Full Frame sensor vs APS C: WATCH THIS BEFORE YOU DECIDE!

[@BoorayPerry]

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[@montycraig5659]

I love the honesty in this review. Thank you!

[@BoorayPerry]

You're welcome!

[@kanansamandarli4689]

Finally, someone with brains explained everything! Thank you very much. Almost all famous photographer KZbinrs scream that full Frame is the best and aps-c useless. Don't believe all those famous KZbinrs, they just trying to please their sponsors. You can get awesome photos with aps-c. Don't pay attention sensor size. Pay attention to composition!

[@Tienuyan]

No one ever said is USELESS. The best pictures on history were shot 50 years ago. But WHEN BUDGET IS NOT A PROBLEM, everyone will always get a full frame. You win in the “photography lottery” and get 300 thousand USD to spend ONLY in photography gear, so you next new camera and lenses are an APS-C ? Really ? Like this youtuber said, he rather get the Camry with all the top accessories then a stock BMW, but wait, what if you make enough money to easily buy a BMW with top accessories ? Thats exactly what he is saying, a stock full frame just for the sake of being a full frame is NOT necessarily better than a full well paid APS-c camera, but a full well paid Full frame will ALWAYS win. “IF YOU DONT WORRY ABOUT MONEY”

[@bunmeng007]

@@Tienuyan Based on your flawed logic, then medium format should be the go to, not full frame lol. Point is each system has its limitation. It depends on how the photographer uses them for specific purpose.

[@Tienuyan]

@@bunmeng007 true, or maybe a RED gear, or even a 200k usd camera used for TV stations. But ho, they are like 3-10 times bigger than both an apc-c / full frame. Even medium formats are bigger than a full frame since my friend has a Hasselblad. But both apsc / full frame now weights / feels pretty much the same, so why not ?

[@chuckm482]

@@Tienuyan So you're "labelling" people according to their choice of full frame or ASP-C ... oookkk Does that mean you're going to make fun of people who walk by you in an ASP-C???

[@alansach8437]

@@Tienuyan I won 300,000.00 USD to spend on photo gear? Maybe I buy a full frame and an APS-C? APS-C is ALWAYS going to have more reach with an equivalent lens. Yes, you can buy a high megapixel ff and crop and still have lots of megapixels on subject, but you can buy a high megapixel APS-C and crop, get even tighter on the subject, and still have plenty of megapixels on target. Full frame will almost always give you a cleaner image, but with modern software programs moderate noise can be dealt with pretty efficiently. I believe there is room in the camera bag for both, especially if I won 300,000.00 USD!

[@WEHAVETHISDREAM]

WOW! This is one of those moments when I ask myself: why is 99,9% of the "photographers" and "youtubers" don't tell you 100% the whole story??? And this subject is in my mind YEARS NOW! Searched and watched and read so much stuff... Only recently, someone said that 2.8 aperture on aps-c is not the same on full-frame and I though that was a big revelation! THIS HERE STEPS IT UP TO SUCH A HIGH LEVEL OF PRACTICAL KNOWLEDGE! You Sir, might have saved me couple of thousand Euros, invested a gear I do not actually NEED! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! Thank YOUUU!!!

[@BoorayPerry]

Just remember that the DOF is not the same if the composition is the same. 2.8 DOF is the same no matter the sensor but because an APS-C sensor has a crop factor, you have to back up or zoom out to get the exact same framing as a full-frame and THAT will affect the DOF.

[@WEHAVETHISDREAM]

@@BoorayPerry Thanks so much, again!

[@paulsaxby7579]

Totally agree, then I would do, I've been a Fuji user for the last 6 years and have no reason to ever go back to full frame. The difference between aps-c and full frame is negligible and really not worth the extra investment, while a move to medium format definitely is a major step up. Thanks for your insight, it's not often we get this side of the argument.

[@BoorayPerry]

Thanks for watching! 😀

[@JimIBobIJones]

I have both and prefer APSC. I think there is an insurmountable advantage for full frame though, but not a technical one. The issue is that the demand and hype is for full frame, so all the innovation and the best glass is made for full frame. The quality of glass tops out at medium-high range for APSC, but has a much higher quality ceiling for full frame. You just can't get as nice lenses for APSC as you can full frame.

[@christianmani1730]

Tools for the right purpose. Examples: If I were doing head portraits I’d use a full frame camera and medium telephoto lens and throw out as much of the background as possible. If I were doing street photography, I’d use a 21mm or 28mm full frame lens on a crop sensor camera and hyperfocal the lens at f11 and get everything from 1.2 meters to infinity in focus. You get a 30-40 mm equivalent lens but all the depth of field of a 21mm lens. Almost point and shoot.

[@elouisamckenzie9536]

You post some of the Best thought provoking videos !!!! Thank You

[@BoorayPerry]

That makes me very happy! Thank you!

[@indeep6431]

The depth of field comparison is entirely spot on. Shooters- amateur and otherwise- spend WAY too much time worrying about it. Meanwhile, all their photos look exactly a like, and 3/4 are out of focus or not tack sharp. Great video. Real talk here!

[@BoorayPerry]

Hey thanks!

[@jeffb9586]

Hooray for Booray!

[@sagardigitallab]

This video is just reflection of my mind. This is what I've been explaing to my fellow photographers since long. Love from India.

[@BoorayPerry]

Thanks! :)

[@prefix808]

It definitely comes down to the users abilities and knowledge, 100%. Your points are valid, I often want LESS DOF and more of my shot in focus! But most of the time, for me, consistency in low light concert and theatre capture is paramount. Full frame made this a lot easier to get the results I need.

[@ebreckpo6563]

Finally a video about what I am trying to educate to all fellows "eaten up by the full frame frenzy" or as it was called in former days "small format". When choosing an APS-C camera you will notice that CaNikon has not invested heavily into this system and you are stuck in purchasing FF lenses (if you want the better stuff) Fujifilm, Pentax (to some degree), and m43 understood this caveat and made lenses optimized for the sensor size. When I started taking pictures in the '70ies we wanted to have lot's of things sharp and not blurred by the "bokehlishous" trend of the last years. We were mostly happy with f/2.0-3.5 lenses. Lenses like f1.4 and lower were used by photojournalists because they wanted to have something called a picture in low light conditions. Nowadays the bokeh in the picture is more important than the composition, storytelling,...

[@gregturner_awod]

Excellent advice. I’ve swapped from (Sony) full frame to Fuji XT4 APS-C. For me it’s been a factor of age and a wish to carry lighter loads, particularly when travelling (whenever that’s possible again from Australia where I live). Both systems can, if you spend enough on lenses, perform with excellence. I’m growing to love the Fuji, the lenses I like or want aren’t cheap, but are cheaper than the GM lenses I used to buy, and I am very happy with the results.

[@boris.dupont]

Great video, as always! Thanks, I appreciate it. My Canon 5D Mark II turned out to be a major improvement in my photography and I never thought I'd ever go back to cropped sensors again. Then the X100 came out and I couldn't believe the image quality I got with a 12MP APSC sensor, let alone the size and weight factors. So I bought the X-Pro1 and started thinking should I switch over, which I eventually did later and never regretted it. The truth is I forgot about sensor size and shallow depth of field and what else, capturing images was fun and inspiring and, no matter what, the overall outcome was much better. Today my X-Pro3 covers all my needs, none of my clients ever complained, my X100V is with me at all times and all my gears fit in a camera bag that looks like a small messenger bag. To me that's perfect!

[@LEONARDSELVAALGURUNATHANMoe]

I started with a fujifilm x10. A used one . I was posting my fujifilm x10 photos in my social media , and someone gave me a job to do some assignment for a travel mag based on my X10 images . At that time my dslr friends were shocked when I showed them the camera I used. After many years , I decided to invest in a good camera . I explored all d famous brands of the cameras . When I started going into one , then u will be waylaid into making a decision whether u want to start with FF or cropped .. then I went back into fujifilm cameras . Problem solved . They just do cropped n medium format digital cameras . I ended getting a used fujifilm xt20 n it’s a joy to use . I use it daily now. This video helped me to understand further FF n cropped sensors

[@BoorayPerry]

I like Fuji for the same reason. :)

[@ΑχιλλέαςΕμμανουηλίδης-ζ1ν]

Thank you so much for mentioning me in your video and thank you for elaborating on my comment! The basic idea is what works best for each person and the budget that they have available. And you sir created a masterpiece of a video! You have a new subscriber!

[@BoorayPerry]

Thanks for getting me going. I wasn't going to do anything today. :)

[@ΑχιλλέαςΕμμανουηλίδης-ζ1ν]

@@BoorayPerry haha my pleasure. I think we all got something from this!

[@BoorayPerry]

I know there is a sync problem. My video editing software just pushed an update and this is a known problem. Hopefully it will be fixed before the next video. :)

[@johnherzel718]

And I thought I was loosing it! Great video in spite of the crazy Kung Fu vibe!

[@WEHAVETHISDREAM]

Speaking of features and your conclusion: some years ago me and my wife we bought a used Mercedes A160 (or so), Limousine (longer than basic), with leather and heated seats, roof-top went automatically down etc. for about 2600 Euros. While, at more or less the same time some our friends bought a new BMW, the "intermediate" version (so, not all bells and whistles), on top of that: their MOTOR actually BROKE DOWN, same day they bought the car from the factory! The motor had to be exchanged, cause it was obsolete, for some unknown reason... IMAGINE THAT! Not saying that that could have not happened to any car, used or new. BUT, I started laughing when you brought in the analogy between aps-c and full frame, at the end of the video! :)) I would ANYTIME choose a "less cooler" car with all bells and whistles, than the "basic" gangster car...

[@michaelpacnw2419]

Next time throw a little motion blur in there and we wont notice 😂 Kidding! Thanks for this video. I'm struggling with this question right now and this was incredibly helpful. New subscriber. Keep up the good work. I appreciate your reality based opinion.

[@youngalwyn1124]

Ugh. Perfection eludes us once again . . . 😒

[@chriscarrozza1820]

as someone really new to photography, the analogies really make sense. It also helps the understand the heuristics i will walk into when i talk to people in the space. Thank you

[@frankartale1026]

Finally someone brought up the DOF advantage the right way

[@jonparks3]

This description made the most sense to me. Thank you!

[@BoorayPerry]

You're welcome!

[@abhishekmaitra96]

Fantastic perspective of looking at this neverending debate of photography.

[@thatspiritualhumane]

I've seen ateast a hundred videos on Full frame vs APSC, but I have to admit yours is amongst the top 5. You made both win !

[@BoorayPerry]

Thank you 🙂📷

[@adm5223]

Had to sub. No bs clarity and balanced approach. Thank you!

[@BoorayPerry]

Thanks! :)

[@STOVL93]

A lot of surprisingly compelling arguments!

[@danielschmaderer]

Never thought of it that way with the first point you made. Very good video.

[@BoorayPerry]

Thanks!

[@Hondo0101]

well going to be following you. Great video and excellent breakdown.

[@SuffolkBobby]

Brilliant video, I whole heartily agree. Price is a concern for me being on a tight budget so I bought apsc. However, I use a range of low priced, but good quality vintage f2 & f2.8 prime lenses. A budget priced speed booster allows me to get FF coverage. In my book I have Full Frame capability at crop sensor price. Thanks for an easy to understand explanation.

[@BoorayPerry]

Thanks for watching!

[@grayexperience]

I'm noticing the same concern about FF depth of field: I would rather know that I know that I got the shot than to risk it for the sake of a little more background blur (which, in most cases is negligible anyhow). Thank for this :)

[@karengrigoryan1375]

Finally! I found someone clearly explaining what I was always trying to say to people! Full time pro wedding photographer coming from 35mm film, 6x6 real MF film with over 40 years of shooting. Love my APSC Fujis (T3 and T4 bodies especially with new 1.4, 1.2 and 1.0 primes). Switched 5 years ago from FF Nikon D3s bodies and all top Zooms and 1.4 Primes. Shallow DOF is way overrated. I would take more light = shutter speed any day over shallow DOF! Group shots at 2.8? No problem! Macro shots are much easier to handle! etc... Sometimes even F8 is not good enough on my GFX100s at studio to get enough DOF especially with groups!!! Thank you!!!

[@BoorayPerry]

You're welcome! 🙂📷

[@taikanekkula5386]

Hi there. I'm new to your channel. Finally a video that demystifies much of the FF vs. aps-c "battle", thank you! Definitely gives me some food for thought before I invest more heavily in either format.

[@BoorayPerry]

Welcome! 🙂📷

[@NeilMcAliece]

When looking to get back into photography in 2021 (properly back into it), I bought a used mint condition X-T2. Before that though, at the very top of my list was "must be full frame". When looking at the "best" full frame cameras of 2021 with lenses, my worry was spending that much money and possibly having it sit in the closet. I took a step back and went searching for good value older cameras. I stumbled onto people talking of the love of shooting with the X-T series of cameras, found plenty of people shooting fuji xt for commercial work and seeing some fantastic looking images. I then found the X-T2 at an Australian camera store with warranty for about $450USD. I used it almost daily for a year and the top of the list "must be full frame" was almost forgotten. I got lots of images I was really satisfied with. I had people asking to purchase the rights to some, asking me to shoot events and had a couple of competition wins. I've recently purchased the X-H2 (keeping the X-T2) and the full frame anxiety is gone.

[@ShutterEmotions123]

I do street/portrait photography. I shoot with my cannon r50 crop sensor camera. I use a Cannon 50mm 1.2 L lens. This gives me a 80mm image. Perfect for portraits. I get the same quality images with my r50 as the r6 plus higher megapixels with the r50 (24) vs the r6 (20)

[@raytreat6599]

Simply and accurately explained. Excellent!

[@quirkworks4076]

Great video. Thanks for addressing the practicalities of DOF and ISO. I am a working pro ( 35 years) now shooting FF and APS-C depending on the circumstances and the needs of the client. And one thing I've noticed recently is that the low-light performance of the latest crop sensors is so good that for all practical purposes that advantage for FF is minimal. My clients are always happy and they don't give a rip what I use. (I've always shot Pentax, BTW, so how's that for crazy!)

[@BoorayPerry]

I agree that the low light performance is good enough no. I still think that FF does a few things better for sure. I started with the Pentax K1000. Look behind me in my video and there is one in the corner cabinet. :)

[@quirkworks4076]

@@BoorayPerry Cool! I got a K-1000 as a high-school graduation gift in 1978. Burned through several, then started upgrading. Started shooting for money in '85 and have been ever since. Now shoot the FF Pentax K-1 and their new APS-C the K-3iii. It's weird gear, but the IQ is phenomenal, the glass is great, and they're built like tanks. I've shot Pentax so long it's just muscle memory now.

[@BoorayPerry]

@@quirkworks4076 They will always have a special place in my heart. The one on the shelf was a gift from a listener to my podcast. I almost cried when he gave it to me. :)

[@thommysides4616]

@@BoorayPerry That's touching to hear.

[@jameshuddle5111]

A very good explanation of size and how it affects depth of field. The main reason I use a micro4/3 sensor is the size of equipment and the reach I get with lenses. All these modern sensors are great in these sizes. The slight difference in IQ is not noticed unless pixel peeping. The advantage of focus in the wide open lens is also helpful. I believe the shallow depth of field also takes away from knowing about the setting you are in sometimes. So many advantages to a smaller sensor. Nobody ever asked me why the background isn't blurry.

[@rabindrajayaraj1882]

Very very Superb Analysis. I watched this video for the 2nd time to Understand thoroughly to Enjoy it. Thanks....

[@flyfishfotofan]

Booray, as a MFT shooter I double your argument for cropped sensor. With Panasonic and Olympus the crop factor is 2x. This means when the full frame guy shoots landscapes at F8-F16, I’m using F4-F8 which certainly helps me reduce ISO in low light conditions. And the IBIS (and coupled with OIS with some lenses) on the Olympus E-M1.3 can’t yet be matched (I don’t think) by full frame. This allows the user to claw back another stop or two of advantage, by using a slower shutter speed (assuming a non-moving subject) than the full frame guy.

[@BoorayPerry]

Yes. The whole point of my video is that each person has to decide what works best for them. It's important to remember that for everything that is taken away by getting a smaller sensor you also gain something. 😁

[@bfs5113]

In other words, knowing how to kick the tires. Unfortunately, we cannot be knowledgeable and have enough experience in every field, thus there are always some gaps in the reasonings. For the beginners, it is best to sum up all the 'advices' and read between the lines to make their own decisions. But isn't that the major headache in the first place? For instance, I still have to think for a few minutes about 5 fps if I buy the Nikon Z5 instead of 12 fps with the Z6, when price difference comes into consideration. That's even I came from a 9 fps D3 or 3.5-5 fps with my F2A + MD, four decades ago.

[@BoorayPerry]

@@bfs5113 Yes. I really believe that at this point there is no such thing as a bad camera. Certainly not when compared to the cameras from 20 years ago. it's just a question of figuring out the one that is right for you. 😀

[@clientcentricmassagetherap354]

You made my day with this video... My best 18 minutes and 19 seconds in a long long time... kudos!

[@BoorayPerry]

Thanks! :)

[@imaansingh7683]

I have been shooting since 2years and I have learnt a lot of new things in this video.I am subscribing to the Channel 💯

[@BoorayPerry]

Thanks😀

[@andrewdoeshair]

Also I loooove the third point you made. I deal a lot with barbers and hairstylists buying their first camera, with a focus on people photos in natural light (haircuts in the salon, not in a studio, not action, not wildlife) and I’ve been advising that they spend the extra few hundred on a Canon RP over something like an M50 or a Sony A6something because looks they can get from a cheap F1.8 lens on the full frame body would require a very expensive F1.2 lens to match on the crop sensor body. The price spread today between crop and full frame bodies is smaller than the difference between a 1.8 and 1.2 lens. Portraiture as a focus, it’s actually cheaper to go toward that sought-after look (the one phones try to mimic with portrait mode) with a full frame body.

[@BoorayPerry]

Yes. You can't compare apples to apples. You have to look at what you really need to get the look you want. :)

[@boris.dupont]

Very interesting thanks! When I bought my Canon 5D Mark II it was a major step and I absolutely loved capturing images with it but when I switched over to my X100, later my X-Pro1, it was like being born again as a photographer and I've been happy ever since. Have fun!

[@BoorayPerry]

Fuji is a lot of fun!

[@mcmoose64]

I could not agree more . I had been using full frame (Canon 6D) exclusively for a few years when I picked up a used 7D mkii for casual wildlife shooting . I now find myself using the 7Dii for almost everything . I recently shot my nephew's wedding , taking care to keep out of the way of the "real" photographer and focusing on the extended family and humorous background goings on. I used both full frame and aps-c , and when editing the images , I could not tell the difference . I find that my 50mm f/1.4 sigma on the 7D gives me all the background blur that I ever need . I also really appreciate and make use of the extra telephoto reach of the APS-C. The only problems with my dual system setup are that the Canon bodies are bulky and heavy and the whole kit takes up a lot of space . I am seriously thinking about ditching the lot for a Fuji based set up.

[@andersbergquist]

The video have one untold assumtion, the cameras have the same number of pixels. My EOS R at 30Mpixel will give the same picture as an EOS R10 with 20Mpixel. If I croup out 20Mpixel in the center the picture will be the same. At the same pixel the croup will not be equal sharp, but it is imposibly to watch the difference at instagram and on print.

[@thomashi239]

Thank you for sharing. Sensor size are being debated quite a lot and your talk was one of the best I have seen so far.

[@BoorayPerry]

Thank you for watching! :)

[@pictureeyecandy]

So true, a perfect way to explain the pro of a cropped sensor. When Digital came out I started with a crop sensor and ended up staying with a crop sensor. TBH, the older I get the I want to go lighter, smaller, and M4/3 is looking like it fits the bill.

[@roopesh101]

4:08 DOF is same for both apsc and FF. FF more field of view at than a apsc. This gives thr perception of more background blur

[@BoorayPerry]

Yes. I have a video that explains it. I didn't want to make this video longer by doing an in depth explanation on how it works. The bottom line is that the two sensors, taking the same field of view, have different depth of field.

[@NiChaThoKenn]

Thanks a million. This was an eye opener for me and and an enormous help in narrowing down on my next camera. It will have a half frame sensor and lots of knobs and dials.

[@viktorpaulsen627]

Olympus OM-D E-M1 III

[@rikard2938]

Thank you! Hands down the best comparison between full frame and APS-C that I have watched!

[@thacoolaudio]

For me this video was..... boooooom!!!!! So happy to have found your channel, you make people think by giving them the elements that they need to understand what is better for them!!! Thank you so much!

[@BoorayPerry]

Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment! :)

[@KutWrite]

Yes! When I shot film, too-shallow is why i dropped medium format shooting. one thing I like about APS-c is the aspect ratio. I like a more rectangular frame, like 16:9, which wastes some of the top & bottom of full-frame. That obviates the larger sensor area.

[@spyhunter6411]

I love that your point isn't better or worse. It's capabilities. A pickup isn't better than a sports car if you want to go fast, but it is if you want to move a couch. I like apsc because I'm not a professional, and that's not a knock saying they aren't professional. I want the most rugged, capable, and versatile camera, in the smallest package. Xt4 for the win for me. Add in that I'm a sucker for knobs and dials. Also I just heard your car analogy and I guess I wasn't being unique... darnit

[@johncox5939]

I have been arguing this at my camera club since I bought a Nikon d90 in 2009 and nobody gave me a sensible answer then. One of the best photo/picture producer in the club who won everything at that time used a Panasonic 4/3rds camera because of arthritis in his hands. Horses for courses ! nice video Booray. UK.

[@BoorayPerry]

Thanks!

[@liviaohihoin1316]

Fantastic Video!

[@DanniAlv]

Both of them have a place in your bag depending on what you do, I use my full frame camera for portrait photography apsc + full frame lens = more zom for wild life photography also one thing to note is that the sharpest part of a lens is the middle if you use a full frame lens on a crop you get the sharpest part of that lens!

[@McConnachy]

I enjoyed watching this, thank you. I once watched a KZbin video where the guy concluded that FF is better due to the bigger sensor, I asked if he’s looking for IQ perfection, why doesn’t he use Medium Format.. ? Answer came back, the system is too big 😂 I have used Fuji for the past 8 years. Earlier models didn’t have great or usable high ISO, but I now have the X100V and X-T30, with very usable high ISO

[@patrickhanly7458]

Excellent video, great information. You are a smart man sir and I thank you. I have some thinking to do.

[@lcdy1280]

You have so much right sir! Thank you for your help! I am a beginner and i go with APSC!

[@jonfletcher147]

Bang on Boo!

[@Jimenez315]

Thanks for this. Very well explained 😮‍💨

[@viagensebabados]

I've been a fujifilm user for over a year (XT4) and I loved that camera. I had quite a few prime lenses and zooms. The image quality was second to none. However, it did struggle in low light with very grainy images at around ISO 6400 (using prime lenses as fast as f1.2 and f1. 4). In contrast, my partner's Sony a7RIV at the same ISO and with the 24mm F1.4 GM produced very clean images with hardly any noise. That was enough for me to sell all my Fujifilm gear and pre order the new Sony a7iv since clean images in low light is a big thing for my shooting style. Also the fact that my partner has a very good selection of some of the best Sony lenses helped the transition lol. It all boils down to your shooting style and needs. Crop sensor can be just as good as full frame.

[@BoorayPerry]

Yes, it's all a matter of what is most important to you and what will make you money. I would love to shoot the Sony but I know that I would not make more money in my line of work because of it and at $2000 more just for the body, that is a major factor.

[@mattcoles3027]

How have you found the transition? I really want to keep my X-T4 for so many reasons.. I just lower ISO and use the IBIS to get good low light photos.. But the new Sony seems to have adopted a lot of X-T4 things and cleaned up the menu's etc. Both are fantastic.. Maybe i should just rent one and go with 'feel'

[@PabloB888]

My APSC XH2 has far less noise at ISO 6400 than my sister on her FF canon D750 at the same ISO and resolution (40MP downsized to 24MP), so I think the age of the camera body is the most important factor to consider when shooting high ISO photos. Of course, when comparing new cameras like Sony's A7R5 and XH2, the former produces less noisy RAW images, so we can say that FF gives you the cleanest results, but the question should be, is the FF camera really that much better to justify the investment? Personally, I always look at things from a practical point of view and I'm perfectly happy with how high ISO photos look like from my XH2. Sure I can see some noise at ISO 6400 but I have to zoom at 100% to really see it, and that's not how I look at photos. The reality is that most people are looking at photos at an extremely reduced size and propably on small phone screens on top of that, so even ISO 12800 photos will look clean. Also AI postprocessing can do wonders to high ISO photos. Thanks to topaz denoise AI my ISO 6400 photos look perfectly clean even at 100% zoom, so in reality there's nothing I can complain about, because at worse I only need to apply more postprocessing. From my point of view the cost of FF is just not worth the investment. And BTW. I cant even think about many situations when I would need to shoot at high ISO such as 6400 or higher. Wildlife photography certainly requires a high ISO, as you will be shooting in low light conditions in many situations, and you will also need a very fast SS to get a sharp image of a wild animal. For portraits however I never shoot at high ISO, because I always bring the light with me. If you're shooting indoors, people's faces look terrible without good lighting, and that's a far more important factor to consider than just extremely small amount of noise in the picture (that most people will not even see it).

[@lindamcmullin785]

Very interesting... thank you for taking the time to explain it so well.

[@jremi]

Excellent explanation!

[@BoorayPerry]

@@jremi thanks!

[@orebabaalibaba]

Yes Sir, I do quite agree with you

[@matchesder]

Someone who has understood whats going on. And what you say makes total sense. Thank you very much! I've never looked at it this way. The comparison you were talking about, I've made over and over. Depending on what focal length and apertures you want, an FF system is cheaper (even if you don't choose entry level cameras) than Fuji APS or there might not be an equivalent for APS to begin with. If one sticks to common focal length and not the extreme wide apertures, APS has you covered. However, if go to the extremes, wide angle, big aperture you may find there is no APS equivalent. Standard zoom 24-70/2.8, 700-200/2.8? No equivalent for crop sensors yet. Maybe because FF is or was the standard for years? Also manufacturers of crop sensored equipment don't relly tell the story about aperture. They tell you the lenses are smaller because the sensor is smaller and therefore you have to apply cf to the aperture (bot don't tell that it should be applied to aperture as well). Equivalent look results in lenses that are roughly the same size regardless of ff or crop. But I think this is the reason why we do not have equivalent options like 16-55/2.0 and 50-140/2.0. While you can/have to shoot one stop faster on APS compared to FF letting in twice the light, the pixels have less than half the area still leaving you with a slight disadvantage. Actually you would have to shoot 1.2 stops faster because the CF is 1.5, not square root of 2. Also, while you can/have to shoot about one stop faster, you most likely won't get more DOF due to diffraction becomes visible about one stop early. (Assuming same number of pixels)

[@jaysmolak]

I landed on your page because I'm about to buy the Fuji X-t4, and was checking some reviews. I've been a Fuji X-t2 shooter for about 4 years, and I also moved from Canon 5Dmk3. I still own the Canon, but I can't remember when I last used it. I moved to APSC mainly because of the weight. And also because I no longer shoot weddings. Just portraits and boudoir. So, all I just need a couple of primes and I'm good. But with DOF with Canon and 50mmf1.4, I remember on one of my first baby shoots, I wanted a very blurry background and only the eye of the baby in focus. Actually, half of my images showed her eyelashes in focus, and the eye already blurry. Never made that mistake again... :) On a friendly shoot I can play with the DOF and shoot f1.4 all I want, but on a paid shoot, I don't think I ever shot at less than f2. It's not worth it, and it's not necessary. I now shoot with 23mm and 35mm, f1.4 and 56mm, f1.2 and even that is often too shallow for portraits. And my Fuji gear, 2 bodies and 5 prime lenses weigh about as much as my old 5Dmk3 with 70-200 f2.8. I enjoyed this video.

[@lovejulyfam2800]

Finally!! Very well explained!! Thank you! You help me decide big-time! I have a crop sensor right now, thinking about buying another camera which is full frame and spend money, but because of your well explained video, I'll stick to my crop sensor till I need a additional camera but for now I'll be more happy with my A6400. Thank you so much!

[@BoorayPerry]

Thanks YOU! :)

[@ruudvoest1038]

Thanks for the video. Great insight , But then again if you like bokeh and portraits with more blurry background for the models to stand out full frame is still the way to go. On the other hand , I can think of APS-C in the case of long term construction time lapses where great depth of field is a huge advantage !

[@StudioLD]

It's nice seeing it from another perspective, thanks!

[@badi_music]

Absolutely true. thanks for your insight.

[@dcole7092]

Good comparison and information to consider. Thanks

[@robert_focus]

Thank you, thank you, thank you! Video is so helpful and professionell. Marketing nearly made me choose the wrong choice.

[@BoorayPerry]

You're welcome!

[@nashtockdw]

Thank you. I am so happy that I found both your channel and podcast.

[@BoorayPerry]

Thank you! We appreciate the listens. :)

[@Rocodil]

Excellent! Finally someone who really understands it. It is also often said, that the advantage of crop sensors is that you have small gear. Indeed not true if you want the same photos as with full frame. You need to buy the heavier lenses. What was for a long time an advantage that the crop sensor cameras were mirrorless and therefor smaller (with the disadvantage of the electronic poor resolution view finder or no view finder at all). What still might be a disadvantage is that the autofocus is sometimes not the best in class, but I am not sure if that has anything to do with the sensor/low light capabilities. And maybe it is again comparable is we use the comparable settings (higher iso, or lower f-stop). What I like is that my Fuji XT3 has these external dials, so I can choose the settings without having to switch on my camera and look at the screen when it is too sunny and secondly because of the many lenses I can choose from. I am not a great fan of the x-trans sensor.

[@karlkeller2284]

Top, never saw it from this side, thanks for it 👍🏼

[@gregorydobson4307]

Great explanation, probably the best info I've listened to regarding full v crop.

[@BoorayPerry]

That's a great compliment! Thanks so much n 🙂

[@bodinian]

I'm thankful I like pictures with deeper depth of field as opposed to shallow depth of field. Those tastes make the kit lens fine in many situations, I use a Speedlite to pump more light into the shot to compensate for the narrower aperture and get good results.

[@delta2194]

Very well explained. Thank you. I am moving from Canon FF to Fujifilm X-T4 too.

[@jason4555]

Thanks for this video. I’ve been agonising for years if to add a FF camera to my kit to compliment my Fujis or not, convincing myself FF is better than my beloved Fuji cameras. After comparing sample photo after sample photo of popular FF cameras I keep thinking that my Fujis are actually better in IQ than many FF’s! The only real advantage to the FFs at the moment is the eye/face/animal focusing and tracking and the higher resolution for landscapes etc. Everything else, weight, size, cost are disadvantages for FF (although there are some good FF f4 zooms available recently) . One very important advantage to Fuji for me is that the RAWs are so easy to edit, many people also loving SOOC jpegs and picture profiles and recipes. APSC cameras and their lenses are usually down graded by Sony, Canon and Nikon in order to make their FF’ appear better and more desirable. Fuji go all out to make all their cameras and lenses as good as possible. Thanks for standing up for Fuji. Glad I discovered your channel 😀👍

[@BoorayPerry]

I'm glad you found the channel too🙂 I just want to point out that I don't feel I'm standing up for Fuji. I'm just saying that there is more than one way to look at the comparison and it's never a fair comparison of you start with the assumption that one sides traits are automatically better. 🙂

[@AleksandrY2K]

Best explanation EVER! Also type of photography should count, gear weight. I rather a full extras Camry (M50/M6 ii) than a stock BMW (RP)

[@oluwapelumiapooyin8471]

😂😂😂

[@game2572]

I have the M50 and the RP my 50 I'd for walking around always with me. The RP is for when I want to be serious. If you want to shoot smaller than full frame shoot mft or fuji because they take their lenses serious for smaller than FF. The big 3 don't canon has some nice aps-c but not great. Canon nikon and Sony all make great aps-c the 90D the m6mkii the a6600 the z50. But the lens selection. Cheaper the RP and Z50 are comparable in price to the xt30 the a6600 m6mkii

[@vtecrxx]

Very good explanation

[@GetInspiredMedia]

Thank you so much for the video Booray. I have both full frame and a band new APSC. I am loving what I am getting out of my Sony APSC. This makes sense. It really depends on needs. For me the APSC is way more portable in outdoor circumstances. I love my full frame Sony but miss shots when I am outdoors hiking and its packed away in my backpack, to keep it safe :). Having a smaller, crop sensor camera in my pocket or clipped to my belt is a way better camera because of it practical availability when I need it. Thanks again for this video. It really helps in my thinking! It also helps me to learn how to get my APSC perform like a full frame, when I need it!

[@BoorayPerry]

Thanks for taking the time to write a comment. I really appreciate it! :)

[@Martin-nu6ym]

Relative to the situation - yep, fully agree. Back in January 2020, I sadly left Fuji APSC behind. Based on thousands of images taken in 2019 I discovered that I heavily use the 11-23 range at f2.8 and had to deal with ISO ranges between 2500 to 12800. While the Fuji cameras handled the ISO well, it was the fact that I had to carry two cameras and two red badge zooms just to have that range covered. There was not a single 11-23 constant f2.8 zoom in any APSC line; maybe there is now but not back then. I got the Sony A9 with the 16-35 GM which did cost and weigh less. And now this year I have the Sony A7S3. I also have the A7R4 which gives me a 26 Meg APSC for those times I can use APSC. I do miss pancake lenses though. :)

[@BoorayPerry]

8-16mm 2.8 is as close as you get. The lack of really wide lenses is, of course, another factor. Thanks for the comment! :)

[@bluecollar8525]

There is also a 10-24, isn't there?

[@miguelfelix9775]

After watching 2,368 videos on KZbin and listening to those “Knowitall” guys, I finally fine someone who can explain this in a logical (apples to apples) way. Now, I can keep my camera and my money. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@BoorayPerry]

I must have you fooled because I am a huge "know-it-all" 🤣🤣📷

[@brianpalmer6385]

A lot of new people come to to the forums asking about what to buy. I can tell many don't need FF. I love Fullframe and not giving it up but my M43 system I'm not giving up either. Pros and cons. And sometimes you just want to cruise in your 1970's Porsche 911 (Rangefinder).

[@twocupsstudio]

Your video is as much as about life too, about having two ways of looking at and then thinking what works best for you

[@MrTeebaum]

thank you for this video! if you want to achieve the same with aps-c or full frame, the systems quickly become equal in price and size. For me, the limits of the systems are more decisive. If I want to be really compact, I'll reach the limits faster with full frame. if i want to be really fast, i'll reach the limits sooner with aps-c. it's most significant with the standard zooms - i can't get an equivalent to a full-frame 24-70/2.8 with aps-c. on the other hand, sometimes it's just much more discreet to have a small fuji or canon-m with you & that creates images that wouldn't happen with a big camera. that's why i have an x100v and an r5 with a pack of lenses to go with it. but if i'm honest, a fuji x-s10 would probably have been equivalent in almost all situations.

[@fictionfactory7164]

Excellent video Booray, it had been my intention to go FF but this is has made me question my decision now.

[@dan.knows.photography]

Love the final comparison. I could buy an XT4 or Canon RP for roughly the same price. One is FF but the other has so many more features.

[@TheSharkypeto]

I truly respect your work and the quality of your videos/thoughts. Clever, open minded and straight forward. Thank you.

[@BoorayPerry]

That means a lot. Thanks so much for watching 😀

[@colinmichaelmusic3457]

I'm fine with apsc, i was able to get a 35mm 1.8 for my sony for a decent price. For me its the form factor and affordability. I can sacrifice some on low light and dynamic range and still get good results. If my focus was on having maximum quality i would go full frame.

[@ErnstRohe]

Full frame allows my older lenses to be used and the small crop I loose a lot on small censor with handling those lenses

[@Kevodabomb_Media]

What made me struggle with the decision is that when I was with Fuji, I started noticing that the 2.8 lenses were more expensive and heavier than the f4 Sony lenses (which has the same lowlight capability) I got an a7c and a 40mm 2.5g which weighs the same as my XT4 did with the 27mm 2.8, except the a7c is smaller, and will have much better AF and lowlight capabilities. Now if I had the Xt5, XT30II or another one it would be even lighter, but I hike so need weather resistance. Overall, both are good. Even m4/3 can be great, even 1 inch sensors can be great! Just need to figure out what we actually like to do then get the gear that fits

[@BoorayPerry]

What do you mean by this: "the 2.8 lenses were more expensive and heavier than the f4 Sony lenses (which has the same lowlight capability" That's a 1-stop difference.

[@Kevodabomb_Media]

@@BoorayPerry Yes, but when you factor in the crop factor of 1.5, that 2.8 APSC lens becomes a f4 full frame equivalent lens. Equivalence includes focal length, aperture and ISO.

[@BoorayPerry]

@@Kevodabomb_Media That's what I thought you meant. That's not true. f2.8 is the same on every lens regardless of the sensor size. Depth of field is affected if you are composing the images the same but the exposure is the same.

[@BodenseeRuecken]

For me, the portability of my gear gets the highest importance. I don't want to go out, taking pictures from people with a heavy professional looking camera and imposing lenses on it.

[@goldenfrog6EsCoSes]

I can appreciate that. I shoot macro with a DSLR, flash, and (sometimes homemade) diffusers. It can end up weighing quite a bit, but, at the end of the day, I prefer the feel of a DSLR in my hands, and the overall process of capturing an image with such a camera, to me, is sublime.

[@FernandoSLima]

I love my 90D and have no plans to have a full frame or a mirrorless camera.

[@dude157]

Great video. All the criteria by which most people determine full frame to be better than Aps-c is true for medium format over both full frame and aps-c. In which case there's no need for those people to buy full frame, they should get a medium format. Then when they list off the compromises of why medium format is not for them, and why full frame is better, you can simply point to those same reasons why aps-c is better than full frame. All cameras are compromises, choosing the correct tool for the job what matters. Aps-c serves my needs best. If I wanted something less portable, more expensive, shallower depth of field, I'd get medium format camera. Some people may fall in the middle, it's fine, but one format isn't better than another.

[@johnnysparkleface3096]

I like your flexible way of looking at things. You consider things most photographers don't.

[@BoorayPerry]

I'm that way about everything. It's quite annoying. :)

[@Reviews4fun1]

I bought a FF camera after being frustrated with low light performance indoors with my crop bodies. I found the FF only gains me about 2 stops or so. Still was not satisfied so I bought a godox flash and it’s excellent and fully adjustable. I still use my crop system a lot when I’m out in good light and want a compact system I can drop in a coat pocket, and gives me reach taking action photos of my dogs. Honestly I probably could have just continued with my crop system but I like using both, as a hobbyist. I will say I’ve been a bit dissatisfied with crop zoom lenses so basically I’m running FF plus 2.8 zooms, OR crop body with 1.4 primes. I have an old crop body too so I can mount one wide prime on my old body for landscapes and a portrait prime on the new system for faster autofocus tech for moving pooches 🐶

[@zetacrucis681]

Right on about DOF! Never once did I review my photos and thought: o bummer, this one isn't blurry enough!

[@McMurphyKirby]

Is sharpness in corners better with the crop sensor? To me that is gamechanger consideration.

[@BoorayPerry]

I don't think so. I see plenty of lens reviews that talk about it.

[@justinsphotographyrochestermn]

I never thought about flipping the script on depth of field from APSC to Full Frame. 😊