Bold and the Beautiful - 1994 (S8 E165) FULL EPISODE 1916

Stephanie is shocked that Connor is representing Dylan. Macy's doctor tells her he found an irregularity in her throat x-ray. Stephanie tells Teresa that Jessica and Dylan are secretly seeing one another. Teresa tells the judge and the judge orders Dylan to stay away from Jessica until the trial. Sally tells Anthony she will do whatever it takes to help Dylan and Jessica.
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Episode: 165
Season: 8
Original Air Date: November 15, 1994
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[@leviaj1]

There's been a lot said about the natural and easy chemistry between Jeff Trachta and Bobbie Eakes. What I also find is that, perhaps mostly due to both their performances, Thorne and Macy come across as more human and accessible than the other characters on the show. These are the kind of people you'd happily have over for dinner because they're friendly, down to earth, and real. It says a lot that I feel more for Macy and her upcoming battles with throat cancer, than I do for Taylor who is being held captive by a psychotic prince. Macy is just so much more grounded in reality.

[@Nathalie_0305]

@leviaj1 I totally agree with you! Thorne and Macy are more like the couple next door, down to earth and easy and fun to be around. I said it before, but as a still huge fan of Jeff & Bobbie, I love this storyline and everything what will follow in the next months ❤️

[@annieo6527]

I agree - Thorne and Macy come across as real people with real feelings, and it makes it much easier to empathize with them compared to anyone involved in the Moroccan storyline. Macy trying to hide her worries behind a casually cheerful tone of voice just hits much closer to home than Taylor screaming and tearing her clothes to shreds. It's this low key, "normal", lighthearted acting style that makes it absolutely heartbreaking when something extraordinarily bad does happen.

[@annlavine3576]

I empathize with Thorn and Macy and Taylor Some others not so much They cause their own drama

[@leviaj1]

@@annieo6527 I wonder what the show would be like if it was rooted in the rivalry between the Forresters and the Spectras, with Thorne and Macy as the main supercouple, as opposed to the Forresters and the Logans, with Ridge and Brooke as the main supercouple. The Logan/Forrester dynamic went off the rails the moment it became incestous. The Forresters vs Spectras/Thorne and Macy storylines give us so much more to root for.

[@catherinesvbialosh7260]

Agreed

[@CurlyGirly9559]

So after the judge threatens to throw Dylan in jail in he speaks to Jessica again and after Dylan publicly says he understands and agrees not to peak to Jessica, he turns around and says I need to talk to Jessica. I always knew Dylan wasn't too bright but this just confirms it.

[@parker341]

Where the heck is Eric? Why isn't he in court for a case involving _his_ niece? 😒

[@sharonstewart4882]

Thank you! Why is Eric absent in this storyline when he's also Jessica's guardian and her blood relative??

[@TriniT21]

Where the heck is Eric is always the question.. He's only around when there's some young tail to chase. I keep saying he was the one who was most desirous of wanting to press charges against Dylan and now he has disappeared bc of his marriage troubles, as usual leaving Steph to deal with everything. And you are right.. Jessica is not even Steph's blood relative.. She needs to pack Jessica off to Eric and Sheila's. Sheila wants a Forrester child.. Jessica is it 😂

[@NewYorkNick0607]

@@TriniT21 Eric doesn't even care about _his own_ underaged kid (Eric Jr) much less his brother's.

[@sharonstewart4882]

@@NewYorkNick0607 Eric only cares about his daughter wives right Nick? 😉

[@NewYorkNick0607]

@@sharonstewart4882 Exactly. Eric doesn't know Jessica's court date but I bet he knows Brooke's flight schedule.

[@annieo6527]

"Don't worry, it's not contagious!" This is what I always liked about the Spectras - with them there's always a very fine line between comedy and tragedy, between laughter and tears. Macy is joking about her sore throat, and the other day it was Sally joking about Macy's coughing fit (until she realized it actually _was_ a genuine coughing fit). Also, it says a lot about Macy's character that her focus when talking about her doctor's appointment is not her own concerns about her health, but reassuring Thorne *first* that _he_ isn't going to get sick, and *second* that he shouldn't worry about _her_ being sick. She is entirely focused not on herself but on Thorne in an interaction that is actually _about her._

[@parker341]

It's a reflection of a disturbing reality too that a lot of women put men first, even above their own health and well-being.

[@annieo6527]

@@parker341 and this is definitely true of Macy, as proven in this storyline. She cares far more about Thorne's well-being than her own, even if it means risking her life.

[@NewYorkNick0607]

*Emerson:* "Have you confronted Jessica?" *Stephanie:* "I don't want to do that. I just want to stop him." Again Stephanie is using the law and the arm of the state to deal with private and personal matters.

[@TriniT21]

A better use of her power to have the state at her beck and call, would have been to have found out Taylor was alive and basically being held hostage by Omar, and calling the Feds on him (she could also call Lt Burke but I feel like Morocco might be slightly out his jurisdiction lol

[@annieo6527]

I think it's only natural that the law on B&B is a kind of extension of Stephanie's will. After all, the law is a sort of personification of the "rules of the B&B universe", and Stephanie is the "ruler". So when Stephanie uses the law to deal with her private matters, she is basically seeking validation from "the universe" for her own point of view. And being the powerful character that she is, she usually gets it. What is interesting in this case is Sally's role as a representative of something more "chaotic" - she has a big heart but is a natural rule breaker. And the writing is actually ambivalent in this storyline as to who is morally in the right.

[@NewYorkNick0607]

@@annieo6527 Oh Annie I LOVE that interpretation! I've compared the Stephanie/Brooke feud as one where Old World Tradition clashes with Modern Romanticism and there's a similar dynamic between Stephanie and Sally. As the traditionalist, Stephanie embodies rules and propriety and norms so naturally she would marshal the law to defend the status quo (and her niece's "honor"). But Sally is more modern in her outlook, more subversive and not just a norm-breaker like Brooke but _an actual law-breaker_ (constantly stealing from Forrester Creations) so naturally she would feel sorry for the young lovers and scoff at the statutory laws. There's a kind of Mark Twain moralism going on here where -- as he depicted in _Huckleberry Finn_ -- society and the law may actually be standing for the wrong thing (slavery in that case) and it takes someone uncouth and outside proper society to see that (Huck Finn/Sally).

[@annieo6527]

@@NewYorkNick0607 exactly! And this is one of those cases where the writing _doesn't_ side unambiguously with Stephanie but appears to lean towards supporting Sally's point of view (case in point, Sally has _Connor_ - usually a representative of reason - on her side!).

[@NewYorkNick0607]

@@annieo6527 And as you said in another thread, this would all work better if the couple at the center of it was root-able. But there's nothing between Jessica and Dylan. And I agree with you that the casting of Jessica is the main problem. Dylan Neal isn't the greatest actor but there's room on soaps for a stunningly beautiful man - they just needed to make the character hungrier and put him in s ex ie r situations. But Jessica really needed to be played by a strong young actress who the audience could identify with (because Dylan is the "object"). They needed to find the next Heather Tom.

[@Angelika....]

Poor Macy.... i just wished she for once has a really good time.

[@carerforever2118]

I think Macy should move away. Live in another state away from Throne and Anothony. She needs to be dating other people that she doesn't know. Get job in another state.

[@NewYorkNick0607]

Frustrated that his client didn't tell him everything, Connor takes Dylan back to his office for some light spanking.

[@parker341]

Your rewrites are always better than the actual show 😄

[@ajax34]

And then Dylan cries on Connor's broad shoulder over the fact that he can't see Jessica anymore.

[@laurastrobel718]

😄

[@sharonstewart4882]

👀🍿🤚

[@leviaj1]

And then one thing leads to another and Donner is born! Jessica who?😂

[@parker341]

While it's nice to see an Asian actor on this show for a change, this is exactly what I was referring to about how actors of color were often relegated to these side "legal" roles in the 90s (prosecutor/judge). It was a way for Hollywood to claim diversity and representation by making these high status professions characters of color to "correct" previous depictions of them as criminals or uneducated. But it was just dressing up the same old problem in different garb because these roles were marginalized and the characters still lacked subjectivity and storylines of their own. This happened _a lot_ in the 90s. In movies like _A Few Good Men, The Client, Primal Fear,_ and _The Rainmaker_ (just to name a few) the judges are played by actors of color and none of the main characters are. On _The Practice_ and _Ally McBeal,_ there were a number of judges played by great characters actors of color but they were just a rotation of side roles and when they needed a judge to be a real character with a real storyline, they got Dyan Cannon and Holland Taylor.

[@awardego]

This is a great observation and a sad truth about the film/television industry in the 90s. And this was seen as progressive back then!

[@TriniT21]

Yes, this has been something @tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763 also observed. YR did a much better job of integrating ppl of colour into storylines. And not necessarily stereotyping them (Altho I do find they would start off their POC character as a stereotype, then make them mainstream). I actually wish they'd had the guy playing the judge on as a steady character (he could still pay a judge) with his own family. And I wish they had kept on Ruth and family!

[@TriniT21]

As much as the story is a bit of a snooze fest... I liked the judge a lot lol. The naivety of Jessica and the stupidity of Dylan is exactly why they need someone to intervene. As it is, they are allowing any and everybody who sounds like they agree with them, to influence them into making things worse. All Dylan, the adult, had to do was wait the few months til Jessica was a legal adult.. Then they could do whatever they want.

[@-Lily7415]

The Forresters are rich .They should hire a driver to take Jessica to school and back home.Since she won’t stop seeing Dylan she needs to be monitored.But this is a soap where nothing makes Sense .Like Jessica’s parents missing .

[@mara4450]

They could call and involve Jessica's parents, they could take Jessica to a family mediator, they could hire a bodyguard, Stephanie could open up to Jessica about her own past and how she had to leave college because of getting pregnant during freshman year, ... but instead Stephanie turns to the DA and expects the law/police to keep Dylan away from Jessica.

[@waynedumas5523]

Poor Macy. Always the underdog

[@nadianikolov]

Always.😢

[@andream5998]

Eric, rigde and brad are dumb for this nonsens. Stephanie accepting Brooke is absolutely wild. No person in their right mind would ever accepting their former husbands mistress/wife as a daughter in law. Stephanie has every reason to hate Brooke.

[@chynam7569]

Stephanie is trying to control Jessica....same way she tried with Felicia..no wonder Felicia run away and Kristen hated her at one point.

[@semoneg2826]

Very true ....

[@lil_jon411]

Her niece was violated by an adult and that adult (or the victim) don’t even see what they did wrong. She’s doing the right thing as an adult

[@francoisekoko6068]

Stéphanie is shocked that the attorney is Connor davis?? Wait is there another one in town??😂😂😂 One attorney one doctor one commissioner one D.A 😂😂😂

[@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763]

One Lieutenant, 1 psychiatrist, only 3 designers 😂

[@francoisekoko6068]

@@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Angelika....]

😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@semoneg2826]

Lol

[@nadianikolov]

Stormy,but he lives in San Francisco.

[@tobydean7097]

Jessica should not be sharing anything about she and Dylan especially to ivana?!!!! 😢

[@Genuineheart2912]

Sally should be focused on more on her own daughter then more on this case with Dylan & Jessica she's about to have health crisis coming soon she will need her support 😐🙄

[@MrCraigblaze]

Thanks for the upload !!

[@Angelika....]

So thanks to Ivana its gettung worse for Dylon and Jessica. 😞

[@MrCraigblaze]

it is .

[@jackieesposito4073]

Is it really her fault tho? The person who keeps getting Dylan into worse trouble is Jessica!! She can’t keep her mouth shut!!

[@annlavine3576]

Stephanie too

[@maxinemccartney5284]

What a hypocrite. Stephanie lived her life as a teen without interference.

[@annieo6527]

Although the things she fears will happen to Jessica actually _did_ happen to her. She got pregnant as a teenager and never got her college education.

[@mara4450]

@@annieo6527 Will Stephanie during that SL ever tell Jessica about Stephanie's experiences?

[@annieo6527]

@@mara4450 No! That's a huge missed beat.

[@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763]

@@annieo6527 wasn't she already in college when she got pregnant?

[@annieo6527]

​@@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763 yes, she was a freshman. But obviously she would never have graduated because she became Mrs Eric Forrester, wife and mother.

[@ninaintranova9764]

Queen Stephanie, so bitter and lonely with her life that must mess up other poeple lives pffff!!!

[@semoneg2826]

As always lol...that's Stephanie for you

[@ninaintranova9764]

@@semoneg2826 her character of course and that’s how « Bell » wants her to be . so not FOR ME!!! , But i think Sunsan Flannery is a great actress!

[@greengirlbluehair]

So true

[@blackblake3658]

Jessica is pretty. But let's be real. This storyline is silly and hard to believe because no way handsome Dylan is risking it all for whiny blah blah Jessica. A good-looking dude on a baseball scholarship with models chasing him is not going to jail over this girl.

[@TriniT21]

Right? I guess he's supposed to be the "sensitive jock" 😒

[@NewYorkNick0607]

Thank you! I didn't want to be mean but it's so true. They really wasted a character/actor as gorgeous as Dylan. He should've been a guilty summer pleasure in s ex y storylines, not this dreary dreck.

[@TriniT21]

@@NewYorkNick0607 that's who Sally should have been chasing 😂. Nice young hunk of man.

[@jackieesposito4073]

Her voice is like nails on a chalkboard- especially when she’s upset- which is all the time. And she certainly had a hand in getting him in trouble. Blabbing to the DA, to Ivana- if she kept her mouth closed this may have blown over!

[@NewYorkNick0607]

@@TriniT21 _That_ would be more fun! 😄 Dylan really should've been the object of desire for multiple women on the show (including Sheila for her baby-making scheme).

[@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763]

Anthony would know all about Connor's "good hands" (15:40)

[@MrCraigblaze]

Macy cloud be the next Lauren Fremore from Y&R with her singing voice !! 😅😅

[@yasmminkalpesi4605]

Thank you. ❤❤❤

[@laurastrobel718]

Nice looking suits in this episode. Wonder if they were treated with Belief? 🤔😊

[@TriniT21]

Well they _were_ wrinkle free 😁

[@laurastrobel718]

@@TriniT21 Guaranteed to be sweat resistant for those important court dates 🥵🤗

[@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763]

better suits than what we normally see. Can Dylan afford a Forrester original?

[@laurastrobel718]

@@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763 It would be funny if Dylan had taken his suit from Forrester when he packed up his things and Stephanie recognized it.🤭🔥

[@TriniT21]

@@laurastrobel718 😂😂 Steph : "Your Honor. He also stole a Forrester Original! Off with his head!!"

[@marypeter5161]

Poor Macy will be diagnosed with throat cancer

[@jackieesposito4073]

No spoilers please!! 😢

[@marypeter5161]

@@jackieesposito4073 sorry

[@annieo6527]

This "ironic cancer" plot is a recurring theme with Macy. It's like whenever she really really wants something, some rogue cell goes "hmm, not gonna happen" and starts dividing uncontrollably. *spoiler* First she wants a singing career and gets throat cancer and loses her voice. Then she wants a baby and her husband gets testicular cancer and drops dead. Then she wants a baby again and she gets uterine cancer and loses her ability to bear children.

[@semoneg2826]

​@@annieo6527Really wow

[@Dianasville]

Anthony is a big baby

[@saviodesilva7933]

Dylan Jessica storyline is soooooo boring.

[@BonnChnd]

I’ll say that at least this particular episode is a nice break from the longest and most boring honeymoon in Soap history 🤷‍♀️

[@saviodesilva7933]

@@BonnChnd true. I'll take a teenager and an adult anyday over boring Bridge

[@BonnChnd]

@@saviodesilva7933 😂😂

[@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763]

@@lastdayonearthmysteryman4849 It's not legal in California. That goes to show the South is only conservative when it suits them

[@annieo6527]

I could see the Jessica/Dylan storyline working as a "star-crossed young lovers" type of plot, if only the characters involved had better chemistry. The problem is that this couple doesn't actually have anything that keeps them together. There is no connection, no explanation _why_ they are so in love with each other (and why Dylan would prefer Jessica over Ivana who in spite of her wooden acting still has more life in her than Jessica). Jessica was head over heels in love with Dylan the moment he gave her a random rose (sorry for bringing it up, Trish!), and Dylan's love for Jessica is even more inexplicable because she radiates negativity, low self esteem and immaturity, and acts more like Dylan's star-struck kid sister than his girlfriend (even the show has a problem explaining what Dylan sees in Jessica). So we're left wondering what exactly they are fighting for. There is also the problem that neither of them, individually, evokes any feelings of sympathy. Neither of them is particularly well-defined in terms of personality (and what is defined is not necessarily likable). Jessica is an annoying teenager whose most prominent character trait is that she plays the violin badly. And Dylan seems too confident, too much the "most popular guy on campus", to make us feel sorry for him - we know he will never have a problem finding a girlfriend whether or not it works out with Jessica. So where are the stakes for us viewers? I think Jessica in particular is miscast. In order for this storyline to work, it would have been so much better if she had been intellectually mature (like they tried but failed to portray her at the very beginning with her interest in classical music, literature, and the writings of Dr Warwick) and not awkward but an unapologetic introvert. Then it would have made more sense for her to connect with an older guy. Jessica on the other hand comes across as if she'd be out of her depth in a conversation with Kevin about bank accounts.

[@mara4450]

I have wondered about Dylan too. He is supposed to be older and so more mature, but climbing into Jessica's bedroom or regularly secretly meeting your girlfriend, when you have been arrested and indicted, is just kinda dumb and immature. But when I went back to the episode, when Dylan meets Eric for the first time and has his internship interview, Eric mentions that Dylan is a *freshman* at college, even when Dylan already knows what he wants to do as his major and that he wants to be finished and out in 3 years. Dylan also mentions to Eric that if he wouldn't have his baseball scholarship, he couldn't afford UCLA. But yes, the writers should have written a better story to show and explain why they had fallen so quickly for each other and why Dylan is willing to risk everything for Jessica.

[@galoutlaw8089]

I agree with everything. You've explained it beautifully.

[@bettyhopson]

Annie, really great analysis about Jessica and Dylan. I think you nailed everything perfectly. I’ve really not been able to watch Jessica that much because her character is so dull. And Dylan doesn’t help…they both seem so immature. Bad casting for Jessica and I’m not sure on Dylan? 😏

[@aichunhuang5389]

Can each day update more episodes please?

[@nadianikolov]

01:46 I love this song so much.😊

[@smcpherson6589]

❤❤❤ " I doubt Macy is thinking about me..." Anfunee is quite right as he utters these words. Macy is kissing Thorne! Sally is trying to sway Anthony towards a new show stopper. Icy Ivana has told on Jessica about her involvement with Dylan. Queen Stephanie is in the courtroom! Hmm! Angel/Trinidad. ❤❤❤

[@TriniT21]

Anfurnee 😂😂

[@annieo6527]

@@TriniT21 Sally says: "No no no, it's 🐜 on 🦵!"

[@smcpherson6589]

@@TriniT21 Yes! I love to hear CJ call him that.😉

[@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763]

R.I.P Ta’Kiya Young and her unborn baby 💔🕊😭 just last week there was a racist shooting where 3 "people of color" got killed in Jacksonville Florida. This time it's “gross misuse of power and authority” against a pregnant Black mother by police.

[@marlak4253]

Gross misuse of power and authority is right. They are attempting to protect a cold blooded murderer of a young woman and her unborn baby. We live in a truly sick society.

[@leviaj1]

The vicious cycle continues. Also the crimes committed against Black women are rarely given the same attention as George Floyd etc. It's a devastating display of both police brutality and patriarchy.

[@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763]

@@marlak4253 We've come a long way as society, but it's mostly the wrong way

[@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763]

@@leviaj1 sadly true, women get the short end of the stick. We're watching a 1994 storyline with a woman stripped of her freedom by a 'benevolent prince' and not much has changed in real life years later

[@brendanbressler9807]

We're just patiently waiting for Dylan to take his clothes off again. And Connor for that matter. If it was in the same scene that'd be even better 😃😍🔥

[@nadianikolov]

What about Anthony?😂

[@smcpherson6589]

❤❤❤ I love the Judge! Finally the audience may begin to comprehend the severity of this case. Parents are supposed to love, nurture and protect minors. Angel/Trinidad. ❤❤❤

[@MT-sw8rf]

​@PatriziaIeraci-tp4yq isn't this exactly what Stephanie did? Why not talk birth control through and still keep her on the way to college whilst being with Dylan? Sorry, but this is a gone out of habd exaggeration

[@annieo6527]

@@MT-sw8rf exactly - her relationship with Dylan doesn't need to interfere with her college plans if it's kept drama free.

[@smcpherson6589]

@@PatriziaIeraci-tp4yq Well stated Patrizia! The ramifications of teenage pregnancy as well as STD & STI are terrible. Notwithstanding, the emotional/psychological effects and deep hurt and regrets are often issues that follow. Jessica has ignored Stephanie thus far regarding advice. It is good to learn vicariously. Therefore the younger generation needs to learn from the older. This does not mean one cannot have one's own experiences. Jessica also has to grapple with her absentee parents and their divorce. Her ambivalence regarding the same is noteworthy. Its always good to wait a while. Always! Angel/Trinidad. 😐😐😐

[@ajax34]

😴💤💤🥱

[@kimlambert2127]

I can't Steph right here 😮

[@jkoncz]

score one for the Queen!