Brady vs Manning Opening Night Classic! (Colts vs. Patriots 2004, Week 1)

[@jrad410]

2004 Pats are the best of the Super Bowl winning dynasty squads imo. They were complete everywhere except elite receivers. Also to me 04 was Manning’s most impressive season. More efficient that 2013 despite the bigger numbers.

[@astrostar49]

Agreed. Also, the 2003 to 2005 Colts are probably Manning's best years so it lined up perfectly with maybe the best of the Patriots dynasty.

[@SBRS47]

Yeah but 2013 Manning had a wet noodle for a throwing arm he had to throw it higher than he did far just to get it anywhere

[@mariosnum1fan]

I mean they had above average, really good wide receivers

[@TheLocalLt]

The 2004 Patriots had a very good receiving corps, it just wasn’t the Colts trio of 1000 yard receivers, Harrison, Wayne and Stokley

[@jrad410]

@@TheLocalLt oh yea not saying they were scrubs. Just not top level. Because of the rivalry I think the difference in reciever quality got elevated

[@Jman417]

Rest in peace Madden. I grew up listening to you. My favorite commentary was of you and Summerall on Thanksgiving day of Vikings- Cowboys. My Vikings blew the Cowboys out.

[@CelticSlayer93]

SKOL

[@Jman417]

@@CelticSlayer93 skol my brother

[@tresportsmaster1996]

Brady Vs Manning Best rivalry of the 2000’s

[@Speedyreedy1218]

Packers fans will probably say he and Rogers were, but I agree.

[@palaceofwisdom9448]

I'm partial to Steelers/Ravens, it was way more physical and a lot less one sided.

[@mariosnum1fan]

You guys aren’t reading what he said. This was for the 2000s decade. Packers rivalry was nonexistent, and Steelers ravens was technically late 2000s to mid 2010s

[@Speedyreedy1218]

@@mariosnum1fan Packers rivalry existed and only happened every four years. Ravens/Patriots existed too, particularly in the playoffs because like the Packers, they didn't play each other often in the regular season.

[@Speedyreedy1218]

@@mariosnum1fan Steelers/Ravens has been going on since the 90s. But was usually one-sided until Flacco/Ben traded wins in the late 2000s and 2010s.

[@seanewing9647]

Kinda crazy to hear Brady calling Omaha

[@jlems56]

almost like he started it...

[@alphonseblackwood2930]

Yeah brady called it first, then eli, then Peyton

[@thekraken108]

Peyton heard it from the sidelines and was like "Hey that sounds cool. I wanna yell that."

[@beophobic9653]

Gays blacks and Indians

[@dennislanga9568]

Talk about rubbing it in your face.. when your opponent uses your calling card.. Wow!!!

[@stevensmall9398]

I miss the ol pats. Especially Brady vs Manning games. Watching from Dirty Lewiston,Maine.

[@somerandomguy84]

Hey that’s awesome. I actually went to Bates

[@stevensmall9398]

@somerandomguy84 Definitely a small world. I hear bates is a decent college to go to.

[@somerandomguy84]

@@stevensmall9398 It was a good spot! And I hope you're doing ok with the horrific events going on

[@stevensmall9398]

@somerandomguy84 Hey man ty for checking in. I called outta work last night. I couldn't leave my wife and kids home with all this going on. So close to us. 4 blocks away from us. I feel awful for these people

[@stevensmall9398]

@@somerandomguy84 Coast guard is searching all waterways by us

[@noahkilborn3173]

This is very good quality for 2004. Just saying.

[@trolln_]

Hd quality

[@crixxxxxxxxx]

HD television existed in 2004.

[@flames24lightning]

@@crixxxxxxxxx HD television was in its preteen stage in 2004. It basically grew up in the following three years or so.

[@xXRedEyedStrangerXx]

Yeah it’s good the reason it’s surprising is a lot of re uploads weren’t original footage and lost a lot of quality

[@jonathanwilliams0824]

R.I.P. David Patten

[@brucelau2023]

definitely miss the old 2000s NFL , Brady Vs Manning games for sure were the classics

[@davidbarton1806]

This is one of my favorite games of all time of the pats dynasty

[@PeanutButterAndJellyBros]

David patten, David givens, Deion branch, and Corey Dillion with Brady. Decent offensive squad right there.

[@TheLocalLt]

The Patriots offense in 2004 never gets enough credit, the power run play-action offense they ran after trading for Dillon was a thing of beauty to watch, and Brady’s deep ball developed into one of the best in the league

[@Speedyreedy1218]

Yet were overlooked by Peyton having Edgerin, Marvin, Reggie, Brandon, and Dallas.

[@daking414]

Corey Dillion was so cold

[@Speedyreedy1218]

@@daking414 So important that year.

[@kman215]

And hidden cameras

[@CelebrityGamerTV]

Brady vs Manning will forever be the rivalry of the decade of the 2000s. And mid 2010s.

[@astrostar49]

This is probably tied for my favorite TNF opener (since they started in 2002) next to the Packers/Saints shootout in 2011. Great down to the wire context between Manning/Brady in their primes. Awesome choice, and great to see in HD.

[@TheLocalLt]

That was the AJ Hawk superman bat down game I believe 😂 it wasn’t pass interference!

[@wdb4353]

Willie McGinest was an underrated clutch player, especially against the Colts. Made two big game-saving tackles against them, in back-to-back years.

[@charlesburroughs9770]

Willie McGinest hold the postseason record for sacks!!!

[@davidbarton1806]

Yup and the all-time leader in playoff sacks too

[@josephayers7395]

Willie was the best player on the defense

[@jcore0981]

If Brady had an elite receiver it's very likely the 04 Pats go 16-0. And I'm gonna continue to say it, what Brady did without great receivers in these days is incredibly underrated.

[@palaceofwisdom9448]

It doesn't take great receivers when Brady is throwing pinpoint perfect strikes all game long. It's ridiculous how many times he beat perfect coverage in this game.

[@TheLocalLt]

The narrative that Brady had mediocre receivers before 2007 is simply not true, it was only true in 2006, where the actual issue was that Brady’s receivers from 03-04 were basically all no longer on the team. In 2004 the receiving corps was very solid. Deion Branch was one of Brady’s favorite receivers ever, he and Brady were so on the same page with nonverbal reads that Belichick had to stop Brady from throwing to Branch in practice because every ball was going to him. In fact Branch (and Corey Dillon) both missing that Halloween Pittsburgh game was a major factor in the Patriots defeat, and Branch later absolutely torched the Steelers in the AFC Championship For his part, Belichick said that Branch was the quickest in space of any receiver he ever coached. Branch is definitely the best college WR Belichick has drafted (got him and Givens, who was a RB in college, in the same draft). If he never had that stint in Seattle he would have much better career numbers, both his stints with the Patriots were fantastic, with that Super Bowl MVP as his standout achievement. Of course winning that Super Bowl MVP may not have been the best thing long-term, because a year later Branch then demanded a new contract and held out. Belichick wasn’t buying it, crediting the Eagles soft zone defense for Branch’s Super Bowl performance, and traded Branch to Seattle. As much as that hurt Branch’s career (until he later returned to NE) it arguably hurt the Patriots more, as the lack of a top WR was a major factor in their 2006 playoff loss to Manning and the Colts. Of course Belichick fixed that by getting Moss and Welker and the rest is history, with Branch later returning to the Pats following Moss’ departure. David Givens was a very good possession receiver who stepped up huge when Branch injured his knee and missed 9 games. And of course Troy Brown and David Patten were still there from the 01 team. So it was all in all a very solid group in 2004, by 06 though all these guys were gone and the cupboard was bare which became painfully obvious during the playoffs led to the retooling in 07

[@jcore0981]

@@TheLocalLt Brady did not have A. One single 1000 yard season receiver in 2004. And B. A 10 td receiver. His TE we're practically non-existent. May I remind you that Deion Branch, his best receiver, played 9 games. I'm not sure how you look at his receiving room compared especially to Manning and not immediately say it was incredibly mediocre. He had 1 pro bowl receiver from 2001-2006. He carried that offense along side Corey Dillon.

[@TheLocalLt]

@@jcore0981 Branch would have been a 1k in 2004 for sure, but he wrenched his knee when Belichick put him in on Hail Mary defense and missed 9 games… My one question, did you actually watch the games? If you want one indication of how good the Patriots receivers were in 2004, just look how the offense dropped off the face of the earth when these guys all left in 2006. It turned out Brady cannot “carry” an offense, he couldn’t turn Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney into Deion Branch and David Givens, that’s why Belichick went out and got Moss and Welker. If Branch doesn’t hold out in 2006 and get traded the Patriots no doubt beat the Colts in that AFC title game, ask anyone watching at the time…

[@nicholasvandal6948]

Uhhh the Steelers kicked our fuckin asses and we deserved that one too.

[@RevKali]

Damn 04 Brady had a canon as his arm, mostly every pass was a laser in a straight line!

[@stephcurran1724]

This is really good quality for 04

[@TheLocalLt]

No doubt one of the best editions of the NFL Kickoff Game, absolutely wild from start to finish! Corey Dillon, acquired for a 2nd rounder, was an enormous pickup for the Patriots. Not only did he set the team record with 1600 rush yards, he his presence also helped develop Brady’s deep ball and made an already formidable team into an all-time squad. Brady went from having to check down most plays from 01-03 to being able to set up play-action deep balls thanks to defenses having to respect Dillon. Brady ended up leading the NFL in deep pass % in 2004, before winning his first NFL passing title in 05. This 2004 Patriots squad is probably their best team ever (yes including 2007) and had one of the most impressive playoffs runs in NFL history, ending with a second straight Super Bowl title (no team has won back-to-back Super Bowls since)

[@jrad410]

And beating the next two SB champs with hall of fame

[@thomassankara1391]

NFL Passing Title? Do you mean led the league in completion pct, or yards, or touchdowns? Or all 3?

[@TheLocalLt]

@@thomassankara1391 he led the league in passing yards. To be fair it was also because Dillon got hurt in 2005, forcing them to rely more on Brady

[@TheLocalLt]

Also hyped that you have the HD version of this game! RIP John Madden & ABC Sports

[@1990Thunderbolt]

The 2003 Patriots was on beast mode! The 2004 Patriots was on rampage mode! They're still the last team to this day to win back to back Super Bowls! The 03 and 04 Patriots team was truly something special!

[@EdmacZ]

They were the last team to repeat. But still very impressive.

[@1990Thunderbolt]

@@EdmacZ i welcome the chiefs and their fans to the back to back super bowl winners club!

[@InYourHouse316]

Thank you for posting this one!!! Along with the 2003 regular season matchup I think these two games are the most underrated of all Brady/manning matchups. I have vivid memories of watching this game with my family. I recall 2006 being the first year I had HD so it is amazing to see this classic in HD.

[@wdb4353]

Great game! Miss those old first-dynasty Patriots teams. Those were the guys I grew up watching and idolizing.

[@rooseveltdarbey9493]

Phenomenal game Great match up between two great teams and quarterbacks.

[@JakeWilson-w7m]

Peyton Manning and Tom Brady the G.O.A.T's of all time.

[@FieldVisit]

The physicality just made this era so much better

[@knowyourenemy50]

McGinest sack on Peyton Manning at 15:48 is the same exact play as the Hightower sack on Matt Ryan at the Falcons Super Bowl causing fumble in 28-3 comeback. It comes full circle.

[@sostdm617]

Willie's sack at the end secured the victory that's what I remember from this game then lost 20-3 in the AFC Championship game

[@tyreepowell8367]

Brady Vs Manning Greatest Rivalry Of All Time NFL Throwback 🏈 Classic Game.

[@anemicroyalty8764]

This was the most underrated game in the series.

[@tonydouglas334]

Brady been saying “Omaha”

[@Nate-vi4ft]

Great game!

[@carlpacquing2575]

4:49 Brady said, "Omaha"!

[@brucelau2023]

ahh nothing but the iconic Al Michaels calling these on ABC, those days were truly great

[@MegaMadDog88]

And this is why I laugh when people say Tom Brady's NOT an athlete or just not athletic whatsoever. He got drafted to play catcher in the MLB for Montreal for crying out loud.😂 Like, yeah, okay when you compare Him and Peyton Manning to the QB's of TODAY, sure I gotcha. These guys nowadays just coming out of college with premium athleticism. However, Coach Belichick had Brady running plenty of bootlegs, roll-outs and reverse roll-outs in his career and STILL exhibits great pocket feet. It's just he's not Michael Vick or Lamar Jackson. Then again, noone else are those guys either.

[@theproperenglishman]

He shows tremendous arm talent here…

[@MegaMadDog88]

@@theproperenglishman Is this sarcasm?😂

[@theproperenglishman]

@@MegaMadDog88 huh? No. His arm looks great. Terrific zip on a lot of these throws…

[@MegaMadDog88]

@@theproperenglishman You're all good man! I was making sure I was understanding you correctly because there are still a lot of people that think Tom needs to stop playing because he's not the same anymore/is too old.😂

[@PhoenixRiseup577]

2004 really old but why reference is to close get hit some one

[@codyyoung5784]

Other people probably feel the same way about football from the 70's and 80's but for me football from the 90's and 2000 was so much more enjoyable to watch.. I used to love watching games during that time, and now I couldn't care less if I watch any.

[@GL88]

How calm was Brady @1:50

[@davidspeedrunner9981]

13:40 "Infield Fly Rule is in effect" lmao

[@bjtaylor4235]

guess we know where manning got it from... 1:49

[@ME-wq8lq]

In 01 the pats won they're 1st Superbowl. I was 21. Then the red sox one it in 04 and all the pats and sox others along the way. Im Goin on 44 now and Brady is retired and now Bergeron. Im certainly feeling my age. But damn am i thankful for being able to experience all that in my lifetime/prime years😊

[@NBKRizzo]

Schedule makers was cooking with this one

[@taasen58]

Never seen Marvin Harrison take a direct shot from any defenders.

[@LDuca]

Even though I already know the outcome of this game, it's still so stressful watching this game. Lol. Man I miss this Era

[@SmugTomato]

Vanderjagt got blasted for this loss but that horrible sack that Peyton took the play before is what cost them. Turned what would have been a pretty easy FG into a relatively difficult attempt since 45+ yards was no guarantee back in '04. Helluva play by McGinest there.

[@PedroMartinez-tt7lr]

EXACTLY

[@gbrow1604]

I mean, the offensive line did let the defender right past them.

[@coreybarrett1001]

classic

[@natetete1379]

Manning on 4th and 1 is still my favorite play of his career. He even ran the whole time. He wanted yards!

[@richardmorris3895]

couldn't be a critical, heartbreaking early aughts colts loss without vanderjagt blowing it at the end

[@Speedyreedy1218]

A lot of Indy fans complained about not winning a lot of SBs because of not having a defense at this time. You had some studs on D. Bethea, Freeney, et al. Dungy just didn't have that next level coaching consistency BB does.

[@TheLocalLt]

Their whole salary cap was spent on their offense, they made up for their undersized defense by being about speed, that’s the Polian formula, it’s the same reason why the Bills always lost in the Super Bowl when he was the GM there: against physical teams, especially on the road, you can manhandle the defense and just play keep-away from the high-powered offense. Belichick and Parcells’ game plan to do exactly that vs Polian’s Bills in the Super Bowl is now the only game plan on display at the Hall of Fame, it was simply a more extreme version of Parcells’ “pass to score, run to win” philosophy. The Giants (with a backup quarterback) ran the ball over and over against Buffalo’s undersized defense and ended up with over 40 minutes of possession time, keeping Polian’s highly-touted offense on the sideline, and that’s the exact formula Belichick used against Polian’s Colts during the Manning era: during the playoff rematch this same year, the Patriots likewise ran it down the throat of the Colts undersized defense for 40 minutes of possession time and held Manning, who set the TD pass record during the regular season, without a TD in the playoff game.

[@jonmichael3280]

The 04 squad is the greatest Patriots team ever assembled.. Can't count 07 for obvious reasons!

[@TheLocalLt]

2004 team was better than 07, for a variety of reasons but most importantly the 07 team played mediocre-to-poor the entire second half of the season, and played its two worst games of the season in the AFC Championship and Super Bowl against decent opponents, while the 04 team was at its best in the playoffs and slaughtered formidable opponents (including putting up 41 in Pittsburgh on the road in the AFC title game)

[@KasanovaKee325]

What about the 2016 Patriots. That year was nothing but good football from them. Solid running game with Blount. Solid defense. Monster TE set with Gronkowski and Bennett. And let’s not forget the solid WR core of Edelman, Amendola, Hogan, and Mitchell.

[@jonmichael3280]

@@KasanovaKee325 I think the 2014 team is second greatest. 2016 was great too!

[@TheLocalLt]

@@KasanovaKee325 I think the 2014 team, which beat a murderers row of 5 straight division leaders, is probably their second best SB winner, and the 2016 team was essentially a stripped-down version of that squad so I’d have to put them behind 2014 for that reason and for the fact that they played a very weak schedule especially in comparison to the 2014 team. A big factor was Manning’s retirement which essentially left the AFC wide open for the Patriots from 2016-18 when their team got weaker every year but they kept making the Super Bowl each time. But that last year, 2018, Patrick Mahomes took over in KC and they emerged as a major AFC threat, who the Patriots narrowly managed to hold off in the AFC Championship on the way to their last title.

[@nicholasvandal6948]

I was at this game! Wicked weird weather. It was raining as we tailgated, but nice inside Gillette. Toby Keith destiny’s child and Lenny kravitz…Vanderjagt missed the field goal from our seats in the stadium, laughed my ass off 😂 8 months later I was in the navy in boot camp. What a great year! My red Sox won it all! The patriots were a budding dynasty

[@Presidentenumerouno]

Closes thing you'll see next to jim brown (edgerrin james)...but he was his own man a freak of nature who inflicted pain back

[@AJ_savage16]

Out of all the Patriots super bowl winning teams the 04 team might have been the best out of all their dominant on both sides of the ball and Brady was in his prime too

[@andreveach7520]

Miss having John 'learn us' about the game whilst we view

[@chrisa3289]

Swear Peyton was cursed against this team

[@PedroMartinez-tt7lr]

He can't take that sack right before the FG attempt. Cost the Colts a chance at OT.

[@astrostar49]

BTW I know this is weeks in advance, but maybe when the 49ers play the Dolphins this year you can possibly spotlight the 1986 "No Montana no problem game" between the 49ers and Dolphins or the 1995 "No Steve Young no problem game" between the 49ers and Dolphins on MNF. Just a suggestion. Thanks!!!

[@NFLVault]

I got you!

[@astrostar49]

@@NFLVault Ok boss I know it'll be a gem whatever you decide to do. Thanks!

[@tyreepowell8367]

@@NFLVault This Is The Greatest Classic Football 🏈 Game Of All Time Between Brady Vs Manning.

[@dis6900]

Spygate era Pats...gotta love them! lol

[@mjf2891]

That wasn’t illegal until 2006

[@mjwatts1983]

First Kickoff Game to feature the defending champions I remember watching this in the M-Div berthing onboard the Vinson while we were on pre-deployment workups

[@LmdsLucas]

what a game 🔥

[@gabevlogs]

Ahhh the good old days. When we were good

[@ryan200520]

Beyond insane and very interesting 😮 to hear the goat, Tom Brady, use the pre-snap call of “Omaha” @ 1:48 in the #TNF NFL opener in September 2004!

[@Fireyninjadog]

The colts offense got snowed on in the divisional round also in Foxborough

[@1986-r2c]

Brady owns Manning!

[@gbrow1604]

3 AFCCG losses?

[@ZuluGamingSeries]

Actually manning is 3-1 against Brady in the afc championships

[@nicholasvandal6948]

TOMMY YELLED OMAHA AT 1:50 😂

[@johnhebert3855]

The last time a Patriot running back had more yards running in a single season was: _____? answer: NEVER! What an acquisition he was.

[@omarfigueroa188]

So is it this game that Manning got Omaha from? 🤔

[@birdo623]

VanderDouche doing what he does best🤣🤣🤣

[@MrBruinman86]

Something off about the crowd noise. Sounds canned.

[@sleigh4019]

Good ol Vanderchoke

[@tomrachellesfirstdance7843]

Seems so odd now to see the umpire lining up like an extra linebacker back then 😂 Nfl this time was the best, physical, bigger stronger players grass fields! I miss the old slopp fests. Nice to see cornerbacks being able to get hands on the receivers more.

[@tyreepowell8367]

RIP David Patten

[@MarkMeadows90]

Brady saying Omaha as well. Manning saying, “Hey, that’s my line!” Lol

[@shattadawes]

Look at how great these receivers look because of the 🐐 Only man on earth who have us looking back saying “they were a good bunch” but they actually wasn’t 😂😂

[@royhunt1690]

They helped him be great by running their patterns well. Guaranteed Brady would agree with me.

[@shattadawes]

They made it work but those teams had no number one,Branch was pretty good but he was a number 2-3 receiver with any other QB

[@kyletgillooly93]

Rip David Patten

[@Speedyreedy1218]

I'm a Pats fan. But when I hear Micheals call Reggie Wayne "their number two receiver," even I feel insulted. Quit playing like Peyton didn't have two #1 wideouts on the same squad.

[@Speedyreedy1218]

Ahh, the year the NFL changed the rule because Rodney was so dominant! #37ForTheNFLHallOfFame

[@halamadridpatriotsnationgo1057]

Patriots: Real Madrid! Colts: Ajax!

[@mjwatts1983]

16:15 Vandershank

[@PedroMartinez-tt7lr]

Imagine if Peyton doesn't completely ignore blitzing Willie McGinest and take a 15 yard-loss to make it a much more difficult FG

[@Blackphillipsupporter]

16:20 looks like Vrabel faked calling time out lol

[@timmyboy6866]

I miss the time when the Colts have Peyton Manning under center so much.

[@benelias3556]

The only thing better than watching Patrick Mahomes lose is watching Peyton Manning lose

[@-dystopic-]

What a great fucking game!

[@tyreepowell8367]

Awesome Football 🏈 Game 🎮

[@devcurtis29]

Would the Dolphins Chiefs 1971 playoff game be a possibility in the future?

[@Marvo_32]

Stokley was that guy

[@viviandarkbloom100]

Manning didnt see the McGinest blitz....otherwise this game goes on to OT I think. Great opener though.

[@nickholloway8783]

Do the Packers vs the Lions game in 2002. 20 years ago the first game ever in ford field

[@brandlyscottconner9824]

18 Years Ago

[@RUSSBOSKI88]

Colts were the only team that played a cover 2 all game and against great qbs they would get picked apart Imagine a qb knowing what kind of defense your playing every play

[@conkov5968]

That wasn't the only time Manning got screwed over by his kicker that season...

[@PedroMartinez-tt7lr]

How about if he doesn't take a 15 yard sack right before the attempt???? 😉

[@butterbeanfarmer7952]

Brady was always the better than sliced bread

[@holdenrayl7953]

Did Vanderjagt ever make a clutch kick? Seems like the only kicks I’ve seen him make in big spots are horrible

[@lukemiller2557]

Colts had several of opportunities to win this game...

[@jeff8ball]

Madden at the end of this game...'this is what NFL football is all about and when it's not like this, it should be'. He'd be sickened if he saw what the NFL has turned into today in 2023.

[@gio957]

I'm getting some Chiefs Ravens vibes from that game.

[@Charizard1993]

allen vs. mahomes

[@GregzVR]

I bet Brady will sign a one-day contract to retire a Patriot, when he's _eventually_ done, in 2029.

[@GRNKRBY]

That day is this Sunday.

[@Yos_7777]

Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes is now the top QB rivalry. Joe is and will continue to dominate pat

[@MoeTheDiabolical]

Vanderjat cost the colts too many games he's the reason why they lost to Steelers in 05-06 missing field goals wide right. Just imagine the colts having a decent kicker how many super bowls they would of won.

[@PedroMartinez-tt7lr]

Imagine if Peyton doesn't completely ignore blitzing Willie McGinest and take a 15 yard-loss to make it a much more difficult FG

[@greatestnitemare6626]

Foxborough was always the house of horrors for Peyton. I think he was 2-8 in his career there. His first year was in 1998. Peyton did not win a game in Foxborough until 2005. Holy f

[@GRNKRBY]

Clock Killing Corey Dillon!

[@kylesunderman6489]

Nothing quite like your "idiot kicker" losing the game for you

[@PedroMartinez-tt7lr]

Imagine if Peyton doesn't completely ignore blitzing Willie McGinest and take a 15 yard-loss to make it a much more difficult FG

[@monsterpaul9456]

You bet your ass I was here

[@kaantekuzman4536]

The Vanderjerk game

[@PedroMartinez-tt7lr]

Imagine if Peyton doesn't completely ignore blitzing Willie McGinest and take a 15 yard-loss to make it a much more difficult FG

[@kaantekuzman4536]

@@PedroMartinez-tt7lr I agree, back in the day, he took a lot of unnecessary sacks.