turning circles are much smaller and respond much faster to rudder inputs, so they end up more agile despite that longer turning circle.

[@UmbraFaux]

Jingles. The Dalarna has the same DPM as the Halland despite having one more turret. It's basically a Halland that's bigger with more AA.

[@gfdx3214]

Regarding the names, you can also re-name the old ship. The French had 2 "Jean Bart" battleships, with the first being renamed to Ocean when the 2nd was being built. While I can't remember a British example at the top of my head, this certainly could be possible, with this St. Vincent being a replacement for the dreadnought St. Vincent instead of the onshore base it got

[@starscreammtfan]

St. Vincent does get a superheal and the Drake is T9. (Runs away hearing the shotgun loaded).

[@chaosengine4597]

you can always hide in that shaft over there (points at #13).

[@papatango2362]

My cousin Vinny is a great movie

[@josephlongbone4255]

Why is it a Glass Cannon? the whole point of the G3 design was to fix the issue with the battle cruiser design issue, it was supposed to have 15 inches of Belt armour and 8 inches of deck armour over the Magazine (Hence the all forward armament to reduce weight on armour). What makes it the most interesting of the Washington "cherry trees" is that it represented similar capabilities to the Iowa class (9x16 inch guns, 30+khts, and better armour) but 20 years earlier. The Nelsons were a very cut down version, being 15 thousand tones lighter than the design, and Rodney still ripped the Bismarck apart...

[@karlsenula9495]

Awww heck they should just name the ships after those funny sounding town names from your Frenchie 'Boobies' video.

[@robinburt5735]

Jingles i am surprised you didn't mention Proudmoore's name. It seems almost certain that they have named themselves after the famed World of Warcraft naval family and i know you are/were an avid WoW player

[@gregduggan9906]

Actually Jingles John Jervis, 1st Earl of St Vincent was a admiral

[@sozetsukokai9327]

that ending was...special

[@Tundraviper41]

I have to say on the tier 9 BC for the British line is fun to play with a secondary build. 6 inch guns have 26mm penetration base kit although they are not great, they are not bad. And the tier 9 has a 113mm gun close to the bridge unlike the ST Vincent which is much better then having them all at the stern. Although the 113mm deal purpose guns are fairly weak but the can make destroyers sweat bullets because the fire somewhat quick compared to the orginal British battleship secondary guns.

[@gothia6515]

Soundtrack up until 17:11 (Insert a good epic music playlist) From 17:11 on: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aoezZqiGjdJrjdU

[@geoffreymowbray6789]

Admiral John Jervis was made the 1st Earl Saint Vincent after his victory at the Battle of Cape Saint Vincent in 1797,

[@tomriley5790]

Jingles - the Tier X could also have been named after the Battle of Cape St. Vincent 1797 one of the RN's greatest (I'd say famous but...) victories in the Napoleonic war... 14" guns on the Marlborough are just for firing HE....

[@johnporteous2828]

I think this is the least surprising in the game. All it is is another long-range he spammer, but this one also has good ap as well--and in a British bb--what a surprise. I think the most interesting thing about this ships name is the real class of this design was the St. Andrew making this the The H.M .S. St. Vincent of the St. Andrew class. The only odd thing about it having torpedoes is that with having any torpedoes is good torpedoes. By the way--the Washington Treaty nurfed this ship into the Nelson class( who would have thought --I finally knew something Jingles didn't, it's enough to make a man post).

[@meaty1079]

I really wish you still did ship reviews loved then still watch some of the old ones

[@OElitecorp]

The Zao at the end… I seriously feel bad for veterans of this game who have to play T10 with these players. I’m fairly new to the game (Bismarck and Amagi player) and I make a fair number of mistakes such as pushing at the wrong time or aiming poorly, but I never ever ever do shit like not switching to AP to a broadside cruiser, and I don’t have a single T10 ship. How do people get to T10 and not learn this??? I know in every game people complain about dumb players and everyone has a learning curve, but WoWs is honestly astounding…

[@RD1R]

Average player age is like 45. And the average 45 year old westerner is usually not as open to learning.... Anything. Unlike our gnome.

[@TheL0vecake]

Played since 2015, the last 5 games i have had was lost on the loading screen, 4 of those games i had more base xp than the top player on the winning team, and was the only player on my team to killing anything, mean while i am getting 2000 base xp lost games the bottom of my teams are getting 89 base xp and reporting me for telling them that they are bad at the game. I have come to hate the people like the Zao and Montana, there is no other game EVER that the player base has been so retarded that i would not trust them enough to get in their car while they are driving!

[@tallleprechaun1318]

Honestly, if he was having a really bad day I can understand it. Sometimes I'll be in a heavy cruiser shoot AP at a flat broadside and get just shatters and overpens; although, I do have famously bad luck. For example, I almost never get to delete tier V light cruisers because I'll only ever overpen in a battleship

[@OElitecorp]

@@tallleprechaun1318 yeah I see your logic. It definitely may be the case that I’m just being harsh, people definitely have bad games. Just sometimes feels so obvious it’s egregious! :D

[@tallleprechaun1318]

@@OElitecorp Yeah, I feel to an extent we are both correct just different sides of the same coin.

[@MichaelHFWilkinson]

There was an admiral St. Vincent: John Jervis, 1st Earl St. Vincent

[@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe]

To be fair with the names, let's think that if these ships would ever been built, their original name owners would be also destroyed by Germany or Japan. I mean, USS Hornet (CV-12) were laid down in 3 August 1942 while USS Hornet (CV-8) Sunk 27 October 1942. 14:47 it's a bit hard to be undetected, while the enemy use Radar. :D

[@lumpilumpinski9951]

Ah Jingoroni never change.

[@chankwanting]

The monti at the end probably just had the aim locked to make sure the guns were all pointing in roughly the direction wanted and forgot. Happens.

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

Jingles, if WG nerfs the Vincent after this, I'm holding you personally responsible Also, compared to the Conqueror, the armour is *so* much better. Literally the only weakness is the bow and stern: the superstructures are tiny and the citadel is waterline

[@Unknown.NotRegistered]

"Historical Accuracy" I sure remember the ads.

[@sirnigel4332]

My cousin Vinny is a good movie

[@postron5649]

Really frustrating that he refused to shoot at the Harugumo at the beginning. Yes he got some great broadside shots but the game could have been so much easier if he had killed that DD there. Then again his team would have probably won quicker and he would not have gotten such a good result.

[@warsprite1888]

Dangit jingles - Stop making me cry (let me explain): I had a friend named Vinny (I'll give you One guess which Movie he was named after). Had because he was USAF and he perished after Dessert Storm, he was also my best friend and I still love him so entirely Not your fault but had to give you heck about it anyways. Still enjoying the videos buddy, keep up the good work.

[@williamluster9394]

One theory is that the G3s would have been named for the Saints of the British Isles: St George, St Andrews, St Patrick, etc

[@thomasd4148]

John Jarvis 1st earl st Vincent 7 years war and all that and they look like the battlecruisers designed around 1920

[@pioneer_1148]

St vincent kind of existed. She wasn't called the st Vincent but the G3 class were actually laid down shortly after ww1 with them being canceled due to the washington naval treaty

[@vaughanharris8209]

jingles, personally I think our local 6th form college should be chuffed that WG named a ship after them 😄

[@denali3045]

At 7:15, where did the rest of the Shells go???

[@davidb3352]

MOAR 18 INCH GUNS PLEASE!!! Clearly, WG's attempt to make the really bad players better is to them tons of overmatch options.

[@xplodinkinadiyn7386]

Good morning Jingles 1:30 am in Cali