Seeds, Breeding & Genetics - 01

James Bean, SeedsHereNow,
James Loud, Loud Seeds
Adam Dunn, THSeeds / SAGEMASTA SEEDS
Our weekly get together in Venice CA. This week we talked breeding.
This is part 01 of 02.
part 02 can be found here: • Seeds, Breeding & Gene...
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[@mrniceguys.4209]

If you sell your seed dont cry about others breeding it... all of you got your seed from somewhere else.. I think some breeders need to get over themselves 🤷‍♂️

[@GHOSTLOVE-nj4gx]

MrNiceGuys .420 I was thinking the same thing 5 mins into the podcast. It’s a stupid logic in a lot of ways especially in this day and age.

[@doctorwhom420]

Agreed

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

Some breeders go through effort to get land race strains and other more pure hybrids of old school genetics to breed their strains. That said many don't. But for some getting those seeds was mad effort and money involved. Like chronic is a set of seeds that came from some random seeds associated with a rap tour. Beyond that nobody knows the full history. Some breeders have all the different versions plus loads of hazes including the phenotypes of certain land race varieties or hybrids of land race strains. Same for kush. And skunk. Some even get different strains of land race auto flowers and hemp varieties for breeding other cannbioids higher such as cbd or making them auto flower vs photoperiod.

[@markcantrall9923]

No shit !!

[@JRastafari007]

if you sell other people's work, you're a hack. perhaps you need to get over YOURself

[@richarddean964]

So the question is how did you guys start your lines? We’re you around in the beginning of time to take landraces out of the wild and inbreed or cross other landraces. Of course not. If your genetics are up for sale people will buy them and cross them with what they want and call them their own like you three on stage did.

[@jmangames5562]

Exactly like EVERY breeder did! That guy is a tool. I wouldn't use his website ever. This is the problem with cannabis people like him and hype. Also the huge misinformation spewed about intersex. Great comment btw!

[@potfreemason420]

If a breeder sells regular seeds and you buy them, they are yours to do as you please. A breeder can't dictate that if a customer is to spend the time and money to grow out those seeds and any wind up being male, the breeder can not say the customer can't use them. If that is the case, is there a refund for the time and money wasted on that male? Otherwise the breeder has nothing to do with any work done from their work after a sale.

[@jjeoy]

I think the issue is with people turning around and selling those seeds. Not necessarily people breeding for themselves.

[@talkmobuccz]

If I purchase a Great Dane from a breeder and then breed the G.D. With another dog and put in the work to create a new breed, you are right I don’t owe the the breeder of the G.D. A damn thing! It would be in good taste to give the breeder an honorable mention, but that’s the most anyone can expect.

[@redguy8941]

Right. They act like the seeds they started with dropped out of the fucking sky lol

[@dirtyoarcatfishing7927]

100% everyone starts with someone else's seeds... Once I pay money... They are mine to do what ever I want... Even f2's

[@thirdeyeblind6369]

It's even more galling coming from someone like James Loud, Who has what can be only described as a basic understanding of Plant Genetics and Breeding. I watched him trying to explain Genotype and Phenotype to Masonic (Who didn't understand the conversation he was in lol) and he still managed to Mansplain it incorrectly. Most breeders now are hacks just smashing Polyhybrids to Polyhybrids and expecting hundreds of dollars per pack. It's all a bad joke. Caleb, Tom Hill, High Lonesome, Fletch, Dubi and Mahakala all come to mind as breeders with love for the plant. If we have paid for that pack we can do wtf we like with it contents.

[@caseG80]

Adam Dunn needs to let the other guys finish a sentence for fuks sake this ain’t your podcast dude. Lmao 😆

[@TITAN0402]

Yeah agreed he's got a proper ego on him

[@malmoran8643]

Foot in Mouth disease 😄😁😆

[@goober7535]

a whole lotta ego on that stage

[@magickbeans]

Almost unwatchable LOL. Having an ego in the cannabis industry = hilarious.

[@justinrich9510]

does adam kick back to the guy who gave him the bubblegum

[@TokenTombstone]

haha

[@Multi4204life]

Right like all breeders just found some holy grail that has never been touched by a man before they got their hands on it. "You own it... KIND OF!" SMH

[@MeanLaQueefa]

Open source cannabis. Stop trying to own a plant. Makes some strains and some money, don’t get butthurt cause they used genetics you willfully sold

[@Midwest_Slim]

You didnt know he invented Indiana Bubblegum?

[@VirtualArmageddon]

If I went back in time to the mid 70's and told my friends that in 2020 a single seed sells for $15 minimum, they would laugh at me as they threw a hand full of Columbian gold seeds out their window of their car. What they call Columbian gold now, is not even slightly like the gold from the 70's. The buds were tight, hard, and the color of gold, not a speck of green. If I only knew back then that the seed industry would be bigger than the weed industry I would have saved every seed for the exotic land races, and I smoked all of them back then.

[@b12y5e]

Wow, I didn't hear these guys give credit to the Afghanis, Pakistanis, or Thai's?? Are they kicking back to landraces?? Also, don't they have new EXPENSIVE Birthday Cake, French Cookies, and Dosidos packs? Is Cannarado, Cookie Fam, or Archive getting any kick backs? Hmmm.

[@greent70]

I would love to make my neighborhood smell like good ol' skunk. lol

[@dcon9708]

you can’t sell something and still own it. Breeders often speak like they have some special connection that no one else can ever have with a specific plant or strain. They bred a couple dozen generations and think those dozen breedings created something new that never existed before. All the genetics we have are recombinations of genes sorted from countless generations of cannabis breeding over melenia. We have just as much a right to make and sell any seeds we like as you do. You make and sell seeds then tell people it’s wrong to make more and sell them just like you did.

[@playbytherootz4777]

I've got orig afghan skunk from 1980, probiotic grown 30years still as healthy as day 1. Just gota grow in microbes rich environment and they stay vigerous

[@sammysamsung211]

Good someone in here still in here knows a little about a little. Tissue culture aint nothing but pgr.

[@playbytherootz4777]

@@sammysamsung211 thanx for that,,, my old man was an old-school craft grower , he taught me well. Thanx again appericate it.

[@RandoDred]

Near the swamps?

[@playbytherootz4777]

@@RandoDred nope way up North lol. Mountains

[@whycamucwatuwant]

Afghan kush meaning mazar?;)

[@WayneStakem]

I agree with the THC thing. It's not about the level of THC but how well balanced the effects are.

[@joeloser6349]

The price of the seeds- or clone- / is the representation of your allowing of the work to create your building block . So it can be utilized, by whomever you choose to make money off ; purchaser. If they are gifts, entitle the intentions with gift.

[@plebibuds6091]

Time to roll up a couple, brew a coffee and get comfy to listen for the next hour.

[@BlvlWmpower]

stop letting out the secrets lol. jk, I do it hourly lol.

[@Tariacurie]

💚🙏🏼🇺🇸😎

[@chriscastleberry6584]

I agree that you shouldn't sell someone else's hard work. But at the same time if you have a great idea For a strain don't hold back It could be the next big smoke Everyone has been waiting for.

[@mordys6305]

Why are so many breeders releasing tons of polyploids that have stretchy fox tailing low yield just cause it looks like a nice color with no taste description either and they want 150 lol

[@escuelaviejafarms]

Guys, have you realized that tobacco seeds are available for purchase by the general public.....................

[@eugenek9543]

Who did they guy you got your males from get his from ? ?? Think mcfly !

[@TheCheapReefer]

Still happy after 20 yrs with the OGs and Chems u can have all the fruity baked gd flavors

[@playbytherootz4777]

I like meca good fruit sometimes but it's gota be super sespa terp dominated to hold through the j, or bowl. If it doesn't hold the flavor then I go Bak to my CHEMTRAILZ with just bout every one. Cuz that just puts raunchy fuel terps on whatever it touches.

[@stantondinger5836]

Just like ourselves, cannabis is all different, and you tastebuds are not the same as anyone else per se, there will foods that you really like because of smell or taste or texture aka mouth feel or memory of a really great time that which because of your extreme happiness imparted a really good memory of that food and therefore a strong like of that food as it contributed to the entire experience. Herb/Weed/Cannabis is a really complex plant, sure it gets us high and can make us feel good, but it can also make us paranoid or tired or not able to concentrate and a real flighty mind that goes everywhere depending on the strain, it has soooooooo many different uses from medicinal to fiber for building rope or hemp board or hempcrete (concrete made from hemp) to clothing or oil for cooking or as an additive for gas aka fossil fuel and well beyond these! My point is to each their own and enjoy the strains that you like but don't get stuck on a couple! Be willing and open to keep searching for "that" strain that you really like! Add it to your liked strains!

[@trevorl.4332]

Real Donald Trump haol

[@gulstan6007]

Who's got that Og (true) ?

[@Epiphalactic]

You're missing out on a lot. There is some dankity out there.

[@gshell2520]

Never seen weed eat threw a rubberband 🤔 wtf was he smoking 😆

[@jakethoemmes993]

This is gonna end up like pedigree dogs. I see in the future breeders sending contracts with seeds under this mentality. Yes I'll sell you them but if you get a male we get part ownership.

[@escuelaviejafarms]

I'm on the hunt for a skunk right now.

[@markcantrall9923]

That's soooo funny that the "skunk," was so smelly it got people busted. I lived it bruh !

[@ronwitek4539]

That breeder guy sounds like he's full of stories that aren't true and sold to the elite lmao giving credit to this guy but not that guy .. high horse much

[@tallawahconstance.3012]

man none of you all don't own jack when you create a seed you can own it only the creator owns the plant we should all feel blessed to use them . do you pay the people where you got the original strains from . that's the problem with you guys you always want to own what is gifted to everyone .

[@DieselCheese]

13:38 catty ammonia? That sounds like our old franconian snowcap/yellow snow, after the citrus skunks, orange bud etc. became popular in the mid 2000s nobody grew it anymore, as most people here only grow in winter where the catty smell comes through even more, but it was super potent and made your head spin but without any strong sedation with light green buds that had this neon glow.

[@gulstan6007]

This breeder(so called) says Adams story about bubble gum is unbelievable

[@walley2637]

like alot of people, when i first started seeing legal seeds on the market i scoffed at the prices. i grew my own indoors for about 2years using whatever seeds i could get my hands on, going through males and poor specimens until i finally decided to order some from a distributer. now i am a fan of feminized stable seeds and dont mind the cost. i buy only 5 seeds at a time and germinate 2 of them. if i like the first plants i will re-veg after harvest and then make clones. 2 seeds can keep me supplied for years.

[@hashterps]

Im in the US and have gotten a hold of those European seeds, like Rkiem, Sweet Seeds, Sensi, Dinafem, etc. And they are in fact shitty, anyone care to explain how the homogenize a cultivar? its amazing how they sell mids versions of american strains

[@khronicganjaofoz5070]

G sweet seeds nd dinafem ik for a fact are not shitty I've never tried the others but it may just be yo preference not being meet my guy.

[@unclesmoke4690]

Ive had plenty of 15 to 18% that will whoop any 30% strans ass My platinum bubba is 21% and 10× stronger than the gti brownie scout that is 36% Fuck those #s all those empty cannabinoids all those empty terps on them high #s aint worth the shit off my shoe

[@fattdamon1980]

Great interview but the real catpiss is still around as a clone only but it's not widely held. Also the roadkill skunk was around way before the mid 90s. Back then hat was available was very regional because of legality and technology so dates and experiences vary obviously.

[@Mrjboomseedco]

A good Breeding concept to think of is like this if a mom (human) is a perfectly healthy all that gets pregnant and starts drinking her fuvking ass off and smoking globes all day the whole pregnancy till Birth the odds are highly that kid won’t come out to healthy and not have some kind of issues. This is probably common sense to most of you reading this but there’s people who might not

[@antonjackson71]

Thanks for replacing my old seeds I received that didn't germinate.

[@billysummers7683]

Say i want to blend 3 strains ex. Gdpxogxhaze does it matter the order theyre crossed in say GDP male x og female makes f1 seeds should the f1 be taken to f2 before crossed with the 3rd strain??

[@Midwest_Slim]

What, yall didn't know Dunn created Indiana Bubblegum?

[@charlescronin8000]

Big respect to these guys. I'm new to cultivation and I just tried my first autoflower. I got some ganja farmer seeds Skywalker og bred by James Loud. They finished in 2.5 months and they are dank. Thank you ✌️🙏🎄

[@nigelmurray6027]

How pompous?

[@playbytherootz4777]

Well bed gotta wait now. I'm watching this zhit.! Bet....... FU-work

[@playbytherootz4777]

This is the real deal burnt rubber burning wire skunk gag reflex skunk!!!!!!

[@horseloggermd363]

We had great genetics up here at one time. I mean the original Afghani , hash plant, and of course northern lights. We live very rurally cut off from trends. Even to this day the NL is still the standard. The other 2 became watered down you could say. I was too wild at the time to see into the future of keeping these going. Bummer

[@Janedeereusa]

I enjoy breeding for my personal use, this was interesting, thank you.🥳🥳

[@damienwilson6610]

I hate to admit I love Adam Dunn. I wasn't to dislike him but can't.

[@qecalores742]

only americans care for weed he sais..

[@rogerc4431]

Saying it like it is, Future Cannabis Project- Thanks for the programs- And a special Thanks to all the Guest. Thank you All for the knowledge!

[@shot5fired]

So I just crapped in my reservoir what do I do next?

[@KeepYourCalm13]

for a breeding baseline a F3+ is good , so r F1s of the Eason u mentioned Adam

[@revfunk8823]

Nope Loud. My plants are mine if you sold me the seed. Tough shit, this isn't a royalty game lol

[@gulstan6007]

And yeah I personally don't like that person/breeder

[@KeepYourCalm13]

ive grown plenty of ethos, that was your growing issues

[@tent4331]

Dunn is cool lames bean and loudmouth are chuckers.

[@That-duude-alain]

where do you guys think the Amsterdam seeds come from?

[@Tariacurie]

Future Cannabis Project thank you for this masterpiece.

[@raymondgetz4866]

Whats your best piks for sensi seeds Adam

[@vulturemunchies4692]

America style ahahahah Europe is not just Dutch and is not made by companies like the ones they talk is made of people...... jus like the climate is not all like in Germany...... so dumb this start

[@antonjackson71]

Humboldt and Mendocino counties are damp, he's obviously never been to NorCal.

[@Midwest_Slim]

Correction... so dumb this whole thing.

[@Messymathews90]

who is breathing through the mic.

[@KeepYourCalm13]

Adam didnt make bubblegum

[@boosted211]

Bitcoin will never shut you down james. Bitcoin cares not who you are, only that your funds and transactions are safe and secure.

[@boosted211]

@Spanky Flaaps if they shut down the grid how do you get your dollars out of the bank? Or are they are in your mattress? If the grid is shut down you think people will care about paper with dead people's faces on it?

[@boosted211]

@Spanky Flaaps I don't shop at jiffy Mart so jokes on you.

[@shortchanged.]

It's in south east

[@louco7166]

36:07 drama

[@iipriorii]

Oh come on- unless you’re taking guaranteed ancient landrace strains - you’re standing on the backs of giants. Just because you have history makes you no more a breeder than the guy that accidentally crossed a NL with a GSC auto. Stop man.

[@dawie4853]

Lol

[@Famedawg]

Ok so don't support James Loud. He just said in the first 60 seconds he is partnering with big agriculture to stop caregivers from being able to grow for patients.

[@weedwarrior6961]

while a huge portion of our 80s growers are lost to the Drug War

[@papamidnightfpv]

Sweet show

[@TITAN0402]

If I was the man sitting on the left of Adam I would of walked off and sat amongst the crowd....he's hardly said a word of quality information meanwhile i've heard the same repetitive crap coming out of Adam's mouth "you know"

[@LarsVad]

Money is good only when there is plenty of it, but it is only glitter, created to make us do all the world to achieve God by what. but ask yourself when they have just smoked a joint with good weed what you are missing and you will stubbornly claim you are nothing missing

[@themadhatter196]

Thanks for everything

[@MATTINCALI]

Tools

[@jacklegminercanada3866]

Can cat pisss genetics be mistaken for say, ammoniacal nitrogen or something. Because I've cultivated a Canuk seeds banner strain maybe it was, and it was a very strong smell of cat urine. And I came across it another instance as well, but I assume it's coming from my soil changing up its structure due to flowering or plant requests.

[@magnumopus9631]

learn from vape industry we got crucified for copyright in out ejuice labels,and names

[@kingallsup4]

Lmao listening to him wine about people not giving him credit is funny. Quit crying you know the real man up lol

[@justcurious..3580]

To me I love Growing Seeds is the best way to grow weed I don't really like her and clowns or or feminized...

[@revfunk8823]

3 deuchebags 🤣

[@poepflater]

I have the genuine exodus from the UK imported in a shipping tube to S. Africa.

[@poepflater]

@Spanky Flaaps You forgot to take your meds?

[@antonjackson71]

Not damp environment in Cali? You never been to the coast.

[@escuelaviejafarms]

40:20

[@escuelaviejafarms]

The entire industry needs to listen to this.

[@801spacecowboywylie2]

Thank you

[@antonjackson71]

I breed for effects, I don't care about looks and smell.

[@zephaniahwmarion7311]

What's your view on Duck's Foot?

[@ej_bk2thebay612]

Great discussion. Love the first hand knowledge. Thanks

[@joeysoprano7978]

Great video

[@dillwill1813]

What? Ok dag nabit let's go!!!!

[@laurajones2032]

Bummer

[@jacobsurrett5928]

"It's like you dropped the baby".

[@amadeusprakruti7441]

Been waiting patiently since the hint of this video! Thank you FCP :)

[@MG-wd5we]

Egos trying to fleece $$ from chumps.

[@Midwest_Slim]

BINGO!

[@bluesight_]

this is really fuckin good content

[@Midwest_Slim]

Meh...

[@newbongsmell9896]

I believe cannabis is a gift from god and that it is a gift for EVERY person let them breed every family should have their own weed they grow with the vegetables in the garden it's medicine and it's natural and harmless in comparison FREE THE PLANT✊

[@escuelaviejafarms]

I have found that smoking one strain for longer than 5 days straight that my body becomes adjusted to it. I can switch to any lower any lower THC strain and it will effect me more, for the first joint that is.

[@cjapao8058]

Yoyo Canna Family

[@flip_flop_farmer]

thanks guy i really liked this

[@justinrich9510]

really j b

[@frankclack2648]

Catpiss was yellow cab Grey Area ,,,

[@theomarvenzon]

Are you 100% sure... Or did some body tell you that

[@goodgood2855]

Interesting))))

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

Terpenes have a lot to do with it. Plus there are other cannabinoids in weed. Using only thc and terpenes can only get such a broad range of effects. Cbn and cbd feel very different. Also bad sour diesal is 14 percent. It can hit like 18 to 20 for a prime batch. White widow really only hits like maybe 25 at best. Two of my favorite strains. But I also love me some high thc producers. That said for sleep certain kush strains with lots of cbn are better. High thc maybe some cbd and sativa genetics for the day. High cbn with medium to high thc with certain terps for night.

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

We have real cat piss in Canada. It's a pheno of another really well known strain. The genetics would surprise you. Also a white widow pheno also called cat piss from an old cut.

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

I had some crazy haze that did shit like that. Ate through a friggen smell proof bag. Fucked up the inside of a medical packaging bag as well. Couldn't sit on that shit long. Extracted some and the extract was easier to store but deff removed some of the terps extracting that shit. And limonene can be used for extraction. Think it's just a terpene that fucks shit up bad but worth it for the benefits.

[@horseloggermd363]

@@bmxriderforlife1234 The real super silver haze stunk ! I found it very pungent. One of my favorites Oh the joys.

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

@@horseloggermd363 my dude I feel you. Super silver is looooouuuuuud.

[@horseloggermd363]

@@bmxriderforlife1234 frig I went through a police check point years ago, in a hurry to see my better half, had abunch in a duffle bag, threw it in backseat. hotboxing car, I was careless. Rolling window down looking officer square in the eyes doing my best Jedi mind trick. The officer looked at me shook his head and told me to keep moving, they had higher priorities. Haha. I thought for sure I was going in cuffs.

[@sMileHighCity]

It sucks you pretty much have to be rich to buy seeds these days. The cannabis industry has really nickle and dimed the small home grower to death.

[@anduin1]

If you want variety or exotic genetics, you have to pony up some serious dough but if you grow it all you're looking at a worthwhile investment most of the time. Seed/clone swaps in my local area we always cut clones for people for free and encourage people to share genetics.

[@adcreel9079]

@@anduin1 Where's your area?

[@anduin1]

@@adcreel9079 Central Alberta, Canada

[@gauchiergrows7267]

@anjun I’m a new grower from Alberta as well what kind of genetics you have for trade?

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

When you buy seeds you gotta be smart with em which can be hard depending how many plants you can legally have. Or easily hide. Learning how to force a plant to hermie so you can collect pollen is mad useful. There are ways you can use this to breed feminized seeds. Also allows you to breed new strains that'll only produce female seeds all without any male plants. Making the breeding easier while you search for certain stud male genes. Which can be hard to find. Once you stabilize getting your own seeds and clones from seeds you buy it's easy to keep costs down.

[@misterminer7748]

Let's play where;'s waldo with the mouth breather.... is it the sound guy?

[@playbytherootz4777]

Shout out Adam Dunn....cool 😎👌👍

[@rootsbyrootes6944]

Priceless Topics Much Respect To The Veterans Growmies

[@THEBIGKUSH420]

RESPECT - LEGENDS IN THE GAME .

[@playbytherootz4777]

I have the old skunk! That's ware it is. 30plus years old in cut form. Probiotics grown and still healthy as shit. It's not gone yet but close

[@dankgenetics3671]

I've also got a 30yr old strain of road kill skunk doin a S1 on it ATM

[@playbytherootz4777]

@@dankgenetics3671 hells yea that's great., Don't loose that old girl cuz it's worth it's weight in diamonds !!? Those old cultivars are the key to getting back sum of what we lost through the forced breeding practices. Thsnx to prohabition. Thankfully were able to catch it in time and do preservation breeding of these oldies. You should get that cut in seed form ASAP! Good job keeping it this long. Im gona do same thing this summer a s1 and mabe a outcross too IDK yet. . Gona do it outside though cuz I got noware to do a breeding round indoors.

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

Breed it back into itself. Clone it a couple times. Force one to herm. Collect pollen and breed back to mother or clone.