Britain faces ‘electoral phenomenon’

Britain faces ‘electoral phenomenon’ | How To Win An Election

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“We don't actually give young people a very good deal in this country.”
Peter Mandelson anticipates there could be an “electoral phenomenon” amongst young people, and Polly Mackenzie makes a radical proposal for extending the franchise.
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@hosephanerothe1440 3 ай бұрын

We need proportional represenatation in the Country for Westminster elections, make every vote count.

@AB-zl4nh 3 ай бұрын

Right To Vote at 16, Automatic Voter Registration and Fair (PR) Voting.

@jibjub2121 3 ай бұрын

100%.

@BUFUmic 3 ай бұрын

Neither the Tories or Labour will support PR as they both benefit from it being the two largest parties, although Labour somewhat less often.

@thetragicyouth 3 ай бұрын

If you're old enough to pay tax, you're old enough to vote on how that tax is spent.

@dogglebird4430 3 ай бұрын

How many under 18s pay income tax?

@George-bi8sj 3 ай бұрын

Even those under 18 who pay tax would have paid so little it's irrelevant. I can't believe I was allowed to vote at 18.

@pault1289 3 ай бұрын

Children pay tax on their purchases - several types of food, activities, equipment for hobbies, toys, etc. and thinking about my own kid's expenditures this forms a large part of their spending.

@dogglebird4430 3 ай бұрын

@@pault1289 "Children pay tax on their purchases" - So do tourists in the UK, so should they have a vote as well if their holidays coincide with an election? As for children, would you also include, say, five-year-olds? Sorry, but that's a daft argument. We have to limit voting to responsible adults who are full participating citizens.

@drg111yt 3 ай бұрын

@@pault1289 Go out to work do they?

@johnoneill2084 3 ай бұрын

A great watch. Glad Polly got more air time this week. Keep up the good work.

@DylanSargesson Ай бұрын

The young people not knowing anything except the Tories is so true. I'm currently doing a politics Masters Degree in (Public Administration and Public Policy), and yet there hasn't been a general election where I was eligible to vote yet, the last time Labour was in No. 10, I was 7yrs old.

@johngray7791 3 ай бұрын

The uni party are in a state of panic because George Galloway will be back in parliament 😂

@user-hs1zh1se4c 3 ай бұрын

You vote 16 in scotland for scottish government its very much the norm to vote at 16

@pedazodetorpedo 3 ай бұрын

Which was a cynical ploy by the SNP to garner more votes

@modelsfirst 3 ай бұрын

The Audio is far too low.

@hosephanerothe1440 3 ай бұрын

I concur, I can barely hear Mandelson. Swings and roundabouts?

@mikedebruyn 3 ай бұрын

I agree, they have this problem quite often though so i doubt they are paying attention to these comments about it .

@TechnikMeister2 3 ай бұрын

What the British commentators need to understand is that governments are voted out, not oppositions voted in. As one fruity Australian politician once said, "a dead drovers dog could have won that election." Once people adopt the attitude that "anything would be better than this lot", then it's over.

@screamboy8 3 ай бұрын

Just remember, the youth of today are the adults of tomorrow. What goes around comes around 🤔

@dogglebird4430 3 ай бұрын

True - but they are youths today - so they don't get to vote today.

@screamboy8 3 ай бұрын

@@dogglebird4430 I disagree. It's wrong that you can die for your country at 16, but you can't vote ? 🤷‍♂

@keighlancoe5933 3 ай бұрын

@@dogglebird4430 it really is for the best. I would have voted for Communists or the BNP when I was 16 'just for a laugh.'

@SlowhandGreg 3 ай бұрын

@keighlancoe5933 no you wouldn't you have stayed in bed. With education to 18 its vital government make policies for the youth of today rather than focus on pensioners and home owners

@keighlancoe5933 3 ай бұрын

@SlowhandGreg I was quite politically active from 15 onwards. I won't with which party, let's just leave it at that. I joined the army when I was 18 as well, though I didn't pass out of phase one. So, no, I wasn't your run of the mill teenager.

@johnpotts8308 3 ай бұрын

I disagree with Daniel on saying that it would be problematic giving young people the vote because it would shift power towards net beneficiaries of government spending and away from net contributors. Given how much the system is already weighted towards older voters (yes, it's because they vote but also probably because most MPs are older themselves), perhaps some rebalancing is in order. It might mean reforms of the pension system became possible!

@SlowhandGreg 3 ай бұрын

Hopefully 16+ will offset the crumbly vote, pensioners also have near zero skin in the economy. Constantly pandering to home owning boomers is a prime reason were in an economic pickle

@AB-zl4nh 3 ай бұрын

A Right To Vote at 16, Automatic Voter Registration and Fair (PR) Voting system would get more young people to vote. A Right To Vote at 16 grants young people a stake in shaping their future, fostering early civic engagement and political awareness. Automatic voter registration streamlines the voting process, enhancing accessibility and participation, particularly among youth who may face barriers to registration. Implementing a fair (PR) voting system ensures that every vote counts, motivating young people to engage as they see their preferences accurately represented in government.

@hedgehog5ful 3 ай бұрын

I recall that civil servants spoke well of Peter Mandelson too.

@curiositycloset2359 3 ай бұрын

Well, if the civil service don't like you, you're probably doing your job.

@BUFUmic 3 ай бұрын

So did Epstein as well, even had him over for his birthday in 2007, are we still judging people by the company they keep btw? Asking for Corbyn....

@pault1289 3 ай бұрын

Great listed as always, I'm looking forward to hearing more from all three of the panel as the Election nears.

@pablodelnorte9746 3 ай бұрын

Chorley has a great face for radio.

@stephensipe5405 3 ай бұрын

Is it time to question UK governance? I previously posted the UK should change to a Federal government of 8 States. I see: London, Cornwall South Shore, Wales, England, East England, North England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Dependency Union (Isle of Man and Colonies). Each State would have a Governor and Legislative. The Governor with Legislature confirmation will appoint 1 Senator to represent State government interests. This Senator could be changed each time a State changes its Governor. Governors can only serve 2 terms of 4 years each term. The people will elect 2 Senators to represent their interests. Terms will last 6 years, with a 3 term limit. The 1ST Senator will be elected upon on adoption of this governance. The 2ND Senator will be elected 3 years later. Senators with officially displace the House Of Lords. The House Of Lords will not be abolished. It will be transformed into a HOF for people giving extraordinary value to the UK. Current landed Lords will be replace upon death with persons nominated by the Crown or PM, but confirmed by Parliament. Parliamentarian Representatives will be allocated to States by population census every 10 years. Parliamentarians will be limited to 9 terms of 2 years. Parliament will create an Executive by internal vote. The Executive will appoint Ministers with confirmation of the Senate. Parliament will have sole control of taxes and spending taxes. The Senators will ratify all treaties, appointments to the executive, and appointments to the courts. They will also approve all changes to the Constitution. Some votes of the Senate would be majority decisions, while other votes will require supermajorities. This form of government better represents people’s will via their elected Representatives at all levels of governance.

@jezlawrence720 3 ай бұрын

The one thing I do not want is more layers of politicians between us and the national government. We really do not need more politicians or more bureaucracy. The country is very small. We should not need that level of fragmentation, we shouldn't really even need devolution and the fact we do is just evidence of the failure of our vested interests to govern for all effectively. I would rather just see a more representative way of voting in the national elections, and MPs to have a role in their local councils so they can't hide behind "that's a local government issue". Speaking as a proud Yorkshireman... No more devolution, no more layers of politicians. I want to vote for the people who manage my local area and represent me nationally. Regional assemblies are just going to add more talking shops and provide more ways for vested interests to keep a lock on power.

@stephensipe5405 3 ай бұрын

@@jezlawrence720 The fact you cannot comprehend what I posted is exactly what you say you want is sad. You have many unelected people in positions of authority which can mean power in the UK. You say you want less layers. Are MPs going to get your streets paved? Is a local Council capable of writing a treaty with a foreign nation? What level of government are you going to lessen? Additionally, many people in the UK are looking for more local independence from Parliament control. Using the Australian Constitution as a model, States would have authority Parliament could not usurp.

@jezlawrence720 3 ай бұрын

I would like to keep our local authority system at the level it is, and ensure our existing national representatives have an accountability role in that. Much more local than adding a tier at regional level to filter things through. I comprehend what you're saying but you didn't include the actual locality element, so you are just saying regional power + national senate. That's too far removed from each town and village and leaves a big gap. I think I would be ok with current local authority set up, with national MP(s) providing a local "second chamber" and a voice at the national house (ie the commons), with the national 2nd chamber being something you can be appointed to if nominated by a member of the commons, seconded by their local second chamber, and then only if you resign from membership of any political party, ensuring we dont get tribalists in there. But what I do not want is a third layer of elected official. Two layers is more than enough. Similarly I want no more directly elected people to run services. PCCs are nakedly a politicisation of the police, regional mayors are just the govts way of abdicating responsibility and having somewhere to dump blame, and it all fails to learn the lessons of the American system where in non-major urban centers, dynastic locks and local nepotism enshrines corruption in a million different ways whilst pretending that because it involves voting it must be pure and good, which is a con.

@stephensipe5405 3 ай бұрын

@@jezlawrence720 You clearly do NOT comprehend the realities of the US system. Only 1 City in the US was allowed by a State government to grow beyond 1 County’s borders. This was New York City which incorporated 5 Counties. However, over time, State governments have cut down the power of New York State and also New York City. This has benefited all Americans. US Cities greater than 250,000 people are almost all single party run, by Democrats. They are corrupt political institutions. The areas around Cities are usually Suburbs. These are the communities where most citizens live in a middle class lifestyle. Most communities have changes in political Parties in cycles which minimizes corruption. Rural areas usually have 1 Party, Republican governance. These areas are very transparent, so there is limited corruption determined mostly by local personalities not political machines like in a City. In the UK, with States, London is destined to absorb and control all of England. Nothing would push Independence movements faster than the Mayor of London being the defacto PM. This future is partly why my idea is so timely.

@georgesdelatour 3 ай бұрын

@@jezlawrence720 You want to Balkanise England. I want an English Parliament.

@georgesdelatour 3 ай бұрын

In online discussions, you’ll often find someone say, “… but the young are different. They’re more 1) worried about climate change, or 2) in favour of trans rights, or 3) in favour of the EU, or 4) in favour of Scottish independence, or 5) in favour of looser drug laws.” And so on. In every example I’ve come across, the default opinions of the young appear to be in perfect alignment with the default opinions of the people who teach the young. I admit we’re all making a lot of assumptions here. Do the young really believe what they tell pollsters, or is there some social desirability bias distorting the data, for instance? I suspect the young care far more what others think about them than the old do; so they may feel more pressure to dissimulate. Still, I can’t think of a single issue where the young loudly and conspicuously dissent from the opinions of those older people who teach them. In which case, it looks like we’re back in the world of Ignatius of Loyola and the Jesuits insisting that they could control the beliefs of adults by controlling those of the young. Which makes the apparent, declared opinions of the young far less of a recommendation in a debate.

@greghyde6668 3 ай бұрын

Well said re: the voting age, Poĺly.

@davidjohns4745 3 ай бұрын

He he He said young and “educated”.

@nadyayurukova 3 ай бұрын

If it's going to be a science backed decision, then have in mind that there's a reason car rental companies make drivers under 26 to pay more. I can't believe I was allowed to vote at 18 as well.

@jonathangammond3019 3 ай бұрын

Historically, the franchise was extended to more and more people who were considered to be 'independent', that is responsible for themselves, so they were considered to be in a position to think about the needs of wider society. It would be a radical change to break with that. Meanwhile, in the case of children under 16 who would cast the vote - the mother or the father - as the secrecy of the ballot is important. In effect Polly's policy temporarily gives some people more votes than others. Sounds a tricky sell.

@Steve-eq8iz 3 ай бұрын

So by that logic the voting age should be somewhere in the late 20's or early 30's these days.

@rgp101 3 ай бұрын

Much of Polly's thinking is completely disjointed. She says British Citizenship should entitle everyone a vote from birth, but a few weeks ago she said British Citizens living abroad should not have the vote. Typical Lib Dem.

@jezlawrence720 3 ай бұрын

I mean... All three parties have that problem. I think you mean typical party policy wonk. Unless you're trying to tell me that the Tories standing on a platform of getting Brexit done whilst simultaneously holding in their heads "and it will be good with no downsides" or labour putting in laws making hate speech all about the perception of the offended isn't disjointed?

@alanfrost4661 3 ай бұрын

Lib Dem ? Are they still around

@jibjub2121 3 ай бұрын

great original jokes there guys well done, very clever

@PaulInPorirua 3 ай бұрын

That's not even halfway disjointed. The point is that if you are to be governed (and taxed, and all that), you should have a say in who governs you. British citizens living in Spain are in a different country, and are affected much less by the outcome of a UK election. It's perfectly rational to hold this position.

@Simon-zb6fp 3 ай бұрын

I think giving votes to the unborn would have a significant impact on the abortion debate

@pedazodetorpedo 3 ай бұрын

Pensioners are absolutely not dependents. Very few people live solely on the State Pension but even if they did, nobody would suggest that young adults on Universal Credit should not vote. Pensioners have accumulated assets and live on those assets, whilst still paying tax!

@mrpenguin815 3 ай бұрын

In practice, the votes of small children would be controlled by their parents. I don't think that parents of young children should get more votes than anyone else.

@SlowhandGreg 3 ай бұрын

16+ is reasonable given it would push more policies for younger voters the workforce of tomorrow

@georgesdelatour 3 ай бұрын

@@SlowhandGreg Would it increase pressure to legalise Marijuana?

@SlowhandGreg 3 ай бұрын

@@georgesdelatour would be a good move you could tax it

@ComedyJakob 2 ай бұрын

When I hear people start talking about giving 10 year olds the vote I just start reaching for the MAGA hat despite my better judgment

@DylanSargesson Ай бұрын

I agree with Polly that 18 is an arbitrary age to give the right to vote. I can't support the idea of parents having a proxy vote for their children though - that seems undemocratic in giving some people more voting power purely because they've chosen to have children (which seems even more icky when you think that different social groups have different fertility rates). I think votes at 16, or the school leaving age, is a better choice.

@dougtsax 3 ай бұрын

Please make it louder.

@alanfrost4661 3 ай бұрын

Make sure of voting id so Mustafacrap and Ngobalot dont get 5 votes each like last tlme and reform postal voting because Ali dead grandmother voted 5 times for liebour

@drg111yt 3 ай бұрын

Members of the metropolitan chattering classes 👎

@jeffturner2102 3 ай бұрын

If none of these people ask for a ceasefire in Israel here! Then I have absolutely no respect for them! There all no Gd! I noticed on BBC TV they didn't even mention George Galloway running for Rochdale seat /MP. How biased they are.

@Muzakman37 3 ай бұрын

People are living longer (and can therefore,still vote,perhaps in 1 or even more general elections than they likely did 20/30 years ago) so the electorate is getting older and that cohort of the electorate will have rather differing priorities to those who are younger. It's an issue that will increasingly need to be addressed. There's zero cut-off for anyone no matter how old as to whether they can vote or not, so it may be time to lower the voting age a bit to compensate for that.

@Rtg5637 2 күн бұрын

Nope

@maneshipocrates2264 3 ай бұрын

If an 80+ year old is allowed to vote, then a 16+ year old should be allowed to vote.

@t1n4444 3 ай бұрын

Kindly don't be ridiculous. 16 year old children are still politically naïve. I note the most naïve end up as presenters on this news platform. One might suppose they are the product of a Comprehensive School education. The country's gone to the dogs.

@RedBrigades 3 ай бұрын

Pay tax and get married at 16. Of course 16 year olds should be allowed to vote for the people setting their tax! It's criminal that thet arent allowed.

@danielwebb8402 3 ай бұрын

80 year olds have awareness of teal adult world, have paid material taxes etc

@danielwebb8402 3 ай бұрын

@Codheadd Agree. So 21 year olds at uni who having yet paid say 10k in income tax throughout their lifetime shouldn't be allowed to vote but 17 year olds working full time who have can vote.

@annfraser2441 3 ай бұрын

This 83 Year old is still working and paying tax!