Phil Donahue Punk Show 1984 Part 1

[@KellyTGuitar]

I had Daryth as my 7th grade math teacher. She was super awesome and so full of energy and humour. The biggest Foos Fighter fan I've ever met. :-)) she seemed to be doing well the last time I saw her

[@PandoraJonesmodel]

I was 17 in '84 and looked like this lol

[@erichramone7812]

No kidding? That’s super cool. I guess the mom was correct when she said that Daryth was very bright / smart.

[@Grtdprsn_herewecome]

very cool to share.. I'm glad she became a good person and role model. the name too .. daryth.. that's a good punk girl name

[@marooqi]

thats cool, she did conform then. lol

[@farrington7971]

I knew that chick

[@flawedplan]

This is what they mean by groundbreaking. He knew exactly where to go and what punk rock was about, deftly steering into politics, moral panic and individualism at every opportunity, making no one wrong. Long may he rule. Phil Donahue 8/18/2024

[@journeylvr]

❤️

[@robertschrader]

These old people look crazier than their "punk" kids lol

[@PandoraJonesmodel]

Back in the day people were SO judgmental. "THat's why you work in shipping"..the way she was dressed is normal today. She could get a job anywhere now, dressed like that. We Gen Xer's pioneered everything and opened the door for more diversity :)

[@raelockletree3858]

@@PandoraJonesmodel Thank you🥺😳

[@hitakkjismith3115]

@@PandoraJonesmodel lol al jourgensen born 1958 the chick is probably generation jones or a boomer too boomers pioneered punk not generation x ( i am generation x )

[@karenh2945]

The tail-end boomers

[@quinnmccully4689]

Mrs. Morrissey has almost the same haircut as Morrissey.

[@tonygunn6889]

Reality check

[@prokesuk]

These people are very tame even for the time this was aired. Al Jourgensen was still doing synth pop at this time. If the audience could have seen what Al ended up looking like they probably would have shit themselves. And Al probably would have, too.

[@peterhopkins4602]

Lol,so true.....

[@marooqi]

Never trust a junkie

[@stantheman666999]

True but still the fact that the general society had such a hard time accepting these “tamer” punks is still very interesting to see how much things have changed

[@heycheckthisout2565]

Al would later go on to shit himself, many times.

[@karenh2945]

My mouth dropped open after the intro of Al - because nobody was clapping or cheering at all! My favorite group at age 20 when I was in college. I am so glad my parents didn’t say anything so negative about me back then! It’s crazy how these parents are acting like their kids are disgracing their entire family name or something🙄

[@lopusa1]

Beautiful Daryth Morrissey (my sis in law) is now a dedicated and highly regarded teacher.

[@Tracymmo]

That's what I was wondering. She didn't look odd for the time, just a teeny bit edgier than anyone who wasn't living in Kevin Bacon's town in Footloose. It's the mother who scares me.

[@duanerichardson1]

I would be more shocked if my daughter came home looking like Anne Morrisey.

[@erichramone7812]

Duane Richardson that lady was a monster. Hands down

[@420dAn]

Yeah looks like 1950's fashion lol!!

[@livingintheforest3963]

😂😂

[@RichV20]

The mom is looking like she's getting ready for Drag Queen Story Hour

[@Exitof99]

And born from this day, one of my favorite Ministry songs, 'Everyday is Halloween'. It seems that everyone here, from the little old lady bashing Cat to the 17 year-old played a part in forming the lyrics. Just like in the song, Al asks, "Why can I live a life for me?" paraphrasing that 17-year old. Seems like he was carefully listening and planning his next song rather than participating in the show.

[@marsoblivi0n945]

Thank goodness he did

[@RichV20]

There was a 1985ish interview where Al was bashing Donahue and that Donahue started to cut him off. I guess this was it.

[@AsTheWheelsTurn]

crazy how stuffy and rude people were at that time towards anyone doing anything different.

[@joshburns4611]

Hmm! That sounds familiar. Wait a minute. That's because it's still like that.

[@leoalex2344]

If you were a teenage punker in the early 80s you often would get threatend with violence just walking down the street, mostly by older guys with long hair.

[@peterhopkins4602]

Given the climate not all that crazy....

[@marooqi]

soccer moms have purple hair and now there is nothing left to do to be shocking: except I guess trans?

[@warchild5885]

Never disobey the criminal media narrative

[@andrewpiccirilli2580]

Oh no, my daughter is punk! Our family might need to break apart! *Sighs*

[@cjparrott]

Counselling is required

[@IKMSful]

I bet that Al Jourgensen probably became a nobody 10 years after this episode. Right now he's probably ding a danging along a dang along ling long

[@neurosentience5150]

M.A.D.A. 😂 exactly!

[@peacemusic6512]

Thank you!! I'm LMFAO reading your reply, just about to put on the CD and give a good listen!! ;D

[@SasaWest69]

These guys are so mild compared to some of the tattooed and pierced people out there today.

[@Banksy-q9l]

Lol do you even talk to tattooed or pierced people?

[@Starlababy]

The daughter looks more stylish than her creepy looking mother.

[@shanasapp6212]

Same thing I was thinking.

[@rockabillychola7654]

It's the mom that looks ridiculous.

[@Vex_J]

"All of this has happened before and will happen again."

[@lipglos1]

counceling, and breaking up the family for a style of dress and music?

[@SyntheticFilms]

For real?? This is better than a SNL skit! Al Jourgensen "Everyday is Halloween"

[@emmaduncan2991]

When I saw this originally, I always thought "Serena Dank" was a great name for a band.

[@_ms.mannequin_]

The first lady would "feel more loose wearing a pair of shorts." I'm going to start saying that from now on. It sounds so nerdy that it's hilarious.

[@clumpft]

This is fucking hilarious, I mean really. The daughter on that panel is way more conservative looking than her mother. Her mum is a certified freak! I mean look at her fucking hair! And that blue sweater? She's the mum of Bevis and Butthead hands down, hahaha.

[@shawn170204]

lmfao!! If this is freaking them out imagine the parents today with their kids and the internet lol...

[@dothesenate2745]

Al jourgensen \m/!

[@colinives13]

I hate being a youth of today, why couldn't I live in this time...

[@jaysonc9690]

I feel ya man

[@DTD110865]

I was a kid in that day. It's not as fantastic as you might think.

[@chesspunk489]

DTD110865 it was a shit ton better then than what it is today. Could you imagine growing up in a time where there is barely any good new music, movies, or art? It's all about social media, dubstep, and mumble rap these days.

[@DH-fu7bx]

Me too. I feel you...

[@WanderingBrushArt]

@@DTD110865 Stfu, You could actually tell a joke back then and someone saying Im offended made people laugh even harder.

[@Dementia1680]

the people in the beginning have a badass last name 'Morrissey'

[@Hellwyck]

Stephen Morrissey's a prick.

[@mzpinkeyez407]

Morrissey's a twat!! He's the reason I eat meat?! 🤣😂

[@brendanguinn4427]

Punk rock isn't a fucking fashion statement. Does Jello Biafra dress like that? Does Rollins? No, because that isn't even the fucking point, it was supposed to be about individuality, but look at all the people who dress and act exactly alike.

[@sarzbeth]

I useta run into Al on the drag in Austin in the 90s. Hes rad....I met his daughter in my 20s...shes a nice girl. Imagine that

[@JMillion]

It was at this time that Phil Donahue introduced us to the fact that Punks were nice people pretending to be bad and Hippies are bad people pretending to be good. RIP Phil Donahue!

[@Weirdman920]

Yes there is a way to rebel. Remind people that badass music is always out there, old and new.

[@variousJnames]

I thought her mom was wearing a costume at first 😂

[@DarkSifu]

Setting the future by looking at the past. They do indeed look modern, Makes you wonder how many of those beliefs shaped the world for the better and the worse today.

[@RobynGermaine]

I love this hilarious show!! Funny how the parents and society acts, and see how all the style is totally accepted these days!!! Haha!!

[@Mytube777]

My god Al was young here. I met him when he was the DJ at the Octogon, which was down the street from Neos. Glad I moved away to LA after HS though.

[@journeylvr]

Wish NBC would release episodes of Phil’s show. I didn’t miss watching one show!!

[@Tron76]

Al fn Jourgenson. No way. Might have been the big changing point to their career

[@ggforeigner]

This is so funny ... 'punkers' is that a word ?? And Al in pink, how sweet !!! LMAO ;}

[@erichramone7812]

ggforeigner that definitely was / is a word. In the 80s and and 90s the could be call punk rockers or punkers, or even just a punk. I remember that’s how we would describe certain kids at school, at the time as Punkers or say someone was punk. Although after the 90s that word mostly died out

[@robertsilverman7032]

Whoa..... I remember seeing this when it aired. I have told people over the years about this P.O.P. episode, and they just kinda stare at me blankly. I wondered if I had imagined it. THIS IS FUCKING AMAZING. Thank you. P.S. Fred Rated for President.

[@morganjacobs5643]

Robert Silverman now daryth is a teacher, the best one I have ever had

[@laggywaggy]

I probably saw this back in the '80s but Phil's ignorance angers me just as much now as it did then. How was the punk rock movement any more shocking than the greasers of the '50s or the hippie movement?

[@beneyboo3800]

Why would you assign today’s culture toward someone of a far far different era? I’m as liberal as it gets today. Incredibly progressive. I remember telling friends in the 90s how if they got a tattoo everyone would confuse them for a criminal. Most thought like this at the time. Can’t parallel today’s culture to yesteryear

[@livingintheforest3963]

I keep thinking the same thing it’s just like the 50s.

[@ladyboywonder9139]

WOW! You’re so WRONG ! He’s an advocate

[@toowaker37]

The UK punks weren't straight edge, they were bunch of drunk junkies. I grew up in that era, the British scene was stupid, it didn't fit with the American scene. I'm 40 years old and that era shaped my world view to this day, I grew up that way and I still think this world is totally jacked up....many times worst then it was in the 80's, we didn't know how good we had it back then.

[@thinknegative1]

that old guy is a boss

[@scenepointnazi]

That girl's mom is Peggy Hill!

[@BacisFriends]

There is something so genuinely sweet about this. Seeing three generations of people who "rebelled" in the 50s, 60s, and 70s pretending to be freaked out by people "rebelling" in the 80s, while people in the 21st century have NO WAY TO REBEL BECAUSE IT'S ALL BEEN DONE BEFORE. Isn't "Alain" Jourgenson precious here? You just know Donahue's Costume and Makeup worked on him for hours, and he looks like he did five or six lines in the can and then thought, "Aw, fuck it, I'm gonna be famous..."

[@SweetSweetWaldo]

Serena Dank -- "A danky old maid on Phil Donahue confirmed our fears; it's that devil-rcok music you and your friends listen to!" -- Jello Biafra

[@jaykapolka6111]

I think Al looked cool here. I don't believe he was forced to do anything regardless of what he says

[@jomama5186]

I miss these days sooooooo much !!!

[@rivotrich7]

This could easily be a SNL Skit :)

[@milascave2]

It's so funny how upset folks were by this back then, instead of just saying "well, every generation dresses differently." I remember back in the seventies, you literaly got beatnen up for dressing punk, and now people hardly notice.

[@sharonneedlesfreedomsnotfr813]

Listening to that poor mother " mrs. morrissey " speak about the hardships brought upon the family due to their daughters outrageous dress code...absolutely heartbreaking!!

[@aldofhister6859]

I guarantee she went to church and lit a candle every day

[@dougie1968]

Mrs. Morrissey should've mentioned her son was in a band called The Smiths. 😁

[@karenh2945]

😂😂

[@Gildedbutterfly1976]

This was before the days of today of mass posers. No one stands for anything anymore. Chris Brown was wearing a punk leather jacket need I say more. I miss the 80's!! Wish I could take a time machine back.

[@chetrok1]

Fuck today its bcuz not being cliche is cliche.. I always thought punk wasn't fashion it was just about being yourself and not giving a single fuck about making some bs impression

[@arianrhodhyde7482]

Not a fun time to be alive, though. Music was better but what it was responding too was, somehow, worse than what we have to deal with today.

[@MilesDeighton1]

Going back won't do anything. This has always happened. A good number of hippies grew up to be social conservatives / evangelical christians because they were posers, they joined a movement for self gratification (and probably left it for the same reason), not out of concern for people or issues. John Lennon verbally abused his son and by accounts, probably beat his wife. People who have no right to espouse certain ideas always have. People have always hijacked movements without actually appreciating their cause.

[@t045tygh05t]

YEAH BACK WHEN I WAS A KID AND COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, THOSE ARE THE ONES WHO WERE ACTUALLY POWERFUL everyone says the same shit about their own influential generation, honey. your mom misses the days when she could really let loose with that beatles record. it's whatever. nobody's seen real cultural death. yet.

[@martymcfly5434]

Time Circuits on... Flux capacitor fluxing....

[@HughKAyers]

"A danky old maid on Phil Donahue confirmed our fears; it's that devil-rcok music you and your friends listen to!" (JB)

[@IamNeferast]

The guy in the audience was a bouncer at NEO; which is one of Chicago's oldest PUNK nightclubs. The other punk clubs are EXIT and Lucky Number. All 3 have been favorite hangouts of mine since 1990.

[@58hollyh]

This actually aired in 1982, not 1984. I watched it when it first aired in 1982. I am positive it was 1982 because my brother held a punk rock concert w/ a bunch of bands on my parent;s property summer of 1982. Coincidentally, that show aired and we all sat around watching it. It had to be 1982

[@VaultMasterDBT]

The copyright at the end says 1984. Perhaps Donahue did an earlier show on punks in '82?

[@germpore]

That's entirely possible, because Phil Donahue mentions having had the Parents of Punkers lady on before. And I remember seeing it in the *early* 80s too, and I remember the audience being a good deal more hostile. I think punk was *a little* less shocking to mainstream America by '84.

[@DH-fu7bx]

It must be ‘84 because Al Jourgensen made his first Ministry record in ‘83

[@beatthecrowd001]

"it almost broke up my family we went to counseling" get tha fuuuuuuuuuckk out here bro

[@themadmattster9647]

Donahue actually has my respect. Many of the other hosts don’t. Donahue got fired from MSNBC for opposing the war in Iraq

[@xnice1]

Serena Dank has to be the most punk rock nom de plume I've ever heard.

[@HotaruKara]

Wow, this was exactly 30 years ago, these young people here would be in their 50's now, grandparents lol,

[@beneyboo3800]

Huh? Good grief. People in their 50s are not typically grandparents. Many may be but they are outliers. Heck most people in 2021 are adopting or having their first child in their 50s

[@HotaruKara]

@@beneyboo3800 There is a comma between people in their 50's and grandparents. They are separate.

[@eminasusak3168]

It’s exactly 40 years now lol.

[@doyalg]

that girl said "if everyday is Halloween would be great". Wonder if Al took that and made the Ministry song Everyday is Halloween? crazy

[@akatripclaymore.9679]

Jesus built my hot rod, that is Awesome! He was a new waver...

[@toowaker37]

The difference was that we were a more honest society back then. Today's people are very politically correct. I grew up in this era I was born in '73, I grew up on a steady die of punk music, my head shaved to the skin back in a time when that was really considered weird. We had a lot of dysfunction back then, but times were still far better back then before the internet and the mass brainwashing of society.

[@bradkingsland6283]

Typical press 4 years late on the subject

[@adrianmixit1998]

90% of the guests on Donahue have made it. Success.

[@tenkins]

Thumbs up for Miss Morrisey's old sense of fashion.

[@davidellis5141]

Phil seems very ⬛ in this interview.

[@mph1ish]

"Is this a political statement?" "You do this for political reasons?" Calm down, Phil.

[@ozfactor]

Anddd the biggest punchline of all... is that the "then" mothers of these "punks" love their Lady Gaga/ Rihanna smitten grandchildren today, like right now... As we live, like nothing ever happened :)) Poetic justice

[@RiceNGravy]

Uncle Al!

[@failedcivilization8683]

Now available on Bandcamp! Failed Civilization [EP] Work=Time consumed by Darkness

[@YooTuba]

It's kind of amusing that Al Jourgensen from Ministry is held up as being a "punk" when Ministry was actually more of a post-punk industrial dance band, sort of "pre-goth" rather than punk. In those days it all got lumped in together a lot.

[@marcello728]

I grew up playing music in my local punk seen I was always a fan of the music and I also consider myself a conservative but I'm open minded and try to understand the perspectives of people. But I never had a Mohawk, I didn't dye my hair a certain color I wore band shirts and loved the music. I think Punk Rock music can be appreciated by real people because the music is raw and wasn't corrupted by the mainstream and the radio... I was never into music on the radio or looking and acting like everybody else and I was always brought up to be my own person.. I think the music attracts people for different reasons but I don't think this people should be looked down upon because they don't want to act like everybody else.

[@thepunkrockreview]

That lady Anne Morrissey was INSANE! Her daughter didnt even look odd.... she was being super dramatic

[@rivotrich7]

I think it is sad how some of the audience are judging and saying bad things about the "punkers" just because of the way they look/are dressed.

[@killbabykill35]

Hahaha... I have been a part of the punk community for over 25 years. Even with all that time, it doesn't change that the community, as a whole, is largely built upon youth who, due to age and limited life experience, are ignorant and idealistic. Even more, despite the verbal claims, their quest to 'not conform' is traveled within a conflicting quest to conform to a completely different norm. THEY ARE ALL SO DIFFERENT, BUT ALL SO ALIKE. No harm is done though. Kids being kids.

[@lecagot2]

I could also put Skrewdriver, Fortress and a few other old time Punk bands in the extreme right category.

[@marblesthecat3861]

All of these kids are in their 50s now.....

[@hitakkjismith3115]

or older

[@lenpey]

1984? What took you so long, Phil?

[@powrxplor69]

haha I remember watching this back then, I don't think i'd turned 15 yet & was home skipping school lol

[@praisegod3768]

This is hilarious!! If only kids today were this "bad" :)! If ONLY today's kids were as unique and non-comformist! And I would LOVE to see an update on these kids, who are now middle aged!

[@witchflowers6942]

some kids still are. remember that the majority of kids in every generation are conformist. Thats why alternative kids are called “alternative”.

[@flowdreas5351]

Seeing Al Jourgensen, the godfather of industrial metal and a poster child of rock star decadence, on an 80’s episode of Donahue about “punkers” despite making synth pop new wave music, dressed up like a lady, during a musical time period that only lasted about 2-3 years which he later described as “an abortion”, has got to be THE MOST RANDOM thing I’ve ever seen in my life.

[@ktiitfa2491]

lol were you not around ?

[@ilovegoth]

Always a fun watch!

[@YooTuba]

@67psych Phil Donahue's show was pitched at middle-class people who live in the American Midwest and South and other places that don't exactly have their finger on the pulse of culture. It took until the early 80s for people outside of NYC/ LA/ Boston/ Chicago to start becoming aware of punk, and at first it was just a small cadre of "hip" music and art types outside the major cities who got into it. The media was afraid of showing punk because it was scary and punks swore on air...

[@0xTrish]

Phil brought me up. If I had let my parents do it… 😂

[@Weirdman920]

Probably not because Flashback came out when Al was either only dating or had just married Patty.

[@Hellwyck]

"I'm myself but I don't let it affect others". No... you've got it all wrong: The punks don't let it affect other people, other people let it affect other people by choosing to be offended.

[@kingofthecatnap6246]

Ministry is still cool!

[@drums4b]

Punk has never been about fashion but attitude.

[@YooTuba]

Also amusing that the punks' style of dress is talked about so much when these outfits and looks are incredibly tame even by 1984 standards, and by the end of the 80s pretty much everybody at the local mall dressed like that, maybe minus the two-tone hair.

[@CFHMetalHeadCFH]

Right on Man! I'll check the vocal cover out!

[@heyjudette]

I LOVE that older "punker" in the audience.

[@thepunkrockreview]

That lady said if she was in shorts, she wouldn't be as proper... i felt bad for her. She seemed brainwashed

[@newwavepop]

i was only 12 in 84 if would be a few more years before i was hanging out, but what i always hated about these shows was everyone trying to explain themselves. i was always like its very simple, i like it. i am not rebelling, i am not making a statement, its nothing political, im not doing it for attention. i like how it looks i like ho it sounds and it really is that simple, most of the people in the scene i can take or leave just like with any other people, any scene any subculture has a small handful of people that are actually the really cool really creative and interesting people. then you have loads and loads of people that are just there and regardless of how they are dressed they are not very interesting, i dressed and looked and hung out with certain cliques but the people i really liked were often divided up into various cliques and scenes. because the interesting people and loyal people are the friends you really want regardless of their jacket or boots. the best times i had in my life were in my teens and twenties hanging out at the local goth and punk clubs, all dressed up and feeling cool, but like i said the worst part about the scene was most of the other people there. back in the 80s when i started hanging out i was like 16 years old and i was 6'5" ad dressed wild but i always considered myself a conservative person. and i am hanging out in a punk and goth scene where everyone is ultra liberal but then i go hangout and they are all just Catty and Judgmental and Gossipy, always just trashing each other behind their backs. they were actually very prude and always slut shaming some girl they dont like and things like that, so i just never liked or got along with most of them. this whole idea of joining a tribe and everyone around you now are cool and have your same interests and thoughts is not true. dont get me wrong i had and have and am aware that i too can be completely elitist and judgmental, but i just found lot of people in the scene very unlikable just like with any other group of people. and at the heart the more any subculture grows the more it becomes bloated with people that are not the innovators, the people that are bot the creative or interesting people. and the next thing that happens is those scenes keep going and growing but those creative and interesting people that started it soon move on to something new and then they are being called posers for leaving the scene, by the people that FOLLOWED them into the scene in the first place.

[@Guy-lo3ld]

I was a punk/goth in the mid eighties. I remembered people use to be easily shocked by punk/goth clothing. I don't think I could tolerate today the amount of verbal abuse and obnoxious comments I use to receive walking down the street. 😂

[@ericarose5242]

That blonde chick, the one with the heavily teased gold. I want her! To bad she's like my mom's age now. Why are these old people giving these now old people shit about their clothes. It's the same thing in every generation chill old guys.

[@HotaruKara]

8:30 The old woman looks so ignorant there, shows no empathy, but more like she's dumbfounded to think of them a human beings, not looking at someone at how he or she are on the inside, but only the outside matters, only the appearances matter. Appearances can be deceiving, if you're wearing a suit that doesn't mean you're not a serial killer, take for example Ted Bundy, he was a charming guy, he wore suits, but he was a serial killer. So what do we conclude from this? Never judge a book by its cover, and don't judge so you wouldn't be judged. From this preconceived judgement stems the issue of racism as well, the fear of the unknown.

[@Sluj666]

I really don't understand why your comment didn't get any likes. You took the words out of my mouth.

[@HotaruKara]

@@Sluj666 thanks 👍

[@monsterclosetcom]

Isn't it funny how now the punk girl on stage looks modern and normal, while the mother looks strange and kitsch?

[@K1LLJ0Y101101]

"I went bananas"

[@damnyankeefl]

the old lady wearing sunglasses indoors shouldn't be talking hahaha

[@floriandurre4953]

8.50 and here is Al's everyday is halloween. Listen to the girl

[@YooTuba]

@louiscfc93 As a general point I agree with you. However, as a matter of just describing musical genres, no one has ever categorized Bad Brains or Clash as anything other than punk. Ministry and Al definitely went off in a different musical direction, more of a post-punk thing like Cure, Nine Inch Nails, etc.

[@Crimeyfied]

"I feel more comfortable this way... I work in downtown Chicago, I'd feel a lot sillier running around in a suit..." Winning the debate, 101

[@Syllacrostics]

Daryth is a middle-school science teacher these days

[@Weirdman920]

His ex-wife says he was on because they lied/gave the wrong impression about what the segment would be about.

[@aWhimTested]

i miss EXIT... even if i did always wake up in my parked car around the corner on throop at 6 30 am the next day..