BRAND NEW: Magnus Carlsen Pummelled By Jospem

Magnus Carlsen Pummelled By Jose Martinez (Jospem)! Magnus Carlsen and Jospem played this chess game in Titled Tuesday Blitz Chess, early, 5th March 2024.
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[@emperorofmankindog]

Interesting....

[@MichaKurzewski]

Suspicious...

[@moritzfesseler8460]

Maybe Kramnik has a point here...

[@fredericmateus5078]

@@moritzfesseler8460 Exactly what I think.

[@RaniaIsAwesome]

I think Kramnik just creamed himself. Thing is Jospem could if he is cheating simply "lose" a few in a row against good players and noone can prove anything.

[@MentokTheMindTaker]

This is the same attitude that lead people to accuse Hans of cheating OTB even tho it was proven Magnus just played a bad game. The fact is that Magnus blundered in this game and Jospem capitalised on it

[@jf3518]

I think Magnus should not play against Jospem anymore, because he is just going to lose anyway.

[@zizhdizzabagus456]

He will lose when jospem wants, draws when jospem wants and win too. Jospen not stupid he will not win every game against Magnus

[@lz1420]

He woud do it with pleasure in person

[@JohnDoe-hr4xj]

Let's hope nobody is going Niemann on this kid without evidence.

[@Narrowcros]

Lot of Carlsen asslickers, so your hope is doubtful

[@Averagebum21]

Kramnik already has.

[@keithtorrence2487]

What does that mean?

[@TheSoulBlossom]

There is evidence...

[@MentokTheMindTaker]

​@@TheSoulBlossom What's the evidence?

[@stagna1959]

6:36 Check your checks and captures first ! 1.Qe8+ Kh7 2.f5 ! was not so hard to find. He is not some 1800 novice, but 2700 in OTB blitz as well .I am pretty sure he saw cracks in black king position well before he played it and Carlsen gave him the attack on silver platter when he removed his own queen from protection duties of kingside position.black bishop and knight just could not deal with white attack with queen, bishop and rook

[@TheSoulBlossom]

People are gullible

[@eekwibble]

I hope you feel better soon. I've really gotten into your breakdowns in the last couple of weeks. They're really nice and easy to watch and follow along. It's great to see the goat is human after all. Still the goat, but a fantastic game from Jose, there.

[@epicchess2021]

Thanks a lot and glad to hear you're enjoying, cheers for watching!

[@kika7497]

Title should have been Magnus blunders.. I don't even think Jose would be practically proud of this win. He was behind until the blunder

[@marcosalazar4682]

Getting your opponent to blunder by creating a complex position is a skill though.

[@MrLordLowbob]

magnus won a lot of games on this channel that he shouldn't have won either if both players played clean games, so magnus isnt good right?

[@Narrowcros]

He still should be proud, thats the nature of blitz even at the top level

[@life_score]

That’s the only way to lose in chess, either you blunder in one move or many moves 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@MegamanStarforce2010]

black was in a major attacking position for most of the game, you could hardly call him 'behind'

[@uniktbrukernavn]

It was funny seeing Kramnik being beaten by much younger players and blocking them, and I was like "bitter old man yelling at clouds", but now that my favorite player has been beaten it's not so funny any more!!!!!1 Anyway Magnus spent 35 seconds making that blunder move so I think he's to blame. He obviously overestimated his own position.

[@chbrown]

Kramnik has already said that he'd play this kid OTB any day. Can't wait for it.

[@CarmeloPiccione]

2:34: I'm notorious for never moving my queen side bishop until move 30+ so definitely want to check out that video this Wednesday!

[@hanswust6972]

Wonderful combination.

[@movdqa]

Hikaru has always had a healthy respect for Jospem and that's good enough for me.

[@floeckchen666]

Release the Vlad.

[@juancarlosavila1853]

I think this ism ore of a blunder rather than a big win

[@Narrowcros]

All people have to make mistakes to lose, your not saying much

[@kurzackd]

2:03 -- who was that guy in the B&W portrait top-right side again? :O I *KNOW* the name, but it just eludes me at the moment... :S .

[@armynyus9123]

Siegbert Tarrasch, German grandmaster.

[@steelsteez6118]

Nooooo waaaay , hadn't seen that Peter Leko clip 😂😂. So good. Never would have imagined that Leko let's loose like that. Looks like he inspired Aronian to come up and dance too!

[@epicchess2021]

😂

[@The-wu6uo]

Everyone was against Kramnik when he accused Jospem of cheating. Now that he has beaten Magnus, the same people have turned against Jospem. Fickle minds.

[@rhwing5095]

Well, were you on the anti-Kramink bandwagon yourself or no? I've watched Kramnik's streams and he's pretty tempered in his "accusations". Most of the drama videos involving Kramnik are very biased and don't really capture the whole picture. He can be very wrong but it's something which is worth to look at, not simply ridicule. He's asking questions which everyone should actually be asking. He doesn't like to play IM's online but is more than happy to play (and lose) to the best OTB players, like Magnus. In the last TT he took out several strong GM's including Fabi (while playing poorly), but lost that game to Jospem. All online results (particularly of "blitz specialists" should be taken with a grain of salt. Not that they can't be legit (they are likely legit much more often than not). Yet it's also almost certain that some of these players are cheating, as many have attested. There's much more room for a little foul play. Martinez can be #20 in the world in blitz or online with a legitimate claim to the position, that's fine. But he's #185 on the classical, "formal" list, where he's had no improvement in 4 years, which should remain the primary metric.

[@The-wu6uo]

@@rhwing5095 I have stayed neutral mostly. But I have at times felt that Kramnik went too far like with the Hikaru accusation.

[@mathewpankratz5767]

lol why should that remain the primary metric? A lot of people are worse with longer time controls. My blitz rating is way higher than my classical rating.

[@mcronrn]

Haha you think James considers Jospem a cheat? Analysis is your passion, huh? 🤣🤣

[@keithtorrence2487]

I haven’t turned against Jospem.

[@bonestomp]

Magnus.. perform the procedure.

[@MrAkirillov]

2 best players in the world should play against each other. Hans vs Jospem

[@zizhdizzabagus456]

In this case I can join, I also know how to install stockfish😂

[@DerekSmith-nd8op]

Check out Kramnik's latest argument from his channel; it's pretty compelling. He identifies three categories: (1) Untouchables: Magnus and Hikaru - considered the absolute best; (2) Touchables: a group of former or current top 10 players, strong in online blitz, and (3) Online Prodigies: Very skilled online but weaker in physical (OTB) blitz. The data show Groups 1 (Untouchables) and 2 (Touchables) are fairly evenly matched. Interestingly, 3 players from group 3 specifically excel against group 2 (winning 40% of matches) but get crushed by Hikaru. This finding is intriguing to chess legend Kramnik.

[@AtomicOnionTree]

You play a 3 minute time format and try and use an engine to cheat without losing on time.

[@m-mori]

​@@AtomicOnionTreeYou have no clue how cheating with an engine works, do you?

[@birutabatuta]

@@m-moriI have no clue either. Can you explain to us, peasants, how are ppl cheating online blitz games?

[@davidjames149]

@@AtomicOnionTree only takes about 3-5 seconds per move to look at the engine and play the move.

[@Trephining]

⁠@@davidjames149And I’d imagine they don’t need to be spending time using the engine on every move, just a few critical ones is all takes to make the difference, especially when tactics are in the air and precision is required to avoid disaster.

[@williamtenholder3391]

Simply.... A great game !!! Congratulations 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@threethrushes]

Peter Leco is a madman. Get him on the show!

[@peterviola9008]

*Leko

[@Trephining]

I support having any/all madmen on, absolutely

[@pulykamell]

@@peterviola9008 *Lékó :)

[@leonpastis4663]

Even I saw that pawn move and I am only a 1900 ELO player.

[@keytothegate68]

The line master

[@chasebethersonton5169]

0:17 By having a Stockfish mod in your Chess app?

[@Mike.hvggvhjhfd]

What are you talking about

[@martijnheeroma5492]

Oops, bad day for Magnus. thanks for posting

[@whosaidiwantedahandle]

Muy interesante

[@unholysix6883]

Kramnik in shambles.

[@KiiroSagi]

Mags blunder was not dealing with the fianchetto bishop on time. I don't even think his check attempt was a blunder, rather it was a realization that his position was already lost and he would not get a better opportunity to win the game. Mag's general strategy is simplifying positions and then dominating the endgame; going for the early mate is unlik him and I believe that is why.

[@Christoff070]

This game fascinated me. Once Magnus gave up his dark squared bishop, it felt like Josem's attack became irresistible, and attacking moves flowed easily. I wonder how Magnus could have defended it better..

[@epicchess2021]

Rook e1 was engine's top move before the blunder, the Queen then stays in touch with f5 so the pawn can't push there plus from e1 the rook stops bishop e2 in combination with the black Queen on h5

[@Christoff070]

​@@epicchess2021ahh good one, thanks mate, yeah Peter Leko's dancing would have been pretty distracting, rumour has it, that it's these dance moves he used, to seduce Beyonce..

[@TheSoulBlossom]

The plot thickens huh...

[@joseraulcapablanca8564]

A nice result for Joseph, more of a blunder by Magnus, but you have to keep giving them chances to blunder. Thanks James.

[@Daniel-qx6bg]

Vlad watched this 25 times already.

[@BO55N355]

Guys stop with the "Jospem didn't really win because Magnus blundered" stuff lol. There was only one move to capitalize on the blunder and he found it (in blitz by the way). Second best move would've put him 5 points down.

[@KravMagoo]

A large number of the games Magnus wins are games where he is either down or even, and he just keeps himself alive long enough for his opponent to make a mistake. Outlasting your opponent is just as important as beating your opponent.

[@BobWhoosta1]

Thank you for not playing on the cheating allegations at all in this video. It would be easy to exploit the drama for clicks but you refrained. There's nothing in this game that looks fishy to me, especially considering Jospem was behind all game. Nothing in the Kramnik game either, but that's another story.

[@CarmeloPiccione]

Agreed. Cheating didn't cross my mind even once while watching that video (except for the brief mention by epic chess at the intro).

[@thegorn]

I just played an 11 move miniature on chess.com and the evaluation was 100%, but changed to 99.7 after I did a second evaluation. Kramnik would undertake the procedure. 😂

[@epicchess2021]

hahaha nice

[@williamtenholder3391]

Brilliant chess ... Right !!

[@stevenwilson5556]

I saw that pawn move!! I feel like I accomplished something! I hardly *ever* see the killer move but I saw that one! Woop woop

[@epicchess2021]

haha nice work not easy

[@Trephining]

I missed that one, but it does feel pretty great the times I do see the moves he pauses and says [paraphrasing] “see if you can find the winning move for black/white”.

[@jblglw]

Kramnik wasn't always an ass, probably.

[@sinking1902]

Ok let’s do the procedure. 😂

[@CheckmateSurvivor]

Magnus was thinking about the next alien invasion. You can't win at chess when you are about to be invaded by aliens.

[@MichaKurzewski]

I never knew that I needed IQP abbreviation in my life.... until now.

[@CarmeloPiccione]

Isolated Queen Pawn is almost as annoying to say as it is to play with.

[@sesanti]

But he blundered. For example when I hang my queen, is my opponent cheating?

[@AndrewKeifer]

You can imagine that Danny Rench and folks are going to be extra careful about cheating allegations this time around after that whole business with Mr. "Chess speaks for itself."

[@michaelmassaro4375]

Wow it does seem like Magnus just totally missed that line I’m going to have to give it another look myself I don’t think it was the easiest one to spot it’s kind of ironic though the Guy Kramlik implies Cheated turns around and defeats Magnus in a way it kind of makes him seem almost more Suspicious since Magnus is so Invincible I find that amusing Thanks for the Game James feel Better soon

[@chriscoates5312]

Nice

[@darthkek1953]

Glad it wasn't some kind of 100% precise engine-looking win, just a real win by a real player.

[@gorgit]

Thats exactly what a chat gpt would say...

[@darthkek1953]

@@gorgit I'm sorry, but in order to achieve racial equity I can only talk to nonwhites.

[@Atilolzz]

If Jose cheats, his bot sure sucks

[@lassekristoffersen5906]

Jospem...soon to be my favorit to check out.

[@CriminaIlyInsane]

How are these grandmasters like magnus, anish, alizera, caruana look like kids. While past grandmasters when they were the same age as them, like kasparov, karpov, boby fisher, tal looked like adults ?

[@andrejg3086]

Low testosteron

[@Trephining]

Food supply is different? Maybe different drinking/smoking habits? Sun exposure differences due to the prevalence of using computers all the time?

[@madzilla14]

"Pony" ?? --- You've got to stop .... (This is big time serious Chess here. Isn't it?) ... OK, You are incorrigible. 👑 Epic

[@epicchess2021]

I feel like we're just getting started! So many different ways to call it, pony, horsey, horse, steed, knight, bastion, springer etc

[@Trephining]

@@epicchess2021Could take it to black belt level by making some horrible My Little Pony references and inserting some related images. Would wash away any possible ideas of accusing you of taking testosterone supplements, lololol.

[@scottekoontz]

Magnus blundered, just like several other games against -200 Elo players where he lost. If you are consistent, then no cheating here, same as no cheating in prior Magnus losses.

[@giovannip8600]

Interesting game .... 😂😂😂😂

[@mizofan]

Magnus blundered, no evidence of cheating.

[@lew3733]

No way to tell based on this game whether anyone is cheating or not. Magnus' blunder was not obvious at all for a blitz game. You can look at top level blitz games - they often have eval bar swinging up and down later in the game(in other words they're "blundering"). If someone is engine cheating in a complex position down by "-1.4", they'll almost certainly win against any one in a blitz game. No one with a brain is going to cheat by playing top engines moves all the time or have eval bar consistently on their side.

[@yggdrasil9039]

Magnus blunder. My gf's sick atm as well. Must be something going around. Get well mate. Ginger and lemon works for me.

[@cImIcak]

Iam kramnick just kidding

[@u.v.s.5583]

A not unsuspicious game, I have to say. Jospem is orders of magnitude more suspicious than HMN himself.

[@kewkabe]

What's suspicious about this game at all? The eval bar was in Magnus' favor almost the whole game until he blundered.

[@richardsmith9615]

@@kewkabe Game in isolation is fine, the issue is the consistency with which Jospem continually crushes the world's best players in miniatures.

[@user-tr2li3vu6u]

Now i'm not saying that this peruvian guy is using cheats but... barely getting a draw with a 300 point lower rated player over the board yet defeating world champions online seemingly without breaking a sweat and calculating 10 line deep sacrifices within seconds does arouse my curiosity

[@sHaterred-vh7cs]

Exactly his otb chess not so good online prodigy kids know how to use computer

[@andresv.8880]

The difference is in the time control bud

[@910Jaro]

peruvian?

[@RaniaIsAwesome]

​@@sHaterred-vh7cs His OTB blitz is fairly high (2703 or 23rd in the world), but then I found out that most of his opponents are rated far lower than him and not GMs. He had a few good runs, for example he beat Shirov and another guy over 2600 which got his rating so high, but it's generally non-GM 2100-2400 players he seems to come along and wipe the field with. And he hasn't done well in blitz since March 2020. He's for sure a pretty decent player beating those 2300s so regularly without even a draw, his classic rating is 2603. There's some possibility he's not cheating especially if it was a one-off, but it's all kind of very suspicious especially the 6-0 Kramnik thing.

[@denizorsel1029]

That attacking idea is unnatural by white. It is on Tal, Fischer, Murphy level. It looks like a grind at first but the depth you have to calculate to ensure it will work is 76 moves while playing blitz against the world's best. If you are emotionless then sure but having human traits makes it unnatural. Also the choice to give up a pawn for gaining momentum in mid game once again against Magnus so comfortably is telling like We are not same Meme.

[@daviddurbin7682]

Jospem isn't cheating. He has been beaten multiple times by all top players and has also beaten them. Just ridiculous.

[@vnshngpnt]

Of course he is not winning every game otherwise that would be suspicious. But he's obvious cheater 🤷‍♂

[@alfredhorstman]

Been beaten says nothing. But I am not saying he is cheating

[@mizofan]

@@vnshngpnt But where is the evidence of cheating here? In which games does he clearly cheat?

[@tomatoisnotafruit5670]

Not saying Jospem cheated in this game, but I am saying that Jospem is a cheater.

[@456death654]

Exchange french eww. But I love playing exchange caro lol

[@Trephining]

Caro-Kann is so much more fun to say. That’s a big difference for me. I don’t want to tell my friends that I use the French defense, and I don’t want to lie, so I just don’t use it, 🤣😜🤪.

[@michaelallport5816]

"most stupidiest". Dear Lord!

[@epicchess2021]

Haha my English degree serving me well

[@sakerberg4512]

:D

[@Dotain5minutes]

flawless play. almost too good to be true

[@entertainingvideos1351]

Oh yeah I thought that photo looked familiar! Saw that vid about him cheating a couple days ago, now this win confirms it.

[@roqsteady5290]

How so? Magnus blundered, which is why he lost. Even Stockfish couldn’t have predicted that!?

[@barnabasastrofengia5345]

It’s truly only impressive if the player can win consistently OTB and online... … as it’s far too easier to find ways to cheat online than it is to cheat OTB

[@andrejg3086]

Krammik was right about this guy.

[@johneamy]

Your English language skills are remarkable except for: the most stupidest of lines.....😊

[@epicchess2021]

Haha and thanks

[@user-ct1se9kn8v]

Jospem has always cheated

[@KiiroSagi]

I don't think he cheated here, all his moves were natural and easy to follow.

[@zainquadri1206]

​​@@KiiroSagiNot true... Please explain Be2 followed by Bd3... Also pawn f5... If Magnus missed f5 it's not as obvious as you claim...

[@KiiroSagi]

@@zainquadri1206 He's attacking the king's corner, same thing he ended up doing with the other bishop so it is natural to his strategy which is going for mate. Yes it's natural to develop pieces but that isn't necessary if you already have a gambit or strategy in mind especially as white. It's not that Magnus didn't see pawn f5, (Mag is not missing pawn moves) but that Mag didn't have any way to avoid it. He lost the game a long time ago (position wise). The only thing I can say is the win felt unnaturally clean given how Mag has been playing this year but you can't really fault someone of 3K ELO for not blundering in 20 moves.

[@andreasnigl72]

​@@zainquadri1206It is not so diffcult to explain be2 and later bd3. If he plays it instead of Be2, Magnus was ready to exchange it with Bf5. So he waited till this move is possible. By the way Jospem is a very good attacing player, so i think he had allready f5 in mind, otherwise his play would have made no sence.

[@theNfl_Esq]

He probably cheated. Axe Magnus.

[@zainquadri1206]

Jospem is definitely a cheater 100%

[@rewindforward2865]

I reiterate, this guy from Peru is a cheater. Kramnik is a whistle blower, and he is correct. I dare him to face Magnus face to face and not online.

[@user-ll5fw9ul2f]

So you agree that Hans when playing face to face with Magnus is not cheating, right? 😅

[@rewindforward2865]

Face to face, Hans was not cheating. The match in which Hans beat Magnus was an exceptional occurrence. And an exception cannot be an example.