Brandon Sanderson EXPOSED as a PLAGIARIST: Between Two Perns Author Interview

Support me on Patreon to help me do more interviews: / jacksondickert
I used to really look up to Brandon. I did not think it would have to come to this. He forced my hand.
There's more takedown in the description below when you're done watching.
Check out the "Yumi and the Nightmare Painter" book club over on ‪@BrandSanderson‬ 's KZbin channel: • Exploring Artistic Rea...
Buy my book: amzn.to/3F0cGkt
Jackson R.R. Dickert's Twitter: / jacksondauthor
Bestselling Author^2 Jackson Dickert's Instagram: / jacksondauthor
My (biased) Recommended Writing Software: www.campfirewriting.com
Brandon Sanderson graciously invited me to be a part of his "Yumi and the Nightmare Painter" book club. While we were there, I learned I would have the opportunity to make a video with Brandon. I love Brandon's work and have followed him closely for years. Listening to his podcast, watching his college lectures, and generally hero-worshipping him like so many others. I was going to ask him writing and worldbuilding questions, but when I really got down to it, I couldn't think of a single question to ask that I had not heard him answer countless times across his other content.
So my brain did what it does best, and my next idea was: How can I turn this into a bit?
I only had a few hours to prepare for the interview. I'm generally very comfortable in front of cameras and large audiences (I was a theater kid, I know, big shocker if you know anything about my personality). Needless to say, when I sat down on that couch to interview Brandon, I was terrified. I don't get nervous or embarrassed much these days from years of purposefully embarrassing myself for laughs. But I was beyond anxious about this interview. I couldn't help but fret about Brandon taking one of the jokes the wrong way, about offending this person I look up to so much.
"Between Two Ferns" is scripted. This video was not. I had questions to ask, but Brandon had no idea what they were going to be. He knew the show was in the vein of Between Two Ferns, so I told him to just play along, be himself, do whatever felt right in the moment so we'd get Brandon as himself having fun and playing along, rather than trying to do a specific character.
I was nervous when we sat down on the couch. But Brandon smiled and shook my hand and we talked for a few minutes and by the end, I felt much more at ease. I can't thank him enough for agreeing to do my silly video idea with me, for his encouragement, and for his compliments afterwards. It all meant the world to me. The one thing you have to know about Brandon is that he's a dad at heart. It comes through in all things he does. It comes through in the things he gets excited about, in the way he interacts with people, and the way he'll commit to the bit harder than anyone else. If you have to know one thing about Brandon, it's that he's genuine.
Thanks again for the interview, Brandad. I mean. Brandon. And thanks for your S-tier pun idea and suggesting that we steal two copies of "Dragonriders of Pern" from your library to use in the background. I can take zero credit for the name of the show. That was all Brandon. He should be a writer, or something.
Credits:
Mr. Beast Video: • Survive 100 Days In Ci...
Brandon Montage Video: • The Year of Sanderson ...
Big Brain Green Screen Video Template: • Big Brain Green Screen...
They already fixed Corin Tellado's Wikipedia. Nobody works faster than Wikipedia contributors: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cor%C3%...
Sho'Del fan art used I found here: coppermind.net/wiki/Sho_Del and the artist's name is Maria Lia Malandrino.
Main Between Two Perns theme is: Hit the Lights by Twin Musicom
Hit the Lights by Twin Musicom is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. creativecommons.org/licenses/...
Artist: www.twinmusicom.org/
Big Brain Song is: Twelve Speed by Slynk
Scary music I used was: Dark Tension Rising Music by Mattia Cupelli.
Link to Mattia's video: • Dark Tension Rising Mu...
Link to the free license to use download: mattiacupelli.gumroad.com/l/a...
Shoutout to my photoshop kings. Jacob Dickert, Adam Bassett, and Cole Field.
00:00 Sneak Peek
00:10 Introductions
00:28 Brandon's Middle Name
00:59 Pen Names
01:49 Author Name Hack
02:09 Blackmailing Brandon
03:22 Earning The R's
04:08 Brandon's Wordcount
05:44 Brandon's Writing Speed
06:36 Writing Tools
08:08 I Almost Un-Alived
09:51 The Fantasy Man
10:37 The Scalzi Award
11:23 Mr. Beast x Brandon
13:51 Paintball
14:51 Ice Cream
15:39 Plagiarizing
16:24 Magic Systems
17:54 The Novella I'm Writing For Brandon Confirmed
19:17 Adverbs
20:49 Writing Exercise
24:45 Next Time

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

Does John Scalzi have the guts to agree to an interview with publishing's hardest hitting interviewer? Will he agree to step on the infamous Lego trophy? Only one way to find out. x.com/JacksonDAuthor/status/1705260474005102621?s=20 The next episode of Between Two Perns is with bestselling author of "Legends and Lattes", Travis Baldree. It comes out September 29th, 2023.

[@lyledal]

You might try hitting him up on somewhere other than X. He's on Mastodon and BlueSky and engages his audience on both.

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

@@lyledal I actually ran into him at New York Comic Con last week and then again this week at an event in Nashville. Unfortunately, he was too busy at both events to make an interview work but... I'll keep at him!

[@DanielGreeneReviews]

Sanderson killing the founder of campfire is the timeline we all deserve.

[@ObsidianHoax]

Yes please

[@rslambert1]

Hey Daniel! Ordering another of your books, and love your content. Hopefully your move went well, and you are adjusting?

[@arzabael]

@@rslambert1 dude

[@MadDogRyan]

I mean that would be Dark Brandon… Sanderson

[@merphynapier42]

PLEASE DON'T CALL A SPECIES THE UNDULATING JACKSON STOP GIVING HIM IDEAS!

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

It seems like a good name to me. Very epic. Very fantasy. I don't see the issue 😏

[@thefriesofLockeLamora]

😂😂😂😂

[@storyspren]

I hadn't got that far when I read this comment I read that as "the undulating jackson" and not "the undulating" 😂

[@Zillionman2010]

I'm fine with the name as long as at least once a chapter one of the characters begins undulating moistly.

[@CriticalAuthor]

Hamlet's Undulation: To Undulate, or not to undulate, that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in mind to undulate The slings and arrows of outrageous undulation, Or to take undulation against a sea of undulating troubles And by opposing the undulated. To die- to undulate, No more: and by a undulated end The heart-ache and the thousands undulating shocks That flesh is heir to: 'tis an undulation Undulatingly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep; To sleep, undulated to dream-ay, there's the undulation For in that undulated death what hate may come, When we have undulated of this undulating coil, Undulation give us pause-there's the respect That makes Undulating of so long life. For who would undulate the whips and scorns of undulation, Th'oppressor's wrong, the proud man's undulation, The pangs of dispriz'd undulation, the law's delay, The undulating insolence of word hate, and the spurns That patient undulated merit of th'unworthy undulation, When herself might her undulating make With a bare undulation? Who would fardels hate, To undulate and be undulating under a weary life, But that the dread of undulation after death, The undiscovere'd undulation, from whose words No travellar undulates, undulating the will, And makes us undulate to bear those ill undulations Than fly to the undulators that we know of? Thus undulating conscience doth make undulators of us all, And thus native hue of undulation Is sicklied o'er with pale cast of undulation, And enterises of great undulators undulating With this regard their current undulation turn awry And lose the hate of the word undulate. Merphy's Undulated Haiku: I Hate Undulate Undulating Forever Undulation

[@AerialBluezBird]

Breaking news: Brandon Sanderson reveals new patent-based magic system.

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

s-tier comment

[@134Waffle]

This man is out here living everyone’s dream of crying in the Elantris bathroom 😢

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

the toilet paper is like 12 ply so it can absorb a lot of tears

[@JonPaulHart]

Heck, I'd pay GOOD money to get food poisoning in the Elantris bathroom.

[@Free_Range_Hippo]

“-ert is brutal” was a low-key really good joke

[@althechicken9597]

I am so glad that Brandon has the capacity to both sarcastically shitpost and get real back to back like this. My respect for this man just goes up.

[@CurieBohr]

I feel like this interview was Sanderson meeting Wit.

[@CodyRPierce]

Not nearly insulting enough, maybe wit was having an off day

[@libraryofaviking]

This must officially be the best 'first' video on a KZbin channel. Multiple cameras, high quality video and Brandon Sanderson 🥹 Amazing interview!

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

I can't take credit for the amazing equipment, camera angles, anything about the setup for this video. That was all the amazing team at Dragonsteel. The editing, on the other hand, I *can* take credit for. 😎 Thank you so much for the kind words 🙏

[@Some.username.idk.0]

Wtf, it's a first video!?

[@unski7051]

Man the way I thought of Merphy every single time I read that word in Branderson's latest books and now he confirmed it... Her power...

[@bambuu_]

this is the most unhinged interview ever, i love it

[@MistbornTaylor]

This interview is better than WIred's

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

wired set the bar pretty low, but I'll take it 🙌

[@chestersnap]

I love that Merphy's tragic backstorry turns her into the very thing she hates 😂

[@dwpetrak]

I've read the manuscript and the word she hates is "the." Just can't stop seeing it so becomes the Undulator telling her story in a worrd.

[@ManCarryingThing]

truly amazing

[@ellery0909]

Need to get the man and the thing he's carrying on Between Two Perns

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

thank you, Mr. Thing, it's an honor

[@endrshdw]

Pretty sure mistborn is already a vitamin based magic

[@maybelore]

dude, you are so funny! I love how Brandon played off of you and how your editing plays into him being a little bit of an evil mastermind. I love a good evil mastermind, in fact I aspire to be one.

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

Thank you very much! Brandon was very quick on his feet, he knocked it out of the park. He's hilarious, which should be no surprise since he created Wit's character 😂

[@SarcasmFiend23]

This is the best interview with Sanderson of all time. I just love that he matched your exceptionally unhinged energy. Well done. Can’t wait for A Hero’s Journey.

[@Swagge21]

this is by far the best interview I have ever seen

[@Pablo360able]

I can't believe Brandon Sanderson said "which way are you spelling hormones"

[@XavierRD]

The Elantris bathroom bit is what finally got me. Very well deserved sub.

[@thermophile1695]

Excellent interview. It can't match the sheer glory of the interview Wired did, but it's not healthy to compare yourself to perfection.

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

Thank you for the constructive feedback. I will try not to be too hard on myself, but perhaps one day, I too can create a satirical work such as that one that yields such an emotional response from the masses.

[@Indhel9957]

I love how Brandon so easily went along. I know he was probably told this is what this was but it was cool to see him in a different mode so to speak lol

[@halli4310]

My favorite author, Best-Selling-Author Jackson Relaxed Riting Saanderson

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

you are the first person to call me out on the misspelling and it's a weight off my shoulders i was starting to go insane thinking what if there is no "w" in "writing"

[@halli4310]

@@AuthorJacksonDickert happy to serve 🫡

[@chrisprosser5055]

This was great, love the awkward look at the camera after the brutal murder suggestion 😂

[@StoryBound]

8 subs and the best Sanderson interview on youtube? absolutely wild. Great stuff!

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

thank you very much!

[@nikkireigns]

639 now!

[@jamesdowdle7587]

I was not expecting a 반말 말하느냐 out of Sanderson. I nearly swerved out of my lane laughing.

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

WAIT IS THIS WHAT HE SAID? "Are you speaking informally?"

[@jamesdowdle7587]

@@AuthorJacksonDickert Yup. Said in an informal style (not really a spoken style, but informal nonetheless).

[@Maidaseu]

Brandon was a missionary in South Korea for 2 years

[@sanai97]

@@Maidaseu ugh

[@Oatbites]

@@sanai97why ugh?

[@minaDesuDesu]

This was amazing, both for the interview itself and the production quality. Can't wait for the next one on 29th!

[@Deedlit11]

Man I hate plagiarizers, but Brandon is even a plagiariser? Does he give rise to plagues?!!

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

just saying, covid happened *after* his books started getting really popular

[@resir9807]

This was surreal, who is this guy to post the best first video in the history of youtube channels

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

it's me, Best-Selling-Author Jackson Relaxed Riting Saanderson

[@resir9807]

@@AuthorJacksonDickert nice to meet you, I've been stuck writing the same book for 5 years so I'm something of an R.R. myself. It's got a magic system based on pheromones and macronutrients

[@jaime6400]

I thoroughly enjoyed watching this. Brandad! hahaha Great job! I love how you winged it (and that he played along so well). And I'm glad you felt at ease before the interview :)

[@laurahihaha]

NO NO NOT "IT WILL HAPPEN IN STORMLIGHT FIVE" NO NO NO

[@adambassett6686]

I wasn't a fan of the Cosmere until i heard that new book blurb at the end, now I'm all in. 🎉

[@waltzingaranel]

This was so unhinged and fun! Watched twice. Looking forward to the next.

[@bross92]

The hell was this? ……more plz 😢

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

More on September 29th! Mark your calendar!

[@MetaSynCreta]

OMFG! This was amazing. Can't wait to see you interview one of my favorite narrator/authors Travis Baldree.

[@aenea22980]

Hilarious and absolutely great comedic timing. Love it! Can't wait for the next one ❤

[@chrisowenssff4876]

I'd love to see a Joe Abercrombie version of this. He was a wicked sense of humor.

[@renskedunnewold1995]

Indeed one of the least hinged interviews I've ever seen, well done

[@DrownedLamp]

I've veen tricked, bamboozled and clickbaited...but I didn't get murdered. It's a good day. Great interview.

[@noxistudios]

Thank you. I hope everyone involved has a wonderful experience putting these together.

[@kevinrowley55]

I knew a guy 20 years ago who was a friend of a friend. His name was Richard Weed. He went by Dick, and he thought it was hilarious to tell people his name.

[@tyghe_bright]

Brilliant interview, Jackson. I love how Sanderson just leans into the nuttiness.

[@nazimelmardi]

Finally a really new take on a Sanderson interview! Congratulations man! 👏

[@HolyBlowhole]

This was really cool man! I could never do witty banter like this on camera (or off) with one of my favorite authors (or anyone). I’ve read hundreds, if not thousands of books, but when someone asks if I’ve read anything good recently my brain just evaporates into a black hole of anxiety. 😅

[@ianastor5237]

The best interview ever made in the history of forever

[@dimitrijekulak4874]

I can't wait for the book to come out!

[@lauren7713]

This is my favorite interview I’ve ever seen! 😂

[@AmbientCinematics]

Bro this was incredible, I can’t wait for more!

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

thank you so much!! good news is, you only have to wait until the 29th! ;D

[@jasonlouro9051]

Casually breaking the sandernet with this video, someone add it to the coppermind

[@TheAmyrlinSeat]

I'm glad that this guy has the courage to call out BS for his BS

[@vamsiampolu8438]

This is the best interview, can you bring Man Carrying Thing as a guest interviewer for an episode

[@barryallen2240]

Amazing video my good fellow, looking forward to seeing your collaboration's writing

[@Vladimir_Tod]

I found this past midnight and I dont have available the mental faculties needed to properly enjoy this. I'm saving this to watch tomorrow and I absolutely love the energy and satire here, thank you for doing Galifianakis right and for interviewing my absolute all time favorite author :)

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

thank you for this lovely comment!! very glad you enjoyed it. You might like the Mary Robinette one too, we talk a little bit of smack about Sanderson in that one, it's a lot of fun and she's a hilarious interviewee

[@GrapefruitPizza]

This is the best interview I've ever seen haha

[@Tasarlin]

This is such a sweet and fun interview!!!

[@Smajtastic]

This is actually incredible, im a brandosando fan, and the is the first video of yours. Youve captured the humour of between two ferns so well, sprinkled in some of your own, and it was great to see Brandon play along!

[@braendyn]

i love the amount of lowkey Dragonriders of Pern promotion this entire thing is.

[@Unalochy]

You said not to sub, that we aren't that close yet. Well, I push boundaries quickly so take that!

[@Ginnlaiho]

This was so silly, loved it

[@groofay]

Take note, Wired: This is how you expose Brando Sando.

[@paulolorenzo4069]

A Trade Secrets based magic system actually goes hard

[@yremogtnomnad]

I laughed out loud at the second version of the book cover 😂and at multiple other moments lol

[@mikewj94]

I was worried when I saw the title of this video, but watching it, it’s pretty clear you’re both having fun

[@Artagars]

This is just fantastic. Best study break ever!

[@StraightOutTheDungeon]

Not sure what I just watched. But I watched to the end and clicked like and left a comment.

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

Well said. Thank you for your service.

[@felicisrex8281]

That was a fantastic, so much more than I was expecting, I’m so glad I clicked on your video!

[@Reveticate]

When everything comes together in the cosmere will we have a magic system based magic system?

[@liav4102]

I love that he’s getting his acting reps in so he’s ready for the cameos in the movie adaptations

[@christianklement]

This was great, also loved the editing.

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

Thank you!!

[@ambbb4691]

This dude messed up. Brandon went home and wrote a novel on a vitamin and hormone based magic system. Can't wait to read it next year.

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

you're a fool if you think it'll take him a whole year

[@ambbb4691]

@@AuthorJacksonDickert Brandon is fast, publishing isn't 😉

[@crimsonraen]

Ha, this was too great! I love how quick-witted Brandon is.. I also love the discussion on Undulating. :P

[@brys.3131]

By the end of it I was dying XD Subscribed!

[@QuantumTurtle]

Great video. You got a subscription from me. I'm glad I clicked on it from your video on Daniel's channel.

[@storyworldofem]

This was incredible. Emphasis on the WAS because now it's over and I'm sad 😒

[@Rogue_VI]

I thought this was going to be terrible. And it kind of was... but the good kind of terrible.

[@Debessh]

A wild KZbin Chanel appeared - Used watch button - it’s super effective 🥴

[@Eloweh]

Rocky road era 2 about to go crazy if that wasn’t a joke… I will not forget

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

trust

[@crushgoil]

I do have to agree, this was pretty unhinged 😂

[@MakinFilmsMakinMusic]

That court stenographer joke was inspired

[@iammeandthatshowiam]

What even was this? 😂 I’m laughing AND crying right now 🤣

[@shunyah6318]

-" i have never been brutal enough to murder a well-beloved characterp" So we don't talk about Kelsier, huh

[@CodyRPierce]

Oh, so you haven't read Era 2 have you?

[@shunyah6318]

@@CodyRPierce *visible anxiety*

[@crylorenzo]

Savoury Ice Cream for men on Roshar!

[@callum7081]

Easy subscribe after this video, really fun interview

[@b_s_productions4405]

A trade secrets based magic system sounds interesting

[@Amanda_D]

This has to be my favorite interview of all time. 😂

[@herosheartcoaching3394]

I don't want to win any awards so much as I want to be interviewed by Jackson Dickert. Preferably in front of crackling fire on a bearskin rug.

[@c0barsm]

This is your only video? Starting off strong good sir.

[@LaratheLogophile]

As someone who loves the dragon riders of Pern series, and belives it does not get enough booktube love this was an auto subscribe for me.

[@elizabethrcrandall6877]

Next interview with Dan Wells? This was great!

[@moncin]

the cosmere has a space age.... that is the only thing i heard from this interview and i can't wait!

[@cambabamba4159]

What the hell is going on 😂

[@storyspren]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="752">12:32</a> Locked in a room with a 100-day limit on finishing an art project, huh? I think I've seen that somewhere before :D (I'm joking, for those not familiar, it's The Emperor's Soul and I highly recommend it)

[@thetonibm99]

I did not expect to see Corín Tellado here, so glad that she got some recognition!

[@novvak168]

Wow. Amazing video. I'm surprised that you don't have hundreds of thousands of subs

[@detritic]

I have never read anything of Sanderson's, this interview alone has made me interested in starting

[@katlove8815]

So chaotic! I love it 😅

[@freeman_8107]

This is so dumb, I love it!

[@AuthorJacksonDickert]

this comment really takes me back to reading my teacher's feedback on my essays in grade school

[@thepocketboy]

This was so fun. Lots of bursts of laughter from me. :)

[@rayblogueiro]

Gzus, this was the best thing I ever wacthed

[@lymandecoconut4832]

Now we just need a re-creation of the opening to Casino Royale, except with Brandon Sanderson killing off a beloved character, and the Bond theme is played with medieval instruments when he earns his RR.