BRAW on the Panasonic S1H // Blackmagic RAW vs ProRes RAW

Discussing the Blackmagic RAW recording over HDMI from the Panasonic Lumix S1H to the 12G Video Assist recorders and comparing it to ProRes RAW.
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Discussing the Blackmagic RAW recording over HDMI from the Panasonic Lumix S1H to the 12G Video Assist recorders and comparing it to ProRes RAW.
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Table of Contents:
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0:00 - Intro & Disclosure
1:34 - Notes on the S1 vs S1H & Firmware
2:31 - First Impressions vs ProRes RAW
3:16 - White Balance Control
3:46 - Construction Interruption & Sample Footage
5:14 - Color Shifts & Accuracy
6:03 - Levels Issue
7:12 - Video Assist Magenta Cast
7:48 - Mini Review of the Video Assist 12G
8:56 - Data Rates & Media
10:08 - ISO & Exposure Control
12:00 - Sharpness & Noise
13:19 - Lens Distortion
14:12 - Dynamic Range
15:04 - Highlight Recovery
15:52 - Different Log Conversions
16:43 - Editing Performance & Final Thoughts
20:04 - Notes on 6K vs 4K Modes
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[@darylawaita]

Gerald and Jordan needs to happen more often. Highlight of the year for me so far.

[@8lec_R]

+1

[@alex_foster]

I agree. Very good braw on S1H review.

[@detectivejonesw]

WOOOOOO it's Jordan 😁😁 unbelievable crossover

[@TheFraziers]

Can we appreciate the fact that the S1H, and other similar cameras like the S5, are so good at recording compressed internal footage that Gerald and Jordan found almost no reason to record RAW externally. Amazing cameras to choose from nowadays.

[@jonniecandito181]

I agree, but it is worth noting that the S5 has a more compressed codec though, being 150 mbps LongGOP. They're talking about the S1h which has 400 mbps All-I encoding.

[@TheFraziers]

@@jonniecandito181 Yes, but there isn't a huge difference between LongGOP and ALL-I when it comes to quality based on some comparisons I've seen. ALL-I is mainly an improvement for editing performance.

[@ceelothatmane9421]

@@TheFraziers Nah it's a big difference between 400mbps and 150mbps, plus raw you can actually get 12bit color which if you're trying to get the most bang out of your codec then it's good to me. but I've only used prores raw

[@chickenpasta7359]

@@ceelothatmane9421 yeah you get all of that, but then you have to factor in HDD space, cost, bulk of extra gear such as lugging around an Atomos, SSDs, batteries, all this for what most clients would not ever notice or care for. I sold my Ninja V after getting an S5 because it’s a PITA to carry all this stuff for results people don’t care for. The only value I can see investing in any of this stuff for is very high level projects. And even then that money is better off being invested in lighting and other things so you don’t have to rely on RAW video

[@ceelothatmane9421]

@@chickenpasta7359 it’s not much to carry an atomos with my s5 with a cage. I mean it really makes the camera easier to handle imo. Without it shooting for me is a drag. Everybody has different needs. I look at a monitor as essential. The recording features are just a bonus

[@demont7574]

Jordan and Gerald!!! Two of my favorite reviewers in one place ❤️

[@Plant_Based_Riffs]

I'm Gerald Undone, and everything changed when the fire nation attacked.

[@petermclennan6781]

Looking fwd to the Z6ii BRAW implementation review. "Guest appearances" are a welcome feature. Gerald, you still provide the most information-dense channel on this rapidly changing market. Thanks!

[@thymespianostudio5197]

It's so great to see how excited Gerald was doing this review. He just kept smiling. So wholesome.

[@geoffreybassett6741]

Thank you Panasonic for all these incredible updates, Open Gate on the S1 is great.

[@mikemcglasson1286]

Does open gate recording work with an external monitor?

[@stephensmith1509]

Most people grumble when construction is loud and annoying. Gerald shoots the construction company a sizzle reel.

[@garymcrae]

I heard that he once slammed a revolving door. Urban legend, myth, who knows!

[@ernestchew88]

You collabs are always gold.

[@SebastianSavoy]

I don't even care about this camera, I just love Gerald's reviews!

[@blueboxstudios1336]

Same

[@TsvetanVLife]

Same with me 😂😂😂

[@bamabaso]

Same😂

[@pwilliam7559]

I don't even have a camera but still watching Gerald

[@vipadventure]

I don't even have a Gerald but still watching camera

[@thatsreallyamoon]

I don't even watch, I just gerald my camera

[@Kaotix_music]

3 years later and i hope you have a camera now :D

[@SteveBrookfieldmusic]

Always good to see a Gerald Undone video in my subscriptions feed, and what a bonus to see Jordan as well. Fantastic!

[@joykillcollectiveproductio2695]

How could you have known I'd come in search of this exact comparison 8 minutes after you posted it !

[@asadsultan1208]

So so so happy to see two of my favourite KZbinrs talking about a beast of a camera. This collaboration should happen more. Dont undone it.

[@visceralpsyche]

Great review and rapport between the two of you! I just picked up the 7" a week ago to use with a Nikon being sent to me, but as I also have my S1H it was a great way to play with both (and the Sigma fp soon). Also loving the interface and the fact I can, as a Windows user, finally play with Panasonic RAW in Resolve without a round trip ProresRAW FCPX to Prores422 conversion.

[@OliKember]

“What is my channel for if not that.” Amen Gerald! Love your attention to detail.

[@TacticalCactusMedia]

My finger has never twitched so fast to hit a button when I got the alert that Gerald had posted!

[@vanquestgear]

Didn’t realize this was the crossover I wanted. Thank you!!!

[@vaidehiarts]

You are my two favorite reviewers.. this video is gold! :)

[@jamesshort6856]

Been waiting for your thoughts on this for so long!!!!!

[@alhOOO2O]

Loved this episode of Jordan Undone

[@pierrienevoldsen]

I trust these reviews more than the manufacturers own specs :-) thank you for another great review :-)

[@AyushSharmaa]

I really enjoyed this conversation. As far the update goes, I see this a very important in the world of video, because previously you had no option other than any BMPCC for easy and cheap RAW video, but now it is coming in most of the cameras, I think many people will implement RAW and don't have to worry shifting any other brand.

[@MarkHoltze]

Been debating on the 5" VA and missed out on a used one for 20% off @B&H dang it. Nice review both Gerald and Jordan, loads of info and was what I've been waiting for with regards to my S1H and the long decision of going Ninja V for RAW or more recently VA. I'm needing SDI support so it's opened up some options to kill two birds with one monitor when that time comes. Thanks you two!

[@NeilFarrimond]

Thanks for the great review as ever. I have an S1H and a Ninja V and I agree with you, apart from ISO and WB control I’m not gaining much using ProRes raw over internal 10bit. Plus using Neat noise reduction on the raw footage is really time consuming. Cheers!

[@droidbait8708]

Oh boy. I'm looking forward to this one!

[@hkm2023]

Please Panasonic, bring BRaw to the S5. It would be the perfect camera.

[@DineshBhadwal]

It's there finally!

[@EmeraldAudiovisual]

Circling back to this one. Great collab.

[@vailant]

Today, I started my research about this, but then you posted this video. Wow.

[@meyer2278]

Great collab! The bell rings for both channels, and has for a while. We are way over the top editors. Wait what, pause and process @ 75%! LOL!

[@Kenflyer]

Great video, informative, enjoyable, thank you very much indeed!

[@lucariccidj]

Thank You always guys 👌🏼

[@lamesandfn9693]

How I miss the old endings when each video had a different "but if you did not find this video helpful or entertaining, then..." Just watched like 20 old videos just for that 😁. It seriously was the cherry on top of a good video.

[@davidmetz302]

Construction b-roll is dope

[@fodsonmedia]

Simply wonderful!

[@Altcine]

Ha, Gerald, remember I told you that Panasonic we're talking about you at the UK HQ? I'm glad they're sending you stuff now 🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@chiu2014]

Thank you, the content of this conversation is very useful.

[@phynx2006]

I must say, loved the ending😂

[@AnalogMonoxide]

Here for info on BRAW and got p much everything I need to know here, thanks! 17:30 saying pretty much what I was thinking at this point, think I'll stick with just going out with a relatively compact S5 and shoot V-Log in 422 10bit. Simple and weatherproof, and I love the image quality already.

[@danielshepherd7306]

I have the S1H, it's my only camera. Soooo excited to see a video for me!!

[@SamEmilio2]

I feel like I had to scroll down way too far to find a comment that was about the subject of the video and not about how much people love Gerald haha

[@d.zoneproduction4583]

S1H can shot 4K 24p at full frame right ? Or all full frames mode are cropped ?

[@SamEmilio2]

@@d.zoneproduction4583 Basically, no 4k crop unless it's >30p

[@fnytnqsladcgqlefzcqxlzlcgj9220]

as usual the only type of reviews i like. the technical detail you show is very rare for internet reviews, the only more technical review channel i know of is Media Division, but they are an actual cinema company as far as i can tell. Fuckin' onya mate comin straight from down undah

[@humbertoteski]

Crossover with two legends

[@ThisIsTechToday]

I love my Black Magic Video Assist 12G!

[@josephryan5448]

You guys are awesome together

[@blueboxstudios1336]

I'm a simple guy. I see Gerald post and I click

[@gopaladas]

you are not alone

[@samgerers]

Great video! Looking forward to the Nikon video and would also love a Atomos Ninja V and BM Video Assist comparision.

[@arildhagen3820]

That was the nerdiest 22 min of my life. ...Love it!

[@arieljgd]

Sony please add external braw to a7siii

[@antiseth3964]

That would be a really nice option to have.

[@lalilland]

It's crazy how Panasonic's gives these updates for free. Yes, the original filmaker update is payed for the S1, but these features weren't included in the begining, and now most stores bundle that fw with the S1 anyways. Kudos for Panasonic for the long term and effective support.

[@adigyran]

original V-log update was for free in stores

[@automat8]

Thank you Gerald and Jordan. Is this camera that good? The monitor seems good?

[@aus_overlander]

I shot a wedding on the weekend using the S1H and Atomos using Prores HQ. Using the S Pro 50mm F1.4 and S Pro 16-35mm F4 the colors, dynamic range and flexibility in post are very good. I agree with this video, white balance correctly and I can't see why you would need RAW.

[@manuelp7472]

Thanks for your video.

[@RavenwolfPictures20]

I used to have a GH5 and that thing was a beast, I still think its a fantastic camera now too! I'm not sure if RAW is necessary for Panasonic, especially in mirrorless camera bodies, but its definitely going going help them marketing wise tenfold!!

[@Badrock27]

Here's hoping they add braw to the gh5 if that's possible

[@4th_Lensman_of_the_apocalypse]

Hurrah, hurrah, we got the ProRes and BRAW on the S1 too now!

[@Samhertzog]

Braw on the S5 woud be great !

[@adigyran]

it got one now !

[@Ariel_emerald]

@@adigyran has anything changed since this video as far as white balance/iso/highlight reduction that will now apply to the S5?

[@adigyran]

@@Ariel_emerald idk, i have s1

[@level6visuals363]

@@Ariel_emerald they announced it today for the s5!!!

[@BNC593]

@@level6visuals363 yes!

[@megadisc1982]

omg...u make construction look so goody ...

[@alex_foster]

Very good stuff. Thanks

[@FlyingJackalope]

Z cam just announced yesterday that there is 1) a new z cam F6 pro coming out soon, but B) They have worked out a deal with Blackmagic to record BRAW through these recorders. Could be a game changer for the Z cam crowd and all of the currently clunky workflow issues ini resolve.

[@zFLAVEz]

Panasonic is killing it. Just announced that the s1 and s5 will be getting external BRAW recording as well!

[@StuffInMyStudio]

Great chat!

[@AnahatNaad]

Gerald are you nervous in front of Jordan 😂. Excellent video.

[@noliserban]

I m waiting your BMPCC 6k Pro review :). Thanks for your professional videos!

[@monstablocka2784]

very good ! thank you very much !!

[@DAVISION-YT]

Two of my most beloved KZbinr chatting together! I like! What do you think about Blackmagic getting ProRes RAW? Doe it ever happen? Or am I doomed with a7S III / FX3 as a Resolve User.

[@CodyStoner20]

The S1 update is MASSIVE! Hoping it gets BRAW at some point though, I just switched over to Resolve.

[@SamEmilio2]

Same on both accounts! Still holding out hope that Blackmagic will decide to support ProRes RAW at some point haha

[@CodyStoner20]

@@SamEmilio2 That would be fine too👍🏻

[@izzieb]

It's getting it now :).

[@ricardogoncalvesreis3730]

Hi man!!!! congratulations, amazing job!! I would like to ask a question... Can you tell me if the WB Braw is better now? if I can now change the ISO and adjust the WB more perfectly? Thank you!!

[@Wojo123]

Hi Gerald. I am somewhat new to your channel, but I love what I've seen. I'm curious, why not upload your videos in HDR?

[@jayclas4023]

lol Jordan lol Funny Intro!

[@techlessYT]

For the next intro you need to tell your weight in Nocts 🤣

[@FilmMakerKlausKusserow]

Haha, that was cool! Hearing someone else saying "alright,... I'm done! 😁

[@robertfeliciano5723]

Can you compare the noise floor of the Zoom F6 to the XLR of the 7" BlackMagic recorder? I'm wondering if I can leave my audio recorder at home.

[@chadwin]

Tell me I'm not the only one that watches every Gerald Undone video at 1.5X speed.

[@goddyab]

Thank! You! Thank you! I really appreciate this video, I appreciate your respond to my request, I need those Nerdy detail test that I can only find on your Channel, before I spend my money on that Blackmagic monitor, Thanks a million.

[@readerr0r]

10:50 Gerald watching the bomb drop

[@djw1091994]

Apparently, I don't own one, but the BlackMagic Video Assist 3.4 update allows you to color calibrate the monitor. I assume the same way you can color calibrate the pocket camera displays now. You should be able to adjust the color temp and tint for the display itself.

[@TheAgora123]

Great information

[@MoiseNicolas]

KZbin: Gerald Undone uploaded a video Me: I don’t even own a S1H Also Me: Let me learn things to sound smarter in my next camera conversation 😄😄

[@trill_is_bliss]

😂

[@jordanpryce8964]

Gerald, does the Panasonic use bm gen 4 or 5 color science when recording BRaw, and does this occur in the video assist or in camera?

[@ccarretero4]

Gerald!!! I cant decide between a7siii and sIH. Can you get the colors to look as good as the s1h? I dont love the green tint in a7siii, but it feels like its a more felixiblw all around camera. I already own a red komodo and want to cover all my bases. Thanks!!

[@adeloyearts205]

Could you imagine having Gerald as your teacher? I swear I would have passed my Mech Eng classes.

[@salsabilahmedshrestho960]

Only few mechanical engineering professor can present knoledge to us how gerald undone presents :3

[@marcimran]

Thanks for doing this video. I have sm qns pls: 1) Is the BMD 5” 6GSDI and not 12GSDI as advertised? 2) The 7” can record up to UHD, but the 5” can only record up to 1080p correct? 3) What kind of SDI cable connection is required for the 5” model? 4) Using this with the A73 will the face detect AF work when recording to the BMD’s SD card? (I assume there’s no option to record to SSD on the 5”) Many thanks. 😊

[@SynysterNick]

Every time I watch your videos I feel like I should move to DaVinci Resolve

[@GabbyTech]

im going to enjoy this now ;D

[@constantinnow]

I recently moved to Lumix from Fuji, for photography, I don't do much video, however I see the pink/yellow cast under certain conditions.

[@m9pro]

Lets get Undone ^^

[@75meshiash]

Hi there, any tips how to work with braw from Lumix S1H (BM Video Assist 12g) in Davinci Resolve? All options seems to be off, it doesnt work like a normal BRAW from Black Magic cameras. I cannot adjust white ballance etc.

[@UXXV]

Around the 10 min mark, diff comp ratios. Surely that would affect motion not a static shot?

[@lo.taminu]

is there a way to shoot 5.9K 10bit 422 with the s1h using the ninja on a h265 format? or is that option only avalible with prores?

[@Veptis]

My takeaway: a new Resolve version. Most likely adds more bRAW support but might fix some bugs as well

[@PhotoLitos]

So Jordan has a 5 inch one... And doesn't have a date...

[@zzyyxxzzyyxx]

Hey @Gerald Undone or anbody who can help, where can I get one of those range fixing video levels thing you mention for Atomos? Is it a LUT? Stuggling with this! Thanks!

[@kotolows]

@Gerald, I am looking forward to the same video about BRAW but for Nikon Z 6 II.

[@bradleykussy]

Maybe I missed it, but can you still utilize the HDMI OUT port when shooting BRAW? I was told the port is N/A when using BRAW.

[@cyberzazu]

I'm Gerald Undone and my Italian name is GERALDO SFATTO

[@ReginaldEsque]

I will forever wait for Gerald to get his hands on some old Canon DSLRs and compare Magic Lantern Raw to all the current Raw codecs and see just how far he could push some old dslrs

[@dominikseitz]

Hey Gerald, could you make a new video and explain how sony clear image zoom works on a technical side? This would be great, there is barly any information about that. Thanks ;)

[@muhammadrainaldop9046]

Gerald do you have a luts V-log to 709 internal?

[@ruosenwang3631]

Really hope to see the comparison between S5Prores RAW and S1H Prores RAW

[@zacharydehart5597]

One benefit of BRAW you guys didn't really consider in your internal vs raw comparison was the fact that you get tons more color information to work with in 12bit and no chroma subsampling.

[@robertochaves4535]

Yes, and this can have a big impact on VFX work or green screen work.

[@DollyRanch]

@@robertochaves4535 or some types of moire I presume?

[@robertochaves4535]

@@DollyRanch : I’m not sure how you mean moire would be created? Moire is an effect of sampling as higher signal frequency at a lower rate without any low pass filter. The lack och croma resolution will just blur the colors

[@DollyRanch]

@@robertochaves4535 no I'm saying BRAW and PR RAW will have less of the sort of colour moire because those formats like Zachary says do not subsample colour data. Not sure if what I'm referring to is really called moire but perhaps you are familiar with what I mean