Brindisi - Not An Easy Ship

[@Flamuu]

This time with the correct scoreboard, woo! Also guys, I don't think we'll be able to reach that 100k goal by christmas, just not enough followers so the giveaway will have to come later. Still appreciate you guys dropping follows on twitch (and subs here), and I will keep grinding to reach that goal so we can have the giveaway later. I might do one out of pocket for Christmas, we'll see, thanks for the support anyway! Stream: www.twitch.tv/flamuu Insta: instagram.com/flamugram/ Twitter: twitter.com/flamuchz Discord: discord.gg/Flamu

[@nikanotsane]

np about score screen Just dont overdo yourself Love daily uploads thank you

[@truekiropfan8329]

Flamu It’s a shame. I don’t even really PLAY WoWS anymore and I still drop in to watch a new video from you every now and then, your commentary and opinions are just that amusing.

[@btbarr16]

This has nothing to do with the video, but could you put a bug in WG ear to make the next season of CB six-player matches. Don't know if it's just my clan but we almost always have 6 players available but, forever reason, getting 8 is difficult sometimes.

[@estoyaqui5386]

"It loses DPM to Ibuki" -minus Ibuki´s phenomenal torps -minus any fire-chance -minus the stealth Oh i am so looking fwd to this ship :-/

[@arnauddelacroix6423]

-the god-tier rudder shift as well.

[@jotasmail]

@@arnauddelacroix6423 and railgun accuracy

[@garrettgsf8849]

-small target size

[@acidroshan1]

All these nice things being said about the ibuki but no wonder how many still play that sack of shit

[@tpaktop2_1na]

Final end screen on the Venezia video, Reason: Jingles effect

[@tntfreddan3138]

W need a Flamu captain!

[@MrGrimsmith]

@@tntfreddan3138 Captain Hans FTW! :D

[@highping100]

@@tntfreddan3138 That would be so toxic and all words will be "beep" sound

[@gee.g.3131]

Dang, that passive aggressiveness towards the Missouri at the beginning... Feels like weekend

[@tommeakin1732]

I love the way that in wows nobody ever really mentions the actual belt armour a ship has, because it basically doesn't matter - instead they always talk about the plating or extended belt because that is what actually matters in this game lol

[@kai-xuanyao4666]

Yeah cuz pretty much no ship has too little or too thick belt armor. It's always penetrable if you don't angle enough, and inpenetrable if you do.

[@tommeakin1732]

@@kai-xuanyao4666 My point was that irl it would basically be the opposite - Wows is just a funny thing with it's auto-bounce mechanics and the like

[@jozseftoth9368]

@@kai-xuanyao4666 well, its more complicated, as a broadside BB's armor belt is usually impenetrable to most cruisers, even heavy cruisers. As Flamu told in the Venezia video, Venezia's AP pen is quite low. He was also mentioning the armor belt, and spaced armor the ship has

[@broyderpole7497]

yeah i mean crossing the T isn’t a valid tactic in this game and that tells you everything about its realism

[@steeltrap3800]

@@broyderpole7497 I played from Alpha testing through to 6 months after release. As I've been reading military history, including lots of naval, for nearly 40 years, I've said many times that the ONLY realistic things in this game are the ship models. All other things are varying degrees of bullshit. The sad part is I fear plenty of people who play think what they see here is some sort of accurate portrayal of the realities of naval warfare from roughly 1900-1950. As an aside, I observed in Alpha that I thought they ought to have covered the period 1890-1940. That would have allowed a few things. There were quite a few large navies with all sorts of vessels, and it could have shown the shift from pre-dreadnoughts and protected cruisers to fast BBs and CA or CL. They could also have ended with the famous ships instead of so many "SS Never Existed". Lastly, they could have avoided CVs entirely as I said even back then I felt WG was going to find balancing them so they were enjoyable to play without being dominant or at least hugely influential pains in the arse for everyone else a near impossible task. Copped a lot of flak in the forum for that (pardon the pun, lol) but I wonder in hindsight how many would tell me I was incorrect?

[@basileus9343]

>Flamu actually using the correct pronunciation of "bríndisi" Sploooooosh Come to Italy, im gonna hug you like a brother and feed you until you will have to be loaded in the cargo bay for your flight back to finland

[@grimmshredsanguinus2915]

U can give him a pizza tho

[@Nelsonwmj]

@@grimmshredsanguinus2915 Just don't put pineapple on it!

[@grimmshredsanguinus2915]

@@Nelsonwmj eeewww

[@trlacr1781]

I love how flamu waits for the italian captain to finish before continuing his commentary

[@MrZemIan]

The Italian Cruisers was a struggle until I got the Amalfi. Then I liked the Brindisi and ofc the Venezia is great imho. But Zara was "ok" at best. Everything below Zara was a chore though. Not easy to get shit done.

[@jimmiarreltherford8464]

Goddamn that was an epic comeback. Hell of a game, Flamu!!

[@Ensign_Cthulhu]

23:07 I had Vigilance and PM on my 19 point Fiji captain. When I felt I wasn't seeing much benefit from it, I switched to RPF. You're right; the utility of RPF is remarkable, and for me it was definitely worth the switch.

[@cZor]

Man you played this thing beautifully. Love watching your videos, showing me how to play it right. I haven’t been able to break into 90k damage on this boat yet. Can’t wait for the Venezia though! Though, I probably won’t play anyways till I can get the cruiser emblem. So far my best boat seems to Hindy

[@danielmillaire6412]

Tk you so much for all your videos, by explaining your reasoning and what's going on on the map it really helps understanding the game, and off course your valuable information on how you configure your ships at the end is a winning formula for all of us avg potatoes out there! Ok now time go get obliterated.. lol

[@michaelcarney6280]

I was struggling badly with this ship till I got Sansonetti. Since then I've been have decent games sad that I've had most of my best games in the Zara average damage of 61k and a win rate of 59% after about 100 games

[@suburbanview]

+I congratulated you in your effort to pronounce the name of the ships. I like that part of your videos. Thank You Flamu!

[@BillyOfTea]

I have noticed that enemy fleets like to concentrate fire on my Italian ships, as though I were Notser or something.

[@Talguy21]

Well, that's just Squishy Cruiser Syndrome. People know they're frail, so they focus fire them. (See: Pensacola)

[@arnauddelacroix6423]

@@Talguy21 And Omaha. I got deleted by a Sinop in 5 minutes. I believe the same would happen to the Emerald.

[@Talguy21]

@@arnauddelacroix6423 Yeah, there's an extensive list of examples I couldn't be bothered listing.

[@Fighterpilot555]

Sounds like Flamu had a Jingles Moment. I told ya'll that captain would doom us

[@GearheadK20C4]

I really don't think cv's should be able to attack after dying.

[@Feccerz_78]

Can you do a review on the Scharnhorst, I'm thinking of getting it and wonder if it's still viable

[@Minuz1]

it's still great, you can check the average stats of the ships here and other simular websites, notice the Scharnhorst black being a rather recent addition and it's pretty high in the ranks wows-numbers.com/ship/3763287856,Scharnhorst/ Hope that helps.

[@thelvadam2884]

@HunterPwner Sinop is for trash player's, scharnhorst has more potential.

[@thelvadam2884]

@HunterPwner Scharnhorst has a 70 mm bow and 45 mm deck , no overmatch for you, only a tiny bit of the tip from the bow is 25 but it's so small that you can't consistently hit it. + Scharnhorst has twice the turret traverse speed and is 3/4 knots faster, on equal Skill, the scharnhorst will win on close range no doubt, mid range is a even fight, only on long range Sinop has an edge.

[@filippoforni6781]

Your pronounce is always impeccable

[@Von_DBL]

As far as I understand SAP dynamics, regarding high tier battles, SAP would deal about 15-17k dmg on cruiser with full pool, and about 25k dmg on BB with full pool. After reaching those cumulative values the dmg output drops dramatically due to saturation blabla. Knowing this to know when switch target is very good to maximize impact of Italian cruisers during a battle. Sure on DDs and light armored targets this potential is more important, and some other high armor BBs or super cruisers dmg output will not be as high as expected but in a practical situation, scoring 7k dmg in a single salvo means you can do 1 or 2 similar salvo on the same ship before you have to switch. Flamu you chose concealment, I personally preferred to maximize range and rudder shift to avoid incoming shells more easily and deal significant salvos from distance. As SAP has a constant 54mm pen value and the shell arcs are pretty good, you are able to deal dmg to DDs even at 16-17km range. With a rudder shift set to 5.4s it’s very handy and nimble ship. But yea, I don’t have very good wnr because it’s limited to your teams ability to delete BBs on a given cap zone to free your own way through. And also at distance dispersion won’t make consistent salvos very easy. Shells disperse from water to hard parts and only a few end up pen.

[@wombat4191]

Is there any sense in using Italian AP over SAP in any other situation than having a good chance of scoring a citadel?

[@Ethereal-ss3jh]

Maybe if you're up against BBs with armor too thick for SAP, but even then, you should be using SAP on the superstructure.

[@wombat4191]

@@Ethereal-ss3jh So basically just broadsiding Kreml

[@Ethereal-ss3jh]

@@wombat4191 Or German BBs, though they have more superstructure to work with, so SAP would make more sense.

[@hailitalia86]

Close to medium/close range broadside cruisers. Very high alpha damage if your aim is on point. BBs, AP is useless, learn ships armor and shoot at the 32mm armor when u have their broadside. Soviet BBs have 32mm on the bow and butt. Clanmate did 15k to a Kremlins nose the other day with Venezia

[@wombat4191]

@@hailitalia86 That's what I meant when saying "good chance of scoring a citadel", of course against broadsiding cruisers. Regarding Kremlin, yeah it has 32 mm on the nose and bow, but also quite a bit of 60 mm and thicker at lower parts in them. So even if you aim at upper nose, some SAP might go too low and shatter. So AP might be better at some ranges.

[@steeltrap3800]

Well played as usual. An interesting replay to watch. SAP gave ~780 damage per hit v AP's ~2,150 so I guess that shows it'll be pretty important if you want to get the best from it to understand which to use against what targets and when. I see both CVs came 2nd in their teams, so presumably your CV was good, as was the opponent, or it's evidence they're still potentially dominant and fun-killing pains in the arse, or all of those are true. p.s. I've been a sub here for a long time, but I don't use Twitch.

[@omerbkcgl]

WG you release a brand new nation tech tree, you should have provided some italian captains with 10pointer at least, I really hate working on a captain from 0

[@neffels8768]

I cant even count how many times i have delted this ship in the roon just getting like 5 or 6 citadels per salvo

[@lisandromartinez7687]

a single shot and you get 30K, and a lower tier cruiser beats you at dpm It's nice but it needs a lot of help

[@manolisangelou6605]

it would be nice to also induce in the video description a link with the captain build,mods etc that you are using, thanks

[@Flamuu]

I always cover this at the end of my commentaries.

[@FaceofDanger]

Why is the replay at 2x speed?

[@MoA-Reload...]

Best way to avoid pronunciation issues is give the ships nicknames. 🤔 I will call this one Brenda 😁 Should fit in well with Granola bar, MiniMonty and Vinny

[@cloudwise6671]

That Haku killed the Friesland with AP bomber😂

[@thelvadam2884]

Tfw u get memed on

[@trebletrouble1348]

My grind for the italians ended at Trento and i eventually sold Trento to buy Harugumo. I think the italians need some kind of a buff to stay relevant, since if you occasionally miss your shots as i do your already bad dpm becomes grossly worse

[@demoncleaner80]

Trento was pretty awful. I enjoyed Mara OK, and Amalfi quite a lot. It's a fun line so far. On Brindisi right now, but only a couple matches under my belt.

[@thebaron6481]

@@demoncleaner80 the most OP ship in Italian tech tree awful? LOL

[@agoogleuseranonymous2658]

Man Flamu do you talk while playing or do you play, then talk and do the analysis? Must be intense lol.

[@terranceroff8113]

I'm managing to barely hang onto a better then 53% WR in mine.. she's a good ship, but yea you screw up.. BOOM! She really tank at all, what she can do is dodge gun fire but ohh boy do you have to be on top of it. The Italian ships are not for the squeemish, or the shy. Glass Cannon ships.. Love 'em!

[@akashranasinghe115]

Flamu it would be awesome if you do training battle tournaments with the new bbs and cruisers like those vids from ages ago.

[@Nurg1982]

le sigh, I always get caught off guard in this ship and get insta blapped by a BB

[@BPKPhoenix]

Posting the wrong scoreboard for the first time ever? That's a paddlin', Jingles is SERIOUSLY getting to you XD

[@cobrazax]

maybe instead of EM and JOAT take RPF? seems more useful overall

[@tommeakin1732]

How is SAP damage calculated?

[@drewdane40]

With a dice roll, I think

[@wombat4191]

It's like HE, but with substantially more alpha and pen (I think something around 54 mm for 203 mm guns), but in turn possibility of ricochet and no fire chance. It ignores armor angling like HE (except when at ricochet angles, that I think are a bit better than with normal AP, and much better with Venezia) and it can't overpen. And I think it can't overmatch, which would only happen against T7 and lower DD's anyways with 203 mm guns. So basically every hit does 1/3 of max damage, or either ricochets or shatters, doing no damage. I don't think any SAP can penetrate citadels that they are facing at their tier matchups, so no max damage shots are possible. Don't know if IFHE can affect SAP though, in which case I think citadeling Emerald with Zara might be possible but rare because of that small strip of 57 mm citadel armor. But I don't think that IFHE affects SAP. Somebody correct me if I got something wrong.

[@tommeakin1732]

Thanks for all that info, but I was hoping to also find out how WG calculates SAP and HE alpha - like do they take it from any historical records, like how much explosives the irl rounds had in their bursting charges?

[@TenkaFubu]

It's 33% of the Max HE/SAP damage value for a normal pen. Saturation lowers it.

[@wombat4191]

@@tommeakin1732 Ah yeah. No, I don't think they consider historical points that much, they just try to make it so that its balanced. Though it might not always feel like that.

[@MikoMuru]

This ship is trying to weakcreep instead of powercreep

[@wiryantirta]

Brindisi pointing at Ibuki; "POWERCREEP! POWERCREEP!" Ibuki: ???

[@kebobs3727]

Don't be quick to judge, some can make it work very well. I only took 17 games to grind this as it clicked well with me

[@trlacr1781]

@@kebobs3727 If it that's the case, that means you are a good player considering the skill cap for this ship and you are not an average player.

[@kebobs3727]

@@trlacr1781 it's definitely a high skill floor, high skill cap ship. Not surprising the reviews and feelings even among high level players are so divided. Best bet for someone thinking about the line is to try it and see if it clicks or if it doesn't

[@jjstuartonwriting8150]

Please don’t tell me difficult, I’ve nearly unlocked the Amalfi and was hoping for an easier grind.

[@capta1nher0]

I literally just unlocked it, just gonna use it as that stepping stone to god tier and try free xp as much as poss

[@Napalmratte]

All hail Discord Notifications!

[@goofinshmertz5390]

Napalm I didn't expect to see u here

[@tramachi7027]

2:30 So Italians are getting mad now, just because their Pasta ship names are getting bottled..MEanwhile any other ship that isnt from the US or UK are bottled just as much, if not more...Funny Pasta Men

[@Depipro]

Well Flamu, if you're into correct word stress (BRINdisi rather than BrinDIsi) and you're ready for the next level, here goes (and keep in mind a non-stressed o is pronounced a in Russian): KhaBArovsk MoskVA SmoLENSK GrozoVOI UdaLOI OgneVOI DonSKOI StorozheVOI SoYUZ KuTUzov ChaPAyev LaZO StalinGRAD LeninGRAD IzyaSLAV (IzYAslav in Ukrainian, though) SiNOP IzMAil VeLIkiy GANgut SuVOrov I think you pronounce the rest of them alright. ;)

[@Wildboy0001]

Superlucky As So often😍

[@TheSaberra]

Flamu on stream: So it's BRRRRRetaGGGGGne then? Thank you chat I knew all along that my pronounciation is always on point. Flamu on youtube: Chat corrected me and I'm doing my best to accent names in a corect way

[@weeaboobarko]

So fucking dumb that CVs can throw 109 planes away and not be punished at all

[@shotsfired_dk]

Blame jingles! 😉

[@grimmshredsanguinus2915]

19:14 hakuryu stats

[@Ingris1441]

what of them?

[@grimmshredsanguinus2915]

@@Ingris1441 oh u didnt get it xD

[@brent8335]

Finnish jingles confirmed 😊

[@t_mmey]

Brindisi more like Brindino

[@DanielLopez-up6os]

#BlameFatso

[@Zindith]

I just got done grinding through this ship and got to the Venezia, and let me just say....... Calling that ship a "Heavy Cruiser" Is nothing short of a F****** joke! Like what in god's name?! The grind was awful!

[@Ennergyiezs]

Pog

[@MythosMr]

Sorry disagree here- I am running all mobility modules and Brindisi is much more agile than Venezia, I am unable to run the Venezia as successfully as Brindisi- all andcantages are not there just one more better gun and maybe some plating that still does not matter really when all those Russian ships are shooting you.

[@John_Hudson_922]

an* ;-)

[@Flamuu]

Yeah was tired, already fixed it.

[@kanyewest2476]

nice vid. btw it's brìndisi

[@CesarinPillinGaming]

*gestures in italian*

[@MrJohnnyb74]

Brin Diesel

[@lidlpotato2047]

Zao video request No. 17 #roadto100

[@incainca9440]

Day 2 asking for a hipper commentary

[@Ryxxi_makes]

Potatoed

[@sgmrmp]

It's pronounced BRIN-di-zi

[@kukuwang7579]

noob venezia

[@100krakens2]

One gun less my ass. One TURRET less than Venezia (4x3 vs 5x3). Otherwise, a good review for a ship that is mediocre at best. Guess I'll just fast forward from Zara to Venezia using Free XP.

[@stallfighter]

@Alex S btw slow SAP velocity can be an advantage vs BBs, because it starts to pen their decks at much closer ranges