Brewzilla Gen 4 vs Gen 3 35L & 65L Buyers Guide

[@KegLand]

Top work David. We really appreciate you doing this video. I am sure a lot of our customers will find this a lot of help. Cheers and Beers!

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Great to hear, congratulations on the two new systems :)

[@zt7489]

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Hi David, great video review, thanks. I notice at the 9 minute mark you point out that the Gen 4 false bottom has two pull rings. I have just got a 35L version and it only has one ring, nor does there look like specific machining done to install a second ring on the outer edge. Can you tell me how many rings the final design is supposed to have, please? thanks

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

@zt7489 I am not 100% sure there, I would suggest reaching out to Kegland on this.

[@matthewkaiser310]

Thank you for this overview of the Gen 4 unit David! I look forward to future videos using this unit to see if it's as good as it looks. Well done Kee and Kegland!!! Cheers!!

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Cheers, I have much more planned 🍻🍻🍻

[@hopebrewco5840]

excellent quality video! I own a Ubrew in canada and im sold on the 65L when it arrives. im so stoked! thank you for the info

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Thank you. Yes, I think the 65L is the one to get. Check out my 3 brew experience videos with the 65L GEN 4.

[@brianbarker2670]

Good video David, thank you. I'm currently a BIAB brewer but have taken an interest in this type of all-in-one equipment. Looks like gen4 has a lot of good features and I'm impressed by the concave bottom. Look forward to your real life results on the gen 4.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Cheers Brian, I will gradually roll out my findings as time goes on.

[@daviegraham4483]

Great video David, i am loving my Gen4 and the enhancements are a game changer

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Great to hear Davie.

[@adamcasamento4176]

This video was perfect! Thanks so much for a clear and concise video

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Thanks Adam, great to hear 🍻🍻🍻

[@DanD7253]

Thanks David. I feel like I can finally pull the trigger and purchase a Brewzilla and know which one to buy. The old 3V propane keg system is going out the door after 20 years.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Great, I am glad that you found this useful in making your decision 🍻🍻🍻

[@Dts1953]

Excellent information David. I have a few friends who say they want to buy the Gen 4 and are patiently waiting for it coming to the UK. Looking forward to your future brewing videos on this system and how it compares to others, especially the GF G40.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Cheers DTS. I have much more planned 🍻🍻🍻

[@Genarp89]

Nice stuff! Looking forward to see the brews. Started to look around for an upgrade from my digiboil and r a bit curious on the 65L.. Thnx for great content David

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Thank you. Yes, I cannot wait to brew on these in all different ways 🍻🍻🍻

[@rimmersbryggeri]

This has now become the system I concieved 8 years ago when I decided to build my own system. Now there is no reason to keep improving that system at any expense any more. :)

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Kegland had their ideas long back too but the tech was not ready back then.

[@rimmersbryggeri]

@@DavidHeathHomebrew I can imagine. Any idea in what area the price will land in sweden?

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

It will be more than the current GEN 3 Brewzilla price but how much more will be down in part to the choice of the retailer. Nothing super extra though really.

[@rimmersbryggeri]

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Ok they are usually quite simularly priced across retailers in my expereince. I guess somewhere along the line of the old grainfather at the most then.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Yes but that starts somewhere at least. Are you based in Norway?

[@timwood8733]

great overview , thats david. Would be great to see some of your small batch testers & setup, as i do enjoy making experimental recipes on various styles

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Thanks Tim , I will be filming a small batch very soon

[@amrith10]

Thank you for this, David! Phenomenal as ever. I am just going to get the Gen 4 (ordered and is in transit - I live in India and so this will take some time). I was wondering if you could please do a deep dive on the controller, all the different options, how to read them and what we should actually change vs what we should leave alone. One thing I was interested in especially is the PID algorithm. Thank you and appreciate all the fantastic content you put out!

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Hi Amrith, check out my other GEN 4 videos, I have covered quite a bit there. I am thinking about a GEN 4 tips video for release in the next month or so.

[@amrith10]

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Have devoured all of them! And yes please! Looking forward to that video - especially how to use the different programmable modes, RAPT etc. On that, I had a question. When we program the different mashes - for eg: say, 30 min at 65c and then another 30 at 75c (please excuse the randomness of this example!), is the system intelligent enough to know that it say, takes, 5 minutes to go from 65 to 75, and hence starts off the heating in minute 25 itself so that at minute 30, the timer starts for 30 minutes of 75 mashing? Then again, that will mean that it was only a 25 minute mash at 65. Or does it start the second 30 minute timer only once it has reached 75? Apologies if the question is long winded and/or slightly naive. Thank you.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Ok great. With mash schedules the timer will only start on each when the temperature is reached. So ramp up time is not included.

[@amrith10]

@@DavidHeathHomebrew understood. Thank you! Look forward to the future videos

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

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[@darrenwilliams7087]

Great stuff as always David, thanks for the time and effort you put into these videos. My robobrew 35l still going strong, but when it eventually dies I'll know what the upgrade does. cheers

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Great to hear Darren 🍻🍻🍻

[@HOMEBREW4LIFE]

Great video per usual! 🍻

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Cheers CH. Much appreciated Bro

[@chopperaxon6171]

Very useful Dave. Thanks. These have recently become available in the Country I now live in. Time to switch from 3 vessel to 1, I feel.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Awesome. Yes , I would never go back to 3v personally, at home at least anyway 🍻🍻🍻

[@mavasnl]

Thanks for the video! I am waiting for the release in the Netherlands of the 65l-version.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Cheers, yes hopefully the time will fly by. As Europe waits I will follow with more content as I test and explore.

[@mavasnl]

@@DavidHeathHomebrew That is an excellent idea! Keep up the good work.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

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[@bwlovelace]

Thanks for this video. Would definitely like to see a video of a batch being made on the 65ltr with the Max 18kg grain bill. Just to see efficiency results and also ease of malt pipe use getting in and out.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Cheers Ben, I will be showing all sorts in the future.

[@Christoph1888]

Comprehensive as always. Cheers.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Cheers 🍻🍻🍻🍻

[@GabrielYeager]

Thank you, David! At first, I didn't expect to want the V4 having had a V2, and now a V3 that was converted to V3.1.1. However, hearing that you can do small batch brewing of 5L, I am sold!!!! Can you please create some videos of doing 1, 2, and 3 gallon batches with the V4? I am really looking forward to this. Thank you!

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

I brewed the minimum batch size today and filmed it ready for a video coming soon 🍻🍻🍻

[@GabrielYeager]

@@DavidHeathHomebrew I'm so excited to see this! Thank you for all the effort you put into your channel.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Cheers Gabriel 🍻🍻🍻

[@tgbruiser]

Well done video as usual! Would love to see some large grain bill brews in the 35L to see what kind of mash efficiency you get without doing a reiterated mash. Regardless, looking forward to your future coverage on this as I consider upgrading from my Anvil Foundry 10.5.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Cheers Bruce. I will see what I can do there.

[@losFondos]

​@@DavidHeathHomebrew second that idea, I've struggled a lot with large grain bills, over 8kg and I get a stuck recirculation regardless of the amount of rice hulls I add

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

For those kinds of grain bills you really should perform a reiterated mash within a 35L system. No need in a 65L system though.

[@losFondos]

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Kegland gives a max amount of 10.5 kg which is way too much in my opinion. At max fill height there will be around 6 liters of additional dead space around the pipe, resulting in a mash that is too thick to stir. I can't imagine mashing in 10.5kg with a reasonable water to grain ratio in the standard malt pipe.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Just because it will fit, that does not mean it will work well.

[@SunePedersen88]

As a 9,5L kegger, I would definitely appreciate seeing some small batch brews on these new units.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

My next brew will be a super small batch 🍻🍻🍻

[@stenerikwreile-jensen7885]

Great presentation. I hope you in the future will compare these Gen 4 Brewzillas with the Grainfather G40.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Thanks Sten. I sure will and much more too.

[@markbarber7839]

Thanks for the video. A nice option for North america would be to have upgraded power 220v. The 110v 1500w heat element is dreadfully slow even when using added insulation

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Yes, I think a 220-240 model for the US would be the way forward.

[@walqu]

Great video, I have the 65L gen 3 but a much cheaper and older 35L that could require a replacement.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

I am glad you found this useful 🍻🍻🍻

[@jasongarland3165]

David, I would be curious to see a comparison of a Grainfather G70 vs a Brewzilla 65L Gen 4. The Brewzilla would seem to have many of the same features but at a presumably lower price point(?).

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Cheers Jason. I do not have a G70 but I do have a G40, which I find much easier to recommend. I will do a comparison and yes the Brewzilla has very similar features and a lower price point. This is not the full story though of course.

[@jasongarland3165]

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Thank you. I may upgrade to an all-in-one system later this year and I am curious to see a comparison.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

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[@foxtonstreet]

Super helpful, thanks.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Great to hear Brad, cheers 🍻🍻🍻

[@jamesmorrison6139]

Another great video, David. Thanks! Do you know if the Brewzilla range will be bringing out something to rival the Grainfather GF30 Pro fermenter?

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Cheers James. There will be a stainless steel Fermzilla this year, that will also allow pressure fermentation. I am unsure of temp control will be built in at this point.

[@wollewolfram]

Really nice and informative video👍. My vote for content would be a American Barleywine recipe 😋. Cheers 🍻

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Cheers Parsk. Sounds good to me, thanks for the suggestion. 🍻🍻🍻

[@wollewolfram]

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Your content are legendary my friend, and your education has brought me from "total beginner" to maybe "advanced beginner" by now 😀. As of today I have made 35 batches in my life, and maybe 30 of them are your recipes.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Awesome to hear! More coming!

[@daryllfatherton679]

Fantastic work, David. Do you have any updates on availability in the States?

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Thanks Daryll. Release is estimated at around August to September at this point.

[@paulvandyk2282]

David, I would be very interested in a new generation brewzilla vs the grainfather g40 comparison. Thank you

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Cheers Paul, that will be coming in time.

[@TismFishing]

I’d like to see you Bree a kentucky common or other similar beer that has a high corn content. My gen 3 robobrew bottom plate always allows to much debris out and I have to filter into a hop spider to the fermenter. I think the improvements will help. I’m also curious about if you could add a sink strainer between the bottom plate and the drain and of course the question of stuck sparges is and how well the modifications do to allow wort flow when doing heavy stouts or wheat beer.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Cheers Jesse. I will be trying out all sorts of different brews with these for sure.

[@fishfacemaster09]

Great video again! I'm seriously considering upgrading from my Grainfather G30 to a larger setup and I hope the 65L will be cheaper than a G70. Do you know what kind of prices we can expect in Norway for this?

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Hi Anders, thank you. Yes the BZ GEN 4 65 will be much cheaper than the G70. I will have a comparison video of BZ GEN 4 vs GF G40 G70 vs Brewtools 40 & 80 Pro. In Norway the GEN 4 units will be about 2000kr more than the 3.1.1. So very good value 🍻🍻🍻

[@A2an]

As always, interesting video, Thank you for all your work. PS: The fruit bomb is by now just lovely. When it was young, like just finished carbonated (wit CO2 bottle) it had a tendency to get more bitter in the back of the mouth, and now it is smooth, so 12 stars out of 10 😉

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Cheers Allan. Yes the Fruit bomb takes a little time to find itself due to all those hoos but when it does be very careful with how many you drink of it!

[@philcox2355]

Hi David I hope to have fixed my basic brew kettle but I'm looking to see what system I might upgrade to next year. As it stands I must admit the BrewZilla 35 Gen 4 looks like a good choice. Do you have any hint of if or when a Gen 5 would come..? Many thanks

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Hi Phil, KL have not even considered a GEN 4 yet. This will only happen when there are significant reasons like new innovations. You are probably looking at 5 years as a minimum.

[@leifolehaagensen]

Hi, David, and thanks again for your brilliant videos, useful, informative and interesting en masse! I'm considering a BZ65G4 to replace my G30. Want to continue the use if the CFC if I switch. What are your experiences using a CFC (G30 or other) with the BZ65G4, is it as smooth sailing as with the G30, or are there any issues? Asking because you seem to prefer the Scylla IC over CFC nowadays, and wonder of that means that the Scylla is super, and/or that CFC compatibility is lower with BZ65G4 (if too fine milled grain, for example).

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Hi Leif, Its a very good upgrade. I am using a G30 CFC with mine. Its a very easy conversion to cam locks. I show this in my G30 camlock conversion video. For the CFC you just need one male camlock fitting. When I use the immersion chiller its if there is a hop stand. After this I then switch to CFC for the final transfer. I sometimes show this but not always. Ive not had any issues.

[@leifolehaagensen]

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Great to hear, thanks! Have the camlock fittings for my G30, with good help from your video. Thanks for useful input, I was afraid if clogging or something, but now I've got one thing out of the way, only the money question left 😎😎👍👍👍👍

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Ok great, the same camlock fittings work with all Robobrew and Brewzilla units too. So your CFC is ready 🍻🍻🍻

[@CraigHH]

Hi David, thanks for the video (amongst all of your brilliant videos). Do you know if the Gen 4 65L is possible to use in the UK without a 15a socket i.e. if you can lower the element power? I've heard a rumour this is possible. Failing this will need to get the 35L and extension kits. Thank you.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Great to hear Craig. Yes, you can lower the element power via the controller.

[@wollewolfram]

One thing I cant find a satisfying answer for is the difference between "flaked oats" and "flaked torrified oats". I am using the later in all recipies with flaked oats, but maybe I am missing someting here? The "flaked torrified" also have their husk present. Same thing for barley or wheat, is there a difference in taste or otherwise if they are torrified or not? I would very much appreciate some clarification on this.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

I explain all about the differences in wheat types in this video. I hope you do not mind me just linking it, rather than writing all this out. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3qyf5umnrNjpck

[@mitchfeaton6915]

Unless you bought the first g4 iteration from keg land in Australia which did not come with malt pipe perforations nor the newly designed top screen. Sucks to be first sometimes.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

As long as it works :)

[@mitchfeaton6915]

@@DavidHeathHomebrew still very happy with the purchase saves me a lot of time compared to my 3v set up and I don’t use a top screen on my ss brewtech mash tun, guess it’s just FOMO lol

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Great to hear Mitch 🍻🍻🍻

[@gregbishop639]

David, many thanks for this. I have the 65 litre Gen 3.1 and have already pre-ordered my Gen 4 unit from the local home brew store. Looking forward to seeing you use yours meantime. I wonder if the pump upgrade is a worthwhile addition - perhaps another idea for a video for you? Also, do you know what the deadspace is in the Gen 4? I’ve been unable to find it documented anywhere. The Gen 3.1 was 11.5 litres, which made smaller batches a challenge (like you note in your video). Cheers!

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Hey Greg. It seems to me that for most people the supplied pump is enough. The deadspace is very much reduced. I am planning a brewing software profile video for gen 4 35L and 65L that will give all details very soon.

[@gregbishop639]

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Fantastic - many thanks!

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

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[@leocarlsson3753]

Now that Kegland made it possible to brew smaller batches, I'd LOVE if they also made a small batch version of the Fermzilla. Living in a small apartment and mostly brewing less than 10l batches, a 15l all rounder would be a dream.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Nice idea Leo. I am planning a 5L batch soon :)

[@jauld360]

Have you considered using a Corny keg (19L) as a fermentation vessel? That has the advantage of being stainless steel, suitable for pressure fermentation or not and dual purpose (ferment + keg). The Fermenter King Junior (20L) is a cheaper alternative, but harder to clean and less durable than a Corny keg.

[@leocarlsson3753]

@@jauld360 Acctually, I hadnt! But I really should! Or maybe a 12l keg, and then transfer the finished product into a 9l keg

[@leocarlsson3753]

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Where do you ferment those? I'd love to be able to "play" and do some science with split batches to test yeast against a control, or test hop expression.

[@jauld360]

@@leocarlsson3753 I have some 12L Corny kegs for small batches and they are nice. But they cost almost the same as a 19L keg. If you go this route, look at fitting a floating dip tube. Being tall, it takes more time for sediment to settle in a 19L keg than in a bucket, but kegs are good for fermentation. You may be able to store them under the bed too, which is handy if space is an issue.

[@fgoulding]

I'm interested in the Gen 4 65L system but doubt if it will be available in Ireland this year or even ever...

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

I guess you can import from England without too much stress?

[@fgoulding]

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Brexit makes it too costly

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Yeah that sucks

[@dominiccrossland1179]

Hi David. I’ve been looking at the Gen3 35l I’m new to the hobby so not looking at maxing out finances. Would it support a 5l brew and would the immersion chiller work (I’ve seen comments that it won’t)?

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Hi, min batch on Gen 3 is 10L, should be ok with the immersion heater 🍻🍻🍻

[@7serwas7]

Cool, looked fwd to this, thx

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Cheers 🍻🍻🍻

[@jacktyrrell2050]

Hi David I've just purchased my new brewzilla gen4 65 and I'm having problems operating it my target temperature was set to 67 Celsius but my current temperature was about 74 don't know how to fix it any help would be much appreciated thanks

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Hi Jack, Have you been through the temperature calibration as per the manual?

[@jacktyrrell2050]

It's ok thanks I just found your video on pid settings very helpful sorted now thanks for that one David

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Ok great, that was going to be my second suggestion. I still suggest temp calibration too , if you have not yet.

[@CakeTastesOmNomNom]

Well done, thank you!

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Thank you and cheers 🍻🍻🍻

[@namnification]

Nice video and god info as always

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Thank you 🍻🍻🍻

[@joebirley2298]

Will the gen 4 malt pipe fit in the gen 3 model for diameter? of course it will stick out of the top. I would like to swap out my gen 3 malt pipe for the new one if possible as the central overflow is little use. Thanks for the great content!

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Thanks Joe. No it will not be the grain basket shown in this video below will fit in both and offers 20% more capacity than the GEN 4 maltpiie. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYWUm4ChnsukgZo

[@mavasnl]

I thought about your question. Maybe you can test a brew with high gravity so you can see how hard or easy it is. And maybe test a brew with more than 50% of wheat (without rice hulls). All to see how high the risk is of burning.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Sounds good to me 🍻🍻🍻 Thanks for your suggestions 😎

[@smurface549]

Dangit! Another video out of the category "I hope, my wife never finds out."... The Brewzilla was so nicely presented in this video, I couldn't help myself thinking how nicely it would go with my simple Fermzilla. Just the price tag is stopping me from ordering it immediately, but that's only temporary. However, what I'd really be interested in would be the downsides. What could still be improved about the Brewzilla? Obviously I don't own an all-grain system, but want to obtain one. I'm reading a ton about it, but as so often, many reviews are made by people who got one for free, for praising it to the highest tone ever. So, I'm hoping, David would ever make a video that is as critical as it can get. What doesn't work to the highest perfection in the different brewing systems? If the worst thing is that the buttons are "too clicky", it ain't be an issue for me. But is the heating power sufficient, is the pump good enough, is the control unit intuitive etc. Whatever it is that gives some struggle, I'm interested in. The negative usually tells more than the positive.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Hi Robin. I am very careful with the way I conduct production assessments and reviews. I think with such a system it is unrealistic to do a few brews and then a review. Its just not enough. So I prefer as gradual approach. Kegland have a lot of experience and expertise that I find reassuring. At this point I think the main thing will be waiting on firmware updates. However, if you do not live in Australia then by the time this reaches you those matters will already be settled.

[@smurface549]

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Hi David, I fully understand that a day has only 24h, and you can't test multiple systems to the extend of brewing countless batches and compiling a video with all experiences. Still, your reviews are very valuable, and surely you might have picked up on some things very quickly. Take the overflow pipe from this video as an example. Even if many brewing systems have them, you mention that the gen 4 system is better because it doesn't have one. But would I have gotten this information if you wouldn't have compared two systems? If I'd watch only a gen3 review, maybe I wouldn't be aware that a system without overflow pipe makes some steps easier. It's things like this, which you might pick up easily due to a ton of experience, which other people might not think about enough to mention it. Sure, no one (or at least not nice people) wants to badmouth a product. But there's nothing wrong with constructive criticism, and I'd be happy to get a little extra information, as I myself are only in the very beginning of my brewing journey. Still, I think that your response has just told the most important point about the Brewzilla. You say, maybe it's about waiting for firmware updates. Which tells me, the firmware could maybe use some improvement, but the hardware is all fine. For me that's fantastic news, as firmware can be changed rather easily, but the hardware can't. And finally, I'd like to thank you for your videos. They're not only educational, but for me they're also inspiring. Greetings and best wishes from a Nordic neighbour (the one with the weird language).

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Cheers Robin. I have never been happy with overflow pipework, it makes no real sense. Great to see both Grainfather and Kegland moving into the pipeworkless direction. The GF G40 does this well but with a higher pricetag conpated to Kegland. It is however very early days in my Kegland GEN 4 testing. Given some time and I will have the full analysis and answers for you

[@ToughDark]

Will it be possible to control the temperature setpoint via the RAPT platform? I pre-ordered mine already :)

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Yes.

[@ninkasihomebrewer8226]

Thank you

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Cheers 🍻🍻🍻

[@maureydion1150]

I think you already mentioned this...so 19 pounds of grain would be fine for my 35 litre Brewzilla?

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

17.6lbs is the efficient maximum for GEN 4, this drops to 15.4lbs for GEN 3.

[@maureydion1150]

@@DavidHeathHomebrew thank you. Maybe I did something wrong in Brewfather. When I put in your bourbon stout and change the equipment profile to Brewzilla 35l it changes to 19 pounds of grain.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Hmm, did you resize the batch? If not then it should be 14.46lbs

[@maureydion1150]

@@DavidHeathHomebrew oh yea I scaled the profile.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

That would do it :) I used 19L for that reason 🍻

[@rimmersbryggeri]

IS the mk4 finally coming to europe?

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Yes, I mentioned this in the end section. From the summer to September as a window at present.

[@pongsitlaw2042]

How much? Gen 4

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

These are only released in Australia right now.

[@gmiller4326]

I will never buy a tank that is NOT complete and will not be part of an up-sale pressure system. Look for other products that are really 100% complete in all components with no upsell techniques.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

You are not alone in this. All part of choice 🍻🍻