British Rail Scotrail-More Glasgow Queen Street June 1989

For those of you who requested another vid of Glasgow Queen Street, here is one taken in the morning this time, the usual push-pull 47s & DMUs along with a couple of HSTs and a 26 on the Inverness sleeper ECS move. I hope you enjoy it! If you liked the video please subscribe to my channel, there are lots more transport & quirky vids to upload!

[@AndreA-ke2id]

Original DMU's, the backbone of local rail services for decades. And still hard at work here. Nice to see a hybrid 107/101 unit @12.30.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Yes, these were just everyday scenes of Scotlands railway back then. Although it was near the end. Sprinters had already taken over the West Highland Line services.....

[@caileanshields4545]

1:30 43003, now part of the ScotRail HST Inter7City fleet over 30 years later.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Wow! So it's back in Queen Street again...... amazing..... I hope to visit Scotland next yaer and get some on video.....

[@martinbitter4162]

Never knew the MK3 sleeper was delivered in BR blue. Looks good on them :)

[@AndreiTupolev]

My goodness, that DMU incoming at 0:20, that must be the most premature opening of a door I've seen yet. Still about two coach lengths off the platform.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

There were some crazy passengers about in days past....that's why it was always best to keep well clear of the edge of a platform in those days!

[@ScotSteam47]

Its Glasgow, what do you expect lol.

[@MrVinnyh]

Did like the shot the opening clip of the 107, with carriage door wide open well before the platform, that pouter must have been well frustrated with the 156 replacements!

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Doors were flung open quite early by some passengers, yet life went on as we took responsibility for ourselves more then

[@grah84mck]

@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus yeah flinging doors open eh. Imagine doing that today u can't stand next to a level crossing but people like you r reporting. Ah the good old days

[@dvidclapperton]

Talking about class 156's, I saw 3 coupled together near the end of the clip. Was that the beginning of the end of the class 47 Edinburgh to Glasgow loco hauled service?

[@dvidclapperton]

@@grah84mck You would not have got a refund for a missed connection after jumping off the train (if you did not already fall off it and break your legs and arms that is) and racing to try to catch another train a few platforms away, but missed it by seconds, if both trains were on time.

[@junglejamesie]

@@dvidclapperton The 156s top speed was only 75mph, so they never replaced the 47/DBSOs on Edinburgh to Glasgow. The 158s replaced them on that run beginning around 1990 IIRC. The 6-car 156 was possibly a West Highland service that would split into 4-car (Fort William/Mallaig) and 2-car (Oban) units at Crianlarich (or two 3-car sets having looked closer, also looks like the destination bind on the rear car says Mallaig). I think the trains still do the split thing to this day during the winter timetable.

[@flippop101]

Great video and very much appreciated!

[@russellbenton2987]

Fantastic. Again thanks for posting. You forget how modern and good Mk3s look in Executive Livery . These views of Queen St can never be repeated, not just because most of the stock is gone but because they’ve built the Buchanan Galleries shopping centre over the top of the embankment drastically cutting back the amount of open embankment.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Building over the top of things seems to be the story all over. Liverpool St had daylight at one time but apart from the concourse it's a gloomy place now.

[@roberthill6216]

@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus just like Birmingham New Street, London Euston and London Victoria

[@rikmorley6469]

Great upload many thanks , interesting to see how far the HST 'fouled' the running lines by being do over length for the platforms . Also interesting to see everything running on 'chip fat' diesel with everything clagging all of the time .

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

I'm pleased you like it. I don't think BR were using bio diesel in those days, the clagging is pure diesel fumes, the excess amount due to idling at Queen Street.

[@greenlichtie1570]

@0:21 secs someones a wee bit too eager to get out of the train!! Nice to see the contrast of the 156 with the older DMU's

[@jvgreendarmok]

One-armed Man: "And that's why the trains have electronic doors now!"

[@Georgeasaurus2001]

Nice to hear an old school tram giving full beans up the bank there

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Did you notice there was a 7 coach 7 an 8 coach set. One i assume for the ECML and the other Cross Country. I always liked hearing the Valentas powering away especially on full bore! One of BRs greatest achievments is the 125. And just like the A4s they are going to run in Scotland in their twilight years!

[@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329]

Might have guessed mate one of the scotrail class 47s is at the seven valley railway one of these is 47712 lady Diana Spencer

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Quite a survivor that one. I've had many a trip behind her on the West of England's back in the early 90s, nice to know she's still around!

[@gftyhify]

With the exception of the Class 156 and as of 2019 the intercity 125 HSTs none of the trains in this video are still in use. Also thank good queen street has now extended the platforms to accommodate longer trains

[@Sim0nTrains]

Really enjoyed watching this very different locomotives and units back then but I wonder if it was a nightmare for those HSTs to be terminated with the powercar on the points! wonder where the HSTs travelled from to Glasgow Queen Street and was their turnarounds quick?

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

I'm pleased you like the vid. And yes, the HSTs didn't sit for very long, about 10 mins approx if i remember correctly. Mainly because the were sitting out the end of the platform and blocking several roads at once so there was a need to get them on their way again quickly. So having HSTs in Queen Street will be nothing new when the Scotrail ones finally start running although of course without the Valenta thrash!

[@davidporter7102]

Most of the HST services that arrived at and started from Queen St in the 80s were working ECML services to and from London Kings Cross. As well as these, there was for a time one cross-country service a day to and from Queen St too; think it went to either Penzance or Plymouth.

[@rogerclark5869]

Great video . The Hst must had blocked the throat of the station.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Yes, i only ever saw them in the far side platforms. And it was always a quick turnaround for that very reason.

[@cedriclynch]

A couple of years later the 47/7s in this video were on the Network SouthEast London Waterloo to Exeter line, some in Network SouthEast livery, some in Post Office red and one (47706) still in Scot Rail colours but with the words removed. The push-pull capability was no longer used, the locomotives were put on the front of the trains.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

I have quite a bit of film of them running on the WoE as well as shots on the Oxfords & Newburys. 704 was rejected by NSE as it needed repairs so Res took it on. Eventually NSE was so 'on the floor' for working locos (the 47/7s had long range fuel tanks that to WoE needed) that they went to Board level to get 704 drafted in for a while and i scored it for haulage out of Salisbury in 1992. The push-pull capability of the original 47/7s was never removed but needed the DBSOs to work with which had been taken on by Inter-City and used on the Liv St-Norwich services. I will get some of them up working on the WoE soon as poss.

[@timhuggins1993]

@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus wow please can you show more film of the Oxford Newbury my local areas. Also how was these outstanding video tapes filmed and transferred to digital ? I'm doing similar with vhsc camcorder tapes now using super VHS TBc from a similar era videos ! Thanks to both of the above poster and yourself .

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Hi Tim, i'm pleased you like the vids. I will upload an Oxford vid today, it was shot in Nov 89 on a foggy day-enjoy! As to my videos, i shot everything on E180 tapes as i had a camera that took full sized tapes. This kept the quality up as i didn't have to copy them from small sized tapes to E180 tapes. When DVD came out i brough a DVD recorder (similar to VHS recorder in use, it just put everything onto disc) and copied across from a video onto blank DVD discs. I also upgraded from a VHS camera to a digital camera which meant i just copied from the camera to a disc to keep the film i had shot. Now i use a Sony hand-held camera that shoots in MP4 and i upload straight to computer (with external hard drive back up), it is a lot smaller & lighter than my kit from back in the 80s! Last year i found an online programme called X Media Recode which i downloaded. This let me convert the DVD discs (which are a VOB file format) into MP4. I have another programme (called Avidemux, brought from ebay for £1.99) which will then combined (and edit as required) the MP4 films as i want. I hope this helps, please let me know if there's any more i can tell you.

[@rickybrett9100]

I have photos of 47/7s going South at Preston and Wigan. I used to take them for granted on the push pulls until sprinters took over then I thought WTF, never thought I would miss 47s until that time

[@MKTTransportVideos]

There's a certain irony that these services are now back in the hands of Mark 3s. Why anyone thought a 158 or 159, good as they are for a DMU, was a fit replacement for intercity coaching stock I don't know. Something nearer to a diesel 442 would've been better, or just a new locomotive design to haul the existing coaching stock.

[@AndreiTupolev]

Imagine the fog there must continually have been in the tunnel, particularly after an HST had just gone up the bank closely followed by a DMU ...

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Yes, it was indeed a smokey old place. Best to keep the windows closed upon departure!!!

[@saintuk70]

@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Yeah, but it was also smokey inside too - there wasn't a smoking ban back then, iirc. As a kid in Glasgow, QS was always the dirty workhorse station - Central (my main station) was cleaner, open and mostly electric running towards Glasgow southside.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

@@saintuk70 Yes, a diesel worked station will always be a lot dirtier than a pure (almost in Glas Cen's case) electric one. Paddington is a lot cleaner now.....but a lot more boring!

[@dvidclapperton]

Bring back Queen Street to London Kings Cross. It's now possible again with the E to G line electrification.

[@Supersonic8984]

Notice the formation of the 156's. 2 x 3 car units albeit that 3 units re marshalled to make a 6 car that can split into 3 cars.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Yes i noticed that at the time. It was so they could split at Crainalrich with one portion for Oban and the other Fort Bil.

[@matthewweller1806]

Great idea if you have not got room for 2x2 units on your model railway!

[@junglejamesie]

@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I think they still do this today in the winter timetable but it's usually split 2-car to Oban and 4-car to FW/Mallaig although I like the idea of a 3-car 156. Things are changing as Scotrail have now got some 153 single car units that they are going to add to a 156 set, giving 3-car units on these routes once again.

[@Supersonic8984]

@@brianwilder5878 West highland services splitting at Crianlarich for Oban andFort William.

[@TheWelshtrainspotter]

Well then I found where francis bourgeois got that old footage from

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

If he's been using my films i hope he gave my channel a plug/link?.....

[@stevocooldude]

There was a sleeper from Glasgow to Inverness? Also, I think the 7 car IC125 would've been for the West Country while the 8 car one would've been for the East Coast to Kings Cross. Also the 6 car 156 heading up the West Highland line. They were due to be replaced with 158s this year, but I don't see that happening now.

[@TreasureEdd]

Yeah there was, I did a freedom of Scotland back then

[@ClydebridgeStation]

The sleepers ended in 1990, as the introduction of 158 sprinters saw the demise of the loco hauled trains, and in reality, there was little demand for the internal sleeper by then.

[@angeltransportpjects]

Any idea where the first HST came into here from? It was a Class 253 seven-trailer rake with 43003 at the Glasgow end and all seven trailers had 'W' numbers ... LONG way away from home for this Western Region HST!

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Probably a Cross Country set, before heading south along the ECML (on a West Country working back towards Laira) it would do a peak hour Glasgow & back to Edinburgh move, making use of the its 'dead time' before it's booked working south. Back in the days of BR when we had a 'whole' railway this type of thing was a common occurrence. There were evening moves tht did it in reverse ie a set had arrived from south & would do a Glasgow & back. ECML sets also did the same.

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Yes, that makes sense, Central having much longer platforms to accomodate the HSTs (and later 91s).

[@laurenceegan6136]

Fly Drive 2020 The WR sets at Queen Street were Newquay services.

[@dvidclapperton]

@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus How could a 47/7 get from Central High Level to Queen Street High Level empty in a very short space of time to then do a peak E to G without going 40+ miles east then 40+ miles west again? Was there a line through Glasgow for trains to get from Queen Street to Central albeit with no passengers on board?

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

@@dvidclapperton Yes, there is a freight+ECS line from Shields Junction (on the line out to Paisley) to Bellgrove, then from there it would take the line to Barnhill, on to Springburn and Cowlairs Junction and drop down the incline to Queen Street HL. Only one reversal needed at Shields Junction so only one cab change for the driver.

[@jvgreendarmok]

I'm guessing that 26 at 9:31 is station piloting those coaches up to the depot?

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Yes, it was just for ECS moves.....

[@AndreiTupolev]

Was the fact that the HSTs were too long for the platforms one reason why EC services were switched to Central? Also, the power car was way outside the signal; how did the driver know that it was off? Did he rely on the guard giving him the tip? Isn't it usually incumbent on the driver to satisfy himself that the signal is clear?

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

They used Central when the 91s took over as Queen Street had no wires! There are provisions in the rule book for trains to start when beyond the starting signal, it's for the driver to check by SPT or perhaps the NRN phone in the cab. The guards signal is just him saying it is safe to move the train, it is down to the driver to check that it has a clear road in order to do so!

[@kevinrussell2718]

@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus The only issue would be to ensure that HST services were turned around in a timely manner, so as not to block the station throat for incoming and outgoing services.

[@jvgreendarmok]

Where is the 107 at 9:00 going? The destination seems to read "HAMILTON" but that can't be right?

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Not all drivers bothered with the blinds, in reality it was probably going to Perth!

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

I don't know if it is a dodgy memory, but I am sure I once caught a Scotrail sleeper from Glasgow to Inverness. Does anyone know if they ran such a route?

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Yes, there was an internal Sleeper. There is a still shot of the stock at Queen Street at the end of my upload here kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmWZgYxnf55jb7M

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Fantastic, I knew in my head I had caught one. Thanks for the prompt reply...

[@MKTTransportVideos]

Why were the HSTs at Queen Street?

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

They did early morning or late evening journeys across from Edinburgh, either before or after work on the East Coast Main Line or Cross Country duties.

[@graemehutchison5145]

Hst's ran into Queen Street back in the 80's as there was a service to and from London Kings Cross and on summer saturdays there was also a service to Scarbourgh which bck in the day was loco hauled then went to HST operation.

[@Meldforever]

It was a Western HST set wasnt it ?

[@dvidclapperton]

The ECML must have still been unelectrified at the time. A shame the electrification meant the end of the London Kings Cross to Queen Street using class 43's, and they all went to Central after Waverley using class 91's instead. But at least Kings Croas to Aberdeen and Inverness using the class 43's still survived as there was still no electrification north of Waverley.

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

@@Meldforever 003, so yes, it would appear so. Interesting that it had been cleared to use the station even though they did not fit in....

[@lesfez1875]

Someone opening the door of the DMU 0 .20, some mad Jock?

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Yes, it seemed a bit early but back then passengers did open doors long before the trains came to a stop!

[@FinlayLavery303]

So much oil on the tracks

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Class 47s were well known for leaking oil and water. Stratford Deport used to leave them running rather than shut them down when stabled as tended to keep them warm and stop them leaking water.