Brit Reacts to Could The US Citizens Fight Off The US Military?

[@SuperMeat83]

One of the biggest issues would be convincing te military to attack their own citizens. It's hard to convince someone to fight against their parents siblings and friends.

[@victormorgan7766]

Cops do it every day!!!

[@Viconius]

@@victormorgan7766 Not the same situation. Cops do it regularly but individually and it's not part of police doctrine. The military has become less indoctrinated than it had been in the past, but it's still a powerful motivational force. It's why the Homeland security considers all EX-military personal as at least potentially national security risks. That may be idealistically inaccurate, but functionally true. The majority of ex-military could become extremely dangerous in way an untrained citizen wouldn't. But it's that indoctrination that also makes it unlikely in an appreciable numbers. it's this fundamental characteristic that would make it difficult to convince the bulk of the US military to turn on its citizens. Getting them to turn would be harder than citizens fighting them.

[@TheRemixstress]

LIES..... I have people in my family that's in military, and they ALL will tell you that they took a solemn oath to protect The Constitution & the USA from ALL threats *FOREIGN & DOMESTIC* If they had to fight against citizens that has turned domestic terrorist, they would DEFINITELY wipe them out.✅✅

[@x2TGDaBoyz]

Some citizens also have some military equipment, tanks , helos.

[@TheRemixstress]

@@x2TGDaBoyz And judging by how the US military WIPE out other terrorists that also has tanks, the citizens that turn domestic terrorist would be a PIECE OF CAKE.... The Air Force would take out EVERYONE without even having to have troops on the ground. If you think the citizens are beating the military.... Rethink it, because it's NEVER happening. Just look at the Laser weaponry ALONE that the US military possess. lmao

[@SilvanaDil]

There are millions of veterans in the US. *If* the vast majority of them were insurgents, they could make real trouble for the military.

[@m2hmghb]

Even if the minority were. Green Berets are the perfect example - they train insurgents all the time.

[@amirrizer5069]

Yea right. Military has the money and equipment. Don’t kid yourself.

[@craigmeaders3867]

I spent 21 years in the service and 3 years in Afghanistan learning how the insurgents operated… as did millions of other veterans. It only takes a few hundred of dedicated people to completely make chaos. Don’t think the service would be able to operate easily in most areas and would also be easily infiltrated. It would be hard to defend your bases when everyone you are trusting to guard it are suspect.

[@levirissler3486]

​@amirrizer5069 who feeds/clothes/ and powers the US military? The US military hasn't won a decisive victory in Vietnam Korea and the Middle East, against farmers. The military would fold rather quickly with their troops going awol and civilian Sabatoge operations.

[@m2hmghb]

Don't confuse civilian losses with military defeat. In Vietnam not one battle was lost. The politicians are in charge of the military but have no idea about it.@@levirissler3486

[@mockfanatik]

My husband and I are veterans, electronic warfare analysts. First, every soldier takes an oath to uphold and protect the constitution, not the government. They would be asking the military to fire upon their own friends and family. Plus, there are more veterans than active duty military. We have the same training and know how to work the same weapons. We have lived on military bases and know how to get in and off base. Plus, the retired cops and firemen also. Also the optics would be horrible, who would your target be? There is a video that has this scenario by the same person that did this video. I live in Texas and we go shooting on weekends. My son has been shooting since he was 9. So we are all pretty good and could defend ourselves if it came down to it.

[@aaronturnage770]

Well said, and THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

[@toxictines72]

Thank you for your. Service and well said I’m not military but I grew up hunting and shooting with my dad and brothers and we teach our kids the responsibility of gun and we know are land just as much as military and also I’m sure the military and responsible gun owners are on the same page

[@montrelouisebohon-harris7023]

You’re right about that end in America most of us and especially more moderate conservative really really praying for our military and our police and it pisses off to no end when they use weapons against citizens unlawfully or they do it because they’re scared like what happened on January 6, 2021. Awful. There were a couple idiots breaking windows and I don’t know why they did it except a friend of mine. It was there said a couple thousand people walking in about 30 Capitol police were standing around and I think they just got scared - they were close to 400 or 500,000 people walking over to the Capitol just a protest. President Trump has been asking for 10,000 or more National Guard from January 2 January 3 fourth fifth and Nancy Pelosi denied it and she denied it over and over and then she turned around and fired the chief of the Capitol Hill police when he did his job but she didn’t want anybody finding out about what she did so the January 6 commission was made up of her hand-picked representatives and only two were Republicans and they were Liz, Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, who were one big baby and Wiz is a warmonger establishment, Republican, like her daddy.., her dad was George bushes, vice president, and a warmonger. In addition to shooting somebody on a hunting incident even know it was an accident. I know a lot of these people who go out and loot and burn cities to the ground, have activist and NGOs & politicians behind them. There was a girl up at Donald Trump’s civil trial in New York out protesting and she was telling somebody there from Fox News. She was being paid to go so of course she was going to go.😂😂 WHAT??? a political party, and the establishment Republicans and Democrats in America are so insecure. They got a pay people to go protest.?? Geeze!! that’s awful. On January 6 there were so many thirds and BLM on the ground because everybody was dressed in black and you could tell them apart from other people and then we’re probably 200 or more people and they were just agitator and people that were in the inside of the Capital, we’re telling them to stop destroying stuff, and one guy wanted to burn the place and somebody took away his lighter!! People got accused of doing so much that day that was not done but there were assholes. They are like the two idiots trying to break a window to the Capital door for whatever reason and yet behind I’m still about 100 people with about six Capital officers just chatting.. there was a plain clothes officer on the inside, shooting five bullets into the crowd another wall you’re myself he should’ve been charged with third-degree murder, because that was reckless firing of a weapon, and he could’ve hit even his own colleagues. Nope!! Can you find four times and missed and then on the fifth fire he hit Ashli Babbitt in the neck and killed her.!! I think he was probably trying to hit the two guys who were the idiots attempting to break the window, but he broke the window by firing bullet through it, and it was so sad because we’re gets around really fast when you kill somebody and especially when you kill a woman and a veteran. Uh oh .. word got around the Capitol in about 5 to 7 minutes and that’s pretty freaking fast but that’s when all hell broke loose and yeah, there were a lot of people being a whole lot of Capital officers who were being aggressive, but if they weren’t being aggressive to the people on the ground, they weren’t aggressive to them. That was a shitty day !! the only people that provoked anything on the ground were some capital officers and the rest of them and the majority of them were wonderful, and the agitator dressed in black from head to toe, and a few of them would be wearing a Trump hat, but they looked weird because everything else from head to toe was black and of course they were wearing facemasks because of COVID-19 and they were trying to hide their faces but on January 6 most Trump supporters were not wearing masks and many of them were so it just depended but they didn’t have the FBI from hunting down people standing in the grass and arresting them. The FBI’s budget needs to be seriously cut, and I know we’re gonna have a big big risk of being attacked from the inside of our country because of all the illegal immigrants coming through without being vetted thanks to Biden. Yet. We can always activate the US marshals office to go after terrorist and criminals as well. The FBI need a swift kick in the butt and they should have their funding cut in half and I’ve always admired the police and most of them are respectful and respect worthy but a lot of these who directly go after people of color or poor people and anybody wearing a freaking red hat or somebody that supports a republican or Donald Trump is just absolutely unprofessional.. it’s sad that this stuff happens in America.

[@stevesmith2873]

Excellent point!

[@beckygrant2258]

Pipe dream!

[@forevertoons9022]

The US military would never fight the citizenry as, for the most part, many of the citizenry are members that are, or were, in the military. Also, the troops give an oath to defend the Constitution, not a person. Any orders that would run contrary to the Constitution would subject those giving those orders to arrest for treason.

[@Viconius]

Also consider much of the military is made up of Guards and Reserves who would have to walk out of their house, school or work pop on a uniform and come back ready to kill people in those places. It's just too unreliable to work. Again, what would have to happen to "trick" them all into doing that?

[@hikarushindo9131]

Have you all forgot about Trump ordering State National Guard (which can be absorbed into military branch) to remove US Citizen's for his upside down Bible shoot.

[@petera618]

Exactly, they take an oath to defend our Constitution and I also believe that most citizens who hold arms (except for the inner city low life criminals) are defenders of the Constitution. The scary thing is, is that in this current political climate, we have too many radicals that are being put in positions of power that would love to dismantle our Constitution and not to mention the Marxist ideologies that are being pushed on this younger generation in the universities. History has shown us that it could happen anywhere, anytime.

[@AxelFoleyDetroitLions]

Agree

[@madelineshockley5906]

Could it be possible that another force would fight the citizens, like nato or un forces?

[@daveratledge]

The vast majority of the military would side with the citizenry. So the military would not function in any manner that it currently does.

[@A_Name_]

Depends on what the citizens are up in arms about. Let's not pretend that is a black and white thing. If there was some white supremacy uprising in the country then the military would be fine busting some morons heads for example. I also seriously doubt it would get to that point over anything any way.

[@MegaMagicdog]

I'm not so sure. Many veterans who are separated probably would be on our side, but I don't trust the current brass. If there are a bunch of foreigners in it (or a UN army) we could have issues. Remember that IL Gov. Pritzger just made it legal for non citizens to be law enforcement!

[@TheRemixstress]

Not true.... I have many people in my family that's in military, and they ALL will tell you that they took a solemn oath to protect The Constitution & the USA from *ALL threats FOREIGN & DOMESTIC.* If they had to fight against citizens that has turned domestic terrorist, they would DEFINITELY wipe them out with no problem.✅

[@coyotelong4349]

@@MegaMagicdog You “not trusting the current brass” is because of politics, and not because of anything substantially different that the military brass is doing compared to under Trump The US Armed Forces have been run pretty much the same way for many decades, regardless of who the president is. Politics really has no bearing on how they function. That’s why it grinds my gears to see morons like Tuberville interfering with the Armed Forces because he thinks it will help him politically

[@bloodgodalucard4769]

Not really. As soon as they line up the first few hundred that disobey and blow their brains out, the others will fall in line. Then they just need to start carpet bombing a few city blocks and racking up a 4-5 figure body count. You'd see that militia disband pretty fast.

[@ryantannar5301]

It's all going to depend on WHY the citizens and military are fighting. All American soldiers take an oath that places the US constitution in higher authority than any human. In theory it's an American soldier's job to defend the citizens against even the US government. A massive percetage of the military would honor that oath and rebel under the correct circumstances.

[@stevewhiting556]

The government works FOR us, not the other way around. The military is required to follow lawful orders. An order to attack US citizens is unlawful and treasonous. It would be a bad day for whoever gives that order.

[@darnoc0010]

For those that don't know this scenario is why the 2nd amendment for baring arms exists. Also you forget that all veterans are on the citizens side. Also most people join the U.S. armed forces to PROTECT the American population. So an all out war against them would defeat there reason for fighting.

[@Viconius]

Great points. Also the US is all volunteer. Even the worst of them had to be motivated enough to volunteer. The process changes you, just as intended. Unlike many years ago, it also makes you more understanding of other Americans and gives you empathy... even if you already had it. To me, the real question is what would it take to actually get the military to turn on its citizens. it would be easier, I think, to get them to turn on their government.

[@TheRemixstress]

Not true.... I have many people in my family that's in military, and they ALL will tell you that they took a solemn oath to protect The Constitution & the USA from *ALL threats FOREIGN & DOMESTIC.* If they had to fight against citizens that has turned domestic terrorist, they would DEFINITELY wipe them out with no problem.✅

[@coyotelong4349]

No, it’s not why it exists. Or at least, that’s definitely up for debate At the time the 2A was written, the US had no standing army and was entirely reliant on a citizen militia for national defense Now that citizen militia is organized into the National Guard, and we also have the Armed Forces The 2A exists to provide private citizens with a means of personal protection… not to fight off the government

[@darnoc0010]

@@coyotelong4349 That would make no sense since this was the document the country was to be based on. A military would have happened either way once they were considered a country so why would that be the sole reason for it in the constitution. We are the only population in history to be granted the right to arm ourselves against all threats foreign and domestic including our own government. I agree it's up for debate but one side makes sense and the other is illogical.

[@darnoc0010]

@@coyotelong4349 Also the National Guard and Armed forces are separate from state militia's. They couldn't have become them because they still exist.

[@brandyforsythe1882]

Completely agree, I would bet the vast maj6of the armed forces would not side with the government over it's own citizens. Period.

[@TheRemixstress]

Not true.... I have many people in my family that's in military, and they ALL will tell you that they took a solemn oath to protect The Constitution & the USA from *ALL threats FOREIGN & DOMESTIC.* If they had to fight against citizens that has turned domestic terrorist, they would DEFINITELY wipe them out with no problem.✅

[@coyotelong4349]

Obviously they wouldn’t. This is why the “armed citizens rise up against a tyrannical military” scenario is one that only plays out in the imaginations of the far-Right and has no bearing on reality

[@kokomo9764]

You are very wrong.

[@patrioticz2858]

​@gregorythoman9764 they aren't

[@jasonsimons4411]

​@@kokomo9764 as a veteran, I assure you the majority of the military would side with the citizens.. there would be some, but at least 90% would fight for the people, not against them.

[@Sobergirl_]

Plus, you gotta remember that even the people serving in the military could disagree with the government as well and fight along side the citizens.

[@L3WGReacts]

trueeeeeeeee + their family will be fighting them

[@douglassharp108]

Each state has it’s own soldiers in their National guards. They work for their states governors. Many states also have militias, in my state (CA) it’s called the State Reserves. They have tanks, artillery, fighter jets, small arms… The US doesn’t have just one Army. Our civil police are also not national entities, each city, county, and state has it’s own para-military forces in their police agencies.

[@ratlips4363]

There are more than 3.2 million vets in California and Texas alone. Everything would have to be done guerrilla style which is what caused the US to leave both Viet Nam and Afghanistan. A large military does not equal an automatic win against clandestine fighters. Lockdown in the US occurred mainly in the large population areas such as the cities. Not so in the countryside.

[@austinamburgey]

remember, our military is a volunteered service. The issue the government would have is to convince military personnel to turn on the citizens. Tough ask seeing how the majority of the military are sensible, family oriented people.

[@deniseharris9320]

A lot of the military won't turn on their family. They're not going to start shooting at grandpas house because he's on the other side of the conflict. You also have to take into account that there are Vietnam veterans and other veterans that know things people don't automatically know they know. They were all taught how to make napalm and sticky bombs on the fly. They weren't given the equipment. They had to make it sometimes.

[@TheRemixstress]

Well as long as those citizens do NOT turn into domestic terrorist, then they'll be safe. People in the military will tell you that they took a solemn oath to protect The Constitution & the USA from *ALL threats FOREIGN & DOMESTIC.* If they had to fight against citizens that has turned domestic terrorist, they would DEFINITELY wipe them out with no problem.✅

[@dwaingambino1979]

​@@TheRemixstresswe have the 2nd amendment to protect ourselves from the government. Military doesn't have to comply with unlawful orders

[@coyotelong4349]

@@dwaingambino1979 The 2nd Amendment is not to protect you “from the government.” It’s to protect you from criminals or anyone else who would want to hurt you

[@TheRemixstress]

@@dwaingambino1979 And the military took a solemn oath to protect the country from terrorist.... *Foreign or Domestic* If you think they will not protect against domestic terrorists you're kidding yourself. And it's nothing unlawful about an order to protect your country from home grown domestic terrorist... IT'S THE OATH THEY TOOK & STAND BY✅✅

[@dwaingambino1979]

@@coyotelong4349 yea now that's included but look up why we have it in the first place

[@martyb5807]

The question is, how many citizens are veterans? Another is how many active duty personnel would defect to the civilians? That's always a possibility depending on the reason for the Civil war. There are many variations to this scenario.

[@chuckpowell2431]

I agree. This is a huge,"hit the I believe button for argument sake." If the order was passed to the military to attack its own citizens most military members would attack the creator of that order. Even national guard are only allowed to disburse a violent group with non lethal action.

[@courtneymartinez8639]

One thing to consider is that 1000’s of those in the military would fight with all of the citizens. Soldiers believe deeply in their country and pledge to uphold the constitution. Our constitution allows us to fight a tyrannical government.

[@johnknight7296]

People forget that the US Government is a federal system. A big question is going to be how state and local governments, and law enforcements agencies are going to react. The Federal Government is not really well equipped to fight it own people since it does not directly control much population or territory. The US Civil War the US Federal Government had to lean heavily on the loyal states to supply money and troops. You currently see the States taking aggressive legal action against the over reach of the US Federal Government. So you have a significant local and state power system that is not going to be universally supporting the Federal Government.

[@robbieh.chafin6202]

Don't forget the number of veterans we have

[@robinbond7878]

@@TheRemixstress Are you talking about the little puke that was harassing and threatening people on the subway? The guttersnipe that had FORTY PREVIOUS ARREST FOR ASSAULT? I’ll tell you whose fault this is. The morons who let that worthless jackass roam free in the first place. Had he been prosecuted and JAILED for the first offense, he would still be alive!!

[@nemomarcus5784]

Not just veterans who used to be in the military. The military also needs to resupply their troops which means it wouldn't be difficult for insurgents to join the military and fight and sabotage from the inside If some insurgents were assigned guard duty to secure military hardware, how difficult would it be to supply the insurgents on the outside? It would be a losing battle to the government side. For the British guy, tell me how long the British military fought the IRA and how well that went.

[@TheRemixstress]

Don't forget about the 100's of THOUSANDS of bombs & artillery that we have for ANY veteran that wants to turn into a DOMESTIC TERRORIST against the US military.... Ask Ashlii Babbitt how being a Veteran, then turned domestic terrorist ended for her.👀👀😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@rickykilgore4409]

What he basically talking about is civil war ... With that said the military would split

[@Viconius]

Curious, kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJa8dZRud51lqqM

[@OkiePeg411]

There's no way other countries wouldn't get involved. But would the British, Australian, Canadian citizens support our citizen militias or our rogue government???

[@S_Cooper0404]

I agree. I think if our government decided to go up against the citizens, the majority of the soldiers would side with the people!

[@swatson1190]

My grandson went on his first deer hunt two years ago and he got a eight point buck. He was 8 years old. He is a good shot. He wants to be a military sniper when he grows up.

[@msslotsakamichaelsalerno8162]

Wolverines!

[@robinbond7878]

This is heavily counting on the service people turning on it’s own people, which goes against the whole reason why they enlisted to begin with!

[@marysue7165]

Yes, I think US soldiers would have issues with killing there own

[@TheRemixstress]

Not true.... I have many people in my family that's in military, and they ALL will tell you that they took a solemn oath to protect The Constitution & the USA from *ALL threats FOREIGN & DOMESTIC.* If they had to fight against citizens that has turned domestic terrorist, they would DEFINITELY wipe them out with no problem.✅

[@southernhippie9058]

They take an oath to protect against enemies both foreign and domestic.

[@TheArtistFKApingaso3687]

@@southernhippie9058to protect the constitution not the government.

[@paulsullivan2741]

Basedonthe US Civil War a large percentage of the active duty military would leave Federal service and join state or local government/ insurgents. They would also take equipment with them. It would also depend on what states might rebel as those bases depend on local support to feed and supply thier troops.

[@CR-pp3yg]

And based on the US Civil War a lot would fight the traitors and the traitors would lose. Again.

[@user-tz5gm4rj7f]

A few things. First, The Fed will never use the military against the US people. The military comes from the US population. If the country is against its government the military personnel will be somewhere on the spectrum. It would also be difficult to convince military personnel to turn on their friends and family. Then there is the mindset of the people of the US, and what they can do. People refusing to pay taxes will cut the Fed of its financials. We also believe in voting. Signing a bill, and it would take a vote from Congress (House of Reps and House of Senate combined), would be professional suicide. Secondly, the American people fought for its independence from the strongest military in the world. We also fought against the many nations that were already here. We can be aggressive if we need to be. I live in a state that the Fed built a air force base. While the state government was okay the people were not. Some built home made anti-aircraft weapons. They went on a government-funded holiday, but the base was closed. I firmly believe that the only thing the US government is afraid of is the people of the United States.

[@Navybrat64]

I agree....well said!

[@robinbond7878]

I wouldn’t put ANYTHING past our corrupt government. As we speak bendover biden is trying to put us under the authority of the UN. We have already signed some kind of stupid agreement regarding farming. We are one if 12 countries that have agreed to stop traditional farming. Did any of you vote for this? Bendover, is doing EVERYTHING by executive order, bypassing congress. That means we have NO REPRESENTATION!!

[@patriciapierce9781]

The people can take the government and they know it!!

[@AxelFoleyDetroitLions]

People already have it through democracy.

[@christypriest30]

You have to remember that a large number of the us population are retired military veterans or discharged military

[@edwardbrady1698]

Never any lockdown in my state. We got rid of kings and queens 250 years ago

[@OkiePeg411]

I doubt we will tolerate another lockdown. If citizens fall for that again, we deserve to be prisoners.

[@lenwinston6246]

One big thing is, ex military will be on the citizens side. And most of the weapons are here. It’ll be hard but possible for the people to take over bases and use those weapons to help fight the military. And with the ex military on the people’s side, we’ll also have the expertise on how to use them.

[@nemomarcus5784]

What needs to be considered is that many U.S. citizens are veterans who have been trained in strategies and every aspect of the military including highly specialized and top secret areas.

[@DJVIIIMan]

You have to realize that if the government turned on its people, a lot of the military units would join the insurgency and would take equipment and their knowledge with them.

[@ZootSuitJZ]

The Revolutionary War in America was fought by only 3% of the population. In today's numbers, that would be nearly 10 million people, versus only 900K military personnel... so the military would be outnumbered by nearly 11 to 1. Then, you have to take into account that nearly 90% of the military would side with the citizens. Making the remaining military outnumbered nearly 100 to 1. The citizens would easily win, beyond any shadow of a doubt.

[@teemarie5478]

They did not “lock us down” period. In all the towns in my southern state no one stayed home, Maybe the older frail people 😂

[@JoeKier7]

Amazing how quickly this video went from "citizens vs military" to "insurgents vs military". The families of the soldiers are part of the "armed citizens". Soldiers turning on the civilians is a low probability event due to this and to knowing the difference between legal and illegal orders, according to multiple studies done by the military. Resupply for the non-military is something to keep in mind, but the civilian guns use the same ammo as the military guns.

[@PyroMancer2k]

The issue is the insurgency aspect of the war. Look at Vietnam why you had the US vs a small time country. Also I have to laugh at the thought they could shut down arms supplies because much like the war on drugs there are tons of historical examples of the government's inability to prevent a black market. Plus there are plenty of examples of US home grown terrorist using common materials to wreak massive havoc. Another issue with the Citizens provide the military with their supplies and not the other way around. The amount of food/oil/etc that the military would need to keep functioning is high, the US economy fueled by citizens with what helps keep those supplies flowing to overseas bases. Course the same is true for citizens as food supplies into cities need to be constant and probably clear out store shelves as people begin to horde. Another way to look at it is could the US Military Occupy Europe? Because the US is basically about the same size as Europe and you'd need troops in every city and such to maintain control. Because as pointed out crushing an enemy military is easy for the US. It's the boots on the ground action and city fighting that it struggles with. Overall though an interesting thought experiment it would never happen as logistical issues were glossed over in the video so to was the idea that everyone would go to one side or the other. Depending on what the issue was that cause the divide it's unlike all would side with one or the other. There would probably be a lot of Military that would join with the Civilians, heck what about the National Guard which are often called weekend warrior as they are basically part time military. If they side with the Civilians that would give a huge benefit to that side. If the go with the Military they are trained for policing action to put down riots and such so it would bolster the military implementing martial law. As for those concerned with family members fighting each other they might give pause I just have to say look at the civil war. You had a lot of families taking up arms on the opposite side so clearly people got no issue with it if they feel their cause is good enough. The civil war I think is a much more likely setup as some civilians and military would take one side or the other. But that has way to many variables as it depends on the issue to know where the divide would be. As for the spark I think it's more likely the Military that would start it rather than the Civilians just tearing up their cities one day. After all who are they attacking there is no military forces in most cities to begin with. Basically I see something like the movie The Siege playing out where some threat to public safety arises and the military implements martial law. At first people think it's going to be short and go along with it but then as time goes on and the military measures get more extreme the public turns against them.

[@SilvanaDil]

The video's praise of Russian anti-air defenses didn't age well.

[@thehousealwayswins8398]

Yep. Their research probably only went so far as to look at the data provided by the Russians themselves. As we know now, the Russians tend to exaggerate their prowess in everything.

[@paulyguitary7651]

A lot of these old military videos referencing Russia didn’t age well.

[@cysulzer3703]

There are 120.5 guns per 100 people in the United States. This doesn't include the ones made with 80 percent lowers or handed down.

[@cysulzer3703]

Edit the US government is prohibited by law to use the military against the citizens of the US

[@laurenfazenbaker9777]

The whole premise of this is the US military fighting a small insurgency. What they fail to mention is, if an insurgency rose up, it would be because enough people got organized because they saw a corrupt system and government and decided to take action because the system is broken, and their goal would be a Constitutional reset. The actors would be the bold ones, but if that many people are spurned to action, then public sentiment in silent support will probably be very high, though they don't want to disrupt their lives to take action. The second the US military starts taking out the insurgency...killing American citizens, they have a problem because the silent supporters have all become active supporters. Now a nation of no less than 100 million Americans are against the military...most of them armed. Some may not fight directly, but work in the military industrial complex....where the military gets its bombs and bullets. The military supply chain is HERE....in the heart of America.....surrounded by citizens..... You can't bomb without missiles, bombs, or gas. You cant run tanks or APCs with troops into cities without bridges. You can't broadcast pro regime propaganda without electricity or internet. ..... You can't feed your army when private citizens control the farms..... That doesn't even factor in all the people in the military who would refuse to fight a war against American citizens because their own families may be involved in the revolution, and would likely join in. Then there are the millions of combat capable veterans who are discharged, know the weapons, tactics, and logistics of the ENTIRE US military...many of those from various special forces like Navy Seal, Green Beret, Marine Recon, Delta Force...all of whom know how to conduct operations and teach people how to fight an asymmetrical war. The US military would get it's ass kicked by American citizens if such a crazy thought experiment became real. Let's hope it never does.

[@kevinwallis2194]

As for the lack of ammo, keep in mind that nato rounds are or can be used by both sides so ammo left behind can be picked up and used.

[@gwolfstahl]

Tbh, I'm betting that one of the 1st targets would be a government armory &/or a munitions depot.

[@smallsparry]

Listen...I have 2 family members in the military....NO WAY they would turn on their family and friends and neighbors...they will turn on the Govt first. Bottom line, we will fight the Gov before we fight each other.💯💯💯

[@TNTDynomite-n4b]

10000000000000%

[@SilvanaDil]

The issue for insurgents wouldn't be resupply of guns, but of ammo.

[@lennychorn147]

Nah, that's the easy part. You just capture ammunition from the enemy.

[@jasonburrow4551]

My guns all use the same ammo that they did when I was a grunt in the army

[@spuds416]

Most Ammo is made by Civilian companies

[@thetranya3589]

@@jasonburrow4551 So, it’s probably just a coincidence that the dems are always demonizing the AR15…

[@victorwaddell6530]

Some people save their spent brass and own reloading gear and components .

[@armedpreacher]

People tend to forget that IF (and that’s a very low chance) the military would turn on civilians.. that every single military member has family and friends that live in every corner of the country.. the military combatants would obviously be the target.. but their families and friends would be the first targets. What soldier would want to fight against an enemy that has their whole family at gun point?

[@user-yn9kz7fi1z]

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) signed on June 18, 1878, by President Rutherford B. Hayes which limits the powers of the federal government in the use of federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States.

[@delmccormack7001]

If the citizens take the ports and airfields the military is done.

[@frankscarborough1428]

Most of the military would not want to attack their fellow citizens. And citizens wouldn't want to go against what they consider their military. This war might continue for a lengthy amount of time.

[@TNTDynomite-n4b]

I think it’s more likely the military will side with the citizens. In America our country isn’t the government it’s the people. There is also probably more guns than the stats show. Constitutional carry in Oklahoma

[@robinbond7878]

Totally agree!

[@OkiePeg411]

Yes there are a lot more guns. Lots of gun shows every year.

[@aleclemont5500]

A few key thoughts that this video sparked in my head is Planes and drones have to land somewhere, this guy didn’t account for insurgents seizing bases full of vehicles, weapons, aircraft, ammunition, the whole 9 yards, he also didn’t account for desertion and the fact that each individual serviceman has a family… not to mention the fact that 3% of the US population is 9,900,000 and that’s only HALF of the privately owned firearms.

[@mimiv3088]

Our military would not attack it's families and neighbors. Americans have the Constitutional Right to keep guns to stop a government from doing this exact thing this info video is portraying. The major majority of the military would stand with the people. A few crates of cheap Mosin Nagant rifles and you could outfit a small town with plenty of firepower to harass a military. But I will say just one thing. Americans love our country. We would do anything possible to avoid and all out battle against each other. (Unless you start a fight in Texas of course.)😊 🇺🇸

[@Tika10210]

The military wouldnt go against their own people. They fight wars and even give their lives to protect these same people. Its what their incentive to fight is.

[@2nd_amendment_militia]

Watching this while i have my franklin armory m4 out on the table cleaning it lol

[@GrammaNay]

There are also all the hunters out there who reload their own ammo and have stockpiled as many of the supplies as they can due to our current political climate.

[@victorwaddell6530]

That's me . I've been reloading my own ammunition since I left the US Navy in 1995 . I and a friend have set up a reloading facility . 223 , 308 , 9mm , 45 ACP , 40 cal , 10mm Automatic , 7mm Remington Magnum , and 12 gauge shotshells .

[@SaltyRad]

a big factor here is that there a lot of veterans that are no longer in the military that would side with the citizens. they would be able to provide insight into possible operations from their experience and would probably be taking commanding roles since they have that experience.

[@bullpup33]

The military would probably refuse the order to fire on civilians.

[@Rouge256]

The U.S. has so many aircraft carriers that we play basketball games on one

[@rileyfam]

You don't need to resupply, you do what all guerrilla warframe types do, you scavenge what you can, change weapons as needed. Too many factors to consider, but don't write off the citizens, plenty of former military.

[@tonytony6912]

the military and public are friends and family to the core. They would not fight. The political officials would have to instigate this, therefore. The US military would most likely side with the public.... That's a huge factor

[@daricetaylor737]

This scenario will never happen. What you have to understand is if our Government decided for what ever reason to attack it's own citizens by the military....those military personnel are first and foremost American citizens!!! The vast majority of the military would refuse to turn weapons onto their own people, family and friends! The Government is the People and the People are the Government! This is the biggest reason this won't ever happen in reality.

[@StanHalen420]

Ammo may be an issue for some people but my sportsman’s club can make our own ammunition

[@USMC-Goforth]

Yea, down here in South Texas we make our own ammo too.

[@victorwaddell6530]

@@USMC-Goforth I've been reloading my own ammo here in South Carolina since I left the US Navy in 1995 . I was a radar operator and MP . Looking through a radar scope and a rifle scope are very similar . Mathmatics and angles are important .

[@corawilhelm4968]

You have to understand that 90% of our military wouldn't fight the American Citizens

[@joshua6839]

What you have to remember is a lot of us is former military and every one we put down we now have their weapons ammo gear armor radio and anything else they had their are about 120 firearms per 100 people in the US

[@buffalobill9958]

It highly depends what the revolution is about. Unlike the UK where the military take an oath to the Queen/King, the US military takes an oath to protect the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. So it's highly likely that a majority of military members will turn on the government if they do something so bad to cause a revolution. Or they claim concietious objector because they're not fighting their own citizens

[@Princess_Celestia_]

Homie, we can literally 3d print guns and make our own ammo. We got a man in Texas running for Congress who's been developing his own .50 caliber varient to the AK-47. We don't need to rely on outside help. America is literally founded on the principle of "if we can't get it, we make it ourselves." For example, Gen Washington melted down church bells to make brass cannons during the revolutionary war.

[@craigmeaders3867]

Not a chance for the military to operate within the US. If the government attempted door to door sweeps, there would be a lot of casualties. There are more hunters in the US in Texas than in the entire US Military. Military members would quit, and people would stop joining… they’d have to enact a draft and that would invariably mean many of the insurgents being ordered to serve… at which point sabotage is a real problem. This would be a slow death. Weapons and ammo, as we learned in Afghanistan, is only limited by the imagination, not necessarily supply.

[@dragunovbushcraft152]

1. There is documentation constraints, that prevent the U.S. Military from attacking civilians. Soldiers would refuse to do this. If for no other reason, to protect THEIR vulnerable families across the country. 2. We couldn't conquer Vietnam, what makes you think they could conquer U.S. Citizens, who are THE most well armed militia, the world has ever seen. 3. A CONSIDERABLE number of citizens are actually former military, this includes Recon Marines, Army Rangers, Navy SEALS, etc. These people would quickly, and efficiently train other citizens in Asymmetrical warfare. Every man, woman, and child would have the knowledge to build IED's, booby traps, and I have PERSONALLY seen an 11 year old GIRL, chew the center out of a 400yd target, with a .243 rifle. No. The U.S. military, could NOT conquer the citizenry, nor would the citizenry be able to subdue the military. However, in this sort of "War of attrition", the cost to the military, would CERTAINLY outweigh any benefit it would gain. BTW, I worked for the DoD for 25 years, and I'm privy to things most o you are not. I can assure you..... THIS will NEVER happen.

[@rcrocker02]

260 million citizens are adults in the United States. With enough firepower available to arm every single one of them. Not to mention creative warfare like using Molotov cocktails. And getting creative about taking out the vehicles and heavy weapons. As the United States veteran I can honestly say even if I thought that the civilians were wrong, and even if I agreed with the orders and decided to follow them. I don't think there would be much hope in winning against the civilian population. That said a very large majority of our military would probably refuse to take action against the civilians. They took an oath to uphold the Constitution against all enemies, (and here's the key words) both foreign and domestic. Therefore if turning on our own citizens was against the Constitution, that would make the government the enemy and the military would be obligated to fight against them instead. Only the ignorant who sided with the government would follow those orders, and the rest of the military would actually join the citizens. Making every attempt to defend them and fight alongside them. Now if it was just a group of civilians, they would not only have an issue with the military but they would have an issue with the rest of the citizens as well and they would be overwhelmed very very quickly.

[@teemarie5478]

The newest suspected serial killer had over 200 weapons in his home🤦🏻‍♀️😂

[@hikarushindo9131]

The biggest issue is some will fight for the US Government based on principle ideal's, political idea's, others for religious Idea's, constitutional ideal's or even just for their own self or family. Most people in the US have seen Karen's and Ken's. Some may even be veterans.

[@58rsm]

Ever consider how many ex-military people there are? MILLIONS that have the same training as active duty. There will also be a huge section of active duty that would refuse to fight against another American.

[@protonneutron9046]

Not a problem. For example air force planes need their basses to operate from. ALL such bases could EASILY be taken over with just local citizens. No base has enough defenses to hold back 20,000 armed people storming it. That would immediately neutralize the USAF. Navy is not a real problem as they couldn't land against a hostile shore. Army simply doesn't have enough numbers to stand against even 1% (3 million) of the population taking up arms..

[@_dreamz]

The difference between our military and others is they majority wouldn't turn on citizens.

[@belindagriffin5868]

Don’t forget the millions of military veterans who know tactics and have actually been in wars and don’t forget we could raid military installations in different states and get the equipment and supplies including air power.

[@jimclayson]

Let's see... Q: Could the US citizens fight off the US military? A: Yes. The US military doesn't have anywhere NEAR the numbers to hold significant ground against the US citizenry. Even just ex-military in the general population outnumber the active military by multiples... and US citizens tend to be far better armed than most populations. Figuring in attrition (who's feeding and rearming the military?), there's no chance the US military would win.

[@OkiePeg411]

The US government may have the weapons but it takes PEOPLE to man the weapons. How many of our US military members would kill US citizens?

[@Swordlordvi]

I think what needs to be remembered is that war veterans or the Navy or any of that are trained to be fearless. The common gun owner or citizen wouldn't have that fearlessness.

[@jamesgoesoff1992]

the other problem is the tax base that pays for ammo, fuel, food, and pay. if the people cut off the money then the military comes to a grinding halt.

[@justintodd7244]

Yeah ex marine here I've they attempted to use the military on the citizens maybe 10% would cooperate with that order and everyone else would rebel plus most of the civilian market is better gear than I was issued

[@ammccc]

Not to mention there’s some of us out here with access to Anarchy cookbooks. Which are literally thousands of instructions and recipes to build, utilize, and maintain all types of explosives and make shift missiles.. If there was a real reason for someone to put that to use besides terrorists, I’m convinced it’d have to be this situation above. Power to the people and I love our country 🇺🇸

[@ammccc]

Not to mention I know every govt has corruption, but I couldn’t even picture the military using excessive force against citizens. Even during Black Lives protests, soldiers were refusing to enforce the “law” on many protesters due to their personal opinions. In the end game America wouldn’t get to that point anytime soon because there’s just too many people like us that would try our best to keep us all united. God bless you all.

[@ammccc]

Also Marshall Law was declared during that time.

[@oxironhorser]

The US govt commissioned studies on this very subject, In all of the studies the longest the govt lasted was 6 months.

[@SkYrImOverMW3]

Biggest fear for the military is one of our special units going rogue. Could probably take out half a city over night.

[@greghamann2099]

Ammunition is key. They don't fire with out it. Stockpile and than its distibution.

[@USMC-Goforth]

US citizens could absolutely defeat the US military. As a veteran, I would encourage anyone who disagrees to understand that the Taliban kicked our ass for 20 years with sandals, turbans & AKs. You have to also consider how many thousands would walk away and refuse to turn their gun on their fellow citizens.

[@AxelFoleyDetroitLions]

Military are Citizens. And Civilians/Military Pay for Infrastructures at the end of the day (via Tax) . Our Military couldn’t destroy infrastructure and fellow citizens.

[@user-cy3ub1fq3o]

1st, we were never in a total shutdown. There were a few states that stayed open. Then, the military would be outnumbered by veterans. The naval forces would have no one to fight as the citizens don't have, nor want, ships. The supply route would be through Canada and Mexico. Believe it, those 2 nations would enjoy the profits selling bullets to Citizens. It is also true, the Air Force would be useless, as the Citizens would not have any planes. Now you are down to tanks. Again useless! The citizens don't have, or want, tanks. That leaves armed hand to hand, street to street, fighting. Being outnumbered by huge odds, the citizens could win in a few weeks. A soldier dies, there is no one replacing them. The citizens can get reinforcements from the next town. Luckily we have a war every 3 1/2 years, to decide who will president. No guns needed, just a vote. We don't like them, they get voted out. Even if we DO like them, they can only be President for 2 elected terms (or 10 years in case of death or impeachment).

[@doylebrockman8225]

There are so many in the military that wouldnt turn on their familys. You must take an oath.

[@990XMUSIK]

One point to say is that a lot of citizens are combat veterans and can go toe to toe in combat tactics with the military, it will not happen but citizens will put up a fight if ever happen.!!!

[@heatherfrye4991]

Yes. I am also a veteran. Our oath of enlistment NEVER ends

[@madogthefirst]

Hard to say how big that military would be if ordered. US force is all volunteer, such an order could get a large number to flip and take the fancy with them.

[@thatbroad5848]

“Will to fight”… I can’t fathom anyone when under attack who doesn’t have a will to fight. That’s damn nuts and an auto Darwin Award.

[@mitchbullock4728]

Yes, the military could cut off supply lines and make it hard for the "insurgents" to re-supply. However, one thing they didn't touch on in this video is the fact that the "insurgents" would, without a doubt, win some battles. When this happened the "insurgents" would then be able to start stock piling their own military grade weapons and equipment. Having obtained these weapons and equipment former soldiers could easily teach the "insurgents" how to use it. One other thing the military would have going against them would be bad PR if their tactics starting causing the death of too many innocent men, women, and children. A lot of citizens already don't trust the government and the more innocent people that died as a result of official military actions, the more citizens you would see either joining, or at the very least helping, the "insurgents".

[@dragunovbushcraft152]

It would be a million soldiers, vs. nearly 100 million armed, angry, and determined people.

[@shane82us]

It would be almost impossible because for one alot of the military would refuse to fight the citizens. Secondly don't forget alot of civilians where also in the military at some point. Alot of veterans and retired military out there not to mentionthe number of military personnel that would defect to the civilian side. Then finally the rules of engagement. The military can not go all out because of casualties.

[@Drash44]

Remember a lot of those military aren't ground troops and a lot of citizens are veterans.

[@Selki933]

That’s the registered guns . Inherited guns are not included in these figures alot of people including little old ladies have there fathers , grandfathers and other inherited guns

[@ryantannar5301]

registered and also self declared on surveys. actually it's probably mostly numbers freely given in surveys seeing as the handful of states that have a registry also tend to have more anti gun residents. I think it's only 3 states with a registry and there is no federal registry.

[@robinbond7878]

Many states don’t have a gun registration.

[@OkiePeg411]

Guns bought in gun shows, too. Then, the guns smuggled through Mexico, the government has no idea how many guns citizens actually have.

[@WilliamtBrown]

The question is not how many American citizens would pick up the rifle...the question is, how many American soldiers will lay them down!?

[@jenniferskorczewski3573]

This household is ready! This country needs to calm down! Seriously!

[@patrioticz2858]

It doesn't include how many us Military members would leave the military to fight for the people, or how many military members would also give/sell intence and weapons to the people. Also why we have the 2nd Amendment. There is an estimated 300 mil to 500 mil in the hands in law abiding citizens hands

[@susanchavez4778]

I will say that we have several, but you have to have the ammunition, and most don't have enough. And like those below, it would be hard for military to even agree to go against amerian citizens.

[@valerierogers3836]

what many don't know is that young men are being trained for the military from 6 years old by what we call physical education aka P E CLASSES and patriotism is taught from pre k classes through high school

[@robinbond7878]

Not anymore. I’m guessing you don’t have any kids in school. Kids in school nowadays are being taught that our founding fathers were all rich, white, racist slave owners. That we stole all of our land and white people are to apologize for being white and should be totally ashamed of it. We all come out of the womb racist!

[@davidvines6498]

The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 limits the Federal Government from policing Domestic Disturbance. That alone, although and Act of Congress which is not a part of the US Contitution, prevents the US Military from deploying in the US. Although if asked, like for a Flyover at a Sporting Event, the Air Force will gladly provide the Service. Free of Charge to the Sporting Event. The Time and Fuel and any other costs are considered part of the Training all Pilots must take yearly. And those Fly Overs are pretty neat as the Plane or Planes will appear overhead at precisely the last Note of the Star Spangled Banner

[@patrioticz2858]

3:27 Russia has one that can even work right, China has one that is a modified Soviet on and they have two mor each slightly bigger then the next but still way smaller then the US carriers

[@johnkempenich6854]

estimated actual combat troops in the usa that are active about 433,000 for all of the us ,the navy even less they are spread to thin they would be over run if there were large groups all over and the military wouldnt all want to fight

[@terrycarter1137]

there's several factors to consider in a military versus armed US citizens, odds are the military would have some form of relatives in a certain area(would you shoot a family member), two yes there's certain firearms the US military doesn't have in civilian hands, three, some citizens know about booby traps and how to use them.

[@TheRemixstress]

Not true.... I have many people in my family that's in military, and they ALL will tell you that they took a solemn oath to protect The Constitution & the USA from *ALL threats FOREIGN & DOMESTIC.* If they had to fight against citizens that has turned domestic terrorist, they would DEFINITELY wipe them out with no problem.✅

[@TheRemixstress]

And yes, if my family member has turned into a domestic terrorist... I most definitely could give them the Ashlii Babbitt special.✅✅

[@OkiePeg411]

State militias (state national guard) will have all the equipment needed. But the states with the most civilian owned weapons will do better. Many dem states have unarmed their citizens. Many people don't even know how to fire one much less load one. But 2A states with armed trained citizens, ones that have stock piles of weapons and ammo will break off from the commie states. I know for sure Texas and Oklahoma will lead the way.