World of Warships = Minotaur 4k XP

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[@Montrala]

Jingles: British light cruiser decelerate very quicly British light cruisers: sad noises when devstruck after failing to stop in own smoke

[@wonderwaffle5858]

i was gonna say, i sail radar mino a ton, things biggest weakness is that it can’t stop for shit! so many times i accidentally inch around an island and get blown tf up because it doesn’t slow down

[@varanzmaj]

Puiting the ship in full reverse, should decrease it's stopping distance. I have no idea why that works in other ships, but doesn't work in British Cruisers. It's complete bollocks, and should be changed.

[@Montrala]

@@varanzmaj WoWS is complete bollocs :)

[@Montrala]

@@wonderwaffle5858 Im Mino I always sailed out of smoke, so I decided to ditch smoke at all and play radar Mino. Since then my WR on Mino is improving and I really enjoy playing her. Having no smoke makes you not try to rely on it.

[@connycontainer9459]

@@wonderwaffle5858 Same here, radar mino is my absolut favourite, but stopping in time is a gamble everytime.

[@AdamtheRed-]

I wonder what's going to happen in this match. Lucky there are no spoilers in the title.

[@mattschm5486]

You must love the game of throws series

[@AdamtheRed-]

@@mattschm5486 I'm suprised every time! Its always exciting to see which team is more shit than the other. Cheers! Edit: and i really love Jingles content. It amuses me to poke the Gnome Overlord.

[@wstavis3135]

It's Jingles though, it's possible he mistyped.

[@Michael-D-or-MD]

@@wstavis3135 lol, funny if he mistyped 4K XP instead of 4K Damage. A game of throw you off.

[@ace_098]

@@Michael-D-or-MD Perhaps a temp title so he knows what its about before he comes up with a clever title before publishing.

[@Frozone87ZA]

Some points: 1. Mino can stealth radar meaning it's detection is lower than the radar range. That Shima had no chance :) 2. I'm pretty sure Thunderer HE can citadel the Mino at that range - I've done it in my Conqueror and that has smaller caliber guns. Always fun to watch jingles!

[@federicopasotti3231]

was about to mane the same point on the HE shells, Dave got lucky today

[@kaveman3981]

You mean the mongqueror?

[@IIIJG52]

Its certainly possible, but given you dont get any overmatch or going through layers with HE, you do actualy have to directly hit the outside citadel belt for it to work.

[@Frozone87ZA]

@@IIIJG52 certainly indeed, but given the larger and unlayered, stepped nature of the Mino armour this is relatively easy to do.

[@Neneset]

HE has fixed penetration. If Thunderer's HE can citadel a Minotaur (and it can, 114mm HE penetration against 101mm citadel belt) it can do it at any range. The penetration is always the same.

[@tpaktop2_1na]

The Minotaur - I seem to recall reading a technical manual on the gunnery system that the Minotaur would expend all of the ship's ammo within 20 seconds when fired. I hope the support ship is nearby. 😄That is one of the reasons why the Minotaur did not make it out of development.

[@mrb692]

[citation needed] Each gun had a rate of fire of 15-20 rounds a minute, so call it 4 seconds per salvo. That means you get 5 salvos in 20 seconds, times 10 guns for an ammo load out of just 50 shells. Across the entire ship. That seems unlikely.

[@Metal_Auditor]

Surely you mean 20 minutes. 20 seconds would suggest that it only carries 6 rounds per barrel, and that would have been absurd. Still 20 minutes worth of ammo is way too little for a warship.

[@tpaktop2_1na]

@@mrb692 Are you basing your stats on what Wargaming giving us in WoWS, or the real life document that I saw? You should be able to find it on the internet.

[@tpaktop2_1na]

@@Metal_Auditor Get your mind our of Wargaming's World of Physics. Don't base it on false game balances. Why else would the Minotaur project be cancelled IRL? BTW, they had two different gun layouts, one was electric and the other was hydraulic. Both were fast as hell in doing their gunnery functions.

[@mrb692]

@@tpaktop2_1na”Armament: The main gun armament was to be ten Quick-Firing (QF) 6 in (152 mm) Mark V dual-purpose guns in Mk 26 dual mounts. The new Mk 26 mounts had full remote power control (RPC) and featured automatic loading that gave each gun a designed rate of fire of 15-20 rounds per minute, considerably faster than the 6-8 rounds per minute of the older Mk 24 mounts.” From the Wikipedia article on HMS Minotaur (1947) Even if it fired once a second that’s still only 20 shots per gun and 200 main gun rounds carried aboard a warship. That doesn’t pass the sniff test at all. I could maybe see if they meant 20 seconds of full rate firing which then slows as shells need to be moved from magazine into the loader, but not 20 seconds of total trigger time.

[@TheBiggerrich]

Watching him shoot, free look zoom out, look round, shoot etc reminded me of a World of Tanks video you posted way back in the day with someone playing a light tank who almost threw the mouse round 360 degrees every few seconds!

[@deaks25]

11:28 As someone who plays cruiser, and especially CLs like Mino, watching those Thunder shells coming in did make me instinctively want to duck. I also often pray to the "No Armour Is Best Armour" Gods for salvation...

[@IIIJG52]

considering either ammo can citadel a Mino.....

[@testaccountpleaseignore2653]

Pray to the ascended Smolensk

[@Hybridchld]

Watched this on Stats' stream and knew it would be here. One hell of a performance

[@doubledouble4g379]

I've not played WoTs in 5 years now, and I MIGHT have a grand total of 6-7 hours in WoWs. It's a testament to Jingles' talent as a CC that I still watch these videos. Cheers!

[@buttonv2414]

I wish I could have 3 of the 2 caps!

[@JamesBrady-rl7pz]

I wondered if I was the only one who heard that. Jingles never change.

[@Mark_Bickerton]

This reminds me of a desperate fight I had in the Belfast, it was a ding dong match, but I managed to sink the enemy Bismarck, just before the game ended to take the win. I then forgot about the game for a few weeks, until I logged in one morning and there was a shiny new Nelson in my port. After much head scratching I worked out that I had entered a WG competition for the Highest base XP ( I think in a British ship) and when I checked my stats, It was that battle with 3,700 something, that had won me the Nelson. I then wished I'd had replays turned on, but alas I was stuck with just a few fleeting memories of the game!

[@tanker6473]

Just for future reference Jingles, take control of the camera and save us from the nauseating zoom tricks.

[@BigTallLankyDude]

2:20 the Shima did not get spotted and then radar'd, it was spotted _by_ radar because Best noticed the RPF nearest enemy was someone other than the visible Grosser Kurfurst.

[@BigTallLankyDude]

Having said that, it is possible the Shima was spotted visually by the Z52 pretty much at the same time as the radar went off, as the Shima is 8.4km away and the Z was 2.9km in that same direction - a separation of about 5.5km between them. This is part of the awkwardness of DDs detecting less stealthy DDs. The separation is not very far outside your own spotting distance when you see the other DD, even if you are the stealthier of the two.

[@thepiratemongoose8965]

The Z-52 should have popped his hydro the instant he got spotted by something he couldn't see; his detection radius is 6.1 and his hydro range is 6. At that point in the battle you're almost certainly sailing toward each other, so you close that 100m distance in a second, then you can smoke up and kill the enemy DD while it tries to disengage and/or fire blind. Dude played that exceptionally badly. The Shima was never gonna get away from that encounter due to the radar Minotaur, but the friendly Z-52 was just an idiot

[@Nighthunter6666]

@@BigTallLankyDude Go and rewatch the video. The Mino used radar as soon as it was spotted. The Shima WAS spotted by the radar right after that. But since they didn't immediately turn away, the 2 DDs entered each other's spotting range as well.

[@markcostello5120]

12:15 His team has impeccable map control

[@mwizard1464]

Love the Mino! Was my first T10 ship. Great video choice Jingles! Always a pleasure.

[@str333ak]

Jingles: sees deepwater torps Also Jingles: That can't be the last dd, might be the enemy minotaur or the jinan They're deepwaters. LOL this is why i watch jingles

[@zetsubouda]

Incredible. Thank you to all three involved in seeing that this made it here. Wish I knew more than a few words of Chinese to congratulate this player on an incredible performance and well earned rewards!!

[@FV_Ops]

I'm sure they would appreciate it, but as I only know some mandarin, I also wouldn't know the best way to write congratulations in traditional Chinese; good thing Google does 😜

[@lightwalker222]

Jingles: *misspeaks* Comment section: "...and I took that personally"

[@Some_Guy6]

If i get targeted by a carrier in my battleship (around tier 9/10) I often die within the 2 first minutes of the game. Especially when there are 2. And we all know how good the AA/Speed/Turning circle is on most battleships......... And if you're unlucky, add submarine guided torpedo's to the mix.

[@koizumiizumi5426]

'three of the 2 caps' XD

[@ahseaton8353]

At about 8;00

[@EducatedTiger]

Wish we could see his damage breakdown. I bet a decent chunk of that xp is thanks to the spotting damage rebalance, considering how well he used that radar. Well done indeed.

[@mudman619]

sometimes watching these, it feels like we're in a animal documentary narrated by Sir David Attenborough, lol. Maybe it's Jingle's accent & manner of speaking. "There's a wild Jinan lurking, he doesn't like to get shot." lol. I mean this in a good way, btw, lol.

[@sexyxenomorph]

That white knuckle last few seconds was intense! Damn dude, well done!

[@Vinemaple]

Jingles, at 19:11, the enemy Thunderer didn't miss. Best _dodged._ The Minotaur's handling is just that good, and Best clearly knows as much as Yuro about how ships turn! StatsBloke is right about the friendly team's positioning. If you see most of your team congregating in a single area, especially over a long period of time, it's a red flag, and you need to bring your A game and get your packframe ready for a big carry... or decide not to bother, and play to maximize your XP earned. The good news is, the rest of your team won't be doing much damage, so there'll be more for you to farm, if you can stay afloat.

[@CP-tm7be]

Heh. Deep water torps go by.. "Those might be the enemy Minotaur torpedoes." Never change, Jingles. What? No, no, I'm not slacking, I'll have my salt assessment in on time, sir. Sheesh.

[@davidrobinson4553]

Thank's Jingles I enjoyed watching that, and thank's Stats for sending it in I used to enjoy his channel before I fled the Suckmarine Scurge and abandoned WoWs. 👍🇬🇧🍻

[@dreamweaver8616]

Our favorite thing... A Jingles Moment where He should obviously know he should not say wrong thing but does it anyway, Be cause he is Jingles our favorite mis-stating the obvious. At 08:05 to 08:12 Jingles states "the Enemy now Control 3 of the 2 caps". Love Jingles but you should know there is 3 caps and they control 2 yet you managed to swtch them around.... Again and we love ya for it ^^ The smile that made my day ^^

[@CED99]

"The enemy team now have 3 of the 2 caps..." Actually Jingles... nah nevermind 😂 8:06

[@xConundrumx]

@5:46 "Where are those torpedoes coming from? ... Oh they might be from the enemy Minotaur" ... Oh Jingles, they are deepwater torps ma dude...

[@crazywarriorscatfan9061]

My exact thought lmao

[@PaleImperator]

"Carrier people got... no-body. Carrier people got... no-body, Carrier people got... no-body to love!"

[@freetolook3727]

When I first got my Minotaur, I immediately had to try the quick turn feature of being able to turn without losing any speed and was amazed. As far as I know, it's the only ship in the game that can do that.

[@h0rk3d]

I reckon some DDs ought to be able to it as well but I dont know for sure.

[@ericlestick7325]

I thought this was just clickbait. I didn't realize it was you, Mr. J.

[@redharvst8638]

The dude was lucky in the composition of ships - with carriers being and staying spotted in a Mino is all too common. Fun but difficult ship in today's meta.

[@h0rk3d]

The cruiser community is being oppressed!

[@jamesray4999]

Seriously Jingles, "where are those torpedoes coming from?" They're deep water torps and you JUST saw a Jinan smoke up in the cap circle in line with where they came from. Come on, man! 😄

[@stevewebster5729]

That was a great battle to watch. Superb play from the Mino

[@johnojeda3900]

Is that supposed to be a silver, or transparent camo for the Minotaur? If it is silver, they did an amazing job off modeling the reflection of the ship on the water, because I can see the reflection of the Wake on the ship and it looks awesome.

[@tyler_bt3326]

It’s chrome

[@hobo3813]

Pretty sure it's the 10k steel perma camo

[@markstott6689]

Minotaur is my favourite ship by far. When the stars align she's a beast 😊

[@philipdawes2661]

Radar Mino gets you addicted to adrenaline :)

[@commodorce6431]

Oh yes those deep water torps definitely came from the enemy minator 5:40

[@lcarus42]

He was in the RNGods good graces today. That was some nice juking.

[@TheMadness51]

The solo cap was worth that many points? What pushed it to 4k base xp?

[@Joe-sn6ir]

weegee voodoo

[@Go4Corvette]

Almost 1AM and am watching Jingles 👀 take care, Mike in the USA

[@Meonium]

Man, grinding Neptune to unlock Mino was a hellish experience

[@EvoraGT430]

It has been buffed a few times though.

[@tomriley5790]

Neptune's fine - best DPM of any tier IX ship, just have to be careful with its smoke spotting if you use smoke. I've been using it with radar in ranked - have to be careful but its damage dealing capability if you get it right is massive.

[@arduous222]

I actually enjoyed Neptune more than Mino.

[@andreasmuller4666]

Jingles, is it possible to tune down the volume of the ships stearing/engine setting sounds in replays? The constant "ting ting ting ting" when the player sets engine power or rudder settings is loud enough to go over your commentary at times. (and is frankly a bit anoying)

[@ph8enix]

Incredible game. But watching this almost made me motion sick. This "zoom in, shoot, zoom out" combined with the Minotaur's reloading speed was a bit much ^^

[@DarthBlazer.]

Hearing that throttle the whole game is gonna get old

[@Alpashadow10]

5:47, that was the jinan torpedo because a deep water torp, that only can be found in pan asia line

[@RealKaldrac]

At some point, all the carrier captains, Jingles has joked about over the years, will band together and watch from afar how their hired goon beats up Jingles

[@stephanvandenadel4647]

Fun fact: did you know that the mouse in The movie The Green Mile is called JIngels...

[@aviral3464]

10/10 creativity on that name. Pride of the royal navy you are 🤣

[@billwales4861]

This is how the British won the Matapan battle, they got tucked in, stopped, behind the islands, the Italians didn't . True naval tactics shown here I must say. Other unrealistic design features include getting to see an enemy ship from behind an island (or smoke) because another friendly ship or plane can see it. So you get to look out from the bridge and see all spotted enemy ships though your holographic display windows on the bridge instead of on a mini map type display as they have in modern ships.

[@DevilWarshipper]

Imagine your surprise when you realise that modern ships pretty much never actually have visual range on any of their targets, unless it’s a small gunboat patrolling for pirates. In other news, video game has gameplay features shocker! You won’t believe number 11!

[@swordmonkey6635]

I play a Mino regularly... not always the most wisely. That Thunderer on the flank... I would've rushed it. Gone full power bow on and wiggled and zig and zagged until torp range. It's amazing what some enemy players do when you do the unexpected. They will sometimes freeze or do the exact wrong thing. The main gun shots from the Thunderer can be timed for evasion. The secondaries would hurt, but what fun. lol

[@syedushherahmad311]

Acshually jingles, the second last salvo that thunderer missed was due to the aiming system being so outdated, it doesnt take into account the ships drift or turn.

[@EvoraGT430]

The Mino player used it well to survive.

[@paulvamos7319]

Minotaur goes Bbrrrr DD goes blub, blub cruiser goes oh s**t, blub, blub BB goes Damn, get these B's away from me, Blub CV goes, Nope, Blub, Blub! 🤣 GG and thanks for sharing!

[@FredrikLagerstrom]

About the torps in the first half, only Jinan has the deepwater version of torps, not the enemy Minotaur. "So there it is: The Enemy possesses 3 of the 2 caps." Ooh Jingles...

[@SirHaviland]

To the saltmines you go...

[@Salty_raven]

Fun fact about the Minotaur, it never had the guns it have in the game. It had the same guns as the Neptune. Also.. It should be a Commonwealth ship. The ship never served in the British navy. The ship name was set to be Minotaur while it was built, but it was transferred to the Royal Canadian navy when it was finished and renamed Ontario.

[@wstavis3135]

The enemy has three of the two caps...... I legitimately had to pause the video at that, just to make sure I WASN'T drinking.

[@pip5528]

This could've easily been A Game of Throws but I won't spoil which team it is.

[@Jake-qz5uf]

"The enemy team has secured 3 of the 2 caps..." Jingles, I don't think Math works the way you think it does lol

[@johnnyenglish583]

Jingles is crossing the boundaries of ordinary maths. We, mere mortals, wouldn't comprehend it.

[@LesterSuggs]

0:40 Carrier Players - LOL!

[@concordemakesvideos1070]

So the existence of a domination battle must imply there is a subination battle.

[@ElsinoreRacer]

"..they accelerate and DEcelerate very quickly." No, they do not decelerate quickly. Which you must never forget while jockeying around in smoke.

[@bobbwc7011]

Look at this fucking glorious steel camouflage.

[@browner_77]

Does anyone remember a short clip Jingles put in front of a replay, with I think the Hood or Nelson going a very british passby, with Jingles narrating acting the exchange?

[@h0rk3d]

Dat turret turn speed is the only thing about the Mino that I truly envy. Edit: Look at the map though, this is how 8/10 of my games develop. All team mates wanking in spawn waiting for someone else to spot so they can play shooting gallery with no risk. Best is the only ship in the front and he is a light cruiser. Everyone else just stack up and run away. Its pathetic and pissing me off just watching this replay.

[@h0rk3d]

No Guts, No Glory

[@travelwell8098]

Ahem...Jingles..... that Shima was spotted by the radar..... he was not spotted before the radar was activated.

[@loganmiller4863]

Wow, the turret traverse on the mino is crazy.

[@h0rk3d]

IMO what makes this ship OP. High fire rate, ok fair enough. Add astronomical traverse speed, wohaa hold up. If only we had limited ammo.

[@Huimanoidi]

that zoom jerk made my brain hurt

[@varanzmaj]

Currently gridning my way up the British CL line. I'm doing it the hard way. Playing the Edinburgh as a radar cruiser. It's hard, and I don't do much damage but on those occasions when I do get a halfway decent team that pays attention, it's a lot of fun. I'm not looking forward to the Neptune....but I can't wait for the Mino.

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

Suggestion: don't play radar Neptune. It's too clumsy and big for it to work effectively. Minotaur is stealthier and handles better, and the two ships feel quite different overall.

[@np34g]

Jingles! Minotaur is actually a CANADIAN ship! The minotaur class was given the to Royal Canadian Navy upon completion, and HMS Minotaur became HMCS ONTARIO - and served with the RCN up until the 60's, alongside the majestic class aircraft carrier - HMCS Bonaventure! Please help us grow awareness about the RCN so that we can finally get the public to support meeting our NATO spending commitments!

[@EniochHL]

Wrong Minotaur there, friend.

[@np34g]

@@EniochHL Surely these are the evolutions of the Fiji, and not the Design Z's, no?

[@EniochHL]

@@np34g Correct. The real life Minotaur- (or Swiftsure)-class were essentially Fijis with better fire control. The Minotaur as we see it in WoWs was never built.

[@np34g]

@@EniochHL Ah. So these are the design Z's?

[@EniochHL]

@@np34g The Minotaur in-game is the Design Z, never-built. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minotaur-class_cruiser_(1947) The Minotaur built and given over to Canada was a Swiftsure/Minotaur 1943 class en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minotaur-class_cruiser_(1943)

[@nobodyuknow4911]

8:06 "...the enemy team now have three of the two caps"......... No wonder they are doing so well!

[@jacobliefeld9248]

My xp record is 4330xp… in the Smolensk. Don’t have the replay, sadly, but I remember I got it on the ocean map.

[@adammarcinkowski-ko3el]

Mine 5.239base xp on Musashi 8 kills battle , I dont have replay either that happen 2019 and I did not knew about replays , but I have taken poor quality photo of end stats with my phone :)

[@GritimoTheOdd]

Well done that Ship!

[@TheBiggerrich]

Just watched this video, then gone to comment and seen that I commented a year ago 🤣 hope you’re on the mend old chap!

[@gamkem1405]

Minotaur, love it but definitely have to use islands and not push with it. Great support ship with hydro and radar and torpedoes. o7 Jingles!

[@limbekcs]

Actually, Jingles, 5:45 - you're right: even sunk Shimas can't launch deep water torps : )

[@arkadikharovscabinetofcuri3465]

My favorite ship in the game, hands down. Well haven’t played the super ship version

[@yellowblackbird9000]

Because you can get the Minos detection down to 9km and it's radar has a 10km range it's one of the few ships in the game that can radar trap DDs. Once you get spotted but you can't see what is spotting you just pop your radar and it's game over.

[@platapus112]

Jingles has ran out of words to describe videos apparently

[@RichardHardslab]

Good old fashioned Memetaur, the best Minotaur

[@mattray9359]

Thank you gingles for another great video, a little while ago you mentioned someone who you listen to due to his calming voice who is that please?

[@Tuishimi]

:D I laughed in rhythm with you in those open carrier comments.

[@Tuishimi]

Hmmm. That didn't sound right, reading it back.

[@ScottStathis]

19:10 Thunderer! How do you fuck that up at that range? 😂

[@treeherder42]

Just a note but thunderer HE is not safe for minotaur. Mino gets a 100mm exposed citadel belt, capable of bouncing all AP in the game, assuming it hits that and not the 16-19mm (forget which) armor everywhere else. Thunderer on the other hand gets 114mm of HE pen, from any angle meaning technically a minotaur can angle against a satsuma or yammy and take it on the belt for no damage, but thunderer can citadel it with HE from any angle where it can hit that belt.

[@craiglindsey6822]

"The enemy team now has 3 of the 2 caps" that is a neat trick

[@SirMoake]

Mino is by far my favourite ship. I play it with radar. There is no more satisfying than spotting a DD in smoke and sending down enough shells to kill it by the time the smoke appears above the stacks. Most Mino players I encounter with seem to use radar nowadays.

[@vladdrakul7851]

Jingles IS clickbait himself!

[@TrashedRedPanda]

I don't think I've ever been this early to a jungle video lol. Cracking battle though.

[@Miooni]

Can we talk about his throttle control? Like jeez

[@dal6514]

"prpr" is a Japanese onomatopoeia for 'lick'. "prpr" = pero pero.

[@archiaylien9650]

I love this series, carrying my happiness in the worst of times.

[@niki8280]

That was probably a desync from lag that saved him from the COnqueror

[@matto9734]

Holy cow, this guy is nervous! Couldnt watch this...

[@Tuishimi]

Mino is a fun ship. I reset my line, I need to get back up to it.

[@JonMI6]

That Mino WAS a torpedo at the end

[@tigercat3864]

gg. The mirror camo is cool too.

[@EvoraGT430]

Steel camo.

[@Raycheetah]

"...He's in his Tier 10 carrier, the Obnoxious." =^[.]~=

[@Phryxil]

I never realized how irritating the throttle change noise can be, until this video.

[@deadhorsegaming4121]

I tried to enjoy this video but every time action started, it turned into a nauseating collage of rapidly panning the camera around & zooming in/out. I get that that's how the player was playing but... is there a way to take control of the camera with these replays?

[@bigdoguk9845]

That steel camo on the mino?

[@zambo978]

Havent played for a couple of years but you can score easily citadels with high tier british bbs even with explosive shells targeting mino and other light cruisers In fact it might be easier than ap😅