Breaking Down The Best AWC Game In History (Echo VS Liquid)

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[@Dybvad1992]

I love the energy Supatease puts into his work. it just magnifies the skill of the players and immersive watching experience. And he NEVER misses when a kill lands.

[@buildalifeworthliving4551]

Definitely. They are really good, have come a long way too!

[@rabee53]

It amazes me how good cdew does with dragon healing.

[@joeschmoe-q1d]

He did great man

[@robertgowdey]

Why didn't he play resto

[@-MagnusTF]

@@robertgowdeythey needed more damage to secure kills, and dragon can provide better dps for their go’s

[@nickvandersanden4133]

​@@robertgowdeyhe is the next dragonboy

[@soccerawesome1000]

Yeah fr, that healer is hard af

[@Foretelling]

Your casting commentary is so good, man. Idk how you casters manage to keep your attention on practically everything all at once and speak so quickly and fluidly about what's going on.

[@WoWLoLSC2Whatev]

Totally agree I love commentary from these guys they are so knowledgeable. I will say that as these guys are also avid players of the game at the highest level they are able to recognize what's important and they see even the smallest details. Commentary done by people who know what's up is so so much better than people who only just know though to get by

[@christianhoyer3255]

They been playing the game for 15 + years and also probably training for it. Not so hard to understand tbh

[@joeschmoe-q1d]

​@christianhoyer3255 yet your not good enough to play or cast lol you would clam up and get fired mid fight shut up kid we all know it

[@beeman4266]

When you've played the game at such a high level as long as them you know what the players are going to do before they do it. They know what the win conditions and if someone is at risk of dying. The casters know intuitively what to tune out and what to focus on. Ziqo, venruki, and supatease are all multi glads and I'm pretty sure they've even competed at some point. You couldn't ask for better casters for awc. It's like this with anything though, eventually you just intuitively understand what's going on and can focus on the small details that matter.

[@Foretelling]

@@christianhoyer3255 Are you one of those people who exist solely to try and detract from others?

[@Foretelling]

Hahaha Ziqo hyperventilating when Liquid come back

[@Foretelling]

Cdew is a fucking incredible player. We all knew this already, but man, he is so, so good.

[@arthurlul]

washed up dadgamer bro, lost 1-4.

[@joeschmoe-q1d]

​@@arthurlulan no 1 has herd of u lol imagine being washed up an not even relevant in life trying to tell pros who thousands of ppl know that they're washed lmao your life must suck bud

[@shaneprince6572]

@@arthurlul your prob hardstuck 2.4k

[@spaceparrot8702]

@@shaneprince6572 Players' this kind of "competitiveness" actually scares me. Yall have no life lol.

[@shaneprince6572]

@@spaceparrot8702 You comment this... on a wow pvp video. look in the mirror schizo

[@theo90907]

I remember I was randomly on the ptr and just saw Trill on the training dummy. Feel like he just lives in this game.

[@TheMrsinister00]

I think if blizzard did a in person tournament It would get 50k+ viewers

[@xChachio]

@16:50 "nah ... nah ...." by ziqo is my fav part of this whole clip

[@quondot3266]

Craziest match i think we've all ever seen. 10/10 commentating and breakdown as always ♥

[@effortlessGFX]

Orange marmalade definitely still 1st. But close.

[@raymondandsweetheart7150]

Its crazy how good TL plays. Unfortunately they always seem to get burn out at the finals.

[@kasper1241]

How many games did Liquid win on EU ping?

[@Lord_Zuko69]

Setup a server in Iceland or Greenland for cross region tournaments to give both regions an equal amount of ping.

[@vizxd2422]

Sucks the stuff with Jelly happened and that he never got to play. Jelly is such an insane hunter, and I'm sure he could multiclass at the same level. Just seems like the Move is almost dead set on ONLY playing RPS. I feel like the situation with Mes is a little different since he has been utilized in the past when the team was maining walking dead. Theres just not a good position for Mes at the moment, but he has had a ton of play time in the past. I barely remember seeing Jelly in a handful of games in the last 4 years.

[@quintenmangelschots7250]

What happened with Jelly though ? Did he just leave the team or is there more to the story than that ?

[@vizxd2422]

@@quintenmangelschots7250 not sure. The only thing I've heard is that jelly said they were shitty friends. Idk what the circumstances of him leaving were.

[@itstoxicqt]

Trill is absolutely insane! Pve pvp

[@jeroenoverwater6638]

Best tourny in a while. Besides the ping, this was hands down a collection of the best games in the last years. Good to step out of the mono-region-same-teams format :).

[@madDjakni]

I think the only fair way to have an online tournament would be hosting the servers in Australia

[@jimmey.sjoestroem]

Imagine chat spamming about being washed and then you get 4-1 in the finals? Must be rough losing every year, to the superior region - EU.

[@jaypietersen6093]

I am a filthy peasant and don't know what 'snowball tech' is, plz explain. Snowball pressure?

[@lesgrossmanLAB]

@18:58 you can see a HoT breakdown where Trill’s Magic Snowball did a 50k heal. It’s a low proc 2 piece set bonus called “Playful Spirit’s Fur”.

[@rashash9954]

ask Raiku if he Loose if he will say the same thing, the 1st thing Echo will Tweet is Ping disadvantage. PS : Ping does matter, its just that Echo are reigning supreme in the AWC forever so its completely possible to win with the ping issues, that doesn't mean that Liquid are bad or the other teams are bad but echo is just better than them all and history proves it.

[@MrMk82]

You are right. If this was on LAN, it would have been a walk in the park for Echo.

[@kasper1241]

The ping was a huge issue. Liquid only won 1 game the ENTIRE tournament on EU ping. And they still managed to come second in the tournament. That says a lot in my opinion. I think Raiku was completely within the limits of fair sportsmanship. The only reason why the Liquid players tried to downplay it with the whole "it is what it is" statements was because they had the advantage. I'm 100% sure Cdew would have complained on Twitter had it been the other way around. Like he always complains about metas that don't fit their team.

[@ivicapavic3381]

if money is the only issue, just reduce the overall prize pool a little bit and use the extra to cover the players' trip and hotel costs

[@popesymbolism9365]

Wow that was amazing. I fuckkng love dragonflight tbh idk why ppl hate on it shits so fun and virtually all specs are playable which in most xpacs I played was vastly not the case.

[@adams5456]

Thanks for this incredible breakdown on why to not bother trying retail pvp again this xpack!

[@Zetherior]

200ms is 0.2 seconds. not two seconds. one second is made of 1000 milliseconds.

[@SvenChoba]

Yo this is like the new best moment in gaming

[@robinluger9424]

the snowball damage in his breakdown was actually alot. i wonder if thats legal and if people just werent aware of this until now

[@Kodama666]

as someone who is missing luminosity not fighting liquid constantly, it was really awesome to see an eu team come out and dominate, give em a run for their money maybe theres a new rivalry brewing on the scene and im all for it. Could be very interesting to see how their strategies against eachother make both teams evolve into even crazier players yet again Also yea its such a shame that blizzard has no clue how to design or balance unholy dk or most melee for that matter and therefore mes never gets to be lord mes in his glory

[@maagi1]

This was second time in row Echo dominated NA teams

[@Kodama666]

@@maagi1 I'm well aware that's what I said and this comment is months old what are yah doing here

[@yuyuy193]

best AWC game in history imo was the RMPala mirror in mop jah/pikaboo/gorecki vs rubcub and idr the rogue/mage name i think it was wealthyman

[@ScottyGonzales]

Link to game?

[@Mando0Melkor]

Thril doing the pve rotation LOL

[@maddog6685]

Ofc Ping did matter in the finals because echo would have clean 4-0 Liquid LUL

[@deemed1287]

Great video. Love watching you breakdown this stuff!

[@Ahlizz]

How great would it be if all the bemched great talent made their own team with some good healer they found and just took the whole thing :')

[@punker2534]

Every PvEer like me needs to see this game to appreciate PvP in its glory!

[@Iwatchmovies126]

Welcome to our world of ping here in South Africa. We HAVE to play with 165ping min. :( some times it can easy go to 250. And some of us still manages to get 2k rating.

[@kasper1241]

A great game, but the only games that were competitive were the ones on West Coast ping. Echo completely smashed Liquid in every game on EU ping.

[@phobia60]

Epic!!! Best game I’ve seen in years!!!! 🔥

[@Fortyozkilluh]

weird to not see drake, prev, brain, and ceralium.

[@gruuzol6280]

Ofc rogue is still everywhere

[@caaltaga]

What If the guys that made it to the finals lose to the team that comes from the lower bracket in a best of 5. It resets and then they play again (i think they do something like that in fighting games)

[@BlindMotherF]

Tournamentrealms should be in Iceland

[@brunoregis5158]

some say liquid lost the finals because bro broke his hand on that defenseless chair.. some say i'm lying lmao

[@jon1805]

rat is the eu crusader, all disrespect intended

[@alexervin4321]

go the other way, delay those that have short ping.

[@lacai527]

25:19 1000ms=1sec so he was playing whit quarter second ping, which is still much 3 seconds would be no can do.

[@caaltaga]

Edit: i used to play with 300 ms ping and i believe its "just" supposed to be around 0.3 seconds delay, wich does suck specially as melee, but is not 3 seconds. Wish that was the final match. It was epic. Moonkin seems like a bit of a liability, i would die IRL if i was either sam and cdew watching that healthbar lol.

[@OWnIshiiTrolling]

300 ms are exactly 0.3 s. That is how metric prefixes work.

[@caaltaga]

@@OWnIshiiTrolling thank you, that's exactly what I said. When the game shows 300ms it's around 0.3s delay, is not exact and it fluctuates. And not 3s as I believe Ven said

[@OWnIshiiTrolling]

@@caaltaga It's supposed to be exactly 0.3 second. It isn't in reality but that doesn't mean that it is "supposed to be around" 0.3 seconds. Your struggle with the concept of "exactly" thus, unfortunately, persists.

[@caaltaga]

@@OWnIshiiTrolling if its not 0.3s in reality then it is not exact. Thank you. Glad we agree.

[@kasper1241]

Liquid only won 1 game the ENTIRE tournament on EU ping (against Lava Lava). So I think it's pretty safe to say that the ping made a pretty huge difference.

[@cci9459]

If I had a nail between my buttcheeks, by the end of this game it would have been a razor blade...god damn amazing to witness such mastery of the game. I love wow pvp!

[@killerch0]

NA Geography kekw :) But a serious question. Wouldn't east coast NA have "0" latency and be best? if prize pool is bigger, players would fly to east coast?

[@darksn2957]

Trill is pinpoint with his rotation on every class. min-maxing your dmg in pvp pays off big aswell. he admitted that he practices his rotation for hours on target dummies before the races to world first

[@benito_swagolini]

or just bring back LAN tourneys yeah its a lot of money but microsoft (they bought blizz recently) is a 3.028 trillion dollar company almost so i dont see the problem lmao they could 100% fund the next like 20 tourneys for LAN

[@kasper1241]

Echo would have absolutely smashed Liquid on LAN. Liquid were not even close to winning any of the games on EU ping.

[@kerkertrandov459]

Why does LoL, dota 2, cs go etc. all have lan tourneys but blizzard is too cheap to make one or what? Or is it because the teams (except for liquid and echo) arent real teams and they know players cant afford hotel and plane tickets? Cuz if they had real sponsored teams like TSM, C9, Faze etc. they'd be the one paying for hotel and tickets, but since in wow most teams dont have sponsor and blizzard is too cheap to pay or what?

[@Regenicss]

300ms is actually only 0.3 second delay.

[@ivicapavic3381]

if you've ever played PvP or any FPS game online, you won't ever use the word "only" to describe a 300ms latency again.

[@kerkertrandov459]

Get used to 5 ping and 25 will make you pull your hair out. Get used to 25 and 45 will make you pull your hait out. Every +20 ping is a night and day difference. 10 is a decent difference, 15 is a lot and 20 is fucking huge. Ive played on 26, 33 and 49 ping and the gap between the first two and the last was massive. Like legit i wanted to uninstall the game when i had 49 ping, but thankfully i changed ISP and ping went back to normal. Anything over 50 ping is too high imo for a competitive real time game. Like if u dont have lower than 50 ping in a game dont even bother playing.

[@blerp6675]

Trill is a god

[@salvm4715]

RIP Chair...

[@glennramstad8705]

i rarely scream! but i couldnt help it! this fight was insane! so impressed by both teams!

[@theChef1337]

bro please make a team with jelly and crusader. it would be top tier content and save wow pvp. twitch would explode. do it for the VIEWS

[@Maybeabandaid9]

That is probably the best game I have seen since skillcapped and bleached bones back in the day.

[@Percadu]

*Laughs in Australian ping

[@maagi1]

EU ping*

[@Percadu]

@@maagi1 Au ping is much worse than Eu ping though....

[@maagi1]

@@Percadu Yeah, but nobody of them had AU ping

[@Percadu]

@@maagi1 But they complain about the ping they get when playing the cross region tournment. Meanwhile AU (and maybe other Oceanic countries) play with worse ping than they do every single day.

[@Irudium1]

WHY IS IT SO QUIET

[@maagi1]

Because Venruki was breaking it down

[@Hitmaster8]

The ping thing sucks but it's still the next best thing after a lan. And if blizz cba doing lan, then I'd still rather have this than no cross region at all. Amazing tourney regardless, imo. Insane games between the best of the best. As a WW main, I was happy seeing Hoolibang having so much success with their unorthodox comp, even though they didnt make it all the way.

[@keats27]

Why was Jellybeans not there? Is he out of Teh Move? Does he have a new team? Will he?

[@truthiz2805]

He was kicked out of The Move and a lot of drama happened, his relationship with the team was severely affected and its unclear where theyre at at the moment. But he's longer with the team thats for sure

[@keats27]

@@truthiz2805 bummer he probably feels sick...but lot we aren't seeing I guess.

[@hieloz]

@@truthiz2805source?

[@Waduuheck]

@@hielozit's on the wow pvp subreddit, but it looks like they talked about it on twitch. Idk if the vods are still up

[@truthiz2805]

@@hieloz You can watch his videos from him stream, ive seen parts where he talks about it

[@PawanM]

HOLY FREAKING A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LETS GO NA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@maagi1]

NA lost lol

[@vindice5849]

I honestly feel like if there wasn't a ping discrepancy, it would have gone differently

[@Scallers813]

Lontar sealing the game with that play was epic

[@Volbx]

FK THE MOVE

[@jamessmith-k7o]

demon hunter so dumb 50% of the ladder is that disgusting class

[@Blekk101]

Have all the players from all regions meet at a secret base in the Bermuda Triangle where they battle on LAN. It’s the only way I’m sure everyone will agree

[@egonstenback5277]

orangemarmalade 1v2 in IEM, HON vs SK gaming asia! In a game match for SK and turned it around to win the tournament after that!

[@jovanbanks5277]

As much as I love WoW, Esport wow is just not it, It is so boring to watch. I think the emphasis on high end PvP is what is truly killing this game. Building this game's pvp around 3v3 arena in hopes of people watching it as an Esport is driving people who actually play the game away.

[@maagi1]

For most pvp players 3v3 is most fun

[@ramzabeoulve9820]

Golden Guardians vs Cloud 9 was cool. 2v3 come back.

[@Itswilly_g]

Euro gamers will always be better than NA. Europe wipes in mythic+ pvp and rwf

[@kerkertrandov459]

This applies to LoL and Cs go too. What makes eu better? Is it the food? Eu has banned lots of harmful ingredients that NA allows, so maybe the food is making NA brain worse? Or is it the ping? Eu avg ping is like 25 while NA is 50-60. Or is it the money and the competitive drive? Na is rich so they're complacent?

[@mikeram9231]

I watched all and it was amazing

[@LeopoldCyril-v5p]

Lopez Brenda Taylor Angela Robinson Dorothy

[@stefm9263]

Echoes just won because DH is waay overtuned. they did not deserve it. Blizzard balancing at its worst....any other non-DH team deserved this victory more (I dont have a favorite).

[@Zulej112]

Then why wouldnt everyone play IT 😂

[@fok8810]

Demon hunter

[@robertlane367]

Think servers should alternate... best 3/5 /roll closest to 100 calls first server location...only USA east coast or west coast EU

[@kerkertrandov459]

Eu players should vpn to NA while na ones will vpn to eu. This will always increase the ping of the lower ping team and likely reduce the ping of the higher ping team, bridging the gap

[@chaosi17]

I need a evoker breakdown cuz its so hard healing with pres in 3v3 😢 pls cdaddy

[@MikeGizzle407]

That was a crazy game

[@jcvm8915]

wow

[@noahtesoro800]

where was Luminosity in these cups?

[@maagi1]

They quit

[@brianmcdaniels8249]

Howcome Bethany, the best mage in the game, sits around in reg bgs, and then baits all the youtubers and paid players into failure when they face her/him? Is it because they work for nasa?

[@jeff230394]

Why is supatease wears those clothes definitely don't suit him lol

[@atmbest3714]

lontarito dominating

[@GoonBayBee]

first? ven notice me!

[@magnificencetv7424]

it might be a one of the best games i've seen but i'm sorry the number 1 spot for greatest game of all time will always go to the goat himself: Orangemarmalade.

[@darksn2957]

i feel lontar getting hate is related to him flaming every average solo shuffle player that he plays on his stream. dont like this guy anymore

[@bigbelly8649]

16:54 holy fuck

[@benjk843]

4-1

[@Jackaroo.]

WHAAAAAT

[@Moonwired]

The sad part is, this clutch play made them so over confident in the comp they instant locked it every time in the grandfinals and just got destroyed. If they just tried something else they could’ve won. Definitely insanity at play here.

[@kasper1241]

Liquid didn't win a single game against Echo on EU ping.

[@merlinmanson8999]

lol what a game wow

[@vitaigergely5451]

You see? 30% damp and the top rated players start panic playing. This effect of dampening kills the pvp and skill doesnt matter anymore when its reach at least 30%. From that time, the class decides class design decide. This is why wow pvp is a mess today. (y i know ppl hates long matches, then dont play mmorpg :) )

[@issolol]

Eu > US get farmed us losers

[@RhodesianSuperiority]

Its beyond me that the bracket is set up so that liquid can go undefeated, beat a team to the lower bracket, and then not get an advantage best of 8 against the team they already beat. It should be echo needed 6 wins and/or liquid would need 4. Kinda bs a team can get practice against you, lose, and come back with way more knowledge then win 🙄

[@josephallender4039]

Yeah I don’t understand how echo didn’t have to beat liquid twice to win the bracket?

[@hieloz]

You bring up a good point, however if Echo lost in the lower bracket and then Chibaku Tensei went on to beat Liquid in the finals no one would really say anything. so I guess no matter what you have to be prepared in the finals and not have additional points just accumulate cause you beat a team before the final

[@kerkertrandov459]

Liquid dodged both The Move and Chibaku Tensei, the latter could have absolutely beaten em on a decent day. They also had ping advantage on most of their wins. It's insane.

[@kerkertrandov459]

​@@josephallender4039 because final score was 6-4 for Echo, no need for bracket reset

[@derkaman123123]

Wonder how much he gets paid to cast the tourneys

[@trillline4563]

I asked him today why he did more damage than Pikaboo he told me Pika is utility setup for Wizk to do damage so its different technique vs him and sam which is straight up Dam with less DR on stuns.

[@Hatoreus]

I hate seeing cdew so happy.

[@StrongKickMan]

wow pvp is just ass to watch

[@SLSAMG]

Imagine still playing this garbage in 2024

[@Tyzen7]

Sub carries its that simple. The spec can 1 shot someone easier than any other spec in the game

[@Bitchlasagna69]

Sub rogue is extremely weak and you have to execute a complicated series of attacks and cc to "oneshot" anyone cut the cap man

[@Tyzen7]

@@Bitchlasagna69 Ain't no cap bro, it's annihilates everything and is basically impossible to beat 1v1

[@Bitchlasagna69]

@@Tyzen7 1v1 a dh can easily destroy a sub rogue and that's a 3 button class man

[@Sam-cruel]

@@Bitchlasagna69 DH n rogue are equally obnoxious garbage, not a single class in the entire game is "hard to play", stop pretending like sub rogue requires you to be some kind of pianist to play. Sub rogues are the type of players that puts 16 copies of kidneyshot on their keybinds n pretend its a fundamental requirement to play the class when in reality you can play it like a fury warrior n see decent success due to the fact that the spec is completely immortal unless you decide to tab out to watch youtube. Sub doesnt have particularly many abilities in the first place. Its like a warrior talking about stormbolt being hard to utilize because it might DR with shockwave.

[@Bitchlasagna69]

@@Sam-cruelDamn you gotta be trolling with this take, let's see you go hit glad on sub since it's so easy bro, update me when you're done and provide proof ;)

[@Asmodeius]

didnt watch a single game of AWC but if i had to place a bet on team comp alone. i'd give it to DH lock sham

[@moulderzmoulder]

its important for every NA wow player to realize that EU is far more superior. if this is understood. it will actually end world hunger, cure cancer and end the war in ukraine. pls boyz. just accept and breathe. luv u. ps: max is very short smol guy. uwu

[@moulderzmoulder]

pps: how in the world is a 48 year old cdew still the best healer in the world. this guy plays like he was on epsteins island. wow what a legend.

[@MarcusHamilton-n7i]

300 ping is 0.3 second delay, still a lot but not 3 seconds

[@gmka3920]

I tried playing cross region, it's playable but so fucking annoying.

[@kasper1241]

How many games did Liquid win on EU ping?

[@kerkertrandov459]

West eu to east na is like 140 ping

[@ИлиянЛюцов-ш6щ]

Its not DR chaos nova, cdew has 1 charge left from full cc immunity :)

[@maagi1]

He said it. It was dr on Sam.