Boxing vs MMA: John Fury and Dan Hardy debate

Ahead of Jake Paul versus Tyron Woodley this weekend on BT Sport Box Office, boxing icon John Fury goes up against UFC stalwart Dan Hardy in the ultimate debate: boxing vs MMA.
Which sport is more dangerous? Which is more skilful? What does the involvement of KZbinrs say about the state of boxing? Why do UFC fighters earn so much less than boxers?
The pair grapple with these highly contentious issues and more in this epic discussion.
John Fury was also asked how his son Tyson Fury would fare in the UFC, should he one day choose to move into MMA.
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[@Sam-ng3of]

Like many, I started of as a big boxing fan and I think that's because of how much media coverage boxing gets. But then I discovered MMA and questioned why I was only interested in boxing which has such a limited area to work with (head to above belt and only using hands) when a real fight in the street would use the entire body. Don't get me wrong, WITHIN that limited area, boxing is SUPER TECHNICAL but for me MMA is more dynamic with all the arts working in fluid synchrony (Muay Thai to boxing to wrestling to BJJ) and the only reason it isn't as popular as boxing is because its so new. With more stars and more media coverage it will continue growing and will become massive.

[@BoabyGeorge]

paddy the baddy pimblet is very marketable

[@Abdi-libaax]

No mcgregor copied mayweather not fury, his father tried it

[@emmanuelawosusi3276]

love both

[@Priceluked]

It's almost unnerving how much John and Tyson sound like the same person.

[@philthyw]

It’s mad how they look alike too, almost like they’re father and son or something

[@xviZzioNsX]

@@philthyw and they’re inbred like not to be a dickhead but it’s true

[@axelstone3131]

They are the same person.

[@harveydale5347]

Even Tommy has the same twang

[@JamieReynolds89]

@@xviZzioNsX you sound like a 40 year old who acts like a 15 year old.

[@Mstarfracture]

Love John’s honesty and respect towards MMA, something a lot of hardcore boxing personalities lack.

[@Sam-ng3of]

Only reason MMA isn't more popular is because of how new it is. Boxing has had a 200 year head start. I enjoy both.

[@MikeyLee559]

Actually I see alot more mma fans hating boxing. I'm a boxing fans first but since the like 2006 I've been a mma fan too. I just hate when mma fans say boxing for pussies blah blah lol.

[@libbad7419]

Disingenuous. Didn't keep his word agreeing to a fight.

[@Reypstraptor4269]

@Nictorious NZ Yeah but they have a reason to object.Boxing is not run well.Most MMA fans dont respect boxing but they still like the sport and want it to be better.Meanwhile the hardcore boxing fans that dislike MMA are likee "oooh boxing is the sweet science, that MMA shit is barbaric and its got people hugging eachother on the ground and shit"

[@humann5682]

@@Sam-ng3of not necessarily true. There was a data from 2017 that showed the average age of a UFC viewer was increasing over a 10 year period. Which means less younger fans tuning in. And the UFCs PPV numbers nosed dived for a few years recently. MMA is not just growing and growing, its stalling out a bit. I like both but MMA is more technical and has a higher barrier to understand than boxing, so it might put off a lot of casual sports fans. All I'm saying is I don't think it's just a time thing. And what with all the data around concussions etc.... Less parents will get their kids in to boxing and MMA. They could go the way of the dodo in the next 200 years.

[@relevantbrother8964]

John Fury seems to have no insecurities about his sport. The way he outlines his thinking is so logical and coherent. Even if one disagrees with certain aspects ,Fury still adds food for thought.Decades of experience and a voice from the inside,no sugarcoating or emotional reasoning.

[@benbray4982]

Hes a fighting man. He's not a boxer. But boxing was how they easily did what they enjoyed and made good money.

[@iorekby]

I appreciate the interview and they are both great pundits and very respectful, but the whole Boxing vs MMA debate is dumb. How many sports fans do you know who only like 1 sport lol? Most MMA fans I know like to watch some boxing too, and most boxing fans I know like to watch some MMA too. I think the vast majority of fight fans like both and don't feel the need to slavishly stick to one. I think most fight fans just want to see good fights. Doesn't matter if it's Ngannou vs Jon Jones or Fury vs Joshua.

[@relevantbrother8964]

@@iorekby true, its a somewhat false dichotomy. MMA is followed worldwide now and the top fighters are generally known as are the top boxers.

[@friedstew1583]

@@iorekby to be fair I only watch mma and I watch every event that is made and enjoy watching the prelims. I think for me I enjoy mma so much that I know so many fighters and rankings and I think I'm so invested in mma news that it's hard for me to watch boxing because it's like a whole new sport to start learning about, because it's not just about the sports itself but you've got to learn the history, the news and the fighters even people who aren't fighters and are just involved with the sport. I do watch the big boxing matches but probably am more casual then the average casual fan, so I definitely feel like there are people that only watch one. Alot of fans also have this narrative of a war between boxing and mma so they only stick to one but I think that is really fucking dumb.

[@friedstew1583]

@@relevantbrother8964 also I'm having trouble understanding what your comment is saying, I'm not trying to be rude but I would like you to elaborate or maybe word it differently.

[@kentuckyblugrass]

All the interviews that BT has had this week have been absolutely incredible. I could listen to John and Dan talk all friggin day.

[@xinsanedefeatx]

BTs coverage seems so much better than ESPNs trash lmao

[@masterwindu1234]

*fucking

[@Lonewolf__666]

I love John when he goes off on one.. but I see he also have a laid back/ softer side to him. Seems a good all round knowledgeable guy.

[@jameslaude3654]

Would you fight him on the ARRRDDD ROADDD???? TUUURRRNNN UPP!!!!

[@ewenhutchison5019]

@@jameslaude3654 Pop pop bang 😀😀.

[@ots1634]

I disagree entirely

[@interabang]

He clearly isn't on MMA he just said you can use your head and refered to a move as the choker. He's full of bullshit I'm afraid

[@Lonewolf__666]

@@interabang maybe he’s on MDMA? 😂

[@xn-triq7607]

This was brilliant, so refreshing to hear people actually talk with honesty rather than scripted bs. Always liked Dan, always liked the Fury family, wish this went on for longer tbh.

[@ridiculouslyoverpoweredsup4421]

@Luke Fairy boy Fury🦆..🤔 Someone's sitting alone in a dark corner 😆

[@ridiculouslyoverpoweredsup4421]

@Luke Fairy boy Fury🦆 *someone* You're welcome! 😆

[@ridiculouslyoverpoweredsup4421]

@Luke Fairy boy Fury🦆That's great info mate! 👍 😆🤣😂 Shame I'm not all alone, in the corner of a dark room like you. Otherwise I would "come at you"!

[@ridiculouslyoverpoweredsup4421]

@Luke Fairy boy Fury🦆 coming from the guy who's spamming hate on the Internet 🙄 Your trolling is s**t! Must be some low maintenance bridge you live in because you're not even making sence 😆

[@ridiculouslyoverpoweredsup4421]

@Luke Fairy boy Fury🦆 Why would your trolling mean thst I need to go out more? And why do you keep spamming that like it's supposed to mean something to me? You're literally making no sence! 😆

[@gunner4life568]

I wish this was longer it is enjoyable

[@Brummieck]

Love Dan hardy he can knows exactly what to ask anyone he’s a true fan of all combat sports

[@alr1577]

yeah and puts u too sleep zzzzz

[@ASM881]

I think the reason boxing dropped off in popularity over the last few decades is that it was horribly mismanaged. Too many competing companies with too many belts, and too many fighters afraid to lose their perfect records meant that the sport lost steam after the Mike Tyson era. Enter Dana White and the UFC and boxing was essentially dead. I hope it comes back. I love Fury.

[@henrygarley1595]

Boxing is making a comeback ngl

[@SI-cd7xs]

u you say that but the best mma fighters in different companies NEVER fight each other. UFC marketing is just on a another level.

[@stttttipa]

​@@SI-cd7xsindeed, yet there were two big eras in mma, one was Pride era, and the other is the lasting UFC era, both having pretty much 3/4 of quality and volume in their respective rosters. Boxing is much much less centralized, has more weight classes, quite tougher to understand to a regular fan.

[@shootboxpodcast]

Grew up in a boxing family but naturally picked up an MMA obsession early. I think it's a generational thing. That and it was a lot easier to access event schedules and every single fight was uploaded online going back a long time. Boxing archives are so mixed and matched it's impossible for one person to give themselves a history lesson.

[@jimrellbaluyot7343]

All love and respect but I’m from a family of Jiu Jitsu and MMA practicioners but I prefer Boxing over MMA(love both of em). It’s because it’s rich history and significant events that took place that hooked me into the sweet science. Plus, it’s easier to learn.

[@becarefulwhatyoufish4764]

Boxing vs kickboxing needs to be the national debate. Boxing vs MMA is like the 3 point contest vs actual basketball

[@guyvelvet1980]

This is the only positive Connor McGregor stuff I've heard recently 😂

[@richarddavies5674]

Because John is an older man who doesn't get caught up in shit social media games. Probably doesn't even know conor has lost majority of his fights over the past 5 years. Even if he did know John is still in the right Because conor is an icon and will be missed when he retires properly

[@thefly1203]

Conor will be back & better than ever

[@soys8834]

@@richarddavies5674 living legend Hel defo be missed and looked back on as a golden time for mma

[@DoyleSnortsShit]

@@thefly1203 Nah he's done man. Still has an opportunity to have some great, entertaining fights with the likes of Diaz etc. But as for being the best, it's over

[@aidenc1998]

It really depends what you want to see, refined boxing skills and technique. Or a Jack of all trades fight where every discipline mixes. I prefer MMA personally.

[@breyochiona9428]

If you really get into boxing you'll realize how technical it is. Much more than just using your hands to attack. Same for mma. Most people that just watch mma for fun think its just a brawl. But its so cool seeing all the martial arts clash into each other in the octagon. For me its boxing. Boxing is beautiful to practice and watch. But I'd rather watch a stacked ufc event than 1 big boxing match. Unless its for an undisputed boxing champ.

[@kenn8518]

I love boxing I’m a die hard fan but it definitely is nice to see a UFC card with some great fighters. Just like boxing it can be boring to watch it just depends on who the fighters are. Great sports though.

[@ap24101988]

Personally I love them both. The creating of angles in boxing to open opponents up is brilliant and the MMA stuff like khabib showing his wrestling trapping legs and getting submission or ground and pound it’s all good. Much better than all the other weak watered down sports

[@bradadezus]

More like if you wanna see a wild sloppy fight then its mma,but if you wanna see a technical action packed fight you watch boxing

[@prime7042]

@@bradadezus bs Mma fighters are also heavy on technique Only the unranked bums fight like this but even they would starch a boxer

[@mmatatimaphoto766]

First time I hear John Fury talk and wow what an open-minded and intelligent man, he definitely played a huge role in Tyson's boxing development as a mma fan, hope he gets more involved in mma somehow.

[@DoomCatcher]

What are thoughts on him now 😂

[@ChrisFXOriginal]

I love big John, he is wise and well spoken. Tough and down to earth at the same time!!

[@thedawghouseg]

My Grandads 86 years old loves watching boxing but got him into ufc the other year and he absolutely loves it watches it every week when ever it’s on 😂🤣 prefers ufc now

[@jk90z]

That's awesome

[@91vanced14]

MMA is actually fighting, boxing is just a sport

[@hennyspiderman9974]

Anything with Dan hardy, I’m watching. Would love for ESPN to make him their go to guy instead of Brett Lame-amoto. But BT sports are using him way better than ESPN would

[@InfliiKted]

Brett Joke-amoto

[@aaronfarricker1475]

Just tune in more to BT mate. Much better broadcaster. No politics, and the best MMA analyst line up by a mile

[@vaden706]

I prefer mma as it’s actually a real fight and it speaks to something primal in us. I will always have a great appreciation for the art and technical ability of boxing though. It truly is a beautiful sport Edit: sadly the format of a boxers carrer, padded record, the politics, have truly ruined the sport

[@marascomedywig5350]

Well worded and totally agree 👏

[@TheNEOverse]

@Lxnkzi As close as we can get atm without throwing in some weird gimmicky nonsense.

[@davidchaladze1082]

@Lxnkzi That’s true, because mma is a sport. Take the gloves out of mma and replace canvas with concrete, then you will have a real fight

[@gaiusx287]

@@davidchaladze1082 You'd also have to allow dick shots, eye shots, neck shots, other dirty moves, etc.

[@billcipher3946]

@@gaiusx287 Also knifes, guns and any objects as a weapon.

[@NBALIVETVbroadcast]

Was expecting a heated debate from Fury but was pleasantly surprised with this, just wish it was a 2 hour podcast 💯

[@MJPno.8]

Great combination, a master stroke bringing in John fury. Really enjoyed this debate with these 2. 👍👍

[@jerrydavis4860]

Has to agree with everything john says,been a breath of fresh air on these interviews,real talk

[@shmooga4034]

Except a lot of the things he says about mma are not true because he only watches the biggest ufc fighters.

[@MicahNstuff]

@@shmooga4034 well yeah he’s in a boxing family lol. You probably don’t drive a Chevy if you own a Toyota dealership.

[@Falkov]

Very enjoyable discussion to watch.

[@leumasnehpets]

Fantastic double interview.

[@Travvv94]

Never really heard John Fury speak before, true gentleman and representative of martial arts

[@carlsworldofwisewords8907]

I’ve been a fan of boxing since around 1990, MMA since around 2005 - both sports a fantastic. From both an entertainment and a competitive standpoint, MMA is consistently putting on better shows than boxing. There are less politics in MMA and comber all I feel, in current form, MMA has much more growth potential than boxing. Both sport, politically, have challenges - but you have to give it to athletes of both, they’re the toughest guys putting in the most work. Boxing needs to get rid of the alphabet straps and it can come on leaps and bounds, but it won’t.

[@philmitchellboxing8661]

Both great sports need more discussions like this.

[@matthewshin1010]

This video was phenomenal

[@lsabellathehousekeeper3280]

Thank you Joe 😁❤ Two of my favorite men from across the pond ❤🇬🇧🥊 🤔 I don't think the shelf life's going to be long for the circus in the sand especially when you disrespect Dan and many others for their knowledge and experience

[@philcliffe6909]

I've been a life long martial artist but never got into boxing. Perversely I find boxing more brutal, two people facing each other just punching each others heads. In MMA you rarely see ground and pound for 15 minutes. The wrestling and use of legs seem to dilute the overall violent nature of the sport.

[@searchingforufos3102]

Weird thing with mma and ufc, they think its the most brutal, but boxing, its whole basis is brain trauma. No escape on the ground. If a boxer having a rough fight, either the refs stop it, towel thrown in or none of that, the boxer got take it and get knocked out

[@Alex-jk9pq]

Henzo88 Yea cuz boxing has been around and studied by almost a century more than mma, the UFC brought mma to the world stage barely a decade ago & credential studies barely have been done

[@adamcunningham2511]

Great content ,

[@spacewater8800]

More of this!!!

[@Razorjaw86]

I think when you grow up with a certain sport and have watched a large amount of it your whole life, you’re just prone to being extremely defensive of it, it’s all down to personal preference, neither of them are easy sports to get into

[@SlimClipper]

MMA is the closest sport to pure, unarmed fighting.

[@ridiculouslyoverpoweredsup4421]

It's not really that "pure" anymore...

[@redhell3691]

@@ridiculouslyoverpoweredsup4421 well is still closer then shitty boxing!!!

[@redhell3691]

@Yurt Dweller see that's why boxing fans are so dumb and delusional its hilarious 😂😂 do you even believe in the things u just said there??? Look at this kid and laugh at him

[@redhell3691]

Lol he blocked me i think get rekt

[@billcipher3946]

@@redhell3691 Ignorant

[@mullah4638]

Fantastic interview from sides

[@rickyblitz9679]

What an awesome conversation

[@jacksace2685]

Glad and refreshing to hear a man like fury to side with MMA and giving respect to it. While still holding the up most respect for boxing. It’s the fighters that make the sport what it is. Just like we see in football. More stars will bring in more eyes and money.

[@robbyrobinson4500]

Jon fury is one of the most knowledgeable men to listen to. Need to get more of him throught combat sports

[@Chris-vf8fe]

Fantastic to listen to from two very knowledgeable men

[@davidjones3122]

In mma you get the best fights, in boxing you get hyped up fights that don’t happen

[@rickylee8620]

" Like a Pitbull terrier " gotta love a bit of big John 👍

[@treblacc7306]

1:22 I thought my headphones was catching an Alien signal from space

[@Ash_Hudson]

Who mixed this interview sound? All you had to was raise the master volume, mate.

[@ayo30s]

Very Nice Interaction, 👊🏾🇳🇬🇺🇸

[@Ghost-1977]

Big John podcast!!

[@scottswift8153]

Boxings more practical? Not in a real fight and that's what mma will always have over boxing.

[@billcipher3946]

Guns and knives

[@castlewoods4753]

Boxers have died while mma don’t

[@liamjones9115]

You have to love Big John pronouncing "h"oyce Gracie and Tyron Woodley correctly 🥰🥰 most MMA fans can't manage that.

[@KingStu-kr7wz]

It's Tyron

[@smackbarm_peywet6533]

its tyron not tyrone he said it wrong lol

[@MrCraigHartley]

He also said Royce Gracie's name wrong, he called him HoyCee not "Hoyce". Pretty sure original comment was a joke....hope so anyway 😂

[@liamjones9115]

@@MrCraigHartley haha mate you need to understand Portuguese pronunciation. Mugged yourself off royally HAHAHA Portuguese/Brazilians pronounce R' as H's don't @ people when you don't have a clue. Almost every word with a E at the end has andimperative on the E. It also depends on the area of Brazil you are from. Bafoon

[@gabmercss8850]

Wow good shit!!

[@christopherlarsen6158]

Boxing is way more dangerous longtherm than mma! The damage and the hits your head gets in a boxing career... Breaking a leg aint dangerous, 2000 hits to the head without beeing knocked out, is way more dangerous...

[@kevinb6831]

Enjoy both, prefer boxing when it's a proper card (which is too rare).

[@timboslice980]

I started watching boxing with my dad in the 80s one day he came home from the video store looking like a kid at christmas. He said timmy, this is real fighting its called UFC! it was ufc 2 or 3. I watched it for a few years but the 20 min grappling draws and tornament replacements sent me back to boxing i just got back into MMA last year and im into both now

[@jamescricketson9464]

You can remember his exact words? Sounds like B/S

[@timboslice980]

@@jamescricketson9464 i was like 11 bro i can remember lots of exact things from then. Just How much weed have you smoked jimmy?

[@bubness1587]

1 aspect that’s much better for MMA is that the organisations have more control over the fighters compared to boxing (negative being they control the pay) which means they’re typically paired to fight people at their ranking at every level which means you’ll usually see competitive fights even if the fighters are up and coming and at the top level pretty much all the top 10 guys are fighting each other at some point or another… this is what I feel boxing is lacking with a lot of fighters having padded records early on and “needing” that undefeated record going into their first major fight to be a draw. It also leads to a lot less interesting overall fight cards compared to MMA where I personally find a lot of the unknown fighters to be exciting fights to watch too which just leads to more people starting to follow these unknown guys career as they’ve seen them in an exciting fight in the past.

[@dang9269]

Love these guys both stand up genuine men of the fight game

[@EdgarHernandez-dq4vj]

The Fury’s are very intelligent men. Furthermore, I love how they just tell it like it is

[@paulw6183]

I respect MMA as a sport and their fighters but I just don't find it easy to watch, too many different things going on

[@marcusg7027]

Couldn't have had two more reasonable people from each side to debate. Both these gents, well done.

[@okokokaytom4919]

Not often someone from the boxing world doesn't bash MMA. Always liked big John, now I like him even more

[@okokokaytom4919]

@Adam Harvey it's a comment, not an answer

[@Jasontvnd9]

@Adam Harvey what's your problem seriously the guy just had an opinion which is exactly what the comments are for.

[@matthewk8593]

@Adam Harvey Odd ball

[@jm12green31]

Just close your eyes and listen to these beautiful voices haha

[@tristhekid]

I enjoy both but in any real situation we know what happens. EDIT: I think Fury could adopt a very good karate style with great hands and a good takedown defence

[@keithsstepdad]

as a bigtime MMA fan Fury is right about the sport still developing. It's only now you're starting to see guys who are very good at everything from boxing and kicking to submission defense and ability, and this is at the lower weight levels no less. An example of this is Ilia Topuria

[@11Ninety4]

I love MMA but ill always be a boxing fan since my single digit yrs

[@koogar83]

Could listen to Big John all day.

[@richardpizzario3627]

Big John McCarthy

[@vantheman1244]

You have to give it to John Fury the man comes across so well on this type of format. An intelligent and articulate individual who is insightful in his commentary and interesting to watch and listen to. John Fury has a successful career in the media if he wants it.

[@Dark80s71]

I enjoy Watching MMA more than boxing. MMA is far more technical, diverse, intellectual and volatile.

[@theodorbrinch]

"there's no characters in MMA" have you not seen the mike perry meme's? the tony ferguson quotes? Derek lewis? contrast that with the likes of tommy fury

[@MFDOOM4635]

Difference is there not elite fighter, maybe you could say Ferguson but reality is khabib would of smoked him. You need the elite level guys to have elite characters as well, only really Conor and a few others who have managed that

[@Alazerith]

@@MFDOOM4635 i dont know, Derrick Lewis is quite elite. His fighting spirit and punching power is incredibly impressive. Tony Ferguson was definitely elite, no doubt there. Even Mike Perry at one point in his career went toe to toe with Vicente Luque, and Luque is now a top 5 fighter.

[@YouAintGotNoTegridyBoi]

He means elite fighters who are also characters such as McGregor.

[@Alazerith]

@@YouAintGotNoTegridyBoi you mean elite double champ kind of stuff? Very specific if you ask me. Tony was interim champ. Lewis fought for a belt twice. Hes a number 1 contender. Boxing champs are nonsensical anyways. They have so many belts that being a champion doesn't mean anything anymore. Its more impressive to be a number 1 contender in the UFC than a WBA champ. So once again I ask, whats the criteria of being elite?

[@theodorbrinch]

@@MFDOOM4635 yeah, basically Conor and Issy. Every other champion is pretty boring. Holloway is great, I'd put him a close 3rd.

[@gabriel3236]

I feel like this video has been conceived as John Fury and Dan hardy arguing about what's better; boxing or mma. But the fact is John doesn't get it, doesn't give a fuck and has sort of ruined the party by just talking sense and not getting into an argument. Why not just put the title as "John Fury and Dan Hardy talk about boxing and MMA", it doesn't HAVE to be click bait JOE.

[@Extravaganzoyeur]

Aah so Big John used to watch "Royson" Gracie as well. What a well informed mma fan he is! 😁👍

[@granitxhaka7261]

Please more videos of Dan Hardy and John Fury ❤️🌝

[@ryanzinck7376]

I fucking LOVE Tyson Fury. Interesting to hear his Pops speak. Seems like a rad and intelligent dude.

[@alanmcallister7402]

I think they almost sound the same too the tone of voice

[@bradleythompson2644]

This was great. It’s so good to see John laughing and smiling, showing his real personality where he feels more relaxed. Really coming into his own with BT now I think he’s got a real future being a pundit on top of what he’s already been doing for years.

[@sammydodgers121]

Very sensible take from John Fury, not unfairly biased towards boxing

[@themcgonigleboxingpodcast8581]

Great Duo!

[@weSnooker]

Such a legend John is

[@notanotherclubmember]

The problem with boxing is once you have a loss you are considered fodder. MMA is a constant redeemable journey. Perhaps it's due to being knocked out. It does something severe to the serotonin levels in a man. Makes him different.

[@SlimClipper]

It’s much, much easier to go undefeated in boxing, that’s why.

[@notanotherclubmember]

@Wrongfully Censored It's an actual scientific fact. Being knocked out, not losing, or being TKO'd but having your brain shut off rewires how the hormones release into your body. I'm not "making up bs that sounds scientific". What do I gain by that? Having strangers think I type intelligent things for no reason whatsoever? I dropped a pearl. You gobbled it up and spit it out. So be it. God bless.

[@janithchamara1477]

Respect two legends ❤

[@liamfoo09]

It ain’t about a rivalry, that doesn’t really exist. I’m a huge fan of both, one isn’t gonna swallow the other if anything they grow off each other as fans will fluctuate between the two

[@ciaranohagan5726]

Love to see someone in touch with reality on both sides. Compare this to the joe rogan boxing mma debate and there is a stark difference.

[@coolbreeze3793]

Joe Rogan said Ronda rousey would beat Floyd Mayweather in a boxing match. Clearly he's either bias or on elk dmt.

[@ciaranohagan5726]

@@coolbreeze3793 Probably a bit of both lmao

[@searchingforufos3102]

Floyd treat her like one of his dancers at his clubs. He beat for a while and demand a freebie

[@100_1OO________1]

I still think MMA has a bigger hardcore fan base currently. Back in the day boxing did, but currently the UFC PPVs do better on average than boxing. UFC has had about 5 PPVs that did over 700k buys this year, and I think boxing only has two, which were both headlines by Paul’s

[@saintdon4461]

anthony joshua hits a million PPV on his own

[@saintdon4461]

basically ufc growing in america and boxing isnt.. in europe its all boxing

[@100_1OO________1]

@@saintdon4461 He hits a million when the PPV price is set at $25. If McGregor vs Poirier 3 was set at $25 it equates to 5,045,000 PPV buys

[@MoneyManuel]

@@100_1OO________1 your boyfriend McGregor hurt his leg

[@100_1OO________1]

@@MoneyManuel I could use any PPV example. Usman vs Masvidal did 700k buys at $70. If it was $25 it would do 1,960,000 buys. That was the 4th biggest PPV of the year for the UFC. Not even top 3

[@kingofeverything2159]

Enjoyable. Great respect shown by Hardy for an older hard man like John Fury and what a great convo. Big John Fury showed his lighter side here as well, looks like both enjoyed this a lot.

[@MemesOfProduction69]

I can listen to John talk about boxing and fight sports all day

[@pjm8395_]

Tyson really is his dad's twin, not only does he look like him, but they sound absolutely identical when they speak 🤣

[@iphoneapps1175]

Rumour has it, his mom gave birth to both of them

[@shaunmaguire6912]

small gene pool theyre travellers indbreeding is common

[@pjm8395_]

@@shaunmaguire6912 that makes no sense because people who aren't from traveller communities look like their parents, seems to me you're just looking for an opportunity to spout some negative comments about travellers, which is against the law as travellers and gypsies are protected under the discrimination and equality laws

[@shaunmaguire6912]

@@pjm8395_ its up to you if you want to perceive it as negative or positive in some cultures marrying cousins is considered normal others find it strange but it is well known that pretty much all traveller families are releated and as for discrimination travellers aint gypsies they just have a similar culture they are just irish/british people who live in caravans gypsies are romani and are an ethnic group

[@pjm8395_]

@@shaunmaguire6912 Irish travellers are classified as an ethnic group, I hope you Google this and educate yourself

[@cobrafroch3280]

Love listening to Big john

[@davidwilkinson8958]

What would I know? I’m just a stray dog stood in the middle of the road 😂. Another one he said regarding jake paul, he could buy a 3 legged table and make a profit on it 😂😂😂

[@alfredomanccini9786]

I think boxing is easier to understand than mma I really started enjoying mma properly one i understood the grappling aspect of it

[@zwei2084]

This is brilliant

[@HappySlappr]

What’s refreshing is - John who’s rooted in boxing , appreciates and praises MMA. Doesn’t have this blind defense of boxing being the best or the top sport - I love that. Fair man and shows why people love big John! I love both and always followed MMA leaned more towards boxing lately but both great sports.

[@zachjames559]

Spot on

[@bobbob-cd9yl]

I love John but I was kinda confused that he thinks boxing has more fans than MMA? Not sure if it's just me but boxing PPV numbers are really poor these days Tyson fury vs Deyonte only drew 800K PPV's

[@redhell3691]

Boxing is shit!!

[@jllo3624]

One of the biggest differences between boxing and mma, is a boxer is only in danger of being hurt for the time he is on his feet. The minute a boxer takes a few big shots he can take a knee and buy himself some time and stop the onslaught. That option isn't there in mma, the fight can take place anywhere. Nowhere to hide

[@MR4_11]

True but the length of the fights increases the blows to the head. Boxing’s danger is more subtle

[@jacktenrec63]

😂😂😂

[@zigzagnemesist5074]

That’s such an ignorant comment 🤣🤣. A boxer can take a knee sure but that only lasts 10 seconds, and also the referee has every right to stop the fight if a boxer decides to take a knee ‘because he is receiving too much punishment’. In MMA if you’re a decent grappler you can take your opponent down if you feel like you’re getting beaten up on your feet, then you can have a rest while demolishing your opponent on the ground. MMA has way more chances for breaks than boxing

[@jacktenrec63]

@@zigzagnemesist5074 the way in which tapout UFC dorks are getting triggered is hilarious, not really sure why is it so hard for them to comprehend that in boxing you get way more damage especially to the head which is the worst type

[@denniswild7318]

If that was the reality you might be right. I have seen plenty of fights, rarely have I seen boxers taking a knee to rest. That’s what clinching is for. As soon as the fighter stands up again (after 8 seconds) he’ll get battered (most of the time). Whereby in MMA you can straight shoot for the legs and keep your opponent on the ground avoid the danger of getting knocked out.

[@boxingdevotee]

This is absolutely brilliant!! I'm a huge boxing fan however I'm not too shy to say MMA is better than Boxing in pretty much the majority of things. It's funny how the most established personalities like John and Teddy Atlas are so honest about this, where as some of the hardcore fans are so jealous of MMA and it's silly really when there's room for both. I do feel MMA over time will eventually overtake boxing, the younger generation aren't going to hook onto boxing when MMA is out there though I do feel Boxing will be around, it's just not going to be the most popular and that's ok. Really surprised with John's honesty and I really enjoyed this, massive respect for John.

[@BrainFuck10]

One talking point they forgot is that elite boxers aren't really fighting each other now because of the politics of boxing destroying their own sport. Boxing peaked in the 70's & 80's then it started going downhill, now it's just a circus that's more profitable but the quality of fights has gone down as well

[@kylesmyle4907]

The only question that needs fo be asked is this: If a boxer and an MMA fighter of similar skill level in their respective sports just have a fight, what would happen?

[@unionnet27]

Boxer is getting taken down and violated...

[@kylesmyle4907]

@@unionnet27 💯

[@zigzagnemesist5074]

That’s the thing, MMA fighters are jack of all trades, they’re decent at most combat skills but most of them are not specialists in a combat sport. Boxing, wrestling, BJJ and Muay Thai are specialist combat sports and they would Woop any MMA fighter in their sport, however, an MMA fighter has decent skills in all of those combat sports so in an octagon the MMA fighter will come on top. It’s a case of what you prefer, a jack of all trades or a specialist? That’s up to you.

[@kylesmyle4907]

@@zigzagnemesist5074 The foundations of MMA is built on specialists pal, that’s why the new breed of fighters get so much respect from other combat sports athletes because they understand that being a specialist in one area is very rarely enough to win in an all out fight. There’s a reason boxers don’t step in the octagon.

[@july5345]

On the street or in the cage? On the street, who ever gets hold of a brick wins, one smack to the head with a solid brick does more damage than any punch can do.

[@zMxsh]

Dans so happy to be infront of this legend you can just tell

[@tomknibbs2273]

It's like your grandad talking to you about mma after watching it on channel 5 late at night.

[@to7804]

jesus imagine tyson fury in mma, hes not old either, with two years of training hard like John said, he would be so good

[@mikeyx360x]

Boxing is a more refined skillset with improved cardio in specific movement patterns for longer. MMA is more multifaceted yet depends on each fighter in terms of their efforts/proclivities in certain areas of the arts but they are more generalists than specialists. The UFC matches top fighters much more than boxing organisations do and the personalities seem to be more varied and fun for younger audiences to be involved with. MMA has more applicability in real world fighting, especially defensively but being able to punch can obviously have real world benefits too.

[@chrisklitou7573]

You're talking bollocks MMA has everything boxing has and more

[@mikeyx360x]

@@chrisklitou7573 Develop your analysis.

[@chrisklitou7573]

@@mikeyx360x I've done both. MMA takes more skill to do and definitely takes more cardio to do

[@mikeyx360x]

@@chrisklitou7573 I'm more of an MMA fan than boxing, the analysis required is more than just experiences though. MMA's skillset is wider, like I said. Learn to read properly. Boxing's specific cardio lasts longer for that action, like wrestling cardio works for wrestling etc. MMA fighters aren't as efficient with their movements, which is understandable due to the more varied attacks/defence required.

[@chrisklitou7573]

@@mikeyx360x aren't as efficient with their movement Yeah because Wonderboy, Israel,GSP,DJ and Cejudo weren't efficient?

[@psycheevolved1428]

Both sports are great but I don’t like the ground game in mma. This is why I prefer boxing. It’s great when you can enjoy both though

[@bumpbumper1851]

I completely agree I love the stand up but the ground game is terrible!!! Puts me completely off

[@MoneyManuel]

I agree here's my thing the boxing clinch I don't like because the Ref always Separate the fighters, let them fight it out

[@rockyrivera6397]

thats understandable but mma rules are supposed to be closest thing to a street fight if take that away it becomes kickboxing and grappling fighters have none of there strengths to fight. Plus it makes someone's standup skills that much more impressive when they can avoid that extra danger.

[@MoneyManuel]

@@rockyrivera6397 Ehhhh Not Really Because in a Street Fight There is NO Rules NONE! and For the Most part people tend to Punch or Grab you and punch you on the Ground

[@billcipher3946]

@@rockyrivera6397 Street fight you get jumped, stabbed, and shot at.

[@vincentg2618]

Wow Im really impressed by John Furys respect and understanding of mma. Was expecting him to trash mma like most boxing celebrities

[@josa19042]

This is fucking GOLD!!!! 👏👏👏

[@liamlive2972]

Anderson Silva put MMA in the lead by dominating Chavez Jr

[@hardcoreboxing4195]

Then Boxing won it back when a knockout artist welterweight great lost to a KZbinr.

[@Andrecito922]

This is a really good interview. John Fury understands MMA and boxing. He realizes MMA is more difficult. Respect to John Fury!

[@MoneyManuel]

Ehhh it is but the wrestling kills it

[@bonazza4483]

Im a big mma fan but wtf are you talking about ? You cant even compare these sports, so saying that one is more difficult than the other is complete bs.

[@MoneyManuel]

@@bonazza4483 there Both Hard

[@andrewespinoza926]

@@MoneyManuel you can’t wrestle can ya mate? Which means you can’t really fight fight, if ya know what I mean

[@MoneyManuel]

@@andrewespinoza926 💀 Wrestling Real Fighting??????? 💀 You love watching sweaty men on the ground huh

[@LKeet6]

great debate. didnt agree with all of it, but give me this sensible and balanced conversation any day. biggest disagreement for me, "MMA is more dangerous than boxing." Dan hardy was right, the "superficial " damage is worse. But then fury says "if you've got brains, stick to boxing." Literally the thing that gets fucked in boxing!