Cheating In WoW PvP Is Getting Out Of Control

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[@knifetoucher]

Meanwhile, the War who showed the kick macro to make community aware got banned immediately for whistleblowing and doing a good thing

[@cuneytunsal5422]

Whos the war

[@dyner2369]

Whats the kick macro?

[@Coheed420]

@@dyner2369it’s fixed since last season but it was a macro you could make for your kick and you could spam it and would only kick the second someone casted a kickable spell. It was basically a bug someone discovered.

[@dyner2369]

@@Coheed420 ahhh yeah i see which one you mean

[@kadov3579]

I am a cheat dev, i tried bringing what i know to blizzard by video in a private server so they wouldn't ban me, someone ended up getting back to me and there are multiple ways to detect this but they genuinely don't care. they can 100% detect the input within the system on driver side or on send-input.

[@XhaouSin]

they would rather ban players for saying "bad or sad" instead of actaully fixing the game.

[@leequesada439]

This exactly. Got Language filter and ignore they can force people to use, but they just ban everybody and let cheaters prosper.

[@MichaelScottVaughnTheSecond]

so true, unsubbed and uninstalled the game earlier today, and bnet.

[@mythicshaman]

@@MichaelScottVaughnTheSecond based. stay true to the cause king

[@creature6667]

They dont even do that bro you can say anything in wow. They are so greedy they don't want players to leave. League on the other hand is a different story.

[@vermeire123]

They dont they silebce you for a week and longer if it happens again. Happend to me last week for calling out a bot.

[@mcvalley1273]

Blizzard needs to get rid of API reading addons and severely limit Macros. Just keep QoL visual addons or allows players to have a fully customizable UI and youll see PvP flourish

[@kevinworley7096]

The new UI does, but 100% agree about addons/macros

[@ahiwalter9153]

This is a huge problem yes, but the main issue with PvP is the barrier of entry. Players essentially need to learn 12 different classes to be decent at the game

[@eloniewordan8890]

Ban all addons

[@domoariscotto7486]

@@eloniewordan8890 that would be amazing, but imagine they do that...people will find ways to insert the addons still so they'll have an even bigger advantage because the honest people won't be using them. People just fucking suck...

[@bojnebojnebojne]

It's how the game is built issue, it may sound like it's easy to just disable addons from reading the API, but it's not that simple. Many visuals also need to read the API to relay information etc. There is no way to completely remove botting from a game. Cheaters always find a way to abuse any game. Removing addons will take care of some of it, but not curate it.

[@reneheins5149]

people need to unsubscribe to force blizzard to pay attention. the only time companies change is when the bottom line is in question.

[@zwabTheRealOne]

"We hear you, we've shutdown the game, laid off most of the staff, and moved the remainder to Warcraft rumble development."

[@hamleyxd3352]

this has been proven time and time again with countless games that it does not work.

[@avopeac6300]

yeah all 200 pvp players need to quit

[@j0el]

They don't care they like their bot subs

[@svsv1191]

If all pvpers quit they dont notice lol

[@kyleh7056]

Here is the cycle: -last week video: “player participation is down. Why don’t healers want to que?” -this week video: “wow has a cheating problem.” -next weeks video: “pvp participation at an all time low. Why don’t people que?”

[@StealingYourWiFi]

Sad and vicious cycle.

[@user-vl4lf7hv4x]

Yeah, the messed up thing is that you get hit with a forum ban for "naming and shaming" if you bring light to any botter...while there is no action taken against the exploiter/cheater.

[@DoublebrutalCS2]

I have spent at least 2 months of the last year silenced from forums for calling out bot software and/or botting players.

[@Drualeaf]

You get silenced on there and reported as a troll for just complaining about the cheating.

[@Drualeaf]

@@DoublebrutalCS2SAME!

[@Drualeaf]

@@DoublebrutalCS2 the community is beyond toxic at this point.

[@xanbroderick]

Tin Foil Hat Theory: Blizzard created the sophisticated bots to help reduce queue times for SS.

[@SamMathewsOfficial]

I was thinking it could be possible blizz is making them.

[@trev_tha_rev6708]

i think issue was more so healers not que'ing up there was an abundance of dps just not enough healers? maybe its different at the peak ratings though

[@rickroll9705]

if that was the intention bots would be healers

[@MD99.]

They would make healers then... More DPS = increased queue times lol...

[@teplokot8124]

They have done this with hearthstone actually so you might be onto something. Put the hat aside

[@HonchoHundo]

the bots in RuneScape respond.. is next level shit actually the bots will even complain about botting when asked how they feel about the game lmao

[@codyrompalo9661]

i remember when monks were hard botting and on my d priest i would drop barrier at the start of the game at a random spot for shits and giggles and they would instantly RoP it to prove they were bots.

[@BelzeSensei]

What add on do you use to track ennemi GCD in livetime? (Not only big CD with bigdebuffs, omniCD, gladius etc..)

[@Kuraskvids]

I talked about this like two weeks ago on the reddit and I got shat on by people calling me a liar and that Im coping about my rating

[@rickroll9705]

they are not really that common to the point of taking down ur rating, and as youc an see they are easily coutnered by a wall lol

[@Kuraskvids]

@@rickroll9705 I wasn't complaining about my rating at all, I was complaining about obvious cheating in my matches.

[@Drualeaf]

Yep. The community is toxic af.

[@MrVoltron23]

@@rickroll9705they are extremely common at higher ratings.

[@miikkamansnerus5403]

Whos video was it where there was the elemental one button macro? It was somehow related to the rogue macro thing

[@christoffer5875]

Ive seen these DH and outlaw bots for months, and no one believed me. The way they can path to stealth is what gives it away initially every time for me. The outlaw bot behaves exactly the same.

[@fabriciolbr]

Is this from shadowlands? Cuz im seeing hunter kyrian ability and we dont have these anymore, do we? I dont remember seeing it available in DF

[@heikolindenthal6741]

my god that's nuts :D what we should look into next is win-trading in solo-shuffle. i've been queueing quite a bit at around 2400 cr (healer) and some lobbies just feel incredibly off. Like no matter what you do, your teammates miracolously forget how to play the game when they're on your team. and it's not like they're just having a bad round. they will straight up refuse to make plays or trade cooldowns that should be absolutely standard at this rating. whenever you go an check the enemy healer after the match, its always the same pattern: 2000 - 2200 - 2400 - 2700 achievments earned within a couple of days, getting glad one or two seasons and boom, rival bracket in every other season. the story just doesn't add up. it's really frustrating, you usally go 0-6 in these lobbies with absolutely no agency. i know that it's extremely hard to prove, and sometimes you just get unlucky lobbies where things just don't go your way. I'd be interested though if anybody else has had a similar experience.

[@Terpenefiend]

yes there is wintrading happening big time in ss

[@eliotness107]

Robodrome has clipping issues for the bots too. I ran into full bot teams on the 3v3 ladder and standing on top of the ramp in the corner, the bots would just bug out and walk off the edge everytime they came up.

[@Bobbobington123]

There was a botted dh in crusaders solo shuffle aswell it was getting trapped on the ramp in mugambala areba

[@peterolive1651]

im getting warrior bots aswell when i play my dh and i go press rain from above 0.1s the warr casts spell reflect if stormbolt is on cd if stormbolt aint on cd he casts stormbolt on 0.1s i press rain from above

[@Brutalismus_]

Blizzards own casters exposing their own game

[@vasilboev1383]

I had 2 games last night in rated 3v3 below 1000 rating where we played against spriest affliction and the whole time the milisecond I pressed interrupt on the priest's shadow spells they start casting a heal...

[@averageoptions]

Is it only on DH or other classes as well?

[@PearlBagel]

This is bigger than wow. Cheating in all games is out of control. Combine that with the disgusting business practices we are seeing and it makes me question whether this hobby is even worth it anymore.

[@caaltaga]

Do you think they could implement something like that with various levels of competence (like 1500 bots, 1800 bots, etc) so we can have some sort of arena training ground or better bot BGs Edit: and ofc ban it when used by players

[@jono9547]

Yup happened to me the other day in wintergrasp, hunter was in a demo on low health afk i was guessing so destroyed the demo and then started on the hunter, as soon as i start to shoot his pet came for me straight away and he fired every single shot at me in like 10 seconds and killed me , but he didn't move one bit, wasn't even facing me head on then a rogue came along and killed him because im guessing the bot couldnt reset quick enough.

[@CondorWoW]

Enjoyed your presence on the PoddyC!

[@pickleadam2]

Link to the bot?

[@Blindsaplol]

the worst part is they ban people for trashtalking in chat of soloq instantly ( even blizzcon challengers and thus not allowing them to play in the finals) but they are waiting the end of the season to do a massive banwave of bots.... This is the worst part imo, that they ll ban people just for being toxic instead of cheating . Blizzard doing a great job as usual.

[@Rocksy7]

yeah because western company they cater to people like venruki and other players that get their heart broken and instantly report if someone is being toxic it's normal these companies will die slowly

[@Spectre1Gaming]

If they get rid of all addons it may help solve this issue with Bots because I am pretty sure some of their program functions through 1 or more addons.

[@zimek]

recently you have strange lag cheat in arenas. Guy is playing without any lags and then suddenly when he is low he is jumping over whole arena

[@ToVisitOctober]

Unfortunately, it is easier to recognize a bot when you make the game less complex as their decision making is more obvious. People would be able to point out that a bot keeps blowing it’s one burst CD or gap closer CD at the start of every match with the assumption their opponent would go out in the open. That, however, is much more difficult to do when blizzard shoved a bunch of CDs into the game to make their game seem more challenging. All they did was make the game harder for real players while making it easier for A.I. to cruise control.

[@loyalsandman]

yeah I have seen that guy too, it's disc too. some of them flat out say bot, "wizbot"

[@timmysv1992]

I hate when i have a sick session... but a wall is stopping me from getting gladiator consistant :(

[@miturtow]

8:07 yup, some bots have those automatic responses. Some of the more modern bots have AI chatbots connected, so they can have full on conversations with you.

[@user-ks2xq7rv9y]

I did a solo shuffle on a brand new character and i think there was only 1 other real player. Better yet these bots were SO BAD just kind of running in random directions, not casting things all fight, would stand next to another "player" and neither of them even target eachother.

[@random-access-youtube6812]

Ive gotten a 3 day ban for returning profanity to someone. It happened inside of 12hrs..but botters are untouchable?!?

[@Terpenefiend]

I legit cant even say anything to players doing this or I'll be perma banned. They need to fix this, like now. Even at 2k mmr, im running into botters every 10 games or less.

[@serthaen8]

First time I have pushed PvP this expansion seriously because of Shuffle on my monk hit 2400 first season, 2550 second season and legend, and finally hit nearly 2500 again this season. However, about a month ago I am going through kick bot hell. Every caster I have gone against has constantly made me miss kicks. Usually really solid making kicks, but in the last 3 weeks, it’s been terrible. I’ve lost so much rating. Probably should just give up on solo shuffle ques at this point. Are 3’s like this?

[@rneverlast4638]

2500+ is harder then last season . ppl prob just better then you

[@finkruse3819]

The Fact he Probably no banned his way up to 2400 as Bot without getting detected is just unbeliveable :D

[@OldManDoom]

Forgetting about PvP and climbing on M+ has been so much more rewarding and fun. It really sucks, as even though I am totally a casual, I loved PvP

[@jamesphillips6729]

lets be honest - probably blizzard has actually put them in there to make the game seem active.

[@nightc0red]

Is there any benefit of botting in Arena other than doing it to get wins/troll? Do they sell the account afterward?

[@sai269]

Likely, there is a huge market for pvp and even pve accounts. I've seen accounts go from anywhere between 500-30,000$

[@nightc0red]

@@sai269 Yeah, that's the only thing I can think of unless they are doing piloted runs for boosting sites 🤔

[@NomNomNom1989]

Its really funny to me how suddenly this topic receives more attention because streamers see more of this side due to solo shuffle. Cause botting and cheating have always been present in wow. During BFA and Shadowlands I focused mainly on gold boosting from 0-1800cr on EU servers. And the stuff I saw was really funny, from basic stuff like instantly killing grounding totems or instant kicks on my heals to people who apperearently had no global cooldowns or people using abilities they shouldnt have in the first place. The good side was, that I was always to get rid of these people since I recorded all my arena games. But seeing bots with 7000 games makes me believe these days they dont care.

[@bulmer69JR]

Every Expansion I give arenas a try and I am always disappointed by blizzards lack of care

[@lacai527]

you need a keyboard also? i can click more dps! whit my laptop mouse pad

[@casko9626]

how do you lose to a bot?

[@RhythmofKracid]

DHs had more exploits than I could count in legion. Loads of invisible walls that werent high enough allowing them to jump out of bounds or through objects (most famously probably the tunnel jump on WSG). DH tanks could straight up disconnect you on maps like Eye of the Storm or in arenas by slamming you into terrain. I know quite a few people who got HOTA just abusing DH exploits.

[@StrobeFireStudios]

What a sad state of affairs.

[@Sicarii3030]

When you realize that those old d2 cbaalz-307 bots are now in WoW and other games? Rip

[@Gunship888]

Baal runs were the peak of my childhood 😂

[@cn-cz3nc]

its just a rotation bot that you have to buy the bot api and then you buy the rotations for pvp from the programmers that play those classes and they constantly update the rotation so its like 25 a month for the app and then 30 a week for the pvp rotation

[@1refi]

Wow used to do exactly that with people employed to watch bots

[@EternalAngel333]

Blizzard can detect kick botting as none of the kickbots have any randomization will always kick at x% of a cast or x seconds or miliseconds

[@DR-lh5vm]

Over the last couple years cheating has become a problem across all games not just wow, it's spreading like wildfire. I used to escape it by not playing shooters but it's spreading to mmorpgs and mobas as well. Just sad stuff.

[@noxious-5202]

They really do need to re-evaluate the report system, for those that get penalized on nothing or for saying minor things that technically I would argue as freedom-of-speech versus those that never get penalized that actually should recieve maximum punishment for gameplay sabotage or going directly against Blizzards "Terms of Service" without recieving any penalty.

[@drakkeplayz9048]

I did pvp from vanilla to wotlk, did grand marshal in vanilla, 2 time gladiator in bc, and casualy pvp in wotlk... this state of the game is aramaic language for me... i try to look at it and try to uderstand something about this video and im glad i get like 30% of it xD

[@jmsubs529]

what if these bots are from BLIZ? to help with que?

[@BeastMastery]

What if the bots is WoW's way to reduce queue?

[@miturtow]

There's nothing to be surprised by in terms of DPS - damage rotation is the easiest part of the bot programming. Navigation, state management, situational awareness, teamplay - these are the complex areas that still have gaping holes that allow easy detection by real players.

[@TelvanniGuard]

"We put a rock in the way... that was it."

[@karbonMAYne]

I think this is actually rampant at all CR's. I started noticing it at as low as 1600

[@13samfootball]

Bot lobbies too? I've literally had the opposing SS team all move the same way, like they all share the same mind rofl

[@lilodot]

So he said they're becoming more sophisticated lately but that's not true. I personally used a bot way back in MOP that could easily do all this (except maybe the see in stealth wtf). But for it to be so seemingly widespread and blatant is interesting, has to be profitable and/or low risk (lol) enough

[@MaggleTheMage]

good to see bots not getting banned but i get banned for a month when i got 2100 my 3rd time ever.. honestly quit retail after that

[@ARMSMASH]

i've faced tons of them ,Facing people with stupidly low and new honner levels fucking destoryuing it in arena latly.

[@toejam7606]

Botted planty back in the day with glider. It takes them a while then they ban a big load

[@keats27]

Trigger bots are gonna be way faster than humans. DHs are easy mode for sure, but...not everybody plays like Raiku.

[@SzilardEnyedi]

Yes, other companies have a job to apply anti-cheating measures. Responsibility greatly varies, can range from reviewing suspected accounts only as a small part of the working time to actively looking for suspicious activity even on non-flagged accounts. The truth is that this costs money - it would cost way more for Blizzard to pay wage + contributions for a handful of employees than the financial damage the bots cause. If every single day one guy stops playing due to the bots...well, that's collateral damage - still cheaper than employing a couple people. They don't care about reputation or such, only short-term profit matters.

[@jeronimolopez7387]

I think Blizz needs the bots cos there arent enought people playing retail arenas.

[@iflako88]

Venruki and Supatease are both Blizzard casters and have coms with WoW devs right? Are there PvP devs they can just mention these things to?

[@retributionangel5078]

Even if they get banned They just klick new acc The use addons to play the Bots You need to bann the Addons Also make it impossible to be logged into several instanses of the game from 1 PC

[@ajap19]

funny think about bots, is that they can farm EVERYTHING - you have ppl botting achivements/mounts/pets/ basically everything in the game. Nothing has a meaning anymore, its very sad what WoW has become over the years...

[@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it]

blizzard was always like that ever since they got aquired by activision. you can get banned in OW/OW2 for saying "youre bad guys, learn to play, bosoted bots" for toxicity but cheater banning IS NON EXISTENT .

[@davidp4180]

So they hugely nerf DHs to pull people away from the class, and sudo address the botting. Why do things to remove our desire to play? For those of us only playing DH, why should we keep playing now? This will also impact queue times, I am so bummed over this. The most played class was fun, why not spend efforts to make the other classes as fun to play instead of just removing the fun? I think this will hurt the bottom line, which is obviously what drives their decisions, so they are shooting themselves in the foot imo.

[@LouisGuidetti]

Ven I like your videos pointing out the core issues of PvP. New players are not playing which is a major issue. I don't want to see this game die. I fought Pikaboo the other night and lost 10 rating. I have never been above 1812 because I suck. This was at 1600 rating 2s.

[@corbin_4738]

How are people getting 1600-2000k hitpoints in a battleground? I'm lucky to get 1000k. Their damage is insanely high and their hitpoints are ridiculously high. Not just Tanks. I've seen Hinters and Priests close to that. I've met Priests that just heal through the entirety of our team beating on them. Someone please explain this to me.

[@ericsilva7430]

Remove addons and macros, improve the interface for all the stuff addons is a must have, reduce keybinds so not having macros is not that bad. i imagine doing this would make the game much more friendly to new and casuals players and would make cheating much harder.

[@necrolicious]

I don't use a bot, I use an addon that kicks for me. Addons aren't crutches, they are high skill, ask any world first raider.

[@Finn3h]

I'm incintivised to bot for glad mounts at this point

[@MrSheduur]

yeah its everybody elses fault. why do they compete when all you want is your shiny useless cosmetic effect. they are the problem because all these other guys pushing ranking they should just stop playing instead of making you want to use a bot to have an advantage. how great the world is when everybody has such a simple world view.

[@Telarius]

Also that dh was hitting multiple hunter pets that round. Any dh not the bot woulda done it

[@Neero_90]

how about the devs say: hey "higherups" theres is a virus infesting our game can we fix the problem?

[@Deadmeatsz]

Cheaters are going to destroy every single game in existance if they are allowed to.

[@jacksonbond9448]

where do u download this

[@leanandcleangaming]

well this reminded me why I quit wow in mop. Was just getting to like dragonflight. Sad.

[@TheUhmmmmmmmm]

I wouldn't go by chat, they already have used chatgpt for bots on OSRS. I wouldn't be surprised if they do on WoW.

[@Fullertits]

crazy that you can detect bots with an add on instantly but bungies anti cheat cannot

[@WaterBisquitte]

Or Valves… lmao

[@dragosbob5618]

Wow pvp is legit garbage not the dev and not even the GMs care about it no wonder they don't ban cheaters

[@Riaining7]

I don't play wow anymore, but I'm pretty sure they got rid of most of the real people that would otherwise have been taking action against these cheaters. They now have AI doing most of the workload, and AI can't make discretionary calls that require critical thinking like investigative cheating detection. Going with AI has harmed customer satisfaction by leaps and bounds. Wow has not had a soul for nearly a decade now, and people are now seeing the ramifications of it. It's quite sad, because I really miss playing my DH, but I'll never pay for another Blizzard product for the rest of my life. And I had over 3 years /played on my account which I had since BC.

[@onyourleft5648]

Me taking notes on when to dark from a bot

[@Frostyownz]

That rendlol lol

[@allucarrd5493]

hmm this makes me wonder .. what is the diff between a bot and a carry service seller ?

[@zHqqrdz]

Anyone can run a bot, a carry service seller needs a skilled and competent human being that's awake.

[@allucarrd5493]

@@zHqqrdz lol but isn't the result the same ? for example new player wants to play arena .. q at rank 0 and fights against carries ... just like this ppl fight bots. same outcome - frustration. All I am saying this is a perfect example how ppl feel q against carries.

[@sheldonfee6764]

If you go on the forums all the RMT boosters will tell you bots and boosting doesn't exist btw

[@MrSheduur]

the problem is as old as the game. and tbh its mostly the players themselves who are the problem. r14 groups back then started all of this desperation bs and when classic came around, so did r14 groups who ruin it for everyone else because these guys thought they were more special than everyone else, thus they had the right to turn the game to shit for everyone they met while grinding rank. And blizzard does not give a damn about the players and whats right. they will not fix this, EVER. you have to deal with it because they will not help you and those bots are here to stay.

[@vilegoat1401]

This is what made me completely quit I'm done. Onto the next one.

[@stevenschlegel2409]

On my Server is an Evoker, with WM ON, botting since atleast half a year, everytime I see him I report him as a bot, but blizzard just doesnt care at all lol.

[@hapja]

In Classic there are thousands of bots following the same paths for days on end, flying in dungeons and going underground to mine/herb/pickpocket. If they can't detect and ban people flying, GL detecting these bots. 🤣

[@hrd1711]

At this point blizzard should just have their on AI bots to fix the solo shuffle queue times. Similar to what they did for dungeons

[@sai269]

yeah.... no.

[@dkpandi4g460]

The Doctor must not survive, WE ARE DALEKS. REEEEEEEEEEE

[@thsevecha]

This game is full of bots. You can see them everywhere mining, herbing, leveling or boosting lvls 20 in Nokhund Hold.... I got tired of reporting because Blizzard won't do anything for months. One day this game will only be played by bots farming.

[@samisuhonen9815]

I genuinely think WoW has no anti-cheat and no PvP tuning developers right now. I think they all got fired with the recent purges. Because like, these bots should be super easy to detect. Even players themselves have figured out basic things like how they use perfectly timed globals. A real player will always either miss a gcd by few milliseconds, or mash buttons during GCD or when in CC, to make sure they go off ASAP. The bots just make perfectly timed inputs every time. Yet Blizzard won't make a detection software for that kind of play. We would be seeing bans already if that was the case, since these bots and their GCD perfection has been known for like a year at this point.

[@Ozmaniac2k]

Just reduce the main awards to 1,8cr and most of us will not even care. Problem is that even 2.1 is too hard to reach for the normal player

[@alexandrosr5179]

Blizzard uses bots to show that people are playing the game ....

[@user-kc2wg3cc1u]

How else am I going to win!?

[@krakraen343]

Riot does that

[@placeholdername3206]

Warden (Blizzards anti-cheat who is active across Blizzard titles) has always been trash. Believe it or not, it's actually a lot better now than it used to be, and it's still trash. That says a lot. Botters can more or less reign free. Pretty much the only way to get banned is if a GM looks at you ingame specifically