Boston "Weekday" Talk show 1982 "Punk Rock" episode

[@tedfells]

I'm tearing up this is beautiful

[@mindmesh7566]

What the interviewer fils to understand is that no one can truly “change” anyone else. We have a society that simply wants to control EVERYONE and all of our decisions - it did back then too as I grew up during that time. We can only change ourselves....But by doing that we CAN change how we interact with others Nd participate in this culture - which can affect others in how they RESPOND to us.. which can, sometimes, lead to change or leading to others deciding to change on their own...for the better. It needs to be made plain to all that the 1960’s-early 70’s scared the crap out of the leaders of our world. They have - along with their media cohorts and elite benefactors of feudal industries- worked tirelessly to prevent anything close to that happening again. They’ve worked really hard to make sure there is no alternative to control and the dog collar.

[@piotrb8434]

The first person speaking is definitely not "Christine Steele" and the second person is definitely Dave Smalley from DYS, not some "Rick Andrews".

[@TexasTakeover0]

good stuff

[@0mega.mechan1c.]

13:11 they played "Slam" by Decadence! Who's the 2nd song, the Freeze?

[@m.i.8390]

The Freeze-Broken bones

[@mindmesh7566]

Amazing how one person in a scene in London, England - Sid Vicious - was STILL the “symbol” of all punks worldwide…In 1982!!!!??!!?$@£!!!. Sid was a tragedy masquerading as a total accident. He was a young guy who was a fan in a scene that eventually found himself part of something bigger than himself and who had, sadly, addiction problems among most likely a myriad of issues. Violence, drugs, etc...???…You could say that about the 60’s into the 70’s as well. This show is all about “looks” and how image perception is so much more important than the perceptions and thoughts and ideas one possesses in their mind. Ironically, in just another couple years, the punk crowd permanently split in the Boston area and you were either SSD/Slpap Shot or you were getting jumped by a group of skins. I knew a guy trying to go to art school in Boston in the late 80’s that got attacked for wearing a Misfits patch next to a Cro-Mags one. Since the beginning of rock and roll, music became the last bastion of individualism for the quirky and the young to find refuge against control.

[@piotrb8434]

Sid is the symbol of punk to this very day. The original punk scene died in 1979. The guys and girls in this movie were never part of the original 70's punk scene. In the 80's they had their own scene, which was very different from the 70's punk scene. Boston bands like SSD, DYS, Negative FX, The FU's, Impact Unit, Jerry's Kids played music that sounded nothing like Ramones, The Sex Pistols, The Clash, Sham 69, The Damned, The Vibrators, Cockney Rejects, The Dickies, The Adolescents, Bad Religion. In 1982 bands like The Sex Pistols and The Clash were yesterday's news. At the same time bands like Negative FX and DYS in Boston, Minor Threat in Washington DC, Agnostic Front and Cause For Alarm in New York were creating something new, something different, pushing the boundaries of speed and extremity in music. Not only the music was different, the image, the message, the attitude was completely different. Guys like Choke Kelly, Dave Smalley and Ian MacKaye were the polar opposite of guys like Sid Vicious, Darby Crash and Stiv Bators. And music, especially the subculture oriented music, was never a bastion of individualism. It was all about belonging to a group.

[@mindmesh7566]

@@piotrb8434 ……It def died in Britain but the image of British punk had been thoroughly co-opted by media and marketing worldwide. Just as years before when the Ramones ravaged many cities with their torn jeans, striped or plane t-shirts, and black leather jackets laid the foundation for the lines of …………Billy Joel - a la Glass Houses!!! Def by 83’ the punk landscape changed in the wake of the LA punk sphere of X, The Germs, early Black Flag, and more. In Britain though, actually, a band erupted in the underground in the ashes of the Pistols: Discharge. More metallic and with a darker musical urgency not looking for riffolog as even the Pistols attempted at aping from the Stooges before them. Yeah I grew up just south of Bean-town and remember Boston hardcore very well unfortunately. In those days you couldn’t wear a Misfits beside a Cro-Mags patch unless 4 spiked knuckles were appetizing to you? The scenes were divided and at war…literally. I personally was never a Sid or huge Pistols purveyor back in the 80’s. But they def changed the Ramones look and sound indefinitely - inspiring the future punks, hardcore, and future anarchy-punks, and crusts to seek new extremes and go further. And now here we are in 2021 and I see youngins downing a mosh-Nash of scene styles trying to ape them all. And still see Sid doppelgängers from time to time out in the west coast and on occasion in the Northeast - I’ve lived in Somerville, Mass for 20 some odd years.……Personally, I think now is the ripe time for something to come about.

[@piotrb8434]

@@mindmesh7566 The rotting corpse of punk became a fertile breeding ground from which things like goth rock, oi! music, hardcore, new wave and post-punk sprung out. It seems like the spirit of Sid Vicious is eternal. It just comes back again and again in new incarnations. Time passes by, trends change but Sid is still here with us.

[@mindmesh7566]

@@piotrb8434 …True indeed!! The spirit of rebellious seeking never dies man!!! I don’t think it is about “reinventing the wheel” as it is reinventing ourselves. The straight edgers thought of most of the early guys as “nihilistic junkies” - the metal and underground crowd of my youth in the 80’s ironically thought the same of Jim Morrison (which was totally far from the truth of that man). One thing is for sure……the human race needs something bad…………and fast!! Noisy, loud, and fast!!

[@JosephMartin-sj3kz]

What’s w/all these book length responses. Simply, Sid was a directionless, lost, ill prepared for life, waste of time. That’s NOT a bad thing! He was a PUNK. By definition, “Sid Vicious” was a punk. No more. That’s it. 🤔😐

[@tonysoprano7897]

That is sweet

[@viiktorshandor4155]

I'm so glad I made it through the 80s and didn't have to fight for nuclear bombs😂

[@barelymanilow7079]

Favorite band in the Boston scene were The Proletariat. Don't like Commies, but I liked their tunes anyhow.

[@piotrb8434]

They and The Freeze were the worst, the most boring and unoriginal. SSD, DYS, Negative FX, The FU's, early Gang Green, Jerry's Kids, these bands rule.

[@vampoftrance]

Gang Green. SS Decontrol, The Proletariat and The Dead Kennedys

[@JosephMartin-sj3kz]

SSD. That’s all. 👍

[@EddieC3336]

​@@piotrb8434SSD, Springa!!

[@EddieC3336]

Dead Boys.

[@Malegys]

Is that Dave Smalley around the 3 minute mark?

[@stonefilmsnyc]

Read the info for the clip.

[@Malegys]

@@stonefilmsnyc Cheers, Big ears :)

[@hankgege2199]

that sucks Dave Smalley is a right winger now

[@michaelhunziker7287]

@@hankgege2199 Better than being a free loading Socialist or murderous Communist. Keep that shit over seas.

[@TWM2975]

@@hankgege2199, have a conversation with Dave. You'd be surprised what you learn about him just by talking to him. He's as sweet and honest as they come.

[@coreplusnibiruembreve8987]

Só vim parar aqui porque estou aprendendo inglês.

[@anthonydidomenico1181]

SID/TED WOULD be someone you find in hot topic now a days yelling "WHERE'S THE MARILYN MASON SHIRT?"

[@vampoftrance]

I was a hardcore (hahdcore) mod.

[@savageoldman]

the fashion part with the models was cringy as fuck even for back then lol

[@maxshea1829]

I remember. There was a lot of violence in punk. It was mostly internecine social violence. That's why I got out of it. Punk was essentially a marketing scheme. I saw no group within the movement that could grow beyond the level of a quarreling high school clique.

[@rocknroll_jezus9233]

Really? Not black flag?

[@erikmuniz6031]

Bunch of posers

[@devinpeirce7152]

Gay

[@BradThePitts]

If this is gay, what's your opinion of Wham and Boy George?

[@hjibakkkihjibakkki6408]

what are these metrosexual avatars on punk videos