Brembo Brakes on a Budget [FRS/BRZ] [CTS-V Brake Swap]

[@NelliesPCWorkshop]

It amazing how creative you need to get when your on a budget... Outstanding.

[@MikailStoner]

Thanks for the video, 5yrs later. This is helping me with deciding what route to take on my 10-Series.

[@DaliborLabudovic]

I like the fact that you give yourself credit for creating this budget kit.

[@Suleimenoff]

e38 728/735 brembo brakes fit nicely and have similar stopping power to that of STi brembo

[@user-lw8jk6nv7l]

I got mine from the Xts, they are way bigger and extremely beefy. I needed to get a rotor from a gt500 redrilled for my cobalt, but they work extremely well. I put the stock Cobalt brembos on the rear with a redrilled rotor from the xts.

[@d33psix88]

I know I’m late... This is a great video. Thank you!

[@ashmeedmohammed4549]

hey man i am new to the scion frs group i am very interested in upgrading the breaks but will the stock OEM 17inch rim work back

[@qiqi7226]

hawk pads better than wilwood ones?

[@kiwiasian]

In some other markets where JDM parts are easier to come by, can use a 08-15 STI front caliper instead so you don’t need to mod the bolt holes.

[@luxurygeneration407]

How did you know to get the kit from a Cadillac or how could you figure out which car to get it from if you have a different make or model

[@JonnyBarajas]

ctsvbrakeswap have custom brackets and a guide for parts to buy for the 86 platform.

[@luxurygeneration407]

But for a Hyundai.

[@JonnyBarajas]

@@luxurygeneration407 I have no idea, might have to do some research.

[@HEKTIC458]

$100 per caliper! Damn thats cheap

[@dougiequick1]

Tip IF you won't be able to stop with your worn out stock brakes? Then simply throw the car full lock drift and "scrub off" speed in a slide.....what could go wrong?

[@Mario-hd5se]

You have the link from the pads you got

[@RidinONChrome]

These are not the V calipers. These just come on the 2.0 turbo.

[@aaronlfx9199]

RidinONChrome yup off the ats 4

[@Ryan-ue9ve]

dude i love your vids, you do great tutorials that actually help guys like me be able to install parts. i just used your header install vid and it made the install a breeze. cant wait to see the install vid so i can do this myself. i have 19in wheels and a rocket bunny kit waiting to get installed and a bigger rotor and brake set up will help fill out that space.

[@768francisco]

Q1a1a

[@MithosXXI]

do a install video of these parts plzzz!!

[@JonnyBarajas]

i'm more excited than you are, stay tuned.

[@amcluesent]

Yes, need to see i done. You get some clue from the video installs of the same parts to WRX etc.

[@shawnkaiju8667]

The Car Doctor you should paint them with red high heat paint and get the brembo diecut stickers for them before the install. It would look soo nice :D

[@Nozarashi86]

those stainless steel brake lines are DEFINITELY necessary, and I disagree: upgrading all that, then cheaping out on brake pads, is the worst mistake you can do. Pads, rotors, calipers, in that order, are what's important to a brake system. you simply can't cheap out on pads, ever.

[@Phos9]

Nozarashi 86 the impact of stainless steel brake lines has been greatly exaggerated.

[@stevencorbo1220]

Are those rear brake calipers you were showing us or front brake calipers because those are only four piston not six piston

[@manueldelgado662]

Can i jus buy the CTS-V calipers n throw em on my frs?

[@Em0KhRiSxP]

Good luck, looks like a fun upgrade to do.

[@peterhatch1583]

Where did you get the adapters for brake calibers plus how do I get to your link for parts list thks

[@dougiequick1]

You forgot to include price of red paint rattle can to paint those caddy brembos ....I would SO highlight the Cadillac just to puzzle people

[@joshaguirre634]

can you do a comparison video of before and after? stopping distance, the feel of the pedal, if it makes the brakes really touchy, etc. there's a couple install videos but no reviews after they're installed

[@JonnyBarajas]

possibly

[@Nayr747]

josh aguirre Stopping distance will be the same or longer. Brake size doesn't equal stopping distance. The size of the brake booster, front-rear bias, tire size and type, computer control, ABS, weight, etc all effect it. Bigger brakes are for reducing brake fade on the track.

[@MikailStoner]

@@Nayr747 While I agree that BBK's are generally for race/track environments, having larger calipers and larger rotors give you substantially more surface area to grab on to. But realistically, tires play a much bigger role in stopping than brakes.

[@DiegoGarcia-ti6ht]

What about the rear ??? I’m trying to find a lesser cost for rear brembo brakes

[@JeepComeTrue]

“””BWC Fabrications. “”” what do do think of these brackets? They are identical but no drilling required.

[@JonnyBarajas]

Never tried them, couldn't say.

[@mahiable97]

Could you please provide the link for the brake pads for the hawk and the standard pads ? I’ve tried looking but I’m confused at what I’m looking for.

[@memz891201]

You are awesome. Thanks bro!

[@TheKCamacho]

curious, if you bought 2013-2017 ATS calipers, why not buy the same year for the brake pads?

[@JonnyBarajas]

This caliper isn't specific to this car, but many others, most pads for this style of caliper are universal. Doesn't need to be specific to the car they are originally from.

[@romariosmith422]

Hows the brake bias?

[@JonnyBarajas]

Hasn't changed, your abs module determines your bias, unless you have a valve to do so manually.

[@Kill3rAnth]

You could of even upgrade to dot 5.1 for higher heat resistance but you can't use dot 5 good video

[@itsavlife]

No such thing as a 2013 to 2015 ATSV. First year model was 2016. Interested in what Caddy they really came off of though. Pretty inexpensive calipers and a good value

[@timoklap]

cant you just order 2 of the left or right one and swap the bleeding nipple upwards on the other side? seems that the are forged symetricaly?

[@JonnyBarajas]

Possibly, haven't tried that.

[@MadStyle1911]

Wonder if this would work on a 2014 Mazda 6? Just need to get a custom bracket made perhaps?

[@JonnyBarajas]

it's possible

[@alejandrovalentin6685]

I haven't found a solid answer but will this fit with enkei rpfl1 17x9 35 mm offset ? Or do I need spacers ?

[@JonnyBarajas]

I don't have the measurements of the caliper, nor your spoke design, can't give you an exact yes or no answer.

[@keepitthoro6768]

Can these go on a 2013 escalade?

[@WrongFromWright]

Won't have to worry about brakes on an FR-S. lol.

[@fogito21]

i am detecting frs hate

[@MrBlackbutang]

Absolutely

[@Fall-off-currencies]

What does a caliper cost originally new?

[@guillermopadres5223]

Hi I barely seen this video great channel great content I wanted to ask you how can I do this budget setup on a 2011 chevy camaro RS v6 I want to put the bigger setup for my v6 please if you can help out thanks

[@JonnyBarajas]

Cheap brake upgrades are quite popular. But are very car specific. This kit uses Subaru parts to use on an FRS. You might find an SS caliper upgrade since there already an upgraded version of your chassis.

[@johnbob95]

If I did this swap but didn’t use the same rotors and instead got some that weren’t slotted, would these brakes still work? I’ve gotta 45 offset wheels so I’m thinking every bit of clearance counts.

[@JonnyBarajas]

The rotor surface design does not add or remove clearance. You are really only looking at the diameter of the rotor and the caliper thickness to determine wheel clearance.

[@johnbob95]

Jonny The Car Doctor Interesting, because I’ve got a set of 18x9.5 wheels on 255 tires that I’m excited to see how they fit with these.

[@MikailStoner]

Slotted rotors are to supposedly cool the rotor quicker during track days. I think mostly, they're people just like the way they look. Plus, they eat up pads much quicker. With that said, smooth rotors of the same type would 100% work.

[@ph00ny1]

Are those the calipers from ATS-V? Aren't ATS-V and CTS-V have 6 piston brembos on the front. That caliper looks like it's out of normal ATS

[@brandonfp4856]

Can those calipers fit a 03 Cadillac Escalade?

[@benrasmussen9878]

I was wondering if this would work on a 1988 Fiero Gt

[@JonnyBarajas]

Check your measurements, like anything.

[@niranamsangthiab8919]

What is the rotor diameter? And What is the wheels diameter?

[@lukasboy98]

Could you throw the fronts on the rear as well?

[@jayarsalazar4728]

Well this fit on my 2003 wrx?

[@dnlbeauchamp]

Did you need your spacers so your wheels would clear the brake calipers?

[@JonnyBarajas]

I was widebody, so the spacers I had helped clear the brakes. But, it all depends on your wheel setup.

[@ttran8538]

do you know there is a bracket made for 2011 scion Tc ?

[@JonnyBarajas]

Have not looked into it. Site says these will fit similar models with a 5x100 which your car is, but no confirmation if it fits.

[@eacalways]

Jonny The Car Doctor my 2017 Legacy is 5x114 and it fits fine,I used 2015 STi 326mm stoptech drilled rotors

[@1atinlove]

Another great vid in your library. Im working on my braking system now, and found your vid as part of my research. I have a question for you. Is there a certain offset that you have to have to avoid fitment issues? Does it require a certain amount of space for clearance issues? I appreciate your help.

[@JonnyBarajas]

Definitely, I had to measure that up myself. You will have to do the same. No official offset based on stock wheels is available on ctsvbrakeswap.com/collections/subaru-kits

[@stevencorbo1220]

If those are only two pistons per side

[@sashkoterziev597]

Can you help with bracket for Mazda speed3 ?

[@JonnyBarajas]

This bracket wouldn't be compatible, I would check the forums if any adapter bracket is available.

[@chungwei1936]

Hey Johnny, loving your works. May i know if there’s any issue with pad overhangs for you initially? And have u faced any issue on this setup after using it for sometimes.

[@JonnyBarajas]

Didn't experience any of that. The caliper mount was designed with the CTS calipers and 14" Subaru wrx rotors. Should fit like oem.

[@chungwei1936]

Thanks brother. Shall checkout now and install soon!

[@deathkiller950]

you said ATS-V but ur link is for CTS-V does either of them work?

[@JonnyBarajas]

They're exactly the same.

[@deathkiller950]

Jonny The Car Doctor thanks, I also saw ur install video and u deleted the e- brake and I want to know if there's a way to keep the e-brake since I daily my car and need the e-brake

[@JonnyBarajas]

The CTS-V brakes install doesn't affect the rear, It's a front brake kit. I only removed the e-brake lines to make way for a future hydro.

[@deathkiller950]

so this means that i can run dual clippers in the back with the e-brake still intact? thanks for replying my previous questions

[@JonnyBarajas]

yes

[@keepitthoro6768]

can this go on an escalade?

[@aaronmacalinao2624]

I have the forester xt sj 2014, this will work as well right? also will it fit stock rims 18"

[@JonnyBarajas]

The bracket supports all Subaru models using a 5x100 bolt pattern and 326mm (12.8") 2004 STI rotor. The caliper clears my 16" wheels, 18" should be fine.

[@eacalways]

Aaron Macalinao i just installed these on 2017 Legacy I only tap the bottom and just used 12mm bolt and nut on top cuz I didn’t wanna drill it, Also I have after market wheels 17 x7.5 40mm and it cleared the brembos,the only I didn’t like was the pad overhang.

[@wesleybaez8938]

Will those parts fit my IS 300? If it will not can you recommend parts that will?

[@JonnyBarajas]

This kit was designed to fit a Frs/Brz. Haven't looked into custom IS300 brake kits, and usually lots of research has to be made.

[@cgmachanic]

thats dope but what about the rear? lol

[@raulhernandez8064]

This only applies for the front brakes correct?

[@JonnyBarajas]

This is a setup for fronts.

[@DBolt-xb7sg]

Thank you so much

[@jonathanthompkins2131]

You this is a great video, but you should put up a cost total up while you mention the parts.

[@JonnyBarajas]

Part costs are subject to change.

[@dougiequick1]

@@JonnyBarajas so what? Put the cost and then an asterix "subject to price fluctuation "

[@nicoludden4912]

where do u buy those calipers?

[@JonnyBarajas]

ctsvBrakeSwap.com

[@JR_86]

Jonny The Car Doctor I don’t see the actually Caliper for sale on their website. Do you know anywhere else I could find these?

[@namithasrinath2182]

Wow you are awesome man

[@loilly1989]

Could this work on a is300

[@JonnyBarajas]

This bracket is made to fit the frs/brz, I would check the forums for any oem brake swaps that fit your IS.

[@gerhang3759]

U forgot your brakebooster and mastercylinder size

[@JonnyBarajas]

Didnt swap those.

[@BlakesGarage]

Nice dude! Curious to know if you watched my video I did on this a year or so ago.

[@JonnyBarajas]

I did. I used your video to make it work on my frs/brz.

[@BlakesGarage]

Sweet! Hey DM me on IG @Blakesgarage I have some info that will help out your channel.

[@JonnyBarajas]

Thanks. @Initialized_frs

[@Rboost77]

@BlakesGarage sure he did watch yours 😂.

[@seandalejackson2525]

Hey Doc can I do this for an 2001is300? Love your work man!

[@JonnyBarajas]

No, but i've heard LS400 brakes can be fitted to an IS. Check them out.

[@wahpanda1520]

LS400 brakes will fit because Is300 is 5x114.3 as is the LS430.

[@miamimotogroup5371]

Hey so can I keep the same rotors?

[@JonnyBarajas]

FRS rotors, no, 2002 wrx is what you need.

[@Thisninjagames]

Great vid so much info I needed would this work on a 2013 Acura TL?

[@boisetkai]

Can I use the stock rotor for a meantime?

[@JonnyBarajas]

No

[@boisetkai]

Jonny The Car Doctor where did the rotor size come from? Is it the suburu STI?

[@JonnyBarajas]

@@boisetkai Stock STI, yes.

[@boisetkai]

Jonny The Car Doctor what size are your rims? Wondering if this will clear on my 17s

[@JonnyBarajas]

@@boisetkai 17" step lip, 16" barrel inners on my wheels.

[@miamimotogroup5371]

Do they stock brake lines fit?

[@JonnyBarajas]

Yes

[@haidao9100]

Will this upgrade work on 2002 wrx???

[@haidao9100]

any Wheels size suggest to upgrade too? cuz 2002 wrx is size 16. I am sure there is not enough clearance for new caliper...Thanks

[@JonnyBarajas]

I would suggest measuring the clearance of your wheel and find a caliper and disk that has clearance within the rim. And to guarantee fitment, a bracket for your car and caliper would be necessary.

[@derpherpp]

ugh I want this for is300

[@JonnyBarajas]

i've heard LS400 brakes can be fitted to an IS. Check them out.

[@jrautofabwerksllc7556]

t dub ls400 brake calipers v8 power !!

[@wahpanda1520]

LS400 calipers are better. just because its brembo doesnt mean its like perfect.

[@jenny1joshi1]

Hey how bout rears one ???

[@JonnyBarajas]

For the back; im adding steel braided brake lines, race pads, and DOT4 brake fluid. Not too sure what I am going to do for the rears, so i'll leave them for now.

[@aaguirre123]

Thanks

[@rodolfolugo9594]

the brembo cadillac brakes cost 4,582.49 dollars

[@brandonfp4856]

Rodolfo Lugo Lol

[@khalidfathallah6619]

You dont need to upgrade brakes just because you have more power. Upgrading brakes on a street car will typically do nothing for performance. The purpose of them is to eliminate brake fade on the track where you are constantly accelerating and braking which builds up a lot of heat. Bigger brake kits do a better job of dissipating that heat which allows you to maintain steady braking performance for extended periods of hard driving. You have to be careful when upgrading your brakes because some of these performance pads dont perform as well until you get them up to temps that are nearly impossible to reach on the street unless you are driving through traffic screeching tires at every stop go and turn long enough to get your car impounded.

[@kaimingleung1396]

Agree on the pad materials, somewhat disagree on the caliper and rotor changes (bigger brakes). Brake upgrade kits that include switching out to a fixed caliper also have the benefit of improving how the brakes feel. There's also aesthetic value for people who want a better look. They also can reduce stopping distance IF you have good tires in summer weather - that's because there's more pad surface area for applying friction to the rotor. Yes, it is absolutely unnecessary and it's usually very expensive to do but upgraded brakes do still make a difference on the street in braking feel and, to a lesser extent, braking performance in the form of braking distance.

[@khalidfathallah6619]

great reply and after driving really fast in mexico recently i noticed that my car does not like to brake fom very high speeds so calipers might be in my future

[@adamzebrowski1459]

dont do this upgrade. these are not an engineered upgrade. further, without upgrading the rear also you will have improper break bias. this kit also requires drilling out a few holes in the hub assembly. if u dont like the outcome of this kit, you cant go back to stock or install a vehicle specific kit without replacing the hub assembly.

[@JonnyBarajas]

Love the psa.

[@trentc1098]

With this logic u shouldn't get any BBK

[@angrywargamer8836]

There are engineered big brake kits that fit propery and were engineed

[@romariosmith422]

Do you have to use the 04 sti rotor?

[@FatigueZ]

Good video

[@rookietoprobuildz]

I'm just surprised the CTS-V swap fits.

[@chrisrstt]

Just remember u have to upgrade your brake booster

[@jakefriesenjake]

How so?

[@chrisrstt]

@@jakefriesenjake otherwise it will take more effort

[@jakefriesenjake]

@@chrisrstt ok thanks

[@jorgnyoa3561]

People dont buy brembos for the break power. More for the name and looks😂

[@JonnyBarajas]

True.

[@darrenporsch]

You don't know what you're talkin about slotted rotors don't give you more cooling. the slots are supposed to clean off the brake pads and give you a fresh clean pad surface

[@JonnyBarajas]

Yes, you are correct.

[@soyyo3418]

They don’t give u more cooling? Really?? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Tammar101]

Those ain’t the V spec Brembo caliper! Those are the ones equipment with the 2.0 turbo and oh you said you cracked drilled rotors under high heat during racing??? Was this a joke? Cuz I bet you won’t even reach 190mph then hard brake

[@kareemhailey9585]

That’s not a v2 brake calipers

[@joeyjoe301]

You're telling me that each one of those calipers were 100$ a piece ? Gtfoh

[@JonnyBarajas]

yeah, link to buy is in the description.

[@joeyjoe301]

Jonny The Car Doctor you're a genius can I email you I have some questions I'm building my frs for sema this year if u don't mind emailing me at [e-mail]

[@JonnyBarajas]

It's easier to contact me through pm on insta, add me @initialized_frs

[@joeyjoe301]

Btw I like ur vids keep up the great work

[@JonnyBarajas]

thanks bro

[@ezraaldrich2838]

“Cold air intake”

[@dougiequick1]

gimmick

[@abandonedhope2606]

JUST FUCKING UPGRADE THE BACK IN DRUMS BRAKE SOOOO MUCH CHEAPER RIP IT OUT OF A TRUCK ok all troll and jk aside, some people merely upgrade brake pads, the front brake does take a lot of beating tho usually. . . is why i think he was concerned about saving on the front brakes. . . [just.. .take a look at the caliper size/brake pad size in front and rear O-o youll see]

[@rodolfolugo9594]

The Brembo Brakes cost $299.00

[@dominicsanchez4923]

the first 2 minutes of this video is confused tf out of me lol

[@thegroundhurts]

Ugh. I have tried watching this channel but you are the epitome of not knowing the "why." Big brakes don't improve stopping. It is in the pads. The point of big brakes is heat dissipation.

[@JonnyBarajas]

thegroundhurts I dont claim to know it all, If you change your pads yes it increases braking but its limited on stock calipers. If you upgrade to a BBK you can put bigger pads leading to more surface area which means better stopping power, does it not? Heat dissipation is improved also with the rotors.

[@thegroundhurts]

Have you tried a good pad on the stock brakes? Tons of people tracking these cars hard on the stock calipers with track pads. The issue is heat and wear. I get about 4 track days out of pads, maybe around 7 on some centric blanks. Ignoring the caliper and going to the bigger pad argument. If you could run a bigger pad on the same caliper as a small pad with the same clamping force from the rotor you would have less psi on the rotor. IE you are dividing the same amount of force by a larger area. I predict your kit does feel like it has improved breaking due to the high front bias over stock the ats/ctsv setup has on this car. Not good on track though. www.pointmeby.com/2016/09/24/which-big-brake-kit-bbk-should-you-get-for-the-brz-frs-gt86-86/ How are those rotors better at cooling? Have you seen an AP or Stoptech Aerorotor? The AP's are not much larger in diameter than stock, but they are much wider with much larger cooling vanes. Those don't look any wider then stock. blog.ft86speedfactory.com/wilwood-bbk-vs-ap-essex-sprint-kit-scion-fr-s/ You also mention this kit is cheaper to maintain because the pad cost is cheaper. I looked up the pads for these calipers, good pads are the same as any other kit. Just the friction rings for 2 piece rotors are not that much more then what you are paying for slotted standard rotors. Not to mention price wise you could have got an RR racing sport kit for $800 and not have had nearly the jacked up brake bias your current setup. www.rr-racing.com/RR-Racing-Front-Big-Brake-Kit-for-BRZ-and-FR-S-p/gt86fbk005.htm Do some research man! Ton's of good info on forums. You have a great attitude and enthusiasm. But for someone like me looking for more technical info its frustrating to watch.

[@JonnyBarajas]

If money weren't an issue, I would buy the best there is. Price to performance is what I was looking for. BBKs do improve stopping power and efficiency in conjunction with pads, rotors, steel braided brake lines, tires, alignment, weather, and surface, etc. One without the other decreases braking efficiency. These articles aren't anything new. What setup are you currently running? Never once mentioned this setup is the end all be all, not sure why my choice of parts is a subject of conversation.

[@thegroundhurts]

If you wanted price to performance you would have been slightly better off with an RR Sport kit. At just under 800 bucks I doubt it was much more then what your front setup cost. I am a Wilwood dealer at my work. i could have bought the 6R front kit and 4R rear for about $2k with pads. I chose not to because the issues with brake bias just were not worth the performance loss. I have had Hawk HP+ on stock rotors. Currently on PMU HC+800 on stock rotors, stock brake lines with high temp fluid. I have a Stoptech 328mm BBK on the way for the front. Rear will get another set of stock rotors with XP10 pads all the way around. Braking force with just pads was never much of an issue, I would start to get a little fade after 10 minutes with 245 RS3's on the car but I could still drive it hard the rest of the session. Your choice of parts is not the subject of conversation. It is the way you presented them. If you were to post this up on a forum the way you did here the trolls and "experts" there would have flamed you to oblivion.

[@JonnyBarajas]

Im not an engineer so I cant say specific details just what I know from experience and im not rich enought to test out every single option to give you the best info. I just did a track day on these with four 20 minute sessions of high speed braking using only the hawk hps street pads, didnt have one bit of brake fade even when battling it out. Im not the type of guy that believes everything off the forums, I like to test it out for myself. Plus this kit was cheap at $600, I just did some add ons. Its also cheap to maintain and replace parts since they are mass produced for oem applications which I cant say the same for a BBK. I thought ahead of future cost and thats why I went this route. The track video will be up this coming weekend if you wish to see that.

[@chrisrstt]

Or u can get a better car🙄

[@thebullyscientist]

You Got that from stang domination