Borderline Personality Disorder or CPTSD

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Borderline personality disorder (BPD) & CPTSD are often confused because the symptoms look alike. Dr. Ramani explains the differences in this interview.
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Borderline personality disorder (BPD) and CPTSD are often confused with one another because of how similar the behavior patterns of each disorder look. In this interview, leading psychologist and MedCircle certified educator Dr. Ramani Durvasula answers:
- Why is BPD so often confused with CPTSD?
- Can someone have both borderline personality disorder and CPTSD?
- How do the symptoms and behaviors differ between BPD and CPTSD? Which ones overlap?
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[@MedCircle]

What mental health topic should we cover in our next video? Let us know in the comments below. Watch Dr. Ramani's full series on CPTSD instantly HERE: bit.ly/31Z7Hhu

[@Ella.L.]

Please do a video on body dysmorphic disorder (I suffer from this).

[@Ella.L.]

It's a pity that we have to pay for the CPTSD series... like Dr. Ramani says - it's a very debilitating thing to have; many who suffer from this (myself included) are not able to work and therefore don't have a lot of money.

[@HASSTYLEPROGRESS]

I need to know about Psycho-pharmacological interventions for CPTSD, like yesterday. Like ASAP.

[@taraking9514]

I would love to see video on borderline personality disorder and hyper sexuality.

[@redheadwithdreads4342]

Please create simplistic videos on ‘how to know if I have BPD’ and ‘am I a narcissist.’ Thanks for requesting video topic suggestions from your viewers!

[@sophiareichardt3096]

I heard about CPTSD about 6 months ago. Please remember that not only physical abuse in childhood causes CPTSD - emotional abuse does too...

[@ladyhangaku2072]

I really wanted to point that out, too. I got this diagnosis because of emotional abuse in childhood, which was sometimes really directed towards me, and sometimes really subtle. But it was a state, which went on for a looong peroid of time.

[@gymnast2890]

@@ladyhangaku2072 please look up Richard Grannon's

[@Quiche543]

She did mention being exposed to domestic abuse which contributes to emotional abuse so I feel like it was highlighted indirectly...That's how I took it anyway. It can also be due to mentally ill or Narcissistic parenting...any condition actually where the needs of the children are not met emotionally, psychologically etc...

[@nicolesteiner3172]

Yes I'm surprised Dr. Ramani didn't mention it being that she talks about narcissism

[@lildumpling2515]

I've been doing lots of research more in CPTSD due to the stigma of BPD around women. It's very invalidating when a lots of professionals talk about trauma, but not emotional trauma. Especially if you are POC. No one talks about cultural trauma either.

[@frankievalentine6112]

CPTSD: I'm not good enough, I'm terrified of being abused again, relationships are threats. BPD: I'm terrified of abandonment and will sabotage relationships to avoid it. *But there is tremendous overlap.*

[@tanvikittur7352]

Also, BPD: Unstable sense of identity I think that's a main difference

[@willow9719]

I feel both >_

[@cappuchino_creations]

How weird that Borderliners sabotage the relationships. I am diagnosed with BPD, but slowly starting to doubt that. If my romantic relationship starts to wear off, Ima get my ass out of the emotional attachment ASAP. Better leave than be left. Is this contradictory?

[@willow9719]

@@cappuchino_creations BPD is hard to diagnose bc of its crossover w many other illnesses, but what you described is part of BPD tendencies, which is to leave relationships before you want to get hurt.

[@narcpoacher7708]

In other words the CPTSD folks are logical 😭😭 BPD choice is ass backwards

[@DonnHowes]

I was diagnosed with cptsd since my teenage, spent my whole life fighting cptsd. I suffered severe depression and mental disorder. Not until my wife recommended me to psilocybin mushrooms treatment. Psilocybin treatment saved my life honestly. 8 years totally clean. Never thought I would be saying this about mushrooms.

[@laurj09]

Congrats on your recovery. Most persons never realizes psilocybin can be used as a miracle medication to save lives. Years back i wrote an entire essay about psychedelics. they saved you from death bud, lets be honest here.

[@nicholda436]

Can you help me with the reliable source . I'm 56 and have suffered for years with addiction, anxiety and severe ptsd, I got my panic attacks under control myself years ago and they have come back with a vengeance, I'm constantly trying to take full breaths but can't get the full satisfying breath out, it's absolutely crippling me, i live in Australia. I don't know much about these mushrooms. Really need a reliable source!! Can't wait to get them.

[@mattjeffery09]

Yes very sure of Dr.benfungi. They helped me too to overcome my anxieties and get to the root of much of my "mental Illness" which is all rooted from trauma, abusive relationship and a chaotic childhood and addiction. Shrooms made a huge huge impact to why am totally free today.

[@FredaMartins]

Ive done shrooms last month in my house. It taught me how severely traumatized I was from alcohol. I healed from many mental traumas from my past and was able to forgive, let go. Shrooms to me is a remedy not a vice. I even felt more refreshed the morning after. So no hangovers. No depression mood for days. No anxiety.I now have a more calm mind

[@JaimeGlaze]

How do i reach out to him? Is he on insta

[@singtoangels]

My oldest daughter has C-PTSD from long-term bullying in school. We thought she was schizophrenic because she was hearing voices. Turns out it was auditory flashbacks. It's been really hard to get proper help for her.

[@HillbillyYEEHAA]

That's very similar to me. I was gang attacked 2x on the school bus and bullied severely whilst being abused at home. When people say bullying can't affect you in just laugh because it emotional abuse

[@Brxwn9]

Why didn’t you change schools for her? Long term bullying! Come on.

[@singtoangels]

@@Brxwn9 for one she didn't tell us at all. She didn't even tell the therapist we took her to for ADHD for two years and that's how we found out. She thought we would do the same thing that her teachers did which was exactly nothing. And the teachers didn't tell us either. We noticed her having an attitude at home, getting depressed, lashing out in anger but we talked to her therapist and no one could figure out what was going on so we all chalked it up to puberty. She's a child who keeps a lot of that stuff inside. Shoot when her grandpa died she didn't cry about it for a year. So yes, that stuff can fly under the radar. My other kids always come to us if anything like that happens or really anything, but she didn't. So get off of your damned high horse. Long term bullying can and does happen even with parents who are vigilant. Oh and the other part is that we are in a small rural county. There were no other options for middle school. Not everyone can magically switch and we'd already tried and failed to homeschool her for 5 years prior.

[@GreySkye-yl8ym]

My kid had a mental break because of bullying in school. He didn’t go back.

[@ScrappyKitty15]

OmGosh I was diagnosed with BPD but always thought it’s cause was the relentless bullying I got as a kid. Now my counselor believes I was misdiagnosed and have CPTSD because my behavior is different than those with BPD in many respects. Thank you for your comment it helped. I hope your daughter is doing well today 💚

[@hauntedshadowslegacy2826]

Since it needs to be said: C-PTSD doesn't have to involve violence, or at the very least doesn't have to revolve around just violence. You can get C-PTSD from extended periods of trust violation, vicious name-calling, undue discipline, unusual discipline, social isolation, little to no emotional support or teaching... The reason most C-PTSD cases are kids is because of just how vulnerable they are to abuse and neglect, including some forms of abuse or neglect that the ignorant or uneducated wouldn't consider abuse or neglect. This stigma around kids being 'stupid' is very damaging and leads to psychological harm. Not all trauma is visible. Just because you don't see bruises doesn't mean everything's fine. Kids have emotional intelligence, and it's time they were treated like it.

[@jenniferking3316]

That's called narcissist abuse. I've been there

[@amyrengo8037]

Yes!! My parents were emotionally neglectful and it was so damaging for me and caused physical and mental issues. I wish she would have touched upon that. I first heard about it when I read Pete Walker's book, "Surviving to Thriving" and it was like I was reading about myself.

[@krissi42085]

I couldn't agree with that more! I know from personal experience, I watched my Uncle & his wife "emotionally retard" my cousin! That's what the doctors called it! And I also have CPTSD myself, so I totally know that not just physical abuse is damaging to kids or just sexual abuse, but emotional abuse & emotional neglect are a huge part of it!

[@renatababulevich5914]

this dr ramani is a satanic implant like all of them duh.

[@renatababulevich5914]

@@amyrengo8037 she dr ramani is here to keep us from knowledge and wisdom duh.

[@Isabella66Gracen]

I really dislike this camera angle. It lacks the personal warmth and comfort of the closer up angles.

[@Ella.L.]

Agreed

[@DeadwoodJawn]

Yep

[@Isabella66Gracen]

@Some One Exactly. This camera angle was not respectful of Dr. Romani or her wardrobe.

[@Isabella66Gracen]

@Some One 👍

[@iPodPeck]

Yes!

[@HomeFromFarAway]

the "lack of abandonment fear" only applies if your trauma doesn't come specifically from repeated abandonment. Anyone who has had family scapegoating abuse is at risk of abandonment issues

[@jamie.veebee]

I said the same exact thing.

[@atthomas3499]

Exactly I have cptsd and my trauma began with abandonment… I was adopted as a child and repeatedly abandoned and scapegoated by my adoptive family.

[@lasmeninas9667]

Dang, that dog having the chillest time of its life while hooman talking about deep psychological concepts and traumas

[@Spries-is-me]

I love this comment omg

[@chrish3556]

Love the tail wagging away in front of the camera. No wonder many people prefer dogs to some human beings.

[@ally8420]

im LOVING the random dog sleeping in the videos now. More of him please.

[@artsmith4285]

Absolutely .!. Actually been anticipating it's rolling over to operate that laptop .!. MGB us all

[@artsmith4285]

Absolutely .!. Actually been anticipating it's rolling over to operate that laptop .!. MGB us all

[@L0rdOfThePies]

🥺 Dogy

[@Reldas]

I was diagnosed with CPTSD a few years ago as a result of sustained abuse in my teens. I did weekly EMDR therapy for about a year and it honestly saved my life. I was 35 years old and my therapist said "this is a safe space" during our first session. I immediately started crying because I realized I had never felt safe anywhere, for well over 20 years. EMDR helped me realize that my "safe space" as a child was my grandparents' house. For anyone watching, you are not alone. You are not crazy. Please reach out for help.

[@Serpinel]

How long did it take before you noticed any positive effects from EMDR? I feel like it's not helping one bit.

[@alessandraalchemia3863]

Woah I’ve never heard of EMDR therapy thank you for this. Very happy you were able to get help and feeling more safe. I struggle with this in public I can’t even walk the streets without feeling anxiety and fear :(

[@sueblanchard6563]

@@Serpinel Not all therapists are skilled in this. I've had good EMDR treatments and bad EMDR sessions. I almost gave up on EMDR if it weren't for studies indicating that it's considered one of the best therapies for trauma. Find out from psychologists who the best trauma-focused therapists are.

[@scoobythetalkingdog9363]

What is emdr therapy?

[@sueblanchard6563]

@@scoobythetalkingdog9363 It's when you're as brutal and psychotic as Calgary Police Services.

[@frostypaws14]

I'm reading "Compelx PTSD: From Surviving to Thriving" by Pete Walker and just even the first two chapters have blown my mind. I can't recommend this book enough it's already so helpful.

[@angelinemariegosselin414]

I would tread lightly with this book as it’s extremely triggering and biased

[@aussie_has_fomo]

@@angelinemariegosselin414 Why is it biased? I just ordered the book on @frostypaws14 ‘s recommendation.

[@aleeka99]

yeah im reading this too i find it helpful. it is triggering if youre not reading to delve into your problems give it some time, i've had my book for 2 years and just started reading it now

[@hashsand]

Pete is saving my life with this book. It's thanks to his work in that that I understood so much about my cptsd and learning to cope

[@rynndiane6488]

Anxiety? I’m sitting in the bath right now with a candle... no danger in sight... yet I’m feeling like I’m coming out of my skin. Yes I’ve been diagnosed with cptsd.

[@untamed1958]

I’m comfortably numb

[@thebeginningisxi]

I was misdiagnosed as BPD because psychiatrists here do not recognise CPTSD as a disorder. It had a hugely detrimental effect on my treatment and I’ve experienced stigma ever since. If I’m in crisis, they refuse to help because they assume I’m doing it for attention: bad for me, and bad for people actually suffering from BPD. I wish the rest of the mental health field would catch up with psychology/psychologists.

[@gymnast2890]

BPD is the most misdiagnosed mental health disorder. Because there are so many DRUGS to treat it. It's driven by the pharmaceutical industry. So is Health.

[@SkullKing11841]

@@gymnast2890 There aren't any medications to treat BPD. But you can treat the co-morbid disorders like anxiety and depression that often comes with it.

[@SkullKing11841]

Grr I hate that mental health professionals think a crisis with BPD is just attention seeking. That myth needs to be buried. It sucks you got misdiagnosed and suffered because of it.

[@gypsy-nr9zd]

I’m in the exact opposite predicament lol. My problem is, because I was hospitalized once in a psych ward, whenever I do so much as drink and take 5 pills, MF’s assume I’m suicidal and trying to kill myself or I’m having a BPD episode or some shit. That’s exactly what happened to me a few months ago. The first psych ward I had ever been institutionalized in never once told me that they suspected me of having BPD, but when I end up in the hospital again (a different one) because I happened to drink 2 margaritas and take a 5th pill in front of a nurse (did it as an immature joke, stupid I know. I was 18), they have me on suicide watch in pediatrics and then they send me to the [adult] psych ward for 3 weeks. Needless to say, that’s the last time I drink and take pills in a hospital. Btw I was only there because my friend wasn’t feeling well so I went there with her. Then they decided that I couldn’t leave.

[@shedoesconcerts5762]

@@SkullKing11841 honestly, if someone is so desperate for attention they're acting out... they probably do need attention. neglect and rejection are not good things for mentally healthy people, why on earth do clinicians expect them to help people with disorders??

[@ladyhangaku2072]

Please remember: child abuse can also come in the context of emotional abuse. It doesn't always have to be really clear and directed towards the child, often times it is a stuble state which goes on for a long period of time. It's as valid as other kinds of abuse connected to CPTSD. Even though, compared to child trafficking and such, it doesn't sound as horrible, but still it's as valid as all other forms of abuse.

[@lindsay6518]

Preach! This can't be stated enough!

[@robynv3175]

Emotional abuse will mess you up for life. I would know after being trapped for 17 years with my mom's mental torture.

[@flamingsword777]

@@robynv3175 FACTS! I too left home at 17 for the same reason and have been in an even worse situation for 25 years with my husband. Between those two alone and not counting the myriad others who have abused me in every conceivable way, At 41 years old, i feel like i am 91. I have fought thyroid cancer, lost my gallbladder, having issues with my pancreas and that's not counting the issues with my liver, nervous endocrine and digestive systems. I feel like i lived through a horror movie and i am in isolation (some due to my own, but really had no choice because of what my husband did), for the past 3 years. I know i am no angel either, but i feel like if people only knew the MULTIPLE traumas i have lived through, they would probably shit bricks. I have had some people that have known me my entire life ask me how i haven't offed myself and it's only because of Jesus why i haven't. My physical health is in such jeopardy right now that i know if something doesn't happen ssokn, i could possibly die. I have lost over a 100 pounds due to the cancer sucking me dry and before i got it, i had issues losing weight (he would tell me things abiut my weight). He also told me things about my weight since like i am a bag of bones. I have literally been abused in every way since in utero. I am not kidding. I was born 6 weeks early due to failure to thrive ( wasn't loved or wanted and also my intestines weren't fully finished forming so i couldn't absorb nutrients and still have that problem today) and i am thoroughly exhausted. I think my youngest son is also a possible narc. All of this scares me, but i am prepared to go wherever Jesus takes me because i was diagnosed with C-PTSD. I was literally born traumatized and have been this way my whole life because the bad stuff just kept on coming at me...... I feel spiritually gang stalked if that makes any sense? I don't trust anybody and i want to be left the hell alone bit am stuck like Chuck because my husband made sure of that. He thinks he's slick, but i see straight through him. He is a Libra snake. When i read about this, it was confirmed in my spirit i am definitely dealing with a narc and possibly a psychopath. I want out and want my freedom and don't know where to begin? I am REALLY weak and feel like i will collapse under any more weight.....

[@warmonger9100]

Completely agree. Sad, that people tend to look for visible wounds and dismiss the invisible ones.

[@ConejitoPequenito]

It's extremely rare for cptsd to stem from emotional or verbal abuse. The kind of trauma that leads to any sort of ptsd is life-and-death. Yes, that fear can be striked verbally and emotionally, but generally with a threat of physical/sexual/deadly abuse.

[@comingforthattoothbrush9896]

It's very important to note that CPTSD is an outcome of any of a child's needs being unmet for a long period while the brain is developing. It is neurological and physiological, not just psychological, at root. Yes, this can include scenarios like physical violence. But it can also happen when children are emotionally abused or neglected. They could be very subtly but constantly undermined and their selfhood denied for years, as happens fairly often to children of borderline parents. Indeed this may account for a greater proportion of cases than physical and sexual abuse. Another important thing to add is that the reason some people get PTSD from war, for example, while others in the same situations do not, is increasingly shown to be linked with childhood experiences and how the brain processes these more transient violent experiences as a result.

[@StayAIive]

I feel like DID, BPD, and C-PTSD have some similar symptoms and such and I just wish someone would make a video talking about the similarities and differences between these 3 disorders.

[@djmandyland]

DID isnt a personality disorder that's a major difference. BPD is a disorder of how someone's entire identity develops and D.I.D is a complete split in the psyche that created different alters so its purely mental.

[@tayliegh]

Persons with C-PTSD do have suicidal tendencies.

[@gymnast2890]

It's all BS. They sit in a room & make up how to diagnose these things & put it in the DSM ...Drs & INSURANCE companies Bible. Then they say it's called such & such & these DRUGS treat this. BPD is the most over diagnosed mental health disorder. Because it overlaps with many things & the driving force....there are many drugs to prescribe for it.

[@le_th_]

@@gymnast2890 Clinicians who specialize in the diagnosis and treatment of Cluster B disorders usually don't make such rookie mistakes. I have never heard of ANY medication that will cure someone of their abandonment anxiety or engulfment fears. If you know of one, the world awaits your revelation...and you just may receive a Nobel prize.

[@tayliegh]

@@le_th_ I do agree with you about this. The Body Keeps the Score is a guide to trauma and its treatments. It is meant to help you to navigate the mind-body link so you can see the effects of childhood trauma and adult trauma. It dives into the stories we don't want to face. It also discusses treatment options, some of which are not conventional. There is no easy way to talk to a victim about the abuse.

[@gypsy-nr9zd]

December Leigh And links of studies or research that can prove anything you just uttered?

[@princessadora]

@@gymnast2890 there are no drugs for borderline

[@harrieta6961]

It's worrying that so many people are misdiagnosed. The fact the so many people have cptsd is alarming as it means so many children continue to let down by society x

[@lindsay6518]

Yes society and parents.

[@hauntedshadowslegacy2826]

@@lindsay6518 You mean "parents". The fake kind. No respectable parent would intentionally cause so much pain and suffering on the life they forced into existence that the innocent child would develop a severe and debilitating mental disorder. It's time society recognizes those monsters for the monsters they are.

[@familyguy6668]

It's even more sad when, it's their parents that give them this condition ...

[@priscille1577]

It's difficult for broken people to raise up whole kids

[@angelic420x5]

i'm a product of parents throwing pills in my face because of misdiagnosis so i got no love for meds

[@ecb1979]

I heard about C-PTSD in 2005/2006 when I was diagnosed with it. I've worked really hard to overcome a lot of my symptoms. Most days I'm highly functional now. So there is hope if you're reading this 🥰

[@user-lb8oj5qo4r]

Thanks to 👆👆I was having depression, anxiety and Cptsd, he helped me get rid of them, he got psychedelic products, Lsd, Dmt, candy bars and quality shrooms he ships swiftly too

[@KarriSimone]

I feel the same

[@dr.karidouglas1312]

If you're watching this video and feeling like you're at the end of your rope, please know that you're not alone. It's okay to reach out for help, whether that's through therapy, medication, or just talking to a friend. It can be a long and difficult journey, but there is hope and healing on the other side. Thank you to the creator for sharing their story and shedding light on this important topic.

[@patriciacleveland2588]

Anxiety happens when you think you have to figure out everything all at once . Breathe . You're strong . You got this . Take it day by day .

[@patriciacleveland2588]

I have researched and found out that shrooms are very helpful , it has really helps to reduce anxiety and depression . I would love to try magic mushrooms but I can't easily get some , Is there any realiable source I can purchase one

[@charlesharrison3207]

I've been hearing a lot about the benefits of medicinal mushrooms lately and I'm curious to try it out for myself. Do you have any recommendations on how to use the product?

[@ellentevault3372]

I’m so glad to finally hear about cptsd talking about domestic violence and childhood abuse.

Same. Went through both and family abuse. Thank you and take care.

[@johnkennedy1242]

CPTSD is very well explained in a series of KZbin videos by Anne Runkle (aka the Crappy Childhood fairey)

[@RosaMKelly]

It's strange if you have heard of CPTSD outside of those contexts or a couple others

[@Tilly236]

It's so important for C-PTSD to become recognised. I thought for years that I must have BPD, but don't fit many of the criteria. It's horrible not knowing what it is that's affecting you, but knowing you see the world so differently from everyone else. I learned about C-PTSD from a random article on facebook, and did my own research from there. Now I feel so much more validated and less 'weird', and can ask my therapist for help with specific things. I couldn't do that before.

[@amberdavies5998]

Complex PTSD is in the ICD11 which is the manual most often used in the UK. The manual was developed in 2019 and comes I to practice in 2022. So it is a very real disorder, just taken a little while to get the recognition. Violet Silver, I'm so glad the recognition has helped you and I'm glad you've been able to get some specific support and validation!!

[@evaollie9208]

Why didnt ur Therapist mention it? Wow

[@gregallen6463]

CPTSD is very real. Maybe the guy with the classy name above can walk me through the trauma flashbacks rooted in childhood abuse that have been trying to destroy my life.

[@shrinkelizabeth]

I learned to dissociate as a child whenever there was violence going on in the home or as a way to imagine myself in scenarios where I would get the type of love I needed but didn't get from my family. Now as an adult, I find it very difficult to stay present throughout the day, and I don't know how to fix this about myself or if it's even possible. It makes functioning as an adult extremely difficult and is dangerous in situations where I need to focus to avoid getting hurt or hurting someone else like when I'm driving or when I'm helping with a medical procedure on my clinical rotations for school. I have not had any success in finding a counselor who knows how to help with this kind of thing. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

[@Beanssss_]

I dont have suggestions but I do feel your pain. I was in an emotionally abusive/ neglectful household back then where both of my parents fought alot and broke things infront of me and my siblings. To make up for me feeling like I couldn't trust anybody- I dissociated too and created a safe space on my head with a bunch of characters and storylines (maladaptive daydreaming). Now it's very distracting and irritating and also this Corona virus pandemic has made my truma resurface and I just cant stop all the random "flashbacks" if you call it for a couple of seconds. It does suck that's for sure.

[@ArtyAntics]

I would suggest looking for a counsellor that understands dissociative disorders, I used to dissociate constantly and it effected my ability to function. I find routine very helpful to keep my thread back to reality. It’s totally ok to give your inner child what you needed back then now you are an adult, but for me I had to learn to do that when I wasn’t dissociated and after a while I didn’t need to dissociate as much. Grounding is also very helpful, but it honestly never worked for me until I made it a habit when I wasn’t dissociative. Repetition is needed if we want to create a new automatic response so doing grounding all of the time just increases the chance that you will see a window of opportunity next time you start to dissociate. To begin with you have no control but as you increase your window of tolerance you can get to a place where it is a choice sometimes, then more often etc…

[@cedarmcdaniels1538]

Kathy Steele…..see her interviews on NICBAM KZbin channel. She also wrote a book on this….

[@oyocgkxgoc1211]

I can relate. Meditation has helped a bit

[@sydp7903]

I was seeing a therapist that specifically focused and worked through my childhood trauma (I also witnessed violence often in my household) and it helped tremendously. I was able to cry in front of another person for the first time in a long time. So yeah try to find someone who will work through your trauma and is also preferably familiar with dissociation/derealization symptoms.

[@LennsArrival]

When you have autism and the comorbidity cptsd combined, you mainly get a bpd diagnosis at first. These types of mental state are the most similar it can get. I would love to see a video about the difficulties diagnosing for a psychiatrist.

[@feministliberation9640]

I could never get an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis in italy lol they only gave me antipsychotic antidepressant that fried what was left of my cptsd brain I dont wanna be _evaluated by professionals_ anymore

[@AnEsotericMind]

so many of us were misdiagnosed, i dont believe in bpd at all, it is autistic women with trauma, period.

[@jameswayton2340]

I have autism and CPTSD combined, i was tested for borderline but did not have enough of the traits to recieve the diagnoses. For example i have fear of people leaving me but my sister who i believe has borderline has this fear on a completely different level. Much stronger and intense, a fear that making her behave in certain ways. It does not even compare. So its confuding to me to hear that. Autism, CPTSD, borderline, they are all very different. In total i have met i think at least 3-4 people with borderline and i behave nothing like them. I don't reason like them or sabotage a relationship like them. I'm not impulsive like them, etc etc. I have also met at least 10 people with autism and talked to them. How they behave can varrey greatly but again how they behave is just so different from someone with borderline. And you don't have to have CPTSD with autism. So all this combined maybe its just me but yea its weird to me that there are so much difficulties for diagnosing. Maybe because most is done without the experience of actually meeting those people with these diagnoses and not having it yourself.

[@AnEsotericMind]

@@jameswayton2340 You have a penis dude, of course they didnt tell you youre a crazy bitch, which is what they mean when they diagnose us with bpd. its a witch hunt against women, its always a witch hunt against women, and autistic women are easy targets, autism is hereditary. your autistic and your sister presents with "bpd??" she is autistic. yah women present differently than you, that whole arrogance of assuming we would be like YOU is why we get misdiagnosed so often to begin with lot of autistic men become HYPO emotional while we become hyper emotional, because much more is expected of us and we burn out, especially undiagnosed- and mask our symptoms way better than most men too, because it is socially expected of us to do so, and boys get coddled. good chance your mommy favored her precious baby boy with a diagnosis, over her daughter too causing your sister to have way more ptsd. id ask you to have compassion for your clearly autistic ptsd sister and to help her realize that she is not "a crazy bitch" but i can see youre definitely not going to do that because you enjoy being special too much

[@robinr2770]

I was diagnosed with BPD years ago, but never felt it fit me. I became best friends with someone who has BDP and came to realize it was not my diagnosis through seeing someone who actually has it. My therapist also said I don't have BPD. I learned about CPTSD when I started looking into insecure attatchment and codependency. It was not until I watched Honey Boy by Shia Labeouf that I realized what I went through in my childhood counts as traumatic and finally realized that this may be the correct diagnosis. Since PTSD is so often discussed in regards to big traumatic events or physical abuse, I didn't believe that the abandonment, neglect and forced inappropriate responsibility I went through as a child was traumatic enough to warrant PTSD.

[@anessapfeifer249]

Right!! So abandonment is a symptom of CPTSD... that’s what I have heard. I think she misspoke around 4:00.

[@robinr2770]

@@anessapfeifer249 I think it's quite complex. I would say I don't have a fear of abandonment the same way my friends with bpd does, she seems almost frantic about it. Meanwhile in my past I have multiple instances of actual physical abandonment, which of course makes me sensitive to it, but actually also used to it. So rather than fear abandonment, I find some comfort and familiarity in it. Of course the fear is there too, it's impossible to not care at all, but you feel like it's inevitable and that you deserve it.

[@littlemonster2483]

I knew someone with BPD and so when I was a bit confused by the diagnosis, and now I got re-diagnosed with C-PTSD recently! A total relief now because I was so lost about therapy! People pointed out things that were for people with BPD but I was so confused as what I was feeling and dealing/coping with was nothing like it! I felt like a lost cause! 😔😔😔 I did DBT which helped with some things but it never helped all of my C-PTSD symptoms and now I know why. I feel less of a lost cause because I know what treatment to try!

[@redss111]

Ptsd and Cptsd are NOT the same thing.

[@drmercyme]

I only heard of CPTSD last year when my diagnosis changed from BPD to CPTSD. I'm from Scotland and I had never heard of Complex talked about until my psychiatrist said its a relatively new term. My diagnosis of Borderline always bothered me because I know I never met the 9 criteria traits but because I had been sexually abused my first psychiatrist said that's what I had but as soon as I started looking into CPTSD I cried with relief knowing I have a correct diagnosis and can finally get help for the symptoms that I do have.

[@johnkennedy1242]

CPTSD is very well explained in a series of KZbin videos by Anne Runkle (aka the Crappy Childhood fairey)

[@nomad9598]

Courtney, I am glad you have been given the appropriate diagnosis, I wish you well and all the best for the future

[@justinacosta9973]

That's good, cause you can heal from cptsd.

[@Mark.Kenlock]

@@justinacosta9973 same as BPD

[@samia6888]

@@Mark.Kenlock I thought since BPD is a personality disorder it can't be healed/cured? I'm so confused with everything.

[@crazicountrygirl3166]

First time I heard about PTSD was watching videos about narcissistic abuse and realizing I was a victim. It validated the crazy feelings I had all my life.

[@Seline]

Do not self-diagnose such a serious disorder. Contact a psychiatrist and let them decide if you have PTSD or not.

[@charlottes7003]

I was diagnosed with CPTSD a few months ago and my brother was diagnosed with BPD last year. The most distinct difference in symptoms I see is that I internalised a lot of my pain whereas my brother projects his.

[@lilyblack1979]

Quiet BPD also internalizes pain. Not all BPD is the same. There are subtypes. Learn more.

[@MatteoLatorre]

How are you doing Charlotte? have you had trouble maintaining relationships? my loved one has got this

[@randaltichy6570]

I internalyze it too and I'm really sure I have BPD, not C-PTSD

[@Ambiancemeditationflow]

As a psych NP student, I can truly say that many providers do not discuss CPTSD at all, and immediately jump to a BPD diagnosis.

[@johnkennedy1242]

CPTSD is very well explained in a series of KZbin videos by Anne Runkle (aka the Crappy Childhood fairey)

[@neverabsolutelynever]

A few years ago I had an AMAZING psychiatrist who was treating me for CPTSD. Long story short my abusive ex husband lead me to ending up in the hospital for mental health.... the psychiatrist at the hospital walked in, asked me about 10 questions about how I had felt recently... walked out and told my parents I had BPD. It was the weirdest experience ever.

[@Annie-dm1tu]

I don’t think you can truly say that... that is your opinion based on your experience. -A psych NP

[@nowvoyagerNE]

some providers have been around long enough that PTSD and cPTSD and other disorders weren't yet recognized, weren't yet named, and weren't yet entered in the DSM. when i took psych 101, hebephrenic schizophrenic was a subcategory of schizophrenia. when is the last time you heard that term? i have dysthymia -- when is the last time you heard that term? the names of disorders change over the years, old ones are dropped, and new ones are added.

[@chrish3556]

Those trapped in an abusive relationship or toxic environment will manifest symptoms of BPD without the fear of abandonment, emptiness or lack of identity. Isolation and avoidance becomes the way to avoid more trauma and abuse until a person can escape.

[@EllePlowPlow]

I was really wondering how my symptoms could so closely resemble BPD and not be BPD. It’s because I have C-PTSD. Thanks for this video. I wish the rest of the series were on KZbin as well.

[@fortunatecoincidence]

I heard about C-Ptsd 4 years ago during my therapy for ptsd. Before that I was misdiagnosed with Borderline, ADHD, schizoaffective disorder and other disorders. I think is is due to the fact that (at least in my country) therapists are not too well educated on trauma and it is hard to find specialists and when I was young no one ever asked me what happened to me and I did not know that I was allowed to talk about it - it felt like therapy back then was always just about how I did not function properly. Especially the borderline diagnosis was very debilitating for me because I did not fit in with the borderline groups I had to go to as a teenager - it worsened my negative self-image and I was given soo much medication that I did not need. If you feel like trauma might be an issue for you, go find an expert! My C-Ptsd symptoms are almost gone: I now know how to spot good relationships, I've managed to get a circle of friends whom I trust completely, I have almost no flashbacks and I am getting my neuroscience degree soon. :) I know it can feel like there is no hope at times, the grieving process is so hard and the isolation ongoing traumatic experiences create is cruel, but with the correct therapy C-Ptsd symptoms can vanish almost completely and you will be able to live a happy life full of self-worth and meaningful and safe relationships. You go and get the life you deserve! :)

[@hashsand]

Wow, so happy for you! Great to read this. I struggled with finding a good knowledgable therapist and don't feel like trying again.

[@LouisaWatt]

I knew about my cPTSD and my ex called me borderline when I reacted strongly to his gaslighting, but I was like “nah dude, I’m way too happy to break this off.” Unfortunately being alone is much less stressful, especially when you date someone with OCD 😕

[@feministliberation9640]

Borderline is a misogynistic label narc men put on the victims they made go crazy with their mental games

[@LouisaWatt]

@@feministliberation9640 accurate

[@Yabyummyyoga]

I have both. CPTSD from continued narcissistic abuse throughout my life but developed BPD from childhood abuse.

[@Amelia_loves]

Same here.

[@claudiamooney5489]

Same

[@claudiamooney5489]

@Jessica Hicking it is possible to have comorbid BPD with ASD. They can be misdiagnosed as one another but it absolutely can and does happen because of childhood trauma. Bpd is characterised around fear of abandonment and I was diagnosed with it after being diagnosed with ASD because of that

[@claudiamooney5489]

@Jessica Hicking who said I don't have more than one? You just sound misinformed tbh. I have every symptom of BPD and I pass every test ma'am. On top of that, I've had the diagnosis checked by other doctors, that's how it works here before you can get a diagnosis. So another thing to think about is just because you've had a bad doctor, doesn't mean everyone who has comorbid BPD also has a bad doctor. If that's not enough for you a simple Google search can show you medical studies of comorbidities with Autism

[@novalea]

Same. Both and late diagnosed at 40 yrs old while in addiction treatment.

[@AuroraSilverFox]

I heard about cptsd last year, when I was just starting to analyze the narcissistic cycle and what I had been dealing with, and cutting myself out of those relationships.

[@nickieecookielala]

Same.

[@lorinewcomb4717]

Yes! Same here!

[@josec1538]

Yeah, i realized i had cptsd and bad coping habits. While trying to figure my issues out during a break up some social media posts made me think that my ex gf thinks I’m a narcissist. It Made me even more depressed. Social medias is ruining alot of our mental health and communication. Now i think she believes I’m a Narc. It’s terrible feeling

[@samia6888]

@@josec1538 most narcissists do not feel bad because they will never admit to being a narcissist at all so from your response and the pain you feel it doesn't seem like you are a narcissist. Also you commenting on a CPTSD video shows that you aren't one because narcissists usually don't take the time to do this type of research.

[@katherineyoung1401]

@@samia6888 Totally agree, I was married to a vicious narcissist for a long time.

[@janeeni]

First time today! - at 58yo. Thank you for this. - it's clear i have -C-PTSD. However, loving-kindness given to my inner child has been profound in healing, layer by layer, aspect by aspect. And I remain lovingly vigilant

[@PaddyEvenson]

After having most of the alphabet attached to my diagnosis through my teens and 20s (bipolar, depression, anxiety, psychosis, insomnia, schizo-affective, BPD, and OCD), I entered into funded treatment. Vicki was amazing, she showed me that my symptoms, from the above diagnosis, were all related to CPTSD. It absolutely blew my mind! I now realize that, though I experience symptoms and mood instability from the above labels, I actually really only have CPTSD and OCD. THIS CHANGED MY LIFE! 3 years of exposure therapy and I'm now clean 4 years, have my symptoms under control, am on the lowest dose of medications in my entire adult life, and am actually settled and content. I obviously still suffer the symptoms, but I've learned to manage them to have less impact on my day to day functioning. This is so important for people to be able to be properly diagnosed! I lived my life as an outsider, labeled and insecure with my "authentic self". Realizing my issues stem directly to childhood abuse and trauma was a massive, life changing, revelation. I hope that others can access these professionals like I did. Much love to all those suffering and know that there is hope.

[@dawnkikong637]

It should be reclassified as traumatic brain injury and not mental illness. I'm glad you're healing.

[@AshlynTheMurderer]

I have cptsd because of my childhood being abused and then in high school I got stuck in a 4 year abusive relationship. I’m 18 and healing

[@Max-zz7ol]

Proud of you 💜

[@mashno226rz]

Hope you heal ❤️❤️❤️

[@starboi1017]

I pray for you to heal❤💔❤

[@closetpsychologist4027]

I thought I had BPD but I was diagnosed with C-PTSD. It was very hard to differentiate the two before I heard from a professional

[@rainsara2795]

I thought y couldn't be diagnosed with CPTSD?

[@daisymargo5385]

@@rainsara2795 you can diagnosed with CPTSD but it depends where do you live. For example Borderline Personality Disorder just came in 2020 in Clinical therapy as a diagnose in my stupid country while CPTSD they dont diagnose it because they are not educated in it.

[@anessapfeifer249]

I have heard of it before and heard that CPTSD Can have abandonment issues like Adopted kids.. Did she misspeak or does and abandonment issue signal that it is not CPTSd due to neglect.

[@Courtney-pn5lr]

@@anessapfeifer249 I have a diagnosis of Complex Trauma which is associated with C-PTSD. I don't have a strong fear of abandonment as much as sensitivity to perceived and actual rejection. I was abused and neglected in childhood and adulthood.

[@jaccobwalker7939]

I heard about C-PTSD about a year ago, my therapist actually brought it up and i had a very deep conversation about it with her.

[@yoga_jay1936]

Love these videos. They are super helpful. I want to clarify one point in the differential diagnosis of C-PTSD and BPD, though. If your childhood trauma, at least in part, was caused by neglect, I believe a fear of abandonment can accompany C-PTSD without BPD being comorbid or the primary diagnosis. This distinction is extremely important because it directs treatment. Someone with C-PTSD could benefit from processing trauma with EMDR, but might not get the same benefit from the medications or treatment modalities better suited to BPD.

[@nickimontie]

This is the first time I've heard about CPTSD. Very revealing.

[@johnkennedy1242]

CPTSD is very well explained in a series of KZbin videos by Anne Runkle (aka the Crappy Childhood fairey)

[@jessie420straya]

Same

[@bringemyoungpbuh4123]

I was raised by a mother with schizophrenia. Given the symptoms mentioned, I may have a low-level CPTSD. Years of emotional insecurity and lack of nurturing definitely took its toll.

[@le_th_]

No one would fault you if you did. I can only imagine the hell you likely endured with a psychotic mother.

[@bringemyoungpbuh4123]

@@le_th_ I got off relatively lucky. She was mostly medicated, but did have a few psychotic episodes. However, what I have seen at ACA (Adult Children Anonymous), my trauma was light in comparison.

[@shedoesconcerts5762]

@@bringemyoungpbuh4123 please note that your degree of trauma is separate from the events which traumatized you and very subjective. every person responds differently. your trauma is not necessarily less simply because you suffered less abuse.

[@islamicscholar6073]

@@shedoesconcerts5762 Granted. Not a 1:1 ratio, but more and prolonged abuse without external support typically does greater damage.

[@aleadean7951]

Are you ex mormon? I grew up in the cult.... part of my many issues LOL

[@biancas6313]

This video, although short, just like made something click in my mind. My partner constantly points out how much I devalue myself; colleagues at work have said the same; and in friendships, which I usually abandon due to general distrust, I am told the same thing. It is almost said in a joking way to me, but too many people have said it now that, at 29 years old, I now realise the years of emotional, psychological, physical, and verbal abuse from my family (as the family scapegoat, with a narcissistic mother) would have lead to C-PTSD. I literally tick every box. I am not fearful of abandonment, but I am fearful of people rejecting me as I am. My partner of 8.5 years I literally do not trust enough to be truly myself around all the time, because I was constantly tormented for years when I was kid/teenager and couldn't escape it. Now, as an adult, I still hide my things, like my sketches and writing, because I just don't trust being that open with him or anyone about things I create. I'm scared of people, and I am scared of not being good enough for them. I feel like I'm still that teenager who had to try to hide from her family's abuse in the neighbours yard (we lived in a rough neighbourhood and I was raised to fear rape if I left the home or yard), whilst every other adult my age now is living like an adult and able to speak to each other like one. I'm just that scared kid still. I feel like I have to pretend that I'm someone I'm not around others, whilst simulateously beating myself up for being who I really am. Does that make sense?

[@lreevesnyc21]

This discussion on BPD vs CPTSD is essential information for anyone who has a close, significant relationship with someone suffering from CPTSD. My boyfriend of 7 years lived in a household as a child that exposed him to regular, inescapable abuse, emotionally and physically over a long period of time. Understanding the critical difference of the 2 allows me to be supportive, instead of feeling he is a "monster". By my understanding instead of accusing, or attacking, allows him to feel more trust, to be able to express his feelings. Folks it was a long journey. And only makes sense for me because when he is not triggered and at peace, he's a delight to be with. My best friend. But, sticking with them may not be for everyone. We are older, 60 and 70 past the time of creating a family. Also we dont live together so he can take time alone to rebalance and recharge. For those looking for a mate to build a family with, the challenges of someone with CPTSD, would be overwhelming when raising young children. You partner can't be available always. But that is a personal choice. For those with lots of family support you can lean on when you need it, that can help you make it through. Again a personal choice depending on your own circumstances. I know this relationship has made me mature emotionally more than I wanted LOL. It takes a lot of understanding and patience. But so far, I keep choosing to stay in the relationship. The positives outweigh the negative. Best to all.

[@maevemystic]

She is VERY wrong about C-PTSD not having abandonment issues. Abandonment/developmental trauma falls under C-PTSD. It is very tied into rejection right from the beginning in utero and neglect in childhood and not being seen or ever feeling safe or secure on top of the emotional abuse. This dr isn't the best at explaining this at all.

[@NN57143]

Thank you! I agree.

[@sharynbailey4235]

Thanks so much for saying that, I agree completely. I was diagnosed with PTSD in 2005 which was changed to C-PTSD about 3 years ago. I was separated from birth mother at birth & quite likely rejected in utero. Spent the first two weeks in an orphanage & then was adopted by parents who were steeped in intergenerational trauma. Mother was a control freak bordering on OCD, & Father was an alcoholic. Tragedy struck the family when I was 6 and my youngest brother who I was very close to (both brothers were biological to my parents) died in a car accident. My mothers unprocessed grief from her own mother dying when she was 8 meant she dealt with it in very unhealthy ways ie; 'his name was not to be mentioned'. Of course, I was also grieving the loss of my brother & this complicated my grief no end. Home then became a very unpleasant battle ground of yelling between my parents each night and me constantly trying to be the good girl - cutting off parts of my core self - in order to be accepted and belong. Then my best friend of 6 years died at the age of 15. We had planned to travel and see the world together. I went on to have some beautiful experiences and relationships in life, but always danced to a different drum than the mainstream. Also gave birth to a magnificent human 31 years ago who I raised completely opposite to how I had been raised. At 44 - after suffering severe depression for years - my mother finally told me I was adopted. Which meant she had to apologise for lying to me about it when my drunk father told friends when I was about 13, & my friends in turn told me. She had lied to me about it! The betrayal was the worst part of the revelation tbh. I share all this not for pity or sympathy but to confirm the validity of all your points - in my case anyway. Thankfully, 2 years of Trauma therapy - specifically Somatic Experiencing - and 'doing the work' & I have changed considerably for the better but still have to work at it daily - even moment by moment sometimes. Trust is still a major issue in all my relationships - & feeling safe to be my true self is also an ongoing challenge,

[@Sarablueunicorn]

She only knows what's written in the book and repeats like a parrot. She has some useful insight about narcissism, where she disconnects a bit from the academic POV, but that's it. Remember that psychiatric diagnosis are just theories and the scapegoat of medicine and "out of normal" behaviors. Just think that majority of personality disorders cause external harming but "BPD" affects the person, it's not a personality issue to feel constant emotional pain, hypervigilance anxiety, suicidal thoughts and self harming. It's hell on earth.

[@rubythesheep2]

Absolutely.

[@youtubename7819]

You can be traumatized by abandonment and therefore develop cptsd but the disorder itself is not characterized by fear of abandonment. Most cptsd people choose solitude even past the point of loneliness. Most cptsd people perceive others as vaguely threatening and shy away from connection. Cptsd people often feel like aliens. (Not forever - just until they begin to understand what happened and heal their symptoms.) Whereas bpd individuals tend to immediately dive deep into connection, see others as “sources,” (engage in splitting, seeking the perfect source) and then freak out and lash out when that inevitably crumbles. Bpd people tend to feel constantly victimized, even when people around them are accommodating and caring. It’s a very different personality dynamic.

[@isadoramoon7521]

I think that my father has complex ptsd 🤔 He has many of the symptoms. His childhood was horrible, he was beaten by his mother severely. She for example broke his ribs, nose, kicked him while he tried to hide from her under his bed, drove him out in the winter without shoes ☹️ his father wasn't any better, but instead of physical violence he was mentally abusive. My father is now 72 years old but still suffers from the effects of the childhood abuse. He is a little better now than when he was younger but the symptoms are still there. (sorry for my English, it isn't my mother language)

[@ab-st3rv]

🙏🏼

[@Michelen7]

😢😢😢

[@bmorr7]

I'm so sorry! My thoughts and prayers are with you. 😢💔🙏 I hope your Christmas is good for you and your Dad.

[@thepainterlady]

I was diagnosed as having BPD and PTSD. 38 years of counseling and I find the truth here? Dr. Ramani has so many good videos on her channel. Seeing and hearing her explain this has been very enlightening. I was raised by two narcissistic parents and suffered physical abuse by my father. I have had repeated physical traumas, emotional traumas and a lot of health issues. I think there truly is a light at the end of this tunnel.

[@alysonturner2718]

I heard of cPTSD about 5 years ago . When then ‘then’ therapist suggested it . I have been chasing help , then taking a break since . As I am watching this video my mother “enabler” in the abuse , was just diagnosed with aggressive cancer. The time is now ! I am nipping this beast in the butt! I am stopping this ancestral trauma here !

[@Isabella66Gracen]

This is the first time I've heard it. And I graduated in psychology. (Albeit quite a long time ago). Things are changing rapidly. That's why I love watching! Thanks!

[@dorywolf]

I’ve known about C-PTSD since I was diagnosed 5 years ago! There is hope & healing! 🙏🏼❤️

[@ethanpoole3443]

I hope so, I’ve struggled with it for 36 years!

[@lizzybee5025]

What kind of treatment?

[@dorywolf]

Lizzy Bee Cognitive Behavioral Therapy

[@reeben2273]

@@dorywolf Far more than that. DBT, Rewind, Somatic.

[@angelaelena7775]

Where

[@user-zd3ns6wx7y]

Today is 10/27/23 and I heard about it two weeks ago. And after several decades getting that diagnosis finally gave me understanding and step one to the road of recovery.

[@lintu6814]

I had a father who was neglectful and abusive mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. I was always on edge since I knew if I had an asthma attack I might very easily die at his house since he didn’t give me my meds nor did he “believe” my allergies and asthma were real. He intimidated me and my mom by stopping by after he lost visitation rights and continued to stalk us for a long time afterwards. I can say that cptsd has nothing to do with one particular type of abuse or neglect... any high stress prolonged situation where someone is unsafe and left to fend for themselves is enough to prompt the ptsd or cptsd reaction. All abuse trauma is valid and damaging and needs to be addressed.

[@oliviajae298]

The stigmas are all still too damaging. Shame on this industry.

[@alextorres990]

I was misdiagnosed with BPD a few years ago, but thank God I found a mental health counselor that was able to spot the subtle differences. I wasn't ever afraid of abandonment, I was afraid of being abused again. I was never struggling with a sense of self, in fact I've been the same consistent person since before the abuse. The only part that changed was that now I completely avoid close relationships with people because I'm afraid they will physically hurt me. I'm only angry when I get triggered with a flight or fight response. And I for sure don't have problems with self harm, in fact I spend most of my time focusing on self preservation. So thank you for this video. More awareness needs to be spread about CPTSD.

[@Sarablueunicorn]

I don't fear being alone so I dont jump from relationship to relationship like many BPD cases. But as soon as I am in a relationship and I attached I transform in a sick ball of anxiety and I'm always triggered, I dont fear the physical abuse (at least the ppl I was with never showed signs of it..) but I was afraid of abandonment indeed, not being taken care of.

[@amc3736]

As a survivor of domestic violence and narcissistic abuse, in my research for understanding and a guide on how to proceed, was the first time I heard of CPTSD. I believe that really applies in domestic violence. The prolonged exposure to an extremely unhealthy environmentAffects the victim as well as those around them, namely the children. Often isolated from the rest world, behind closed doors, to be abused and brainwashed daily.

[@carmelgreen1415]

Yes, this is what I believe has caused my cPTSD.

[@dedantisocial3315]

I wish I could state how much this literally saved my life.

[@PCMenten]

First time learning of CPTSD.

[@CRexcelsior]

I heard about CPTSD a couple weeks ago. I was recently diagnosed with BPD, and have been researching that on KZbin, and there was a mention of the overlap of CPTSD and BPD. While I recognize many BPD traits in myself, I see CPTSD traits as well.

[@mjremy2605]

So grateful for this. It is helping me a lot. I have become better at discerning damaged people so as not to end up in a relationship with them. I do feel abandoned and scapegoated by my family but have no fear of abandonment, I like my solitary life. My symptoms match those of CPTSD. I can see how BPD comes close. However, the real difference is in the origins of the illness. BPD has different origins than CPTSD. It has taken me over 6 decades to figure this out and I am still learning and not an expert on my damaged self. I know one thing - I have a deep source of anger in me like a factory that manufactures anger daily. What helps me a lot is to do sports - swimming outdoors in sunny pools or oceans are very cathartic, doing martial arts and acting out the aggression is super cathartic. I feel very peaceful after that, in harmony with the world. I don't touch alcohol, never did any drugs or shrooms, take all my vitamins and minerals, and eat intelligently. This has been good for me. My family life is completely wrecked and a monumental failure. I had married a Malignant Narcissist who was also Bipolar. The greatest joy was to be divorced finally. Sadly, he alienated both my kids and this has been devastatingly sad. But, I am free and in good health. That is enough. Very grateful for these videos, and the light you shine into my knotted up mind. Thank you Dr Ramani! 🙏❤

[@sherrycopeland3553]

I first heard the term CPTSD when I was diagnosed with the disorder (along with Extreme Anxiety accompanied by panic attacks and Hyper Sensitivity), after suffering repeated, long-term abuse (verbal, physical, and emotional). I received therapy for two years and now only see my therapist when I'm under stress/overwhelmed or triggered. Being able to identify my triggers has helped me to avoid situations where I will panic and lose control. It has not been easy but I get stronger every day and have learned to trust others (to a degree). I now, no longer live in the shadows but have learned how to walk and thrive in the light. Knowledge is the key. I use my experience to make me stronger. My therapist told me that I'm the strongest person he knows. I could not have done it without him or with my faith in God. I love what you do and how you use this channel as a platform to help so many in need. Thank you.

[@EvelynLawson]

Look up ☝️☝️that handle, he’s got the best tips and helps. I’ve microdosed shrooms for about 6 months now and it has really helped my CPTSD, anxiety and depression and I’ll recommend it for anyone.

[@PlainLola]

I'm one of those who emailed about MedCircle doing a CPTSD series last year and I'm so excited to see that it's finally here! Your KZbin videos are so enormously helpful! However, it saddens me to see that almost all of this content is for subscription-only and not available to those without funds. So many of us with mental health challenges don't have access to life-changing help simply because we can't afford it. I was hoping to see more of the CPTSD content available for all, especially since it's such a massive topic affecting so many in such crucial ways.

[@tessakrumpeltree9563]

Second that. Thanks for speaking up.

[@rhvolmer]

I am so glad to see you are discussing the similarities and differences between CPTSD and BPD. I first heard the term C-PTSD a few years ago on KZbin videos made by Richard Grannon (Spartan Lifecoach). Also, the term is mentioned in a book by Pete Walker, "Complex PTSD: From Surviving to Thriving". Great book After being in therapy at least a dozen different times over the course of my life, beginning in my early twenties to address issues from childhood trauma, marriage to two very narcissistic men and more trauma and counseling during and after, raising four children alone for 12 years with no real emotional support, and holding down a full time job as a scientist, things really began to take a toll when my youngest graduated from high school, menopausal changes hit, and I took a different position at work. Out of all the therapists I saw, there were only a few that really connected with me and helped identify the issues that were showing up again and again. One of those told me in my 1st session that I had PTSD and a few other things I wasn't ready to hear (that I was in an abusive relationship). Many weren't empathetic with C-PTSD symptoms that look like BPD (truly, I didn't want to need therapy on an ongoing basis), but there were times that regulating my emotions was incredibly difficult, especially after unavoidable encounters with my ex-husband in dealing with child support/visitation (always the gas-lighting, blame shifting, etc. common with NPD). I was so happy to stumble upon the KZbin videos in a fit of desperation for answers. It literally changed my life to identify that my symptoms were C-PTSD from being raised in a family with narcissists and then subsequent marital relationships. Knowledge is power! I have healed more in the last 2-3 years than in the last 30, mainly due to the increased information about narcissistic abuse and Chronic PTSD. Lastly, I just want to say thatI have been following your videos for the last 6 months or so and they are fantastic! Very professional, but warm and informative. Keep up the great work! We all need help with our mental health these days. Thank you so much!

[@bananabreadloaf]

This is the first time I’ve heard of cptsd. It makes a lot more sense to me than just ptsd. Because I was physically and mentally abused by my parents from day 1, and I thought the only diagnosis for that was ptsd. But ptsd was missing things that I dealt with. I at one point thought I might be borderline but that didn’t really fit either. cptsd makes so much more sense now that I know about it. Thank you for this video, when I eventually get a therapist again I’ll ask them about it. Hopefully they know what it is, here on the west coast we get a lot of “therapists” who seem to know little to nothing about psychology. Because they don’t get the necessary training, most of them aren’t equipped for even the most well known of mental health issues such as depression or anxiety, and usually aren’t even aware of many of the disorders out there. It’s pretty disheartening when most of my past therapists knew less than me about psychology, and I only study it on my own time out of interest. If you don’t have a good health insurance here you will get filler therapists, just barely passable for being a shrink because there’s more people with mental health issues than trained therapists.

[@JessieHTX]

I know this is an older video, but I want to say thank you for bringing attention to this disorder and it’s differences from PTSD and BPD. I first heard about CPTSD 9 years ago when I was diagnosed with it.

[@isthisshit4real]

The first time I heard about CPTSD was in a psychology class, summer of 2014. I heard it, read the peer reviewed articles and thought, yep, that's me. I paused the video to write this, so haven't gotten to the BPD part. However, I'll say yes, I agree with what has been said so far. I have CPTSD and I am VERY emotionally reactive. I am working SO damn hard on it. My childhood wasn't too bad - I guess - the worst of my trauma happened after I was 18. Multiple sexual assaults over my lifetime and several abusive relationships. I've always been an introvert but really talkative with the people I know. An thoughtful person, opinionated, but never judgmental. That changed after I had enough trauma and developed CPTSD. I became angry and irritable. Defensive, I'm pretty quick to anger (hot headed). I used to be really easy to get along with. Now I want to be alone all the time and I'm TERRIFIED of trusting people. Not afraid of people - I do not TRUST them. My fear is gone. I don't want to get close cuz everyone leaves. Even my husband left - emotional neglect - so I LEFT HIM. It hurts too damn much. I know it's irrational. I know everyone isn't a horrible person. Unfortunately, I keep attracting people who are. My latest ex has BPD. Of course I didn't know that when I met him. BPD and CPSTD. What a disaster. He is mild compared to the abusers I was with before him. Lol My solution is to heal myself, including getting off the meds that are making me crazy and a little paranoid - and work on trying to get a life. I quit work in November because I was so stressed. I am doing a whole lot better now, since I started working on tapering off these meds I'm. 😉

[@ab-st3rv]

you r not alone🙏🏼

[@isthisshit4real]

@@ab-st3rv - Thank you. It is nice to hear, but I am so sorry you are also going thru this. And I'm pretty sure my ex doesn't just have BPD, he's a covert narc. Confirmed it watching Dr. Ramni's other channel. ** sigh ** 💖💪

[@eileenhumes4884]

Youe last two paragraphs described me exactly, I'm tired, I DONT trust anyone, always on guard in public anticipation of people's approach and thinking 10 steps ahead of every which way the "encounter" will go.

[@fluttergirl10]

I first heard about CPTSD from Richard Grannon. Look him up, he's done so much work on the subject and opened my eyes to sooooo much.

[@helenlazenby9458]

I have only just come across these videos. I have CPTSD , and I have always struggled to try to explain what happens to the way I view myself when I am triggered or feeling fragile. These have really helped me in explaining what's happening in my head , and also helping people close to me to identify the difference in when I am OK and the complete personality change and perception of self that occurs when I am not. Thank you for easy to understand explanations for those that don't know what CPTSD is or how it seeps into every aspect of your life x

[@motleygrewe]

This is an excellent explanation and conversation and I'm really grateful it's finally been covered. 👏 For those with CPTSD that weren't directly abused, I want to point out that long-standing medical trauma and repeated loss, especially as a child watching caretakers (parents, grandparents, guardians, etc.) suffer and die from serious illness, compounded by feeling utterly helpless to change the course, can be a valid cause. I have this, and everything covered about CPTSD still applies, but with different triggers. Relationships are still threatening and therefore avoided, especially with people who don't take care of themselves. I feel devastated and devalued when I can't help someone improve their health. So, it's important to remember trauma can have many factors and isn't always straight-forward.

[@JSandwich13]

I first heard about it a few years ago when I was searching for an understanding of my experience. I was diagnosed with C-PTSD earlier this year.

[@littlestbroccoli]

I learned about cptsd in 2016, when I also embarked on a years-long process of growth and inner search that has completely changed my life. It was the beginning of everything, yet most therapists treat it as though the condition is unreal or is just a BPD person trying to manipulate them. We have a long way to go. Keep up the good work guys and yes! Emotional abuse/neglect counts too!

[@ProfFibi]

I found the term cptsd in online support groups discussing it, I moved on thinking I was dealing with ocd, adhd, and a number of other mental health issues. I came full circle back to cptsd and it fit everything I am going through completely.

[@sharonbroderick4048]

i'm glad to see the three of you together again .

[@DevynMckillop]

I heard about it last year, when I was diagnosed with CPTSD!

[@LornaSGal]

Pete Walker's book is very clear in describing CPTSD

[@dansasap]

Thank you so much for those vids. Getting the right diagnosis, the right understanding of your situation, is such an important step for psychological health. I have a pretty terrible history of psychiatric misdiagnosis, mis-treatments (through inadequate drugs or therapies) and of course being unable to explain to others what I feel, or why, or to claim what I need, due to cPTSD. And sadly, those misunderstandings and misconceptions just fuel the PTSD. Recently one more person (who barely knows me) made a comment about my emotional state being ''like BPD'' and the information I found about BPD had me, once again, so confused and worried I lost sleep over it... so this clears it up most definitely for me. And that self knowledge and self understanding is sooooo important to build self confidence. Figuring out how to think and/or talk about yourself is key to move on in life.

[@hugmc]

I heard about it in the last few years. This lady has just just explained my childhood cptsd so simple and understanding way . And I am 59 years old 😀😀😀

[@MarcStLouis-pj7me]

hugh mc nicholl I’m 62 next month and have been working on my c-ptsd / Reactive Attachment Disorder / marijuana use for 6 years now. I’m getting better but progress is slow...and painful - but worth the effort. I’m starting to think about getting work...maybe involving some training.

[@nevaehb.4371]

How often does it happen that a person with C-PTSD ends up in a relationship with a Cluster-B disordered persona? Maybe the "unstable relationship" that often accompines C-PTSD is also a byproduct of a bad choice of partners? I have or had (still have some minor issues but nothing severe) C-PTSD and never had issues with emotional healthy people but people who are somehow on the Cluster-B spectrum absolutely drive me crazy and make me so angry it is unbelievable. Also my C-PTSD gets a lot worse when there are Cluster-B's in my life: I can usually tell there is a Cluster-B around simply by observing my symptoms.

[@isag5681]

Always resonated with such people, because I was soo used to feel smaller than I acually am and just interpret every little detail as important as possible to avoid stress/escalation... it drained out my health, energy, trust in my abilities, ... I've experienced a never ending story of abusive relationships, unfortunately. And I ignored every sign that felt like they kept me from growing. Still trying to figure out who I can trust and where I'm actually save. My perception feels “confused“, like distorted all the time, but by simply watching people's behaviour over time, social situations seems finally more clear to me. I try to see the things as rational as they are, even if I'm still in the overpowered fear mindset. That's how I try to master it. But my question is: can you name a few indications of cluster B-types?

[@nevaehb.4371]

@@isag5681 You mean early warning signs? Yes there are some ...one big red flag is that in the early stage they often idealize you even though they don't know you well. They also use a lot of pity play and have a history of many failed relationships plus usually they have slept with a LOT of people.

[@parsalan7775]

For some victims they have C-PTSD because of their upbringing with someone who would be diagnosed as a Cluster - B disordered personality; for instance a physically abusive father who also has BPD or a histrionic personality disorder/narcissistic personality disorder. This relationship shows up later in the victims life as the victim pursuing that type of relationship due to it feeling familiar and illogically safe all the while pushing away good relationships due to them feeling foreign and dangerous.

[@reeben2273]

All my exes either had NPD, BD or BPD. Scary and finally realise it and why and how to prevent now.

[@hjay26]

This is where i get confused about my BPD diagnosis because nearly every time I have an unstable relationship it's with someone abusive who has their own set of problems. If it's not, usually it's due to alcohol and such... It's like I'm subconsciously sabotaging the relationship out of necessity... I'm just saying, around healthy people those symptoms don't come out, except that I avoid people out of fear.

[@JillianSchleger]

I heard of CPTSD just 2 weeks ago, and this has changed the way I approach healing with myself and my clients. I appreciate your videos! 🙏

[@andreaireland7848]

I heard about it years ago when I was diagnosed with it. I experienced sexual abuse and ongoing emotional abuse my entire childhood and also experienced other traumatic events such as the loss of my younger brother as a teenager and having a near death experience in my 20s due to ruptured miscarriage and a 13 year relationship with a narcissist. I have been working to overcome it and find healing and Dr. Ramani's videos have been invaluable. Thank you so much Dr. Ramani.

[@larryfritz1726]

I've known about cptsd for a couple of years and I love Dr. Ramani🙏💜

[@HASSTYLEPROGRESS]

Great job Medcircle, I was learning more towards the Borderline Personality Disorder diagnosis for one of my patients but it's actually CPTSD.

[@BecomingHaley_]

I heard CPTSD from my therapist that I started seeing in April or may this year. She also said that I have traits of BPD but I may not have the whole BPD…. So I want to think y’all for breaking it down for us that didn’t know what is what. We appreciate it😊

I first heard about it months ago and since then my life has fundamentally changed because my perception and understanding of what's been happening inside me so far has changed - it all finally started to make sense. Now I know I am not High Functioning Borderline nor do I have Asperger's syndrome. It is just Complex PTSD and Alexithymia. Living with it is still very hard but the awareness helped me work on the real problem. I am so grateful to have learnt this. It just shifted everything in my life. I am grateful to all the people out there, psychologists, spiritual teachers and survivors who have helped me on my healing path by sharing their experiences be it personal or observed in patients 🙏.

[@matthewwalker3891]

I spent many years studying psychology at university, and some time working as an RA in the field. I am yet to be convinced that BPD is a valid construct...I think it is also very important to point out the severity of harm that is caused by misdiagnosis of cPTSD with 'BPD'. I have not met one BPD diagnosis that doesn't seem to more perfectly fit a cPTSD framework. Is BPD even real? Why does the DSM continue to fail to recognize cPTSD as a disorder? I don't blame anyone for not trusting this field...It has made so many serious errors throughout recent history and no attempt whatsoever to accept responsibility for those errors, nor to attempt making right the harm that has been done. I'm happy to see some discussion happening around this issue, keep up the good work. Thank you :)

[@bettyjeanpetrinovich7373]

First time I have heard of CPTSD, and am thankful for your discussion.

[@anitramoore9514]

Thank you for clearing up the suicide bs on C-PTSD and now tell them we don’t want to hurt others!!!! We have been hurt!!!!!!

[@caylenhartwell3280]

This is the first time I have heard of CPTSD, even though this describes what I experienced. Thank you for covering this subject! 🙏🏻 As we learn more, we gain more distinction about the human experience. 😊

[@SkullKing11841]

This video really helped me with knowing the difference between my BPD and CPTSD.

[@linali6428]

Well... I am diagnosed with C-ptsd since a few years back. I think it's good you are talking about it.. It is needed.. Thank You 💜💛💚💙

[@priancavail6520]

This is the first time I am hearing and learning about CPTSD. Thank you Dr Ramani!

[@TheJelenadj]

I herd about it yesterday. BPD is more known. Now I have better perception of disorders associated with long term violence. I think this is very important to hear anyone who grew up in toxic families. Thanks. 😊

[@dianneraymont5971]

As a Dr and Board Certified physician in Lifestyle Medicine - I want to thank you and Dr Ramani for making these clear series - which are helpful not just for patients but also for physicians who can struggle to differentiate. Myself I was assaulted last year and developed PTSD - this led me into a much deeper effort to understand/update my understanding on mental health and to also seek options that are less focused on medications and more on the right therapy. Having had a great many patients react to medications and get benefit from lifestyle changes; getting an understanding of their condition and for loved ones/circle is greatly healing in itself - these sessions go a long way and hopefully encourage more to seek a skilled psychologist to assist this process.

[@aoifeboland8100]

I commend your openess in sharing your lived expierence and utilising it as a lens to view your clinical interventions. Massive authenticity and holds hope for so many others.

[@wadepatton2433]

Dr. Romani!!!! THIS IS WHAT good audio sounds like, please find an engineer to help you with your home-productions. Thanks.

[@TruFlyFox]

Her videos are the only ones I watch with poor audio because I love her so much. Her messages are so important! Better audio would help my enjoyment though.

[@de_cre_vi]

I heard about C-PTSD maybe a couple of years ago. It's awful that this isn't a well-known condition and in the DSM. I have just learned that this is my diagnosis, and just finally getting an accurate diagnosis for it was completely life-changing for me. I'd previously been diagnosed with Depression and Bipolar, neither of which were truly accurate although the trauma work I've done to treat my Depression has well equipped me for treating my C-PTSD. Thank you for raising awareness of it!!!

[@carolynkim1852]

I was diagnosed with cptsd maybe 6+ years ago after having my first child. This video provided so much affirming info. Thanh you so much for sharing.

[@kristalcampbell3650]

I learned about it when a friend was diagnosed and she suggested I might relate a little toooo much because we had similar experiences and childhoods. She wasn't wrong 😅

[@bethocdunwitty6641]

I learned about it when I got diagnosed Borderline. I was already diagnosed PTSD and Bi-Polar the 2 years prior. To me, it always FELT like more was wrong so the BPD made sense, but I never had suicidal tendencies, cutting, or other forms of self harm save alcohol addiction. CPTSD makes more sense to me.

[@sanamsitaram7940]

I appreciate this so much. I've been confused for a while as to whether I had BPD or CPTSD for a while as I was diagnosed with both by different professionals. I now understand why the BPD diagnosis might make more sense.

[@bernadetteplanting2605]

Thank you! I've never heard of CPTSD before, but I finally know where to begin to heal! There are so many things I would like to share with Dr. Ramani. So many things I'd like to share with someone who might be able to turn into help for others. There have been a lot of experiences over the past 63 years