British Rail Scotrail-Glasgow Queen Street 1989

As a follow on from views at Glasgow Central here are some shots at Glasgow's other terminal station, Queen Steet. We see class 101 & 107 DMUs along with class 47 push-pull stock and an HST. If you liked the video please subscribe to my channel, there are lots more transport & quirky vids to upload!

[@jefbazan8458]

The sound that HST makes in the tunnel! 😍😍😍

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Some nice Valenta thrash!.....

[@davidmathie8360]

Those were the days .Proper locomotives and the iconic HST. Spent many a day at Queen St and central .Great memories

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

My pleasure! In these days it was an interesting ststion to hang around at.

[@jvgreendarmok]

Weird seeing the tunnels without the Buchanan Galleries looming over them! :O

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

I haven't been there since the 1990s so haven't seen what monstrosity they have built over the station but i can imagine.....

[@grah84mck]

@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus to be fair the 'monstrosity' as you put it adds to the station. This footage shows how horrible and run down queen street was.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

@@grah84mck I haven't been since the mid 1990s but BR & now Network Rail seem to like building over stations and enclosing them tube staion style! Wether that's the case here i don't know but the old station was a light and airy sort of station as was Liverpool Street but most of that is under a building now.....

[@craigsibley8161]

👍👍👍 Great nostalgia trip... Gotta love the sound of those Paxman diesels revving up in the HSTs

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Yes, the HST's sounded great with Valanta power...... Funny to think years later they are working off Queen Street again.....

[@leonblittle226]

43003 and 43019 turning up must have been an XC working from the west country and with a loaned set from Laira too. 003 ironically now still works for Scotrail after most of it's life on Western Region and 019 was destroyed in the ufton nervet collision.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

The HST's were on extension at the start, and end, of their main days duty. They became a commuter train for a while, BR's way of making erxpensive assets work for their keep.....

[@30453trains]

Lovely pictures of Queen Street as it used to be- I love the 47/7 push-pull sets.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Thank you. I do have more shots of Q St plus loco hauled/push-pull action at Perth which i'll get around to uploading at some point.

[@30453trains]

Soi Buakhao cool! Will look forward to it

[@dvidclapperton]

It's not really an express service line now. The trains on the route have to stop at either Croy (sometimes Bishopbriggs and Lenzie too) or at Polmont and Linlithgow. It means sadly you won't see electric loco hauled trains on the route. And also the 156's and 158's replacing the mark 1 DMU's means there is a carriage per train less in service than there used to be. Why did Scotrail order the 150's 156's and 158's with 2 carriages instead of 3?

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Because unlike today when there's a bottomless pit of money to throw at the "privitised" railway BR was starved of cash + had only yearly settlements from the Treasury, so money was tight and they brought only what could be afforded. In the main BR did its best to keep what was left of the network after Beeching intact, if if routes were rationalised at least they survived and could by restored to glory-just look at the line out of Marylebone now to the early 1980s!

[@dvidclapperton]

+Soi Buakhao The original Waverley line was doing well and making a profit (not a big loss) and should never have closed down in 1969. The bus service that replaced it was far too long winded journey and was an inadequate replacement. After 6th January 1969, you could not book a journey from anywhere on the old Waverley line travelling north (not going via Carlisle) that involved getting a train from Edinburgh on the same ticket i.e. an integrated bus and rail ticket. You had to start your journey by train and you had to go via Carlisle station to Galashiels (but no further north) to travel on the old Waverley line with a rail ticket. It was a total inconvenience. Hopefully all the lines that were making a profit that closed will re-open again.

[@markwilson8002]

Wow, just need a time machine...yet another great video.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Yes, it was great back then, lots of locos and old DMU's. But at least the HST's are making a comeback, maybe a good reason for a trip to Scotland next summer, plus i need to visit a few Wetherspoons to add to my visits book....

[@caileanshields4545]

Fantastic vid. :) Worth noting that the power cars on that HST are 43003 (now part of the ScotRail fleet) & 43019 (written off in the fatal Ufton Nervet accident in November 2004).

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Yes, three power cars were written off but i had managed to video the whole fleet of 197 power cars before anything happened to them!

[@deliabartlett3076]

Funny, but with the short distance DMUs, and the 47 locos, this reminds me very much of the look and sound of Hua Lamphong Station in Bangkok, when I visited it back in late 2018. Maybe in years to come Bangkok will also see the spread of electrification and gradual improvement that Queen Street has seen in the last 36 years!

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Interesting comparison, train wise then yes, although HLP had all the long distance trains still in 2018 and was far busier.......

[@saintuk70]

To this day I love the sound of a 47

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Yes, I like 47s thrashing up but there are those that hate them in equal measure as they often turned up in place of booked traction!

[@PerthMRC]

A great video, as well as the staples of 47/7s and DMU was good to see the HST and sleeper. Kept hoping to see the sleeper depart to get a look at the formation. Delighted to read you have more footage, look forward to seeing it

[@s125ish]

PerthMRC wonder if that was fort William portion

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

I pleased you like the vid. I don't have the sleeper deeparting as such as it went quite late at night. I'm sure though i have a shot of the empties i think with a class 26 on the ECS move, i will sort it out and get it up!

[@PerthMRC]

I am not sure whether or not Fort William sleeper services used Queen Street. It may have been the Queen Street to Inverness service. The 47 suggests not a northbound Fort William as I imagine that would have been a 37 back then.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

No, they were not the Fort Bill sleepers but the internal Inverness sleeper. The London to Inverness & Aberdeen sleepers used to be 47s as was this one although the ECS to/from QS normally produced a 26.

[@PerthMRC]

Is amazing to think that in the mid 80s there were internal Sleeper service s between some Scottish cities, Glasgow and Edinburgh to Inverness both via Stirling.

[@jvgreendarmok]

How long was the journey? Long enough for a night's sleep?

[@T770BSL]

Who would have thought that very HST 43003 would be in and out of queen street daily in 2022

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Yes, quite amazing isn't it! And to think 003 was one of the earliest HST's from 1976 as well......

[@AlistairMcLennan]

Soi, thanks for some wonderful footage. I would like to pick your brains if I can, what was the consist of the Glasgow-Inverness Sleeper? I have been searching online with not much success. I want to recreate it on my model railway and can remember seeing this at QS when I was a lad spotting in glasgow in the 80s and 90s.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

One of my Queen Street uploads shows a brief shot of it with a class 26 dead on the buffer stops, I'm not sure how much of the stock you can see.... I seem to recall there was only 1 sleeper coach but it may well have been during the winter service, summer may well have had 2.....

[@fatwalletboy2]

Those poor underpowered DMUs must have been thrashed to get up that Cowlairs incline whereas you can feel the 47s and the jet fighter HSTs had power to spare on that hefty climb.....

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Yes, loco's and HST's have lots of tractive effort but the original DMU's were solid trains and would thrash away quite happily, slower but they got there in the end!

[@Pmjs]

I was based at Waverley. I missed the 47 Push Pulls when we got the 158s.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

I drove a couple on freight, 702 & 711. Saint Cuthbert was a very reliable 47 (words that do not normally go together!) both on the West of Englands and on trainload Freight/EWS.

[@brianmorrison9168]

This looks quite a busy station, but when I checked online Glasgow Queen Street is actually not even in the top 20 of UK stations. My wife and I are looking forward to our visit to Glasgow in May, for a few days. We are now busy trying to work out what to see and do while we are there. We’ll be coming by train from Newcastle, via Edinburgh.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

It's a different station today. It has been rebuilt and built over since i filmed this......

[@brianmorrison9168]

@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Thanks for your reply .. yes, it's a big station now and looks to be a great design. the glass front facing George Square is very impressive.

[@CraigNicol-rm5jf]

@Soi Buakhao would you mind if I used some of your push-pull shots for a video I'm making about the Scottish push-pull tour last February? It's for a section detailing their history. Full credit would be given on screen. Thanks.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Be my guest but just give a link to my KZbin Channel, thanks!

[@CraigNicol-rm5jf]

@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Thanks, and I will!

[@SteamboatWilley]

Meanwhile in 2019 HSTs have returned to Queen Street!

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

I can see i shall have to go back and film so more........

[@junglejamesie]

Only a 7 coach HST? I remember seeing 9 coach (?) sets in platform 7 early in the mornings around 1990, with it's arse end still in the tunnel!

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

A 7 coach could have been a Cross Country set, picking up a working south when it got to Edinburgh. East Coast were 8 coach sets in those days, 9 coach sets didn't arrive until about 10 years or so ago.

[@adamw2911]

@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus This probably answers my question. Believe Kings X consists were always 8 coach with two catering vehicles, although this was changed to one with an extra TS thrown in during about 1985.

[@stevocooldude]

Love the hybrid 107/101. I wonder what the sleeper stock was for as the sleepers to Glasgow from Euston & the West Country went to/from Central and the London to Edinburgh sleeper transferred from Kings Cross to Euston in 1988 (unless it was diverted).

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

The sleeper stock was for the Queen St to Inverness service, an internal Scotrail sleeper.

[@dvidclapperton]

How does a sleeper get into Paddington, Victoria or Waterloo coming down from Scotland if it gets diverted to one of these stations.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Hi David, do you mean how do the Up road sleepers get into other London termini? They could get to Padd via the Willesden Reliefs (the old Low Level Goods) road and down the Con Line to Acton Canal Wharf, pass by Acton Wells Junc, down the bank past Acton Yard, round the Greenford Loop and into Padd. It would need a diesel loco for this move and a pilot driver. Waterloo would be West London Junc, past Kenny O, towards Clapham Junc but vere left towards Waterloo via (probably) Pouparts Junc. Again it would need a diesel loco+pilot man. When they use KX the train tends to come Up Road all the way from Scotland but can go from the WCML via Primrose Hill, Camden Road, branch off right on the spur to the ECML at what was Freight Terminal Junc (but since renamed but i can't remember what to!) and along to Ferme Park. There another loco would be needed in order to reverse the stock and go into the Cross.

[@Pmjs]

There used to be a Night Rider HST from Kings X to Waverley.

[@SteamboatWilley]

@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus There's talk of bringing back an internal sleeper service, so this train could make a return!

[@wapphigh5250]

Is that a DBSO that made up the other end of the 47/7 Push/Pull? Are they Mk3 coaches on that rake? thanks

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Yes, the end coach was a MkII DBSO while the rest were MkIII's......

[@xm3405]

Almost 30 years ago....

[@christopherhulse8385]

I was waiting patiently for 467 to leave........

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

I think it was on the Queen Street to Inverness Sleeper that left quite late which i didn't hang around for!

[@adamw2911]

Was that HST a cross country service? 4 TCs plus buffet bar suggests possibly?

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Yes, they did a sort of fill in move at the start of their diagram to & from Glasgow from Edinburgh, both mornings and evenings.

[@christopherhood9241]

158's displaced 47's on push pull workings. these where then replaced by 170 which intern replaced by emus with electrification. i don't seen any real improvement terms of comfort or journey times since the 47's & mk3's

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Less of an improvement and more like a step back towards cattle truck style board seats from the early days of railways with modern stock......

[@stephenpowell5912]

BACK When it was BR ,since Privatisation the rail Network known as Network rail has become a Joke .prefered the Old Style Locos like the Class 26,27,33,37,40,47,55 locomotives along with Companies like Scotrail or Trans Clyde Running these Classic Diesel locos,Since 1993/94 Foreign companies have taken over British Rail.

[@dvidclapperton]

+Stephen Powell You could not really operate the class 47 locos hauling only 3 carriages every 15 minutes between Waverley and Queen Street when it changed to an every 15 minutes service. And 6 carriages every 15 minutes off peak hauled by the class 47 locos would all only have been half full at best. Every 15 minutes service between Waverley and Queen Street is far better than the old every 30 minutes. The class 170's were not exactly terrible trains that replaced the class 47 loco hauled trains.

[@colshythecomedian]

Some collection of films sir. Thank you.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

My pleasure.....

[@scottishtransportvideos264]

Have you got any videos of trains at dundee in the 1980s

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

No, sadly not......

[@johnnyboy3949]

Where did the HSTs go to from queen street?

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

They headed back to Edinburgh as either a cross country service or an east coast Kings Cross service. Basically, they did a fill in turn for the rush hour from Edinburgh to Glasgow & back.

[@mister_M.]

At 0:32. Does anyone know y that tunnel on the right hand side is blocked up? And why dont they use it??? Cheers

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

I don't know but at a guess it could have just been a short length tunnel to shunt stock into to, so as to release the engine at the buffer stops?......

[@davidburnsmusic]

@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus There's never been a tunnel there. There used to be a goods yard in the space where the car park was built, and there was a line that went up to where it's bricked up for shunting, but if you look up old maps the line never went further than that.

[@oforid2227]

there's so much oil and grease it's unbelievable 😮😳

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Diesel trains, and class 47's in particular, leaked oil......

[@oforid2227]

@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus so i see 😂😅

[@MrGriser]

Where was the HST going may I ask and also the 158's didn't start running until 17th September 1990.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Hi Mr G, the HST is a WR set, 7 coaches so i suspect it was a Cross Country service. I think it would have come via Edinburgh (from West Country perhaps), ran to Queen Street and then back to Edinburgh and stabled at Craigintinny. In the mornings a couple of HSTs did it in reverse, a quick trip to Queen St before heading south. I have some shots i did here on other days and there were 156s running on the West Highland route but no 158s. I didn't go back to Scotland until 1993 and they were running then although i was chasing the loco hauled workings.

[@keninblack]

From memory, there were a number of HST sets from GLQ. The 09:00 and 17:00 went to Kings Cross. There was also one at 23:00 that went to Waverley calling at the usual stops + Lenzie. There could have been a service at 13:00 also for Kings Cross, but don't quote me on that. On Sundays, I think there was a service either at 09:00 or 10:00 to Kings Cross also. Once electrification of the ECML was complete, services from Glasgow to Kings Cross moved to Central.

[@s125ish]

Funny to think HSTs are coming back this year

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

I do have more footage from QS, taken in the morning and there was more than one working. I guessed they were used Inter-City commuter trains to get the crowds into Glasgow & Edinburgh before heading off south to Kings Cross and probably Cross Country. In BR days stock was used to best advantage to actually carry passengers regardless of what section of BR the stock was allocated to, it was called 'running a railway' !!! Happy days!

[@s125ish]

I have a timetable and there was a service to Scarborough