Breaking Down PhilosophyTube's Public Statement (Part 1)

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00:00 Introduction
01:25 "Philosophy"Tube
08:35 Coming Out
11:10 Scary Times
14:50 Arrogance
22:10 History with Abigail
32:21 Trans Healthcare
48:31 So like sometimes you want to use this particular form of ID and then you can't and it's super annoying y'know?
53:12 Ending

[@whyme3678]

Philosophytube is a great example of one of those dudes who "comes out" by ideologically insisting he's had some inner essence all along that makes him know he's a woman, while putting on a display that gloriously demonstrates he's never empathized with a woman in his entire life.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

It's funny because Olly stated, before erasing the videos of course, he never had gender dysphoria.

[@hitoshura2800]

@@blacktigerpaw1 what?!? Which one or ones do you remember? I'm sure someone archived it

[@blacktigerpaw1]

@@hitoshura2800 It's on Kiwi Farms. Search up his name and you'll find it.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

It's physically impossible for a man to have an "inner woman". Our fucking culture deserves to go extinct.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

He wants to have that Contrapoints six-figure inner essence in his bank account.

[@whosebuilderandmakerisgod]

Anyone who’s paid one brain cell of attention knows that Philosophy’s goal is to copy Contra and become a bigger, better, and more active trans woman than her. That’s where she gets this “immense pressure” to be pretty and articulate in trans activism. It’s all rooted in comparing herself to Contrapoints

[@BJ.581]

His comparison of abortion to puberty blockers is extremely, extremely offensive. It’s important to keep in mind, the potential physical impact of pregnancy on a woman’s body starts at stretch marks and ticks every box up to death. These risks are even worse for young girls, and their chances of dying are higher. That’s before we touch on the statistics that say women who give birth in their teens are less likely to finish school, get secondary education, establish well-paying careers that allow them freedom and independence. Literally what is the impact of puberty? It sucks and is really hard for kids with dysphoria? It’s really hard for all kids, terrible. Which is why support is so important. However, it is not remotely comparable to abortion, and to suggest it is is extremely offensive and sexist. Abortion grants women and girls the right to equal education and participation in society, being attractive while presenting as the opposite sex is not a right. He really needs to stop trying to compare the extremely important rights and real oppression of other communities to spread his personal belief system.

[@GrimMeowning]

Considering that he said that if women of color are women then males can become women, I am not surprised him being so sexist, when he is already extremely racist.

[@WasFakestCenturyAesthetics]

If someone is too irresponsible to handle freedom without killing babies, maybe they shouldn't have freedom? You're talking about "rights" and "oppression" as if what you're demanding isn't the ability to strip all rights from another class of human beings in order to kill them, to mitigate (in 99% of cases) the impact of an individual's irresponsibility. It's unbelievably ghoulish and hypocritical - and ultimately disempowering, self-refuting and ineffective.

[@BJ.581]

@@WasFakestCenturyAesthetics I’m sorry, I want to make sure I understood correctly. Are you saying that abortion is stripping rights from a class of people?

[@BJ.581]

@@WasFakestCenturyAesthetics If that is indeed the case, and I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that it’s not, perhaps you could point me to another class of “people” that have the “right” to utilize another people’s body to sustain their “life.” Because you do understand that if you were dying, and I was the only bone marrow match on the planet that could save you, I would still have a right we call bodily autonomy to deny you life saving bone marrow, thereby killing you. No “person” has the right to the body of another. It’s really this simple: you believe women are full human beings with autonomy and the right to make their own health decisions, or you don’t. If it’s the latter, you’re a misogynist.

[@WasFakestCenturyAesthetics]

@@BJ.581 Yes, that's exactly what it is. I think all human beings have the right to the integrity of their body. You think certain human beings should be denied this right. Your analogy is so obviously stupid that I can't believe people still use it, except that you have nothing else. I assume you're being disingenuous, but let me explain the painfully obvious difference in case you aren't. In your scenario, my life depends on you by pure coincidence. You had nothing to do with it. In the case of pregnancy, another human's life depends on you as the predictable, avoidable consequence of actions you performed voluntarily for your own pleasure. Duh. You had a right to control what happens to your body; you failed to exercise that right, and you don't get to deny other humans rights to make yourself whole after your failed to exercise your own rights. That's your fault, not the fault of the human being who now depends on you through no fault of their own.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

The fact he things being pretty helps people take women seriously really says a LOT.

[@Love25648]

It’s so frustrating. I’m considered very cute and no one takes me seriously. They just humor my opinions or anything I say :(

[@KaiDecadence]

Because these men just don't know what being a woman is actually like and only resort to socially constructed stereotypes.

[@ambientjohnny]

@ Not the point is it, of course people considered attractive have advantages in certain situations.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

@ not really. I worked in a male dominant career for years and the "cute" and "pretty" women may have been hired but were always undermined and never taken seriously. Also, being "pretty" in a male dominant job makes you more susceptible to harassment and not being taken seriously when you report it, because obviously we asked for it.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

@@Love25648 yeah, I get ignored all the time. I have to speak very loudly and risk hurting my vocal cords for anyone to take me seriously.

[@GrimMeowning]

"Things for trans are very scary in UK" UK is one of the safest places for trans people - zero were attacked and zero lost their lives in last 2 years. Trans people have much more protection from the law than in most countries under GRA2010 and trans people are protected from discrimination. Saying that in UK it is scary - is just fearmongering people.

[@GrimMeowning]

And Abigail have at least 30 grands per month, from decently rich family, and can get those without even working at all, or with just putting 1-2 videos per month. So it is not even remotely scary. And lets not forget how Abigail in previous video said that "I was presenting as male on my work and in business, but in other places I was living as woman for a year now. And now I know womens oppression better then women". Oh yeah? No woman can "use male privilege on work" and "be woman for fun at home". That just does not work this way. And how offensive for women is bragging with kind of privilege and then saying that "I am more oppressed than you are"?

[@leica0000]

Sorry Abigail, until you wake up soaked in sweat from hot flushes, nearly lose your job at work for moods that swing between temper and tears, painful abdominal cramps, periods that stop and start again unpredictably, then let's talk about who should be prescribed hormones from by a GP. Also a friend had breast reduction surgery, not just back ache - she had terrible migraine, summer time she got infections under her breasts from the heat and chafing. It was causing her physical pain and depression. It's actually a fairly bad health problem, not just a bit of backache. Unbelievably selfish to act like women's health problems are just like a man who wants to look more like a woman. PT can't actually believe this I'm sure, it's gotta just be schtick.

[@istandwithjkrowling3098]

This is why I hate Oliver so much. He's just another male supremacist. Women's serious medical problems are no different from men wanting to look feminine for cosmetic reasons.

[@ablix]

@hrvatski antikomunist wtf is wrong with you?

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

@@ablix this person keeps leaving these comments. Makes absolutely no sense.

[@fannyboni472]

@hrvatski antikomunist you need help

[@fannyboni472]

Yeah, because Abigail will never be able to understand the pain that can come with being female, its that simple

[@joandarc4643]

That abortion remark makes me so so so angry. PT's been flippant wrt to prostitution as well in the past. It all feels very related and very misogynistic.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

Don't forget his 'I will never be considered a wife and a mother' comment. Or bringing up non white women being seen as 'manly' as a way he supports them.

[@1986kerrichinchilla]

his disgust at women daring to have medication or treatments and he cant be pushed in front

[@GhostLightPhilosophy]

“I’m just an actress” Yes Abigail that is the problem.

[@saskiabuck812]

Im so glad you're doing this reaction, when I first watched this video I had to do it in like 3 sittings because it was so frustrating and infuriating. I don't understand how PT can act like there is no discernable difference between trans-women and women and then demand hormones with a straight face. Why are you even taking them if biology doesn't matter Abigail????????

[@vasilyfamilienko4318]

And why he is demanding hormones for free for tax payers money, when he is having 12 grands per month from patreon and around 12-16 more grands per month from advertisements. It is almost 25-30 grands per month, it is insane money. Average YEARLY income in UK is 30 grands, and he is getting 30 grands per month, so his income is 12 times more than on average and 20-30 times more than so many women who need that hormonal treatment.

[@nineteenfortyeight6762]

Tube skipped the day in philosophy class where they differentiated "categorical" from "hypothetical". Nobody's"forcing" him to get "interrogated" by psychiatrists. That's just what he has to do if he wants the taxpayers to fund his makeover. A philosopher would know the difference.

[@Jo-ys4bp]

"Abigail" just comes across as a performance.

[@hitoshura2800]

I thought the same thing. Oliver has been an actor for quite sometime and there's been an almost 180 in their behavior from Oliver to Abigail. The voice, suddle change in mannerisms different from the original Oliver persona. I wish all the best Abigail but it seems off somehow.

[@ElDrHouse2010]

Its a whole shit show. There is a theory (not confirmed) floating around on the internet that it was because he was obsessed with COINTELPoints (ContraPoints). And got in a lot of wishy washy sexual harassment involving ContraPoints grabbed his boobs and then like 1 year & a half later boom PhilosophyTube is trans. Contra & PhiloTube don't get along anymore & they used to. It's its all so strange. Whatever not my problem. All that I said is theory. Nothing is confirmed just sayin.

[@saskiabuck812]

@@hitoshura2800 omg I feel the same way

[@led7691]

modeled on the queen of englaaand, how noble

[@nightmode5000]

@@calitaliarepublic6753 i doubt he's faking it but omg could you imagine????

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

I let ridiculous beauty product ads play on this channel.

[@theoriginalsuzycat]

"A century of feminism" - Mary Wollstonecraft would like a word.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

Even for women who want breast reduction because they don't like how they look, they have to prove that it's causing issues. They do several check ups to see shoulder pain, back pain, bra rashes, etc.

[@melanie-rosannastevens7861]

Not one of my former friends, tho. She just yells "nOnBiNaRy/tRaNs!!!!" And exclaims she wants to be a "feminine kawaii uwu boy" 😅

[@1986kerrichinchilla]

I had a friend who has serious big breasts that effected her spine and life a lot. But she was forced to lose weight first, which ended up making the pain worse, she is still waiting to have the surgery years later

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

@@1986kerrichinchilla weight loss made it worse? That's odd. I lost a ton of weight and mine are still big. It's genetics for me, all the women in my family are tiny but with large breasts. But losing weight did help a lot. I hope your friend gets the surgery soon and feels better.

[@1986kerrichinchilla]

@@ASMRyouVEGANyet the weight of her breasts with the weight loss made her back pain worse. Im not sure why

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

@hrvatski antikomunist wtf does being Jewish or communist have to do with breast reduction?

[@1986kerrichinchilla]

his remarks about being a princess in terf island, wow the narcissism, his facial expressions it was so obvious. also his contempt for women because they might need drugs to stop them suffering

[@blacktigerpaw1]

"It's not fair that I'll never be seen as a wife and a mother" - Oliver Thorn

[@1986kerrichinchilla]

@@blacktigerpaw1 poor little ollie. theres women out there dying from childbirth but he cant play pretend

[@blacktigerpaw1]

@@1986kerrichinchilla I've seen some transwomen say they want a uterus implant so they can have an abortion. And another where women offered to give up their uteruses to them, and excused it as 'giving it to women, Karen'.

[@masscreationbroadcasts]

27:33 "Even after a century of investing in road infrastructure, we still didn't make any strawberry cheesecakes that taste like honey melon"

[@evamurray2564]

I am not a cis non trans woman. The language used to erase women is unbelievable.

[@evamurray2564]

@@oliviamaynard9372 i am not the one asking for language to be changed. And the meaning of women to be redefined to mean they can have a penis, beards etc. The trans people can call themselves whatever they like but why redefine what women means? Next they will just call us breeders. Why not? Insults are not arguments. You sound like a teenager who just got their feelings hurt.

[@evamurray2564]

@@oliviamaynard9372why attack me. I have lived experiences. It is my freedom to say I am not a cis woman but a woman. The insults you get called and attacks actually means I am not weak for saying I don't want to be called a cis woman. The trans want their pronouns respected I want my biological sex respected. Goes both ways. I get called the c word, bitch, terf and weak now for expressing my views. Wow the arrogance and misogynistic languages gender identity politics is amazing.

[@evamurray2564]

@@oliviamaynard9372 you are making assumptions. Did I say I hate anyone. What does marriage have to do with changing the concept of women. Marriage was broadened. I supported gay marriage. The term women is being erased to mean anyone even a 6 foot 4 200 pound bearded man can say they are a women and then what come into women spaces? I could say the same. Why do you hate women so much that you have to change language that now calls us chest feeders, menstrurators, cis women?. Why not just say women and transwomen. Then we can discuss how we going to work out issues such as biological women competing against trans women in sport. There are real issues but we can't even discuss because it's straight to insults. Notice how I have not insulted you. But no your side doesn't want to discuss such issues just reinvent language and call anyone he disagrees with you a hateful bigot. Wow the arrogance.

[@evamurray2564]

@@oliviamaynard9372 address my arguments. Stop attacking me. Obviously you have no arguments. So a 6 foot 4 male with a beard and identifies as female is now a women? What about the competitive sports issue? So your fine with the term chest feeder? Such dehumanising language. Your only argument is your a hateful meanie... lol... Marriage was broadened to include everyone. Not just between a man and a women. The term women has lost all meaning now. If anyone can be a women then what is a women? Try and reply without insults. See if you can address my points.

[@evamurray2564]

@@oliviamaynard9372 did you read my comment. I said I supported gay marriage and that the term was expanded not destroyed. So basically anyone is a woman if they say so ,therefore the term is useless. I look forward to when this 6 foot 4 bearded 200 pound woman with a penis goes into competition with people who bleed. You grow up. 98% have to change so as people don't get offended. Be who you want to be but don't try and control everyone with your new made up terms. I am a lady and will never say I am cis. You can call yourself whatever you like. But don't but labels on me. That's the point. By the way you just can't stop insulting. I basically win every reply as I address your points while you just ad hom. Try again.

[@HorseyWithNoNamey]

Its crazy how fake he sounds. He's supposed to be an actor, yet his "authentic womanhood" sounds more fake than all his other acting videos. His transing surprised me a bit, considering he always seemed quite infatuated with himself. I hope next prints of dictionaries come with a photo of Olly/Abigail next to the word "pathetic" - it would be a very apt description.

[@cakeface8414]

He’s probably going to spin this into saying “look how good at acting I am! All these years I was acting like a man so convincingly that no one suspected I was actually a woman all along!” What a JOKE of a human.

[@saskiabuck812]

You'd think after supposedly a year of being out to family and friends PT's mannerisms and voice would seem more natural but no, it feels fake as hell.

[@No1ze3]

I think he transitioned because it worked for Contra. PT wants Contra's fame and money so badly and resorts to just copy the style but it only comes as the discount Contrapoints

[@rocket3254]

@@No1ze3 I bet he got the idea from contra, I wasn’t surprised when he transitioned at all, felt like it’s part of the narrative for people who discuss these things on KZbin lol

[@parkinglotsofhell]

I honestly wonder how much of the appeal of being mtf trans is due to the trappings masculinity in the modern western world being so boring. Historically, men wore high heels, wore giant wigs, had colorful garments, wore jewelry, etc. even today, most fashion designers are men, both gay and straight. I wonder how many kids formed the idea in their heads that since they liked colors and dressing up that therefore they must not be men. I’m a woman who doesn’t like dressing femininely; wearing bright colors and “fashionable” clothing makes me feel like I’m crawling out of my skin. That’s not gender dysphoria; it’s personal taste that in a sane world wouldn’t be gendered.

[@parkinglotsofhell]

To add on to this I think it’s telling that it’s not weird for a woman to wear men’s clothing and plenty of us do with no issues about our gender (unfortunately that seems to be changing). However, as far as I can tell, it’s incredibly uncommon for men to wear stereotypically feminine clothing if they don’t also identify as trans. Like, it’s weirder for a man to go around in a dress than it is for a man to insist that he’s actually a woman. It’s bizarre.

[@HellCatt0770]

When I went to the doctors for menopausal symptoms like mood changes, night sweats causing me to wake every 45 mins, mental confusion, dry skin, aching (it goes on), I had blood tests and questionnaires to see if it was the menopause even though nearly every woman alive and past has gone through it! Much discussion about what options for treatment, including no treatment. How dare they compare this with their, frankly, unnatural cross sex hormone demands for a psychological problem 🤬

[@elenapaints972]

Really gross comparison. My Grandma "wanted" hormone replacement therapy and they denied it. Her back crumbled and now she has a metal rod in her spine and lives with extreme pain every day as a result of the surgery. All she gets is ibuprofen for pain relief. My mother is going the same way and has had to fight for HRT. PT doesnt have a clue.

[@donaldhysa4836]

Weak men seek victimhood cause they see women getting power in that way and want to do the same. But thats not how men should act

[@JCT1926]

43:00ish: It's telling that Philosophy Tube consistency deemphasizes women's health problems. What a slap to the fucking face. He does this all while making demands for his supposed rights.

[@NenaDiMartinez]

Glad to see you tackle this overtly misogynistic video.

[@gck9237]

Yay thanks KC! Is Abigail auditioning for a place in a Shakespearean company? Oh, the melodrama!

[@izzycampbell6933]

some of what PT says is ideologically opposed to your own views, but the comment about puberty blockers and abortion is just patently wrong. Puberty blockers are not reversible, even trans organizations admit that. Hormones aren’t a singular aspect of the human body, they’re integral to the entire functioning of the body and help with brain development. The usage of puberty blockers historically has been for children (usually girls) who start puberty too early, like when they’re 6, not in people of the proper age to start puberty

[@zassinthal]

Thanks for not missgendering

[@katieandnick4113]

They haven’t even been used often in precocious puberty. They were made as a short term treatment for terminal cancer.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

I noticed Olly's voice cracked when he said "I can finally relax." Wonder how much effort he puts into that female voice impersonation.

[@PeevedUK]

Philosophy Tube here confusing the words "permenant" and "irreversable".

[@ghaida7137]

You’re popular! I’m watching you’re videos from Saudi Arabia, LOVE you’re channel

[@khaileigh]

I hope your channel gets more recognition. We need more critical voices!

[@jextra1313]

Hot take: she transitioned to appear oppressed enough to be allowed make these claims, according with far-left mentality.

[@jextra1313]

@Gareth Bale A 2 for 1 package deal, and all you need to do is change your pronouns.

[@hope-cat4894]

Watching this after seeing the recent video shows that PT _really_ doesn't like doctors asking questions about transitioning. Knowing PT openly admitted to lying to get the surgery shows why that was the case. I didn't realize when I first saw their video.

[@Jamie-bu9cq]

"The only way you can understand abortion is permanent is to say the relevant factor is the baby itself." 💯 - and once again we see how conservative this whole movement is.

[@Jamie-bu9cq]

Not that I'm always opposed to conservatism, but I am when it comes to women's rights.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

It's funny because if Oliver was faced with becoming a dad, he'd likely be the first to pay for said abortion.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

@Lydgate More so since he thinks womanhood is Yves Saint Laurent handbags and camera shots on his panties.

[@jextra1313]

It's wild how blindly she states all of these positions, and with such pride. The idea that female hormones affect men in a different way than they affect women, and therefore should be used differently, hasn't even appeared in her mind (or she ignores it). This lack of thoughtfulness is antithetical to philosophy. These are the preachings of a political activist, not a philosopher.

[@noah1502]

the effects of puberty blockers are definitely permanent. there is permanent bone density loss, for one thing, but another is that pubery does not just affect the genitals, blocking puberty literally stunts the growth of the brain, i just watched an interview buck angel did with a trans girl who was on puberty blockers and she said it was horrendous, this trans girl said she felt mentally stunted and was in clear emotional turmoil (i was also getting vibes that she was actually just a gay boy who had made a mistake but that is not my claim to make). !! in addition, we have long term studies of gender dysphoric children that show a majority 65-90% of them desist by the time they are adults, the gender dysphoria goes away and they learn to love themselves for who they are, typically gender non-conforming people (because gender is a striaght-jacket), and typically these people are gay. whereas ~99% of children who are put on puberty blockers go on to cross sex hormones. this is not buying them time, it is signing a contract. if the brain and body are not maturing, why do you think gender dysphoria would go away? and why are we doing this to children who would otherwise would have lived happy lives without medical intervention.

[@LPempty]

Not them being narcissistic but also trying to act like they’re so humble and so feminine by not thinking they’re pretty or smart enough. Also it’s strange to me how they’re acting so feminine and motherly to the point of exaggeration. It feels weird and like they have an image of what women are. Which reminds me of the way most white males see women. Also funny enough you mentioned the whole TRAs talking about black women being manly and not being women which is a white male point of view and is exactly what philosophy tube tweeted when they came out. They refused to see tht what they said was offensive no matter how many black and south Asian women pointed it out.

[@STOPjammietime]

Re. Alex's point about child suicide - yes, there's no legacy of it. There aren't any convincing stats showing kids even kill themselves now because of trans issues. All data is based on self-reported suicide attempts, not completed suicide. Suicide in kids is in fact, thankfully, extremely rare. With the recent push for trans acceptance one would expect, if transition reduces suicide, that child suicides would fall in the last few years, but in fact that hasn't been the case. Rates are increasing. The fact is that kids have too much access to the internet at the moment and it's making them depressed. Increased rates of GD are a consequence of that. Social media increases anxiety, feelings of isolation, and body dissatisfaction. Access to poisonous sites like Tumblr and Twitter as well as the ubiquity of misogynistic internet porn give kids crazy ideas about sex and gender and sell the impossible dream that changing your sex will solve all your problems. Kids need to be away from the internet until at least 16 years of age.

[@nineteenfortyeight6762]

Also: suicide rates in post-op transsexuals are no lower than pre-op. So transitioning doesn't solve their depression.

[@yarajoan841]

I don't understand why wearing makeup and a skirt is considered brave! Bravey is a selfless act you do for others, playing dress up for your own self image has nothing to do with bravery. ...and to think dress is at the essense of what a woman is offensive. Dude just play dress up no one cares, spare us the boring speech

[@Bleakertube]

I never watched PTs coming out video before because I stopped watching the channel due to bad philosophy. I’m glad I didn’t. It’s dripping with misogyny and narcissism. Wow

[@onepartyroule]

I'm a bit suspicious of this latest narrative arc from PT. If you look at PT's back catalogue you can see that they had a pretty full on beard less than a year ago, whilst apparently living as a woman. There's something that isnt quite ringing true about it all and i wouldnt be surprised if it turned out to be some kind of eleborate social experiment or something. PT has always come across as a bit fake and pretentious imo, and that seems even more heightened in recent videos. I dont know exactly where PT is from, but it's always niggled me that theyre trying so hard to put on an RP accent when theyre clearly northern.

[@alb1reo]

So much style over substance when it comes to ContraPoints, PhilosophyTube..

[@TFYFWYA]

the absolute, pure, unmitigated. grade-A disdain with which you said "abigail" at 44 seconds in, lmfao

[@ojyochan]

Great point about being scared we can't be allowed to think freely. "I'm just an actress." Cringe. The appropriation of feminism as a trans cause in spite of tra being antithetical to feminism is one of the biggest thorns in my side.

[@lidahall5928]

It really does seem that there is nothing some of these people won't appropriate and distort to their own ends. Extraordinary.

[@whosebuilderandmakerisgod]

I can’t believe Philosophytube showed any apprehension to coming out as trans on KZbin because she got hundreds of thousands of subscribers after her coming out video and now has over 1 million subscribers. I also find it unlikely that she had been transitioning for one year beforehand and that she only said that to make people take her transition seriously, because few people take trans people without dysphoria seriously, and Philosophytube never claims to have it

[@XxYwise]

But she needed that year to [*closeup*] grow Her Breasts! We women OFTEN casually mention Our Breasts. It's easy to forget, sometimes, because Our Breasts are just part of our daily lives. That's... women for you!

[@ibitron1]

It’s ‘not having an abortion’ that is permanent. Regarding the age of consent, reaching the age of 16 can make a person legally at the age of consent but unless a person goes through puberty, they aren’t going to be able to make adult decisions. Puberty makes us adults.

[@Doublecool]

Also feminism have been going on for 300 years (from ilustration) not from just XX century!!!

[@KC_Streams]

that's a good point actually. Wollestonecraft

[@blacktigerpaw1]

@@KC_Streams Olympe de Gouges and, to an extent, Eleanor of Aquitaine.

[@pipersolanas3322]

@@KC_Streams Mary Astell

[@jaydee9125]

I've never heard of PT before. Defintely not a famous trans lol

[@alexwright4930]

I'm English & I've subscribed to Lindsey Ellis since 2016 - also on "Bread Tube" if I understand correctly - and I'd never heard of Philosophy Tube til the coming out video. No way Abigail is even vaguely or remotely the most famous trans person in Britain.

[@Lola-gg8lz]

I'd never even heard of Abigail till 2 days ago

[@virginwrists4960]

Baldness is bigger problem than gnc

[@tish3092]

Enjoy your content but do you think using “gender” as (I assume) a proxy for sex is accepting the ideology you are critiquing? it would be clearer if you stuck to sex. Also there is no evidence of higher rates of suicides in children with “gender dysphoria” . Even the Tavistock state that there is no higher rate than any other referrals with a mental health issue.. Someone also trawled through all serious case reviews for under 18s and none were attributed to having issues with a transgender identity. There is evidence of higher rates of suicide post transition. .

[@connie_d]

^ What she said (both things)

[@vasilyfamilienko4318]

USA adding "gender" as proxy for sex, as new EA definition of sex will be consisting from biological sex, gender identity and sexuality. Why not put them as 3 different things? It is purely intentional conflation in EA.

[@chrissermoon4156]

Yeah, I am doing my MA in philosophy at this time, and from the stuff have seen from PhilosophyTube you hit the nail on the head by saying by saying, that it uses philosophy to enforce it's own points. It does NOT try to educate.

[@marionb2870]

​In Quebec, a prisoner whent to a re-asignement surgery while some life saving surgery where canceled due to covid to regular public

[@ncorp2668]

And don't you find it interesting that out of ALLLLL the issues regarding the health of prisoners, the one the left chooses to get started on is fucking re-organizing prisons by gender? What about all the rampant abuse and mental health issues? What about the shitty healthcare in prisons where people regularly are denied immediate care and die? It goes to show you how bourgeoisie liberal this issue is.

[@blindace18]

Hey! I’ve done that thing where I refer to you generally in gender critical/radfem spaces, assuming people know who you are (which they usually do!) i think the last time I did this was on Ella Androphobia’s channel. Haha

[@sophiachan1237]

I had a friend who would say: "I believe you believe that, but it's inaccurate." I would apply this to PT.

[@Thatssomebadhatharry1]

The king KC ... adore your videos. We need to get you on Glinners podcast “the mess we’re in” and get talking to Posie Parker and Vanessa Vokey. We all stand tall together

[@alexwright4930]

Things are terrible for trans people in the UK, and yet Abigail already has a British passport with her preferred gender - which apparently you don't even need a Gender Recognition Certificate to get but can get with a doctor's note (I've not checked that).

[@madarawijerathne276]

Does this Abigail thinks physicians are telepathic it seems like that.

[@rossbrodie3986]

‘You can’t use your passport heeheheheeh!’ looking forward to Saturday, keep up the excellent critical thinking, it’s such a pleasure to watch from start to end

[@lisasimpson8895]

Great video, KC. This was delightful. It's the only way I can bear watching a philosophy tube video. Just a few points I'd like to clarify. As far as I know, trans identified females don't ask for breast *reduction* - they ask for breast *amputation*; puberty blockers don't permanently *delay* puberty - they permanently *block* puberty (although to be honest i'm not 100% sure about this one. I just don't think it makes sense to say they delay something and are irreversablr at the same).

[@elyse-cathrinebisson2787]

Thank you for doing this. I was so disapointed when he did this.

[@RealThisisA]

Thank you for this video. It's quite a time in 2021.

[@sunnybunny6278]

Great analysis. Philosophy Tube person seems to be primarily UTTERLY ravenous for fame & fortune . The attempt to entangle themselves with David Bowie's fame & genius is rather a give away. Oh & how they announced that they had got their agent to apply for women's acting parts the very next day after coming out like it's of world shaking importance to mankind (pardon pun).. 'All style & no substance' fits the few philosophy 'lessons' of Oliver's I've seen. He delvers lines alarmingly well though...you have to really bypass the private schoolboy visual & audial pizazz to pick up the bullshit content.

[@ablix]

what's funny about your videos is whenever I feel the immense cringe from watching these people I can tell you're also in pain from this shitshow lmao it's like we're besties 💁‍♀️

[@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals]

women who are feeling they need estrogen for menopause should not ask for it. Lose weight, exercise, eat more healthy. Estrogen has been proven to cause cancer in this usage.

[@pauleyj8]

52:25 hahahaaahaa so funny! Michael cracked me up big time.

[@LaSpectress]

lmao this was great

[@greenie7603]

May you explain what was your interaction with law enforcement all about?

[@pipersolanas3322]

It's not even Philosophy. His video on Kant is so bad

[@basedcentrist3056]

I would love to come on and speak about gender. It's such a fascinating topic

[@basedcentrist3056]

The passport thing will be about the name change. They basically have to have their original birth certificate and proof of name change. You have to do this for particular jobs and other shit like bank loans for fraud reasons. So it's not particularly because they are trans

[@whosebuilderandmakerisgod]

I think I share your belief that people should have the freedom to identify however they want, but the problem is that we are pressured to see people as they see themselves regardless of whether we subscribe to that ideology or not

[@nonaturalbornmalesallowed]

21:30 So cringe? I think that word fits better here.

[@markh.876]

There's no suicide epidemic today either @ 25:14

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

Another trans-for-pay KZbin grifter in the mould of Contrapoints.

[@TM-vq4vv]

Can I discuss with you about the transgender subject? Because I’m kind of in the middle between gender critical and transgenderism.

[@TM-vq4vv]

I think your arguments about transgendeism can apply to homosexuality

[@KC_Streams]

@@TM-vq4vv Uhm... yes. If it's something you can type here you can type it here. Or you can go on the discord and DM me. Or we can even call on discord. Either way, if you want something more back-and-forth than youtube comment section, then discord is the way to go. The link up-top should work.

[@TM-vq4vv]

@@KC_Streams why you keep deleting my comments?

[@KC_Streams]

@@TM-vq4vv I'm not. KZbin sometimes deletes random comments on my channel. I've been trying to find a solution for a while now.

[@spellman007]

Lol you need to read liberalism a counter history.

[@davidmb1595]

Wat… how did the idea of being transgender originate? what you said aboy sexist psychoanalists sounds ineresting. I'd love to watch a video about that

[@LiamPorterFilms]

21:30 "unctuous", maybe?

[@user-fw2dd2cy3c]

Well, that guy ("Abigail") is not only delusional, he is, as you point out, bad at philosophy. But transgenderism has seemingly taken over the entire discipline of philosophy. It's such an absurd view, supported by such terrible arguments, that any decent undergraduate should be able to shred it. But the academy, including philosophy, is so thoroughly devoted to / cowed by the left wing that most are afraid to say anything against it--especially transgenderism. Friend of mine went to the Eastern meeting of the American Philosophical Association recently. This is, arguably, the most important annual meeting of philosophers in the world. He sat in a room and listened while a feminist argued that anyone anti-"trans" was basically insane. A group of about 40 philosophers sat there in silence listening to this. According to him, the fear was palpable. No one made a peep of objection.

[@evanrandall1675]

Wait a second so she at first was just giving away knowledge from recent classes, but detransitioned, cut hair, grew a beard and swore everyone to secrecy? You know for...reasons. Then years later comes out once the channel is big? This doesn't make sense. I mean why?

[@Anny95290]

21:24 did u mean "cringy"? :DDD

[@gracep2910]

This dude is a joke to look at. Thanks for the video!

[@misotahini52]

It is just smoke and mirrors. I have seen a few but don't really follow. I appreciate the effort she puts into production but I am not sure I have made it all the way through a video. The videos I did watch were just before the transformation. I did catch a vibe this was coming.

[@nonaturalbornmalesallowed]

'Will H' in the chat is freaking annoying. I hope he gets blocked.

[@nonaturalbornmalesallowed]

27:50 This!

[@magm1377]

I strongly disagree that you can "reverse the effects" of abortion or that it's not permanent. I agree puberty blockers are permanent, but I think your abortion argument/comparison is flawed. Are you a Christian who supports abortion? I'm curious about your full take on the issue.

[@HebaruSan]

Maybe his passport still says he's a dude or uses his birth name? Agreed it's weird not to explain what that means.

[@ftminceii7998]

Disgusting misandric male body shaming against balding men, ew

[@nineteenfortyeight6762]

He was dismissive of everybody's problems, except his own need for a makeover

[@jaythehuman2552]

This whole comments section is never gonna get laid.

[@andrea-mj9ce]

Has he undergone surgery?

[@graceajones5288]

Did you just delete my comment?

[@KC_Streams]

Nope. I apologise sometimes things seem to get taken down automatically

[@graceajones5288]

I starred out the naughty words so hopefully that helps haha

[@graceajones5288]

It’s been taken down again

[@KC_Streams]

@@graceajones5288 Urgh it's weird it doesn't even go to my spam folder... Honestly it's very annoying

[@vasilyfamilienko4318]

@@graceajones5288 KZbin is deleting automatically many comments. Like if you write black, white, gender or trans and then in same sentence something bad or something that is about losing life. Some bad words are removed automatically as well. Of course misogyny and women-hate is not removed automatically. It is pretty annoying, yeah.

[@suigeneris2663]

12:30 Fascism is merely a form of government. It doesn’t favor straight white males per se. Right now a good argument can be made that China is fascist. Likewise, if you were talking about Nazism, Hitler viewed race somewhat differently. In present-day America and the UK, I’d be classified as white, whereas Hitler would’ve deported me to the camps for being a Slav (which, incidentally, is where much of the actual R1a1a haplogroup is located, i.e., east of Germany). Just sayin.

[@marie-claudeblais6025]

racisr much?

[@karlsandstrom]

Okay dude you need to be more coherent and consistent. For example the critisism on liberalism is just bad from your part. If nothing else you are litteraly just missing the point. Intentional och unintentional.

[@KC_Streams]

Alright, restate the point.

[@karlsandstrom]

@@KC_Streams The fact that its in the foundation of liberalism to build in exceptions. Such philosofers as John Stuart Mill and John Locke, that execption and inconsistances are a core part of liberalism. Using the USA as an example of how early attempts of Liberalism is put to practice. This is nothing more strange than pointing out the disastrous attempts to implement communism in china and russia.

[@KC_Streams]

@@karlsandstrom Right, so are you saying that a society where liberal principles are applied consistently is less liberal than a society where they are applied inconsistently? Because if a core part of liberalism is inconsistency, then surely that must mean that the more inconsistent a liberal society is, the more liberal it is?

[@ultravioletiris6241]

@@KC_Streams nice

[@graceajones5288]

I’ll write this again because it seems like my last comment was deleted. Do you have any proof or statistical backing to prove that transgender people were not committing suicide pre the 90s? Could it not be that they didn’t have the language/concept to describe their gender dysphoria and as such their deaths were recorded under other psychological causes (scizophrenia, depression etc)

[@KC_Streams]

Well the issue is it's impossible to cause a negative, but the point is that if it was so inescapably real as some trans activists claim it is, you'd think it would have been observed as a phenomenon

[@Love25648]

@@KC_Streams To be honest we can’t accurately say this

[@ambientjohnny]

@@Love25648 Well you certainly can't claim the opposite then either.

[@khk8155]

The issue is complicated, because we don't have date so you can't claim either way. But for claims that PT is making, he would have to prove that those people were killing themselves from dead naming and misgendering, which would be rather difficult. I suppose that transsexualas could kill themselves in the past, buy from actuall bullying, violence etc. and not a pity stuff like I mentioned earlier.

[@kate7011]

what

[@vVvnNnbBb]

The word your looking for is *cringe*

[@ems3991]

Who in their right mind would go through puberty if it is optional?

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

Lots of people. It's called growing up. Kids want to grow up.

[@jellyfish0311]

@@ASMRyouVEGANyet Kids want the end result, becoming an adult, but they don't like the in-between. Once the process ends they tend to feel a lot better.

[@ftminceii7998]

Idk man you have long hair and no beard and you're skinny, you should be afraid of fash Britain

[@ftminceii7998]

@ what?

[@MsDidi38]

The word you're looking for is cringey. It's soo cringeeyy!!

[@meepmeepinton]

I would say that the reluctance to come out isn't weird. I'm bi and still haven't come out to my family even though they're progressive. Also I think abbys fear isn't necessarily just down to thinking people will be mean. Whether you agree with her gender identity or not, the fact still stands that trans people are more likely to be murderered and suffer hate crimes

[@seagreenmoon13]

More likely than average men, less likely than women.

[@seagreenmoon13]

They also have male crime patterns. In 2017 out of 125 trans male convictions in UK 60 was sex offenders, 27 from them was convicted for rape. Female inmates suffered from male abuse in womens prison, how the f is that was allowed to happen?

[@meepmeepinton]

@@seagreenmoon13 I'm not too sure what that has to do with my point about being afraid of murder?

[@clownworldhereticmyron1018]

@@meepmeepinton You stated "trans people are more likely to be murdered" in your comment. That is extremely vague to the point it cannot be confirmed or denied. The person who responded provided a less vague version.

[@nineteenfortyeight6762]

If you control for profession, transwomen are no more likely to be murdered than other men. Prostitutes get murdered though, and transwomen are more likely to be prostitutes than are other groups. Stop hooking and you're safe. So stop hooking.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

Didn't know you had a philosophy degree too.

[@KC_Streams]

Ah y'know what actually I cut out a bit because it was a bit long and rambly (yes... the videos that I upload are after I've cut out some stuff I consider to be long and rambly, so if you think they're rambly after they've been uploaded, wait until you see them before then.) But basically I took an unnecessary long time to say "I did a politics degree for which a decent chunk of it was focused on political philosophy". So yeah, no proper philosophy degree.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

@@KC_Streams I'd actually like to see more discussions on how bad PT's philosophy actually is. You don't need skits to argue your points :P