Most powerful ebike motor tested - can anyone beat it?

[@Area13ebikes]

What bike has more power than this?

[@mititeimaricei]

You've lost weight! How?

[@jonspeak2807]

Ristretto 512 with CYC mid drive??

[@DoctorDrunkhobo]

Gotrax agreed with you the R2 manual tells you how to turn up the gears they recommend 5th if I leave it in 5th starting from a stop it pops a small wheelie

[@BakedAndAwakePodcast]

@@mititeimaricei I came to the comments for this. I was astonished at our Man's appearance. Hoping he is healthy and well.

[@geraldkoth654]

Mine, 3000 watt Cyclone. But that took lots of work to make work without tearing up bicycle style parts. I have to limit torque. If I could adapt small motorcycle chain and sprockets it would be a lot better.

[@charleswarwick4849]

I agree with most other people that it seems perfect for typical ebike use, e.g. its better geared for hills over speed. Besides 40mph gets a bit sketchy anyway. Crazy design

[@JahBlessd]

I recently received this same eBike and I couldn't be more pleased with its performance. Nothing climbs like it and for the price it's hard to beat. Thanks Biktrix ❤

[@JohnDoe-gn5bc]

I agree that it's a great bike but the price is a bit steep .... starting at $6000 USD ($7250 CAD) is on the high side IMO.

[@JahBlessd]

@JohnDoe-gn5bc Hey, a car has four tires, a motor, and seats.. yet not every car is priced the same. Live within your means.. I can't afford a Lamborghini but I certainly don't tell people it costs too much. The XD has technology and parts built-in that set it apart from the rest. I saw value.. I made purchase. I've yet to find an owner of an XD who regrets their purchase! I love my eBike.

[@JohnDoe-gn5bc]

@@JahBlessd Thaks for the reply :) I'm glad that you are enjoying your purchase. I don't disagree that the XD DUo is a great bike but at that price I would expect a torque sensor motor not a cadence sensor and something more substantial than a 17 ah battery. Plus the XD is heavy at 80+ lbs. I guarantee that my CYC X1 Pro on my specialized 29 er' will outperform the XD on every trail or in a flat out drag race and my range is twice that of the XD (I run a 72 volt, 28 Ah = 2016Wh vs. 52 volt, 17 Ah = 884 Wh) and is over $2000 cheaper. Stay safe on your speed demon.

[@JahBlessd]

@JohnDoe-gn5bc I can see you're proud of your diy upgrade kit. I had to look it up because I thought you actually had an ebike, not just a conversion kit. How do you find clearance after adding a motor beneath the frame? Is your kit the Gen 3 or are you dealing with the issues of previous models? For those who have a bike and want to get ebike features I think an aftermarket DIY kit like yours is a good option. Personally, I don't like the look and although the XD duo is a heavy bike, I wouldn't know because I own the "Eagle 2" which is 47 lbs and a bigger battery. It's not as big as yours, but I certainly would hate to look at that bag hanging from the frame like yours does. Hey, you might pass me in the short run with all that power but my bike was built specifically to handle 2300w of power thru a separate chain; yours was not and runs a HUGE risk of chewing up your gears and components. I'll stay safe on my speed demon, and I pray you do the same!

[@JohnDoe-gn5bc]

@@JahBlessd I have the Gen 3 with a little over 700 kms (435 miles) and haven't had an issue. Clearance is exactly the same because the motor is inside the triangle. There is no bike bag, I have a hard triangle battery that is mounted to the bottle holder mounts. All wires are internally run ... Casette is a Box Two which is specifically designed for ebikes. The XD Eagle is a really nice looking bike and Bikrix is a rock solid company with great support ... you chose wisely.

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

Maybe only a new Wired Freedom or Fabulous Road Warrior can match that torque and speed. But the Road Warrior has dual Hubs. Or Amp Rides 1500 watt rear hub might match it close.

[@HuYeah-vg5dy]

Not made in China only shipped and relabeled 😂

[@rabbithomesteading3797]

Im curious how a wired would do. If display is right, says upwards of 2300 watts at times. I hope Wired sees this and lets you run one. Cool video seeing real numbers not made up stuff! TY

[@boblawrence1692]

I blown away you have dyno for bikes... love it

[@Deerpoo22]

I have rhe Eagle 2 XD for hunting. I got the upgraded 25 AH battery and the battery life has been great so far. Id argue the point of the XD system is not the torque over its competitors. But rather the dramatically improved durability of the drivetrain. Huge motorcycle sprockets and a Go Kart chain. Its not wearing out anytime soon. Great video man

[@xtrck]

How do you like it. I put down a deposit on the new FS version and can't wait.

[@johnphillips8088]

Biktrix makes a great bike, I have one, and my favorite

[@johngalt97]

Here's the ballpark determined for a related question examined on Endless-Sphere forum years ago. You'd need a motor/controller/battery/drivetrain that could handle 1000+ Amps, just to get 750 Watts @ 1 RPM. Most ebikes don't make full 'legal' power at take-off.

[@Timbodacious]

powerful and fast BUT: Around $1,000 overpriced, A HARD TAIL with that much power is a dangerous butt buster, and you get the same performance with a bafang ultra combined with a 1500 watt rear hub motor on a single throttle for about $1500 less in cost.

[@lufknuht5960]

I am puzzled by the statements about left & right sides having separate drives, so it seems you said, as if one side goes through the chain to derrailleur & the other direct to the rear hub somehow. I couldn't tell from the low resolution, quick look picture(s).

[@torbanpeterson368]

I wish we had a dyno like this when designing and building the bikes.

[@chimerabmx]

Nice review and tests. Our High Drive system can easily compete and likely beat the Biktrix on all metrics but our bikes are far less weight.

[@backcountyrpilot]

I dyno’d dozens, maybe hundreds of dirt bikes on a Dynojet from 1994-2006. Installing a street tire makes an enormous improvement compared to a knobby, or even a trials tire. We ALWAYS installed a street tire. Gearing made very little difference on these 2&4 stroke engines, which have a “power band”. I assume it would matter even less on an electric motor.

[@Area13ebikes]

I think swapping them all the time would make me tired....

[@skytoll1]

Our F-TRIKE is breaking TRUCK HUBS!! The FLYWHEEL TRIKE is human powered with a 72 volt golf cart motor used to start up the driveline. The F-TRIKE has 22 inch car rims mounted on a heavy steel frame with a 2 inch tow hitch. We can pull a 4,000LB trailer. The F-TRIKE weighs about 2,000LBS empty. 💣💣💥💥

[@waltersmithat70]

Always nice to see progress , but long way from bafang bbs02 motor.

[@lufknuht5960]

I think a lot of ebikes are demonstrated on KZbin at more watts. Not that they are street legal. The Aipas A8 mid-drive eTrike is rated at 130 NM, but I suspect that mid-drive eBikes give a false NM torque, giving the torque through the lowest derailleur gear. It seems common for mid-drive eBikes to have specs with higher NM than hub motor eBikes -- I assume becs of listing the torque through the lowest gear

[@Iloveyounot]

I just checked the price on Google, almost $6000. It is almost the price of a motorcycle.

[@robertcornelius3514]

I think a lot of us were worried your dog was going to end up as a popped down pillow.

[@Area13ebikes]

Thankfully he's smarter than that.

[@plokmko0]

Re-gear is a must !!! Putting that much power to the ground in the dirt and snow needs to be tamed

[@rich3317]

I just finished up my lighting Rods mid drive. 12,000 watt . 126v / 400amp. It’s a hand full. Would like to share a few pictures. But don’t know how on KZbin. I do have a cargo bike I’m building now for my home in turkey. It’s a qs 205 5T hub with about 185nm. 100.8v. Battery is 5.3kwh. I’m a power junkie for sure. Not sure how to email you. But if you want more information? Let me know. Great video.

[@Ukiah.Spirit]

Just a little note to consider, Canadians like to be associated with beer and whisky, not maple syrup.

[@00708046]

Putting a larger gear will lower your torque and increase your speed . If you put a cassette of gears you would have different choices of torque vs speed but the motor torque might break your chain or cassette . Since the drive is on opposite side from gears side , that's not an option. Taking off fast with a larger sprocket will put more stress on the chain and maybe cause it to break.

[@Creeperkiller61]

Now if i can get that in 72 volt 10kw+ form and a 40 ah or better battery that i can fits in a cannondale caad

[@RossinBC]

In your opinion, would the XD be capable of towing a 400lb trailer up long mountain pass's in Washington, Oregon and California? I think this bike can do it? I would have 2 batteries but using one at a time while the 2nd battery charges using solar.

[@PCBoardRepair]

10:00 Kyle you need the battery voltage and current --power would make a good addition to your screen

[@Area13ebikes]

Agreed

[@RedSinter]

🎉 Excellent...and a great way to grow your business. My last employer had a Test Kitchen that we maintained and arranged where possible for Any Mfg come in and test their formulas and refining their products. Tony even bought a Flash Freezer...Freezer for a specific customer. We had another edge as Tony and his father...sole owners between them hold 65 Patents for Large Scale Food Processing Equipment. We make or made, 99.9 percent of all crispy Taco Shells. It doesn't mater whos name is on the box the shell were from raw corn to crispy shells went through our machinery. The Taco fryer puts out 50k taco shells an hour. Of course thats just one item, one system, one basic part as a whole. We made a large potion of Potato chip cookers, roasting ovens...its a fairly big concern 3 continent's 6 Mfg Facilities, 5 divisions in the US. Plus Tony did or has for years setting up virtical integration with the purchase over the years of outside parts suppliers and their Mfg.

[@georgekrpan3181]

Love what you're doing with the dyno. I'd definitely gear the Biktrix up, but how? Is the left side chainring and cog ordinary bicycle parts? The left side chain certainly is not a bicycle chain. Is the chain pitch the same as a bicycle?

[@Area13ebikes]

I didn't check the chain specs but biktrix has the info and other gears.

[@georgekrpan3181]

@@Area13ebikes Ok, good, they offer gearing options. Cheers!

[@namiix7365]

i would love to see how the ristretto 512 fairs against this, given they’re using a cyc mid drive

[@mikemorgan8588]

Just to be clear: torque sensors are not included in the results of motor torque. Muscle power isn’t included in these results. Many analog bike riders still confuse e bikes with regular bikes.

[@AKJJSIM]

Have you tested the Wired Freedom?

[@Area13ebikes]

I've asked...

[@richardolsen1989]

R22 Everest edition beats this. I am glad someone besides optibike now makes their own motor!

[@Area13ebikes]

We'll see! (I hope anyway, I've asked...)

[@guyrandom6151]

80 nm seems low ? i see others rated way over 100nm i commonly see 160nm while shopping around . am I missing something ?

[@stevenbrown5695]

Pedals as a generator Bost for over drive etc.

[@rodolfobaliga7577]

That bike should be test in actual with load, that will be the accurate testing to obtain the maximum speed.

[@jonspeak2807]

🎉 BRAVO BIKTRIX!! For manufacturing in North America!!😮😮🎉🎉😊

[@jongonegone1262]

half the people leave because no horsepower rating. should be included by now with all electric bikes.

[@josephpeters2367]

Your dog seems to like the bike 😊

[@ultrastoat3298]

Why even put pedals on something like this. It just encourages people to take this motorcycle where bicyclists are.

[@Area13ebikes]

It has a street legal 750 watt mode, that's why.

[@BillTheHawk]

I bought the Biktrix Juggernaut 1000 from you a year and a half ago. It is the best bike I have ever had. Now you have another Biktrix that has a more powerful motor? Can my bike be upgraded and what would the cost be? Thanks, Kyle, great video.

[@Area13ebikes]

I don't think upgraded to this motor would make sense, but upgrading to a new bike is an option. :)

[@BillTheHawk]

Well, that is not going to happen. I love my Biktrix!

[@randymcpherson4619]

I would like to see what kind of readings the FLX blade 2.0 would get on your dyno test machine.

[@KtotheL]

I almost can't believe it's a bicycle... I still want my spaceship though.

[@abelincoln3261]

Shaft drive it with a 4 to 5 gear ratio and you really got something to ride for many hours.. comfortably and safely hate a chain on this much power.. just dangerous.

[@sergioruas2825]

I have to say Cyclone 6000w 500 Nwt torque Another level

[@Area13ebikes]

Tell them to send me one. I've asked....

[@richardhenry1969]

My question is this type of motor better or two hub motors? I’d like a bike for off-road but might need to drag some gear along. I’m a mechanic but I’ve no experience with EBikes. I just like the idea I can go places they won’t let a gas bike go. What should I look to start with a kit or something else?

[@ErnestMas]

I've been recently researching Ebikes and wow!

[@backcountyrpilot]

That split-roller chain looks sketchy.

[@richardolsen1989]

Put a rholoff speed hub on it and now you have gears with the motor.

[@Area13ebikes]

The motor chain drives the left side sprocket and turns the wheel directly. A rohloff would still only be usable with the pedals.

[@ShutUpAndListenYouIdiot]

Your thinking of it backwards. If you increase the gearing for more speed, the wattage will be even higher at the start. It will also remain proportionally higher at higher speeds depending on how much higher the gear ratio is.

[@lifestyles2482]

Maybe you can help me man I would really appreciate it. I live in San Francisco, hills everywhere unavoidable steep. I want the most beastly E bike moped style that can easily handle these hills with throttle alone. Faster the better. And with an attachment so I can put a bag of groceries or something on the back. Everyone is so wishy-washy about what their bikes can really do when it comes to hills. My life is really difficult as I'm caring for a parent, I want to have some fun, I don't wanna drive the car everywhere, is there any help you can give me or leads? Should I try to have one built or something, I don't know really what to do at this point. Ty

[@chrislatchem1854]

very interesting but out of my price league

[@keithproctor5559]

When watching this on KZbin, your audio is really low. Was that way in the last one too

[@darinsmith2458]

i will have to check out your other dyno tests.. i have seen a couple bikes that say that they have 120 nm of torque..

[@Area13ebikes]

That will be very hard to get at the wheel. I'm sure I'll get something but not likely anything with pedals.

[@darinsmith2458]

@@Area13ebikes I will look for your other dyno tests..

[@damaylaphoenix1155]

Frey beast , has 160 nm of torque, bafang m600 and m620 put out 160 nm of torque

[@ballpoint7887]

lightningrods? modded bbshd?

[@drewduncan3436]

@Area13ebikes, do you allow in this comment section any links that i can get permission to share here,man has built his own type of bike

[@user-jd4wi8ms9l]

How would you Dyno my Defender S pro from Eunorau ? It’s got all wheel drive, so do you just double the figures for a 750 w Bafang ? Thanks for the recommendation in your video for defendending Kevin’s Defender 😊 Mine loves to run on the dunes 😂

[@Area13ebikes]

Run each wheel independently and double the figures.

[@xtrck]

You gave its torque in "foot pounds". Should this not be "pounds feet" since "foot pounds" is actually a measurement of work not torque?

[@ericellis4948]

How can I purchase one of these mid drive babies?😅 id like to put it on one of mine and see what she does 😊

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

Good throttle only too.. Nice!

[@gordonv2456]

This is a moped or motorcycle. I checked the conversion of power from KW to HP and 750 KW is 1 HP. In most states in USA, the max power for a bike is 1 HP. 2000 KW is 2-2/3 HP and I'm not sure if that is beyond moped specs or not. Also, a type three bicycle can't go faster than 28mph and can't have a throttle. My 1000W Bafang mid drive got a type 2 sticker because it is limited to 20mph. CSC is where I found my bike and it was on sale for $2000 recently.

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

@@gordonv2456 nobody cares what bicycles have for electric power. If it has pedals and looks like a bicycle it's no matter

[@dougnash6316]

Interesting that this bike is not listed for sale in Canada and it's not legal in the US or Canada.

[@Area13ebikes]

It's on their website.

[@ataksnajpera]

Can you just stick to metric system? You already use kW for power so why not use Nm for torque at the same time?

[@Area13ebikes]

Because then it forces mph to kmh

[@ataksnajpera]

@@Area13ebikes km/h also belongs to metric system so it all makes sense! It is odd when americans mix units like that. Power in metric system, torque in non-metric system and so on. It does not make sense. Keep it simple and only use metric system units.

[@SB-fe4gt]

An electric motor is going to have max torque at zero rpm...changing the gearing will NOT change that.

[@simonshift]

Lmx56 all the way!

[@mamadjun]

I really don't understand how some Americans consider these kind of bikes as e-bikes when they're actually electric mopeds?!! Yes, you can't pedal when you're riding a moped but these bikes should really be classified as "pedalling mopeds" as opposed to e-bikes.

[@chargeriderepeat7024]

er a moped does have pedals..its in the name. People call scooters mopeds.

[@mamadjun]

@@chargeriderepeat7024 Basically, if there's a platform where you can put your feet while you are riding, what you are riding is a scooter. If it's under 50cc then legally, at least here in Europe, it's classed as a moped. If it doesn't have a throttle then it's an e-bike.

[@gordonv2456]

I'm from USA and I think most Americans here want to help the country "Go Green" but they want the power of a motorcycle for their bike. They don't consider how things would mesh together on shared use trails with 160lb elderly walkers sharing the trail with 300lb riders on 100lb bikes going 40mph. These bikes should stay on the roads or on private lands for safety reasons. I'm 300lb and I shopped for the best climber to help me get up the 500ft elevation climb to get to my home from town.

[@mamadjun]

@@gordonv2456 It's great to hear that there's a desire in the USA to go green and promote eco-friendly transportation options. If what you're saying is indeed accurate then here in Europe we seemed badly informed about the prevailing politics in the USA. I assumed, apparently wrongly, that the Republican Party and the current favourite Republican front-runner for the Presidency of the United States couldn't give two hoots about the environment. In any event, your concern about the use of powerful electric bikes on shared-use trails is valid. Safety should always be a top priority, especially when people with different abilities and modes of transportation share the same space. Electric bikes can offer a fantastic alternative to traditional bikes for people who may have specific needs like tackling steep hills, covering long distances, or accommodating different body sizes. However, throttled e-bikes shouldn't replace regular exercise in order to partially address the problem of obesity both in the U.S. and the rest of the developed world but more so in the U.S. than any other country.

[@gordonv2456]

I ride a bike for my health because my knees are so bad that I don't walk, run or hike much anymore. These high power Ebikes are coming out to replace gas powered motorbikes that pollute and cost more to operate because of high gas taxes and other regulation. We need simple rules that can be easily enforced like a speed limit for trails and sidewalks and leave freedom to build and ride what we want. @@mamadjun

[@brentpolk8331]

I need a tut on balancing your rim with a fat tire 26"...

[@R-Imperial23]

You are drastically over estimating the loss in efficiency of hub motors.

[@Area13ebikes]

The figures I'm tossing out are from the hub motor manufacturers own data sheets.

[@Lexicon_]

Should you not be using a fan to assist with the cooling during these tests?

[@Area13ebikes]

Not really needed for short runs like this. Controllers would overheat from regular use if they could do a short dyno run.

[@lufknuht5960]

Notice how low the watts is at wind-out max speed. So this motor could be considered < 500 watts. The law sets a max watts for motor at less than 750W. So an argument cud be made that this motor is street legal. The law has a limit on the motor's watts, not on the watts when they motor has some load or application! So seems to me that for legal purposes, the chain should be removed when the motor is tested. It wud have been helpful had you left it at top speed longer to validate less than 500 watts. I would like to know what watts Bafang engraved on the motor case. I think that electric motors draw max amps/watts at start up & minimum at wind out.

[@davidketley5359]

try a bafang ultra 160 nm torque.

[@DaninVA]

Pretty insane! 😁

[@kimhyunwoo8983]

Well CYC Motorworks makes a motor that is rated for 5000w so…..

[@tjwa103]

Dude how did you lose all that weight...?

[@nealmyers2735]

Now that's a fast ebike wow

[@tomsewell2462]

power doesnt matter. not made in Xi-Na? then reliability & trustworthyness are far more important than that!

[@KurtElliott]

I've got to tell my brother about this video!!!

[@Area13ebikes]

Please do!

[@sudiptodas0001]

Dude has multiple PHDs in Yappanese

[@rickespy7464]

This is amazing!

[@melvinbelcher7606]

How much does it cost

[@jonspeak2807]

ASI motor controller I’m assuming??

[@Area13ebikes]

You are correct.

[@kevinfotsch6421]

Try a AR Kepler.

[@jasonb7878]

I know you know about hi power cycles. 4000 watt hub motor. Please no more click bait this is nowhere near the most powerful

[@Area13ebikes]

I didn't say it was... I said it was the most powerful motor I've tested and that was very clear in the video. Not click bait if it's true. 😅

[@philspencelayh5464]

Why does a powerful motorcycle have pedals? Are the classed as a bycycle in North America. Completely illegal in Europe

[@brentpolk8331]

What in the extreme weight loss is going on here? Should I be concerned?

[@Area13ebikes]

It has helped.

[@dust6242]

I was a buyer at NOT made in china!

[@fahed2000]

What about the other gears ?

[@Area13ebikes]

This motor only uses 1 gear.

[@BillyMellon]

Just wow top rpm crazy

[@kenteno822]

How much?

[@ccj1979]

How to buy

[@mike196442]

My bike is faster by far. 84V 12.5 KW 48AH Bomber E bike. 67mph gets near 70 miles on a charge. KKE Forks and Burner rear shock. Very fast and no problems so far. 2,800miles 2022 model.

[@ssmith6735]

How fast does it go? Test ride it. Dyno means nothing.

[@ddrowdy7666]

Dual chain drive is dumb. Additional weight, parts to break etc. Plus we like the mid drive BECAUSE it has gears. This thing is a joke, built for speed only. We want power at low speed for trail riding and climbing, this bike will not do that, just go fast.

[@Area13ebikes]

I think you missed the part where it has more torque than the other mid drives I've already tested, even with it's one speed.

[@ddrowdy7666]

High torque at low motor speed makes lots of heat, usually.@@Area13ebikes

[@damaylaphoenix1155]

Frey bikes, have a 2000 watt bafang motor that's more powerful

[@Area13ebikes]

We'll find out if I get one. I don't trust many of the claimed figures. 😀

[@damaylaphoenix1155]

too they don't make there own frames, they use the same bulk cheap Chinese frames that 80 percent bike companies use! carbon fiber with be nice!

[@Area13ebikes]

They have carbon bikes as well.

[@Deerpoo22]

Incorrect. The Eagle 2 frame was designed by them and made in America

[@carlosborgella6144]

My Kepler

[@Area13ebikes]

Tell them to send one out.

[@toolate6971]

I thought the torque was 160 - 300 nm.

[@Area13ebikes]

Not at the wheel.

[@zaphnath74]

cute puppy

[@timhannigan9278]

7400? Yikes 😑

[@squirrelcovers6340]

85 nm of torque isn't all that impressive