Breeding & Genetics

Trevor Wittke, @sungrownmidz, talks to Mojave Richmond, @mojubal, breeder of Zeta S.A.G.E. and Josh Del Rosso, @therealogkushstory, about breeding and genetics.
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Filmed @ The Townhouse, Venice, CA
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[@FreedomGrower]

YES!! Craft, micro brew analogy... small mom and pops cannabis is what will preserve culture and diversity. I am on board.

[@psychonaut_bettor]

As a 30+ yr grower not breeder i really enjoyed this...i feel an up to date book on cannabis genetics is a must.ive read them all & guarantee these youngsters have picked up some tricks man..🤓🔥💚🧬

[@potfreemason420]

Glad to here Josh D now coming out and talking first hand about his experience with the most well known cut in the game.

[@MrSonicseeds]

The home of all new unique genetics comes from small Special groups of passionate breeders .

[@craigbourque1696]

Looking for small breeders

[@vandl107]

✔ Soon... I hope to have the legal right restored to grow and medicate myself.

[@juansalinas2027]

Dont forget to thank the individuals that put them out for the world as well otherwise most of the dank would be held in secret by some greedy hippies in dingy basements.

[@smoothcat1556]

Are you a seed trader..?

[@laurieedeburn2449]

thanks

[@perthmadbloke]

Thank you for your amazing videos!!

[@LTK-NUT]

I wacthing from thailand, 1970's We used to have best species in the Sativa category and Thailand used to be an exporter to America at that time.

[@thenewenglandcultivator6243]

Sativas only breed that can grow there haha i bet their monsters though huh

[@antonjackson71]

Wild Thailand from world of seeds is one of the best sativa's I've grown out of 100's of strains.

[@HASHHASSIN]

@James Wimer you can ferment your harvest, you can reach same results (i.e. Malawi Cob method)

[@HASHHASSIN]

@James Wimer I give you guarantee same (my bet on 10 times better) results. I can find you full link explained step by step (perfectly) in 4-5 days (waiting my PC get fixed). I cure with fermentation and it changed my life. Usually i can’t smoke Cannabis because i don’t like how it smells and taste. But fermentation makes it heavenly!

[@HASHHASSIN]

@James Wimer hey brother sorry for late update. I found post link but site is on maintenance (72hrs they say). here is the link (you can see my mistake there) and there is picture guide in the beginning of the post. Very easy to make. TASTE and HIGH not enough word for it. www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=9051136&posted=1#post9051136

[@IvethandJq]

Finally someone taking more about canibus rather than themselves

[@redshedllc9054]

Where ?! Lol looked like a lot of gatekeeping to me ...

[@cake8291]

I'm glad you took time out of your day to explain this. Now I know more and more I can let anyine know where I foind it lol

[@JesseJames83]

2:25 I believe he is mixing terms. Most of what I'm hearing is his describe heirloom, not landrace. The difference being what is the source of selection. There can also be heirloom landrace, where a feral gene pool is being altered by both the land and human selection.

[@mikeharding6751]

I ve been using and selecting my own chemovars from my hybrid for 4 yrs

[@brodooby4898]

Going back to growing large populations in outdoor appellations in designated areas to avoid the effects of pollen drift, would be in our best interest right now.

[@MrMotionmac]

I don't know about others, but I grew up in northern California and when I was in high school the skunk weed came out. And I was in heaven. Now, everything has been crossed and the skunk is gone. Skunk #1 doesn't get it because this was roadkill skunk. The kind where you walk into class with a little bud in a zip lock inside your backpack and your buddy turns too you before you even sit down and says "You better fire up". And I get that people now days want variety, but I would give a limb for a fat sack of original kind.

[@CollectifyUSA]

Its around

[@dillwill1813]

Honestly alot of strains have that waft of heavy skunk from the bag. Very hard to find something that actually smells like skunk when squeezed at the nose. But yes it did exist. Very leafy and green as I recall.

[@cjnv48]

Yawn

[@DavidRDavidRoss]

No it isn't, it's extinct son. You had to be there.

[@tattoostudioleitmotif4703]

Very interesting to hear what you guys are going through, with the legalisation in the U.S. cause it may be legal one day in France, and the same problems will appear! Very curious to see how things are gonna evolve, hopefully for the best! Cheers from Normandy guys!🤘🤘🌴🌴

[@munky984]

Coastal Seeds have my eye as far as holding some of those more original genetics. When I can breed I imagine myself looking through a lot of gear from them and Irrazin

[@coryharper2938]

enjoyed the vid,, i think all the breeders should come together and develope an organization, like fishing clubs do or bowling leagues, share genetics, ideas , secrets, help each other like your own blood,,then educate and encourage the home grower how to not only grow but breed, come on lets face it guys, it is super easy to make seeds,, any simple grow from seeds can breed, simply remove the male right before opening up and put in a closet on the other side of the house with just a corkscrew light and itl give alot of pollen, just dont let pollen to long n cut it down, little pollen is purrfect 2much n its a nightmare. then they can grow out their own seeds and find the next purple kush sour d or og, then they can submit samples to the pot league the breeders can smoke it and offer $ola for a cut , if more home growers did this think of how fast our genepool woul diverse, just as small fishing clubs n bowling leagues n so forth THRIVE, if you guys pulled together, cuz itll take you guys teaching how to do this and creating a leagueish if you will to have a club an individual homegrower can join and be apart of that would pay him for his elite cut, well my friend the home grower looks up to you breeders so it will take yall to create an environment for this to come together,, homegrowers, take a few seeds, photos not fem or autos, im sick of seeing so many autos this diminishes our farming skills can we all agree to not grow autos anymore i mean think about it u cant clone or make a mother and there very pheno you are trying to grow was found because someone took a chance on growing a random or purchased seed so are you so low on weed you cant spare a square foot for a male plant to pollinate a few lower nugs, take the males pollen and dab on a few lower nugs with a q tip 5 weeks before harvest n so u know a couple swipes each on just a few nugs can yield 50 2 100 very mature seeds and really wont affect ur yield or potency or flavor, do every different plant in ur garden for this, if u plan u can pick up some clones from the dispensery to add a wider selection for a seed bank if this were to be, the home grower could actually have their own cannabis cup so to say orchestrated by the league , our genepool as fine as it is , is very lacking , the reason so many fine cuts come from the highly prohibited states is because seeds and definitely clones were just near impossible to get, so people grew bag seed, and every californian snubs there nose and grow clones thus doing next to nothing to help find the next og kush. growing from clones is ok but please grow from seed n breed also, then you can name her whatever you want, peace out guys luv the vids n format, much love

[@PentaRaus]

Thx for that

[@FreedomGrower]

Amazing talk!!!

[@anduin1]

Why do so many breeders and growers shit on blue dream? When I have work to do on the computer, blue dream is like one of the finest strains for keeping focus while creativity is still high.

[@OkieSilverDude]

so much vibes with what is being said

[@Captain_Terp]

the whole world needs OG, they just don't know it yet...

[@thedude5599]

The prroblem with his explanation is the Punnet square he makes is for 2 chromosomes only. Cannabis has 10 chromosomes which would make it impossible to use a Punnet square for all the chromosomes unless you had a very good computer. You would also need to grow thousands of plants and analyze all of them. You would also need a Microwave digestion unit, a fiber analyzer and a High Performance Liquid Chromatography as well as a UV-Vis Spectrometer. You probably would also want a Gas plasma system and an advanced rotational rheometer . Once you have these machines it would be a good idea to buy a Microfluidizer and a Rapid Visco Analyser . Here is a list of some other tools you will need. Microplate Reader, RNA/DNA Workstation, So you may be able to stabilize two traits of said plant but you are missing the other 8 chromosomes. Anyone who say they can create their own strain homozygous of all chromosomes is full of crap. It would be near impossible to create a homozygous plant in which all 10 chromosomes are the exact same as their parents. You may stabilize the Height, color and the flowering time but no way ever will you create a strain in which all 10 chromosomes from both parents are homozygous. That may take a lifetime of breeding if it could even be done in a lifetime. Land race strains took hundreds if not thousands of years to create. Good luck trying to replicate that in a lifetime. Clearly anyone trying to create a true Homozygous plant in which all chromosomes are Homozygous has an enormous task on hand and I highly doubt it is even possible with out that plant being genetically modified. This is why there is only on Granny smith apple one Macintosh apple and one Cavendish bannana strain. All these fruits we eat are from one clone. No one can create an apple tree that produces the exact same apple. Same thing with weed the best strains are clones from one Pheno that gets passed around. You will never be able to create a true homozygous cannabis plant for all the chromosomes IMPOSSIBLE soryy to break the bad news to you all.

[@joewhy]

FCP Classix from way back when.

[@chadomaniac]

Great video, very informative. Also learnt about Chads

[@ezanakassu]

The fact that women just felt free to talk while the guests were speaking is a testament to how self absorbed and narcissistic people are becoming. She really felt like they were there to talk to her. When he said “we’ll take questions at the end” I died laughing and said thank god somebody checked this idiot

[@miggy4105]

Women lol

[@playbytherootz4777]

Ihold one of those first afghan skunk crosses from 84. Still healthy as day 1. Volitile terps!!!!

[@Kushdaddylove]

I'd be willing to make a drive and trade my best strain for that 84 skunk... Just saying...

[@playbytherootz4777]

@@Kushdaddylove id be glad to do a trade. I went this to get out in the commuinity. Its Ben horded long enough. Are u able to drive to vt

[@playbytherootz4777]

@@Kushdaddylove I just pre warn ya don't hang it grow this indoors if smell is an issue, cuz this is off the charts. best way to describe the terps on this Its like an electrical fire that somebody sprayed with skunk piss .

[@santiagoaicardi3708]

Hi, I have a friend working in CA, she returns in december to Argentina and will bring seeds to start breeding here. Is there a posibility to send her some of that 84 wonderful skunk seeds? it would be amazing. Thank you!

[@PentaRaus]

Would be happy to venmo for some of that 84 skunk if still available.

[@cray369]

God bless bagseed

[@dystopiagear6999]

No kidding, people look down their noses at bagseed pot and bagseed growers, but let's be honest - it ALL comes from bagseed originally. Of course we've also had forty years of people either working hard or sometimes just getting lucky and selecting and crossing stuff from bagseed, and that's incredible! But it all goes back to just a handful of landraces, really.

[@laconflo1613]

Some of the best I've grown were bagseed. Never had names for it back then.Circa 1980s.

[@dystopiagear6999]

@Blood Eagle 88 absolutely right! What we're all smoking now can be traced back to several Afghanis, Thais, Mexican and Columbians, etc. For hundreds of years before the 1970s people all over the planet did very well with those old strains.

[@dystopiagear6999]

Look at how many modern strains have heavy Northern Lights in them... and that's nothing but carefully selected and crossed Afghani and Skunk, really. (and Skunk is just another cross of Central/South American/Thai and Afghani) The genetics for all this stuff have been around for a *lonnnnng* time.

[@dystopiagear6999]

@Mark Suckaturd Yeah it's getting harder & harder to find the "purer" strains. Even folks who've gone to places like Jamaica and South America looking for them are finding mostly modern hybrids from seeds shipped in from the Netherlands and US. It's a shame because I imagine it would be a ton of work to try to select and breed those out to get back closer to the originals.

[@magnumopus9631]

for sure cali sets trends,all i have to do is follow someone there in the know,and 2 years later it will happen here in canada,remember when gmo hit here,but id been hearing about for a year in cali

[@jweezy8645]

I will make it into this industry I love, if if the last thing I do or it kills me one.

[@MrSonicseeds]

Craft sounds like whole foods ? The bottom line is if your product is addictive grown well and is some thing you can’t refuse at a good price you will all ways be wanted and in demand . If you also have a product that has a unique selling point and you will have some thing no one else has , you have gold . Legality brings high quality continued progression in refining genetics .

[@MrSonicseeds]

Totally love josh d honest approach,

[@Aaron-cw5gt]

If youve seen whats going on in central asia/east asian countries regarding cannabis production on a mass scale, youll be alarmed at whats about to hit the global market over the next 5 - 10 years.

[@hashslinginhasher]

Right on Moog from MightyCarMods!

[@Pad_See_Ew]

Shame many landrace genomes got lost because of prohibition. Crime against nature, literally. Shout out to original NY piff. All for new strains/x hybrids, but never cared much about "bag appeal." Prefer effect/taste. Save those rare genetics. Great micro brew analogy. Good panel/conversation.

[@Pad_See_Ew]

of course. @Real Donald Trump

[@abueloofficialmusic7758]

Legalizationn is just as dangerous for landraces. Multinationals in colombia and lesotho polluting gene pools by introducing foreign genes on a large scale.

[@MrSonicseeds]

It’s gone from kush to skittles

[@johncapital8376]

Dead on about Colorado! Shit is so cold the concentrates are better than the weed.... snaxland is only flower I mess with out there

[@neiladams6386]

I feel like I've heard this before

[@ww.fisherboys6124]

I grow BLUE Dream so Strong, you better have your ID with you when we Smoke, to Find out Who you are , and Where you to send the Uber too !!!!😎😎 Carolina Backwoods Growers here....

[@anthonyb2543]

Why is Washington state always unspoken...? Washington says Your Welcome for sensimila crops in America..

[@cameornwood9313]

Hard agree

[@dandojambo1176]

👍😎🥇🏆🌱

[@FreedomGrower]

what!!! Honey crisp is the blue dream of Apples!!! Wait I like Blue dream.

[@tsuobachi]

Haha, don't feel bad--literally everyone likes Blue Dream. He's just one of those guys that hates on anything popular. Blue Dream is perfectly balanced, which is why it's literally the most popular strain in history. Just like Honeycrisps, which are also perfectly balanced (did you know that Honeycrisps have a mutation that causes their cells to be twice the size of a normal apple cell? That's why they are so juicy and delicious). Where I live Blue Dream is requested by name all the time. That's because people want it, because they like it. And they like to have it regularly as a staple strain.

[@stickyrick420]

He said red delicious is the blue dream of apples

[@bradmcclure4945]

is it possible t identify strain info with a gas chromatograph?

[@garygreen9824]

OG = COLUMBIAN RED !!!! from the 70's

[@stephenroldan5107]

100% yes!

[@dillwill1813]

Apples don't save people's lives 😂 that was hilarious. Yeah man fuck apples!

[@full_marx3047]

i wish i was in post prohibition..... : (

[@RobClayJoker]

Move then man. So sick of people’s excuses as to why they can’t move. People are afraid, that’s a big part of it.

[@GHOSTLOVE-nj4gx]

RobClayJoker stfu joker. You obviously are in the position, some are not. This was no excuse it was a comment. Something was bugging you other than what you said and you took it out here. Sign of a extremely low EQ😭

[@full_marx3047]

@@RobClayJoker Well i will not be moving anywhere near you thats for sure...

[@munky984]

Me too buddy but our entire family and support system as well as my kids friends and support system is all here. So I’m doing what I can to change where I am!

[@munky984]

TYR Galloway I always admire people that call out the bullies

[@kb6530]

Yeah it's all about the small time breeders with a passion. That medical grade stuff sounds awesome UNTILL you meet the people at the many many farms that are everywhere now even though it's not legal here ( ironic). And they tell you all about how they harvest early and tons of mold in the dry room etc. Kind of scary that's what is considered medical, but I guess you just need a small sample that test clean to drop a whole batch, also tested in house lol

[@l-vbordercolliesbryanbaque6237]

Adam Dunn from th seeds brought the OG Kush to Amsterdam

[@reddwing4368]

MK Ultra was the first OG seed company cultivar on the market back then OGXG13 First company To mass produce chemdog genes Late nineties Forget the exact Year Thanks

[@dillwill1813]

C.R.E.A.M. get the money!

[@fullspectrumconnoissuer2486]

I will always think the stuff I smoked when I was a teenager was the best I ever smoked. Sour diesel was the strain and I have not smoked anything close to how good that was......... Maybe because I had a zero tolerance to something I never consumed. Dont chase nostalgia at the cost of progress. It will never be "good o times" again lets move on.

[@Mr.Potato420]

bro im 25 now but sour D or well that's what it was called when I bought it but damn it's still my favorite strain but I can't find it for shit anymore now I'm getting shitty "jager" and shit that taste like dirt.

[@justinrich9510]

also meigs county ohio meigs gold was the fire lots killer fire back then

[@cornfeddreadh3farms418]

Melvantics does Ohio proud

[@RandyRaz1]

Anyone selling pollen ?

[@gsfriendlytreesmmj1165]

He said this new capitalistic cannabis industry 🤔 I started buying bud in 1982 in the S.F.V. the bud was mostly humboldt County indica. Its not new capitalistic every single time I bought bud they always took my money so. The industry might be different its most definitely not newly capitalistic

[@v32finish]

I take offense to the reference that we are currently "post prohibition". Lol. Having spent years in prison w my freedom taken away, and seeing that still happening to this very day, i definitely wouldn't say we are now in post-prohibition. (I know this is nitpicky and semantics. Lol and I'm not actually* offended, but I did want to at least mention it). I'm just salty that I'm bound to a stupid-ass prohibition-land state with its head in its fkn ass. 💚🤘😎 Great great great show!!!!!

[@deepblueseeds5563]

According to breeders like mean gene, Phylos wouldn’t know know whether those sour D’s and headbands were all S1s of each other or not.

[@timothykappel198]

Man I thought BLUE DREAM was a good strain. I just bought some blue dream beans and I don't know if I'm gonna pop them now.

[@cjnv48]

The real blue dream is great. There aren't seeds of it available so who knows what you got

[@stephenroldan5107]

Black haze ( the real one) is the best Florida strain. A million times better than any og

[@antonjackson71]

Talk crap about Florida strains?..... California is all hype, it's where strains go to get watered down and commercially produced for the masses.

[@stephenroldan5107]

Yep

[@candicewhite4182]

With the barrier regs Monsanto won't be able to do to mj farmers as they did with corn farmers, small farmers would be able to sue them for male pollen contamination of the small farms females with the lab created genes

[@mishobroccoli7906]

searched seedfinder.eu for headband and look what they have) Loud Seeds' Headband Description Logo Loud Seeds Loud Seeds Headband Arguably one of the top strains of our generation and the winner of the 2013 San Francisco High Times Medical Cup Hybrid category. Loud Seeds family acquired the Headband several years ago and our cut never left the family. Many companies have a Headband that is made from a Sour Diesel crossed with a reversed OG Kush. The original clone only East Coast Headband is Chem 91 x Mass Super Skunk x Sensi Seed Northern Lights. The clone only Headband was actually one of the easier strains to self and is extremely stable.

[@unitram]

mikhail beskakotov get real

[@linix4037]

39:01 I'm a Ficus!

[@unitram]

Great experts... Dude doesnt even know what a landrace is.

[@stephenroldan5107]

😃

[@unclesmoke4690]

I just heard a man basically claim that indica ruined weed? What in the actual fuck?

[@devinej8411]

I'm totally on board I just started dealing with the internet but I've been saying similar stuff if anyone is interested in contacting me do it I've been in cannabis for 20yrs and I'm not into making millions I want quality cannabis for anyone and everyone if they want to use it

[@thethis1398]

Some false info in here but nice video

[@JesseJames83]

41:00

[@AutumnS-x8b]

Future Cannabis project is RAD!!💜🤍🙂☮️👊✊🌱🎄👍

[@justinrich9510]

wv used to trade weed for coke from fl never seen any weed from fl in late 80's early 90's remember people from the south being blowed away by stuff from wv just saying

[@kb6530]

It's 2021 and the majority of us are still living in prohibition...a criminal because your longitude and latitude aren't approved by law enforcement.

[@auraglasswerks4900]

What are you guys speak it's kind of strange because you're in a bubble and everything is not exactly like that some places are years behind others. Also you're going to get peoples own tastes wants and pallets? When I say that I mean companies brands don't control peoples pallets. Maybe idiots that just got in the game .but is that who your marketing to? All I know is I live in Arizona in Tucson and there's no real good organic medicine for a good price so I drove all the way to Phoenix a couple days ago to go to Trumed a dispensary known for organic quality meds. when they had a good sale I invested in a longer supply because I'm thinking ahead some people do you do that. the line was out the door and around the corner all day... all the craft is gone? Should've kept it medical... legalization is bullshit. Washington screwed the real patients😑

[@vandl107]

@Real Donald Trump Your handle is fitted for the arrogance you just spewed forth lol... Az is a nomadic place. Chicagoans like myself only knew small scale dank or mexi... Yet growing up i was fortunate enough to meet true mj growers and let me tell you Mr. Trump shit was 🔥 Homegrown outdoor and hydro but... It was distributed in small circles... Dispensary herb is convenient but definitely not where a true head looks 👀 to get QUALITY. P.s. Go Fuck Yourself

[@jaimito2513]

argentina represent @nnvvseeds

[@stephenroldan5107]

Cali has a lot to do with shitty weed

[@CherishHaze666]

So OG Kush is really Chem91 x Rob's Ghani DAAAAMN

[@thedude5599]

The prroblem with his explanation is the Punnet square he makes is for 2 chromosomes only. Cannabis has 10 chromosomes which would make it impossible to use a Punnet square for all the chromosomes unless you had a very good computer. You would also need to grow thousands of plants and analyze all of them. You would also need a Microwave digestion unit, a fiber analyzer and a High Performance Liquid Chromatography as well as a UV-Vis Spectrometer. You probably would also want a Gas plasma system and an advanced rotational rheometer . Once you have these machines it would be a good idea to buy a Microfluidizer and a Rapid Visco Analyser . Here is a list of some other tools you will need. Microplate Reader, RNA/DNA Workstation, So you may be able to stabilize two traits of said plant but you are missing the other 8 chromosomes. Anyone who say they can create their own strain homozygous of all chromosomes is full of crap. It would be near impossible to create a homozygous plant in which all 10 chromosomes are the exact same as their parents. You may stabilize the Height, color and the flowering time but no way ever will you create a strain in which all 10 chromosomes from both parents are homozygous. That may take a lifetime of breeding if it could even be done in a lifetime. Land race strains took hundreds if not thousands of years to create. Good luck trying to replicate that in a lifetime. Clearly anyone trying to create a true Homozygous plant in which all chromosomes are Homozygous has an enormous task on hand and I highly doubt it is even possible with out that plant being genetically modified. This is why there is only on Granny smith apple one Macintosh apple and one Cavendish bannana strain. All these fruits we eat are from one clone. No one can create an apple tree that produces the exact same apple. Same thing with weed the best strains are clones from one Pheno that gets passed around. You will never be able to create a true homozygous cannabis plant for all the chromosomes IMPOSSIBLE soryy to break the bad news to you all.

[@dillwill1813]

And then I hear breeders talk about mutation, adaptations, expression etc. Grow some real sk1 it's pretty fuckin uniform but in no way perfect.