Venezia - Limited, But Fun

[@Flamuu]

Thanks for the subs and twitch follows, still grinding for that 100k on both platforms! EDIT: Oh ffs, don't edit while tired!! Actual scoreboard can be found here imgur.com/a/XQs7B8P ! Sorry :D Stream: www.twitch.tv/flamuu Insta: instagram.com/flamugram/ Twitter: twitter.com/flamuchz Discord: discord.gg/Flamu

[@turkosicsaba]

The results at the end are from an Iowa battle, FYI.

[@seamon9732]

Something must've got mixed up, it says you were in the Iowa in the team ranking post game?

[@Flamuu]

Yeah I noticed, this is what happens when you do editing while tired. The actual scoreboard: imgur.com/a/XQs7B8P

[@mitchman1411]

@@Flamuu You can edit and replace the video without losing the views, I think.

[@Roberto577_One]

"Increases range by 8 kilometers" Dammit Jingles, you infected Flamu.

[@6th_Army]

I'm surprised it took this long. Normally it takes a few minutes.

[@marcingrzybek8516]

The Jingles fever spreads fast guys :V

[@marcingrzybek8516]

@@6th_Army it is getting even worse: putting Iowa's battle post-game stats onto Venezia game... Full Jingles mode experience flamuLUL :D

[@me-ib1zo]

@@marcingrzybek8516 jingles 19 has infected 7 million people, be careful

[@ikbenhetmaar000]

could be a replay bug but u have your iowa game after game stats when u discus your venezia stats

[@Flamuu]

Haha! I can't believe it, this is what happens when you do editing while tired. The actual scoreboard: imgur.com/a/XQs7B8P

[@SappeREffecT]

He's growing up just like dad!

[@ryanyz10]

I was about to say, didn't know you could get dreadnought after dying

[@danehutchins3845]

@@somebody700 Flajingle... or Jinglemu

[@clefsan]

it's Jingmu - Flamu's panasian Cousin ;D

[@pelotudo4717]

7:54 "certain battleships that are basically immune to you" hmmm I wonder which one is it going to be

[@_dexcon_7008]

definitely not some sort of Russian ship wich is OP af lol

[@Warmaker01]

All those high tier BBs are going to bounce the shitty SAP shells when they angle or go bow on. The angles they hit BB deck armor or bow, it means it will bounce. SAP 203mm may have 54mm penetration, but they STILL BOUNCE. People think of that 54m SAP Pen and think along the lines like they're HE shells. They're not. They get bounced, just like AP.

[@holchan1]

I can garantee yamato its not one of them, took a 13k salvo in a ranked minutes ago.

[@jotasmail]

@@Warmaker01 if a bb angles against you, you can just blow up the superstructure, except kremlin who can bounce magically even some bb salvos with their stalinium superstructure........... Shooting at superstructure is a basic to do dmg to an well armored ship

[@pelotudo4717]

@@Warmaker01 well that's why crossfires are a thing, you're not supposed to use SAP the same way you use HE anyway

[@theScottishKoala]

11:20 it extends your range by how much again? Sorry, didn't realise I was watching Jingles XD

[@britmachine722]

Great Venezia video, but any reason why you finished the video with an Iowa result screen instead? :')

[@thomaswp2706]

Yeah Jingles has infected Flamu

[@Napalmratte]

I just was wondering if I got my daily dose of Flamu YT vid yet, looked on your channel for a new vid, et voila, new vid 4 mins old. I love it when a plan comes together :)

[@dinomra7771]

Are you going to feature some wows on your channel again?

[@Napalmratte]

@@dinomra7771 maybe

[@roberthavran2522]

Flamu: Venezia can't deal with pushing battleships. Also Flamu: deal 8k dmg to a pushing montana in one salvo.

[@sarpkaplan4449]

it is fucking useless vs kremlin

[@T3nZ88]

How in the world did that smolensk survive 20k damage from you and 2 torps from dd!?

[@kagakai7729]

Germany and Japan: we must put the flag of our nation on the decks of our vessels, so as to depict our naval strength Soviet Union: paint everything red United States: cover it in ocean blue wash so the planes can't see you oh god oh fuck Italy: haha candy cane

[@hailitalia86]

So I spent 2 hours in training to test it's citadel and pen potential on all the tech tree BB's. Gonna be a long post but it's good info. Also all my shots were made on perfectly straight targets to the midship armor belts. Once any angling is introduced the results get diminished heavily Montana: Midship/ Armor Belt: .7/.6 and under got easy citadels, .8-1.8 gets Pens, 2.0 and up are shatters. Nose: All Overpens Rear: Inner 1/4 pens and outer 3/4's all overpens Republique (This one's interesting): Midship: Lower half all failed with torp protection hits, total fail. Upper half got Pens 100% Nose and Rear: Inner half got pens, Outer half all Overpens GK (Another odd discovery as it is very well protected from SAP and I struggled to damage them once saturated) Midship: 4.5km and under I got Pens 100% of the time. Armor did nothing to stop it, very surprising Nose and Rear: Inner half got pens, Outer half all Overpens Conqueror: Midship: 2km and under got Citadels 100% of the time, super easy. 2-2.4km got pens. 2.5km and up got shatters Nose: 100% Overpens everytime Rear: Inner 1/3rd got pens. outer 2/3 got all Overpens Yammy: Midship: Lower half got shatters everytime no matter the range. Even at 0.2km I couldnt pen. The upper half got reliable pens at all ranges Nose: Inner 1/3rd got pens. outer 2/3 got all Overpens Rear: 100% Overpens everytime Kremlin: Midship: Lower half got shatters everytime no matter the range. The upper half got reliable pens. Sadly, this isn't recommended as the 2 armor halfs are super skinny so you'd pry be getting lots of shatters and overpens. Nose: Got overpens 100% everytime Rear: Inner half got pens and surprisingly broke it's steering everytime with a half salvo When it comes to SAP and where to shoot I highly suggest you go into the armor viewer for all the tech tree line BB's and find the armor layouts for Premiums. The stats in game say the total armor pen for SAP is 55mm so anything at or under that armor wise is where you'll want to put your shots.

[@TheGreatBoomy25]

11:20- Extends range by 8% not 8km, HUGE difference

[@rupertbearz3790]

Love your videos. I'm very new to the game, almost 1 day of playing and I'm definitely a cruiser player. Tried destroyer and hated it, did one mission with a BB and am undecided, because I've only done one mission. If you had to choose just one cruiser, which would you choose and why?

[@macrick]

Tone, need to max out maneuvour and speed propulsion. Spec, hydro. Hard to master, maybe after 200 hrs to be proficient.

[@kelso331]

This ship can do big Fuego. Just need some intellegencia

[@yikyak4249]

Faced off against a broadside Venezia in my Hindenburg. I shot AP at him and got 1 pen and 7 overpens. He shot me for 16k with SAP.

[@jozseftoth8731]

You should aim for the waterline next time

[@thephaze3]

Thanks for getting me into ships yet again, loving the frequent uploads lately too

[@benthelegend1030]

Yo Flamu, can u feature Des Moines/Salem? I'd like to see how u play it with the current meta. I really like DM/Salem but I seem to find a lot of difficulty trying to win and survive in a number of games

[@aboomination897]

Limited but fun - like my sexual experiences.

[@Nurg1982]

is the torpedo accelerator perk any good with the 7kts boost instead of 5?

[@enochevans4386]

Any chance you can do updated Mino and Zao games?

[@jamestriplett5854]

such a longship, there should be Vikings on board

[@jc-hf1bk]

Hello hello. Any tips for ryujo? My planes go down like flies.

[@bart1meuz]

Pretty sure that makes Flamu happy.

[@turkosicsaba]

Get Survival Expert (works on planes too) and check the enemy AA ratings before the battle in the teams panel to find easy targets. Only go for tougher ships after they've been HE spammed.

[@tntfreddan3138]

So, what you're saying is that the Venezia is like my Roon. No monster games with it but a lot of consistent games with around 75-90k dmg. My best in the Roon is 122k dmg and in the same game dodged and bounced 3 200 000 dmg. I came 2nd right after the Musashi that did 220k dmg. We were still close to losing that game.

[@OnboardG1]

Btw, what is the source for the AP pen? Its info im really interested in

[@watchthe1369]

Giggle, "Moscomatic Immunity!" Flamu: "Deleted!"

[@beware3586]

"has a huge citadel" Weird every time i shoot at the stupid thing it overpens lol

[@troglodyt1]

Your post battle screen shows an Iowa game...Did you catch something from Jingles?

[@ramjb]

I don't know about soviet BBs because I don't grind OP crap... but man, that thing CHEWS other BBs apart Seen SAP damage salvoes of 10k+ on BB superstructures. Also, rudder shift might not be that good but once it starts turning it does so in a dime, or so it seems. Mixed with that speed, I'm yet to get a reliable feel for where the heck should I shoot at long range against these things...

[@8RedBear5]

What does it say about a ship line when the only way to make them playable is to have a "Special" captain? What does it say about the WG Devs?

[@Mohandar881]

I don't think you're playing Venezia or Italian cruisers correctly. I've noticed this with every CC in general. They play the ships like standard cruisers. Italians do best on the flanks and crossfiring people, take advantage of the smoke to move up undetected on the map borders and do not fire until you get a guaranteed shot. If you can't, withdraw but stay on the flank to keep getting better angles so either they have to angle to you and eat damage from your team, or eat damage from you if they angle to your team. I play all Italians like that and I think they aren't limited at all, just they live and die by how well the teams do around them.

[@ThatOneDude7]

Old habits die hard i guess. Would love to see some of your footage to see the applicability of that strategy and how you apply it ingame

[@Igiveashitofaname]

16:00 savage hand gestures intensfies

[@wombat4191]

Hey Jingles Junior, you're showing us the wrong result screens :D

[@trololoev]

how about Venezia secondaries build (without manual secondaries) test?

[@trololoev]

@@Mostima115 they has good chance of firing (5%, same as Massachusetts/Georgia). 3,8 sec reload is good, same as Habarovsk. But Khaba has 8 gun and Vene has 24 gun. yes, it can't deal dmg because of pen, but it can start fire. and noone expect Venezia to start fire. p.s. but accuracy on Venezia secondaries awful. i think it worst what i ever seen.

[@SWIFTY_WINS]

Result screen from an Iowa game lol??

[@zanspierrot825]

How can i get the captain? I didnt see nowhere

[@Elgar7022]

Interestingly, I've been finding that Kurfurst tanks better against a Venezia than the Kremlin does. Venezia's shell velocity allows for an experienced marksman to land pretty good salvo's into a Kremlin's bow, stern, or superstructure for those juicy 10k+ salvos... but I can't pull off the same numbers against a Kurfurst. It has so many Secondary guns on the side that they absorb much of the SAP's alpha damage, far more than the Kremlin does.

[@Zak.Sparrow]

Where do you get the AP pen numbers?

[@donmills10]

Flamu...simply the best

[@claudekim7876]

I love fighting this thing in my hindy. I do 3000 a hit. He does 12k a hit. Seems super balanced.

[@Miokomata]

Why do u have an Iowa finishing screen. Total jingles in effect.

[@zzman1490]

will you do one of the Black Friday ships next?

[@6uiti]

The new al.nevsky 180mm guns has the exact same pen as the venezia 203mm at all ranges according to wowsfiting tool

[@firewing1319]

I am guessing you can’t use ifhe on sap. But if you could...... yeah that would be fun. I mean if you can get a bit above 75mm for a certain bb.

[@boomslang3245]

Whats with the Iowa results screen on a Venezia game?

[@metalslug2776]

An actually balanced DD hunter. Amazing.

[@noahmadelil6253]

Y do you not run personalization on Luigi Sans?

[@ryant9582]

Jingles? Is that you?!? XD

[@samarkand1585]

Good thing that enemy Conqueror was so potato at the end

[@Taruth24]

Those post battle Screenshot arme from an Iowa game XD

[@lt.aisman5997]

18:33 wrong results, it's IOWAs Flamu xD

[@miguelcuaresma8881]

Does this ship actually exist as a project? Or is it just a fictional ship Wargaming made up?

[@marcofava]

It actually did exist as a project, it a design of the Italian navy contemporary to the Des Moines class of ships to be used as an escort for the Littorio or subsequent classes of Battleships in the Mediterranean. In line with most Italian designs of the pre/during war period she lacks AA because Italian naval planners generally expected to operate where the Italian Royal Airforce could cover them, as they had the dodecanese islands, Sicily, Sardinia, North Africa, Crete and they fully expected to have Malta as well, therefore very little emphasis was ever put on anti aircraft defenses for most Royal Italian Navy ships.

[@martinzhang5533]

What a throw by the other team, if the kleber just stayed away they'll win by points even if the conquerer dies with out killing you

[@Xefender7]

the throw is real!

[@ResistLight]

what is speed boost. I only know spood beast

[@hannibal2168]

i love you flamu get that content coming

[@Tasukete_22]

how do i get that commander?

[@gazlink1]

Complete the Italian collection. 1 Italian collectable is in each Italian container. You can also then use Italian Navy tokens to get more containers.. they're about 30 tokens each. And then use duplicates to get the last few.. 16 items for the collection to get the captain.

[@marcingrzybek8516]

56 knost torpedoes speed and they are incredibly slow you say? "Challenge accepted, hold my beer" - says Sims with its 49 knots :V

[@vtr0104]

It's not just the Torpedo speed, it's the range too :( I'm only up to Tier V, but this 5km Torpedo range has gotten me killed so many times it's not even funny anymore. You basically have to suicide to get a good volley off. I've ended up playing my DD as a tiny cruiser, just lobbing HE at everyone in range, then hiding behind an island or in my smoke-screen. I mean... I'm still doing some damage and helping with spotting, but feels shitty to play a DD and not be able to use torpedoes on anything unless you're hiding around some corner and an unfortunate soul comes around for you to blast to bits.

[@brent8335]

Flamuu can you run RPF on Yamato 🤔😁

[@DanielLopez-up6os]

Venezia been devastating against dds in CB.

[@sorrynotsorry8224]

13:55 Actually, Venezia is faster than a lot of the DDs (assuming they don't use speed boost)

[@ThatOneDude7]

Nope you have to dodge, he doesnt have to since hes just spotting you

[@sorrynotsorry8224]

@@ThatOneDude7 Listen at the timestamp. Flamu says Venezia isn't faster than a DD. That just isn't true.

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

first i was like 5x3 yay. then i saw the reload.

[@AtlasRandGaming]

I love Flamu, but this is totally the wrong setup for Venezia. AA in slot 3? No no no...rudder in slot 2? No no no...

[@bryanhe3249]

at 18:09 it says Iowa?

[@drixs2050]

You put an Iowa game screen shot at the end

[@QuentinousX13]

I feel like when you get the flanking position this thing can be a monster, at least more than other ships.

[@Cailus3542]

Juggs That’s true of most 203mm+ cruisers, really. Des Moines, Zao, Hindenberg and Henri IV are all devastating in that situation.

[@phongkhamtimmach7173]

The Hippy Griff yeah but the venezia is much scarier with its 15 203mm guns.

[@ThatOneDude7]

@@phongkhamtimmach7173 literally all the ships that he mentionned are jist as scary if not scarier. Hindenburg will do the same but faster, Henry will pop his reload booster on you (since hes in a flank position thats free damage), DM will shoot 4 times before Venezia gets his second shot off and Zao has disgusting AP dmg+pen + the concealement and agility to go into those positions, pown you then disappear again

[@donathusz5205]

Reupload the video because of the Iowa game results Creed guy. We love you ❤️

[@juancho420]

Was wondering if this line is even worth it

[@gilileo8732]

Nice Iowa Game! 😉 Just kidding... Good Venezia Vid.

[@tensour8290]

As always I could watch and learn about the new ship through your amazing play. However, there seems to be a bit of numerical error in the video. Venezia's AP shell penetration is higher than any 8-inch gun in the game at mid-long range (more than Zao at its max range, although henry and moskva have much more pen because of their big gun. ).In general, Venezia can hit citadel on most cruisers that show their broadside around 15km range . But the AP alpha damage is the lowest of all 8-inch guns(4800)

[@harryjones3820]

Can you brawl on this?

[@kclsevsw]

I got 2,600 games and my most planes shot down is 55... and that was with the Venezia.

[@aijokallen6669]

This video didn't age too well tbh. Venezia is very good in the current meta since it hard counters stalin

[@ManBoll-tc1px]

Yaaaamaaatooooooo

[@gazlink1]

I'd be interested to see the British heavy cruisers.

[@cheguevara7478]

So it’s Brooklyn on steroids

[@hetzhornchen7319]

nice end screen :D

[@ladion7285]

Iowa score board :D

[@broyderpole7497]

3:24 is it just me that started seeing the vid spazz out?

[@seen203]

The Italian ships have the best perk- The ability to switch sides.

[@incainca9440]

Day 1 asking for hipper commentary

[@LavenderSunrise]

Who's back here after the dutch line dropped

[@arthurblackburn5851]

Read title as *Giant Garlic Bread*

[@TheSaberra]

what

[@kai-xuanyao4666]

And Venezia is getting nerfed twice... Definitely OP in WG's books.

[@Hexaion]

End screen is Iowa not Venezia x)

[@grimmshredsanguinus2915]

Iowa is the new venezia

[@destroier920]

Hey Creed Guy, having the Mighty Jingles in chat might have rubbed of on you, you have the wrong stats card at the end of the video. It's from an Iowa game and not the relevant Venezia game.

[@jimmyseaver3647]

Dat end screen error, tho

[@zujiahuang8454]

So they created a ship (or a ship line) intentionally handicapped so that you have to grind/buy a special captain to be effective. Great.

[@stevie.die_9051]

The hell, why are u not spotted at 13:40 ? xD

[@strikermate7516]

He was in a Cyclone, and the Montana was greater than 8km away. He could see the Montana still because his spotting plane was detecting it, you can see the Montana disappears once the Spotting Plane is destroyed, and later they spot each other when the 8km spotting threshold for cyclones is reached.

[@stevie.die_9051]

So his minimap is broken. It doesnt show the 8 km spotting range of his ship in cyclon

[@BPKPhoenix]

To anyone who views this video. See that big red button below the likes and dislikes? Press it. That's ALL you have to do

[@flaviosalatino8192]

Ehm....Iowa post game stats? You pulce a Jingles here

[@bart1meuz]

late upload. glad its here tho :D

[@Gibson2705]

OP Ship. Superior AP with no bounce and no shatter and no recochet. Superior Turret with 15 gun. Superior Rudder and Turning Circle. This ship has no weakness. Change my mind.

[@TheChaosUmbra]

Still dunno how WG could release a line that is so unbalanced, it's not like they were given plenty of feedback that the gimmicks kill the line...

[@StaK_1980]

Uhmmm, Flamuu, that is an iowa score...

[@KaijuAlert]

I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this line is really underwhelming. A line of mediocre ships that can perform ok in certain situations and then a tier X that virtually requires a special commander. I'm not feeling much of an urge to grind this.

[@hailitalia86]

This line scales with the players skill level. If you are a average player than this will be a average boat, but if ur a very good player this line can turn into a devastating game changer. I'm a above average player and am unicum with these but that's only because I understand and can utilize its strengths and have map awareness. The times I get lazy with them I usually dont do much, it is tiring playing these just cuz you need to have full attention at all times. What other cruiser can literally take a full HP Fletcher down to 100 hp in one salvo. Lol that was a fun one, used islands to cut him off and had him at like 3km, think i hit like 13 shells or something crazy like that.

[@MarsRedPlanet1914]

to be fair the Tiers 1n 2 and 3 are good

[@AndrejD303]

Venezia in russian tree would be great i can see 32mm bow, radar.... dm ap angles... :D

[@notaidan4451]

Uh Flamu did you potato and show us the wrong scores lol

[@jagsdomain203]

I am up to t8 and cannot fig why I am still trying. WG hates the Italians these are very meh