BRITT & KRIZZ KALIKO REACT TO | JORDAN PETERSON DISCUSSES WHETHER MEN OR WOMEN ARE EQUAL

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[@kari2570]

The lady is saying she'd like equality of outcome AND equality of opportunity, and JBP is saying you can't have both; if you have equality of opportunity, which is what western countries are mostly, men and women are naturally going to choose different jobs. No matter how hard you try to push the "nice" science jobs onto young women, most (not all) would still rather do something else.

[@brittreacts]

This is a great way of breaking it down!

[@sammymartin7891]

He's saying that when people have free choice They go with more traditional gender roles

[@MCharlesPainting]

The data proves this, as Jordan keeps noting. Sweden is the most feminist nation on Earth, along with a few others, and women and men are MORE different. If you want men and women to be the same, you need Vietnam and Communist hellholes: but even there, they are fundamentally different, as it's the woman's role to give birth and be a mother, the very thing that most Western feminists are trying to avoid, or claiming to. About 90% of firemen are men (in fact, I think it's often 98% but it depends); 90% of bricklayers and other outside/difficult jobs are men; 90% of active video gamers are men; 90% of tech people are men. This is true in most nations, more so, the Western nations with the most enforced equality of opportunity, and a fair amount of enforced outcome. About 80% of nurses are women; the rest are gay men, almost entirely (and my own experiences indicate as much). 80% of teachers of young children are women; 100% of mothers are women. Likewise, 90% of people that like puzzles are men; 90% of sports people are men; and 90% of people in wars are men. Almost 100% of those in blacksmith jobs are men. About 90% of those in care jobs are women. 80% of people in psychology are women. About 80% of novelists and readers of fiction are women, with a major bias towards first-person POV and romance.

[@SamBourgeois]

@@sammymartin7891 They tend to go with natural preferences, which aren't necessarily limited to traditional gender roles but I'm sure there's a correlation.

[@1993ka24det]

“The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal.” --Aristotle

[@MichaelBrown-o5d]

Jorden P wasn't saying that "it was going in the wrong direction". He was saying that the more that men and women have equal opportunity, they make different choices which results in unequal outcome. Unequal outcome is not necessarily a bad thing. After all, most women don't want to be brick layers even if that have equal opportunity to enter the field of brick laying.

[@jackmacgillicutty8045]

If unequal outcome alone is indicative of discrimination against the minority outcome, the justice system would have to be sexist and the NBA would have to be racist. I think everyone would agree that you'd need more evidence to make those assertions.

[@lisazaccardimeunier8378]

We’re equal but we’re not the same. 2+2 equals 4. 1+3 also equals 4. Women aren’t meant to do everything men can do, we’re meant to do what men can’t do. Our strengths are complimentary. That’s why the traditional family structure is the best environment to create functional humans.

[@laurilewerenz5270]

really? show me sociopath or serial killer who was not raised in a "traditional family "structure got news for you there are very few. Then look at kids raised in non traditional, especially families which people usually demonize & show me the same stats and you'll find no similar outcomes. It has nothing to do with traditional structure it has to do with raising a child with love and clear boundaries.

[@joeday4293]

Yep - too many people say "equality" when what they really mean is "equivalence." Men and women in the United States have been equal for years and years, but we are not and never will be the same thing. We are absolutely not interchangeable.

[@victoradam8685]

Definitely not a collab I was expecting! Love it, and always love JP discussions... His interviews often get a lot of attention but the real gold is in all of the lectures he's posted on his channel. It'd be really fun to see someone react to some of his series, particularly where he's breaking down the psychology of Disney movies - he does The Lion King and Pinocchio in depth it's amazing what you can learn from a Disney movie If you're looking for it. The point he's making regarding Scandinavia is that they have done the most regarding making their society as gender neutral as possible - if you allow men and women to choose freely, they still tend to chose what you would consider "typical" or stereotypical for their gender, surprisingly even more so when extra effort made to avoid the stereotypical gender roles. It's not that Scandinavia is getting "worse" or going backwards, it's that all of the efforts made to make things more equal are not resulting in the equal representation throughout all the sectors that they were hoping for/expecting. Jordan's point is that equality of opportunity is just fine, but based on what we're seeing it's not inherently going to result in equal representation across the Spectrum and in a lot of ways enhances the differences in genders. Equality of outcome it's a very separate but important distinction from equality of opportunity, because equalizing the outcome- making sure there's roughly 50/50 representation across the board- would almost definitely require forcing people into sectors they would not otherwise choose for themselves if given the opportunity; as is being born out in Scandinavia.

[@1776SOL]

She wants equality in high paying government jobs & higher paying white collar office jobs. Not equality in brick & stone masons, appliance installers, furniture movers, high voltage powerline repair, deepsea commercial fishing, port-a-potty cleaner...etc. Being spoiled, sheltered, & self-righteous is a dangerous combination of ignorance.

[@cbogolo]

That lady is the equivalent of me saying there isnt enough white nba players and skill players in the nfl we need to make it equal at any cost

[@The1SSGrant]

Here for this! Britt I love that you’re branching out and checking out new content! JBP reactions are always fun to me because it’s intellectual and creates more conversation on important things :)

[@brittreacts]

Thank you so much for appreciating and allowing me to evolve into new spaces!

[@The1SSGrant]

@ absolutely! I’ve been watching you pretty much since you started and I’m excited to see how you choose to grow your channel! Your content may change, but a lot of us here come for YOU, and what you bring to this community you created! God bless you Britt! 🙏

[@peterburrell007]

Love Jordan, take the time to really hear him, knowledge is liberating.

[@Veritas-TheGoader]

Why is it looked at by women for it to be honorable to work cleaning other people’s houses, but sexist to clean your own home? Why is it equality for a woman to work outside the home as a daycare worker or a teacher, taking care of other people’s kids, but sexist to stay home and raise your own kids?

[@kalanos4660]

Men and women are different; you don't need a degree to spot that. We're also complimentary, which is why we're such a great team. You can't shoehorn men and women into the same role because we were designed for different purposes - both of them equal in value!

[@pudgydaddy]

Bingo, and why is that such a bad thing? It shouldn't be, but we're trying to make it that way.

[@sumairshirazi]

How are they equal in value though ?

[@sumairshirazi]

Womem tend to be more valued than men

[@kalanos4660]

@@sumairshirazi How is a horse equal to a jack rabbit? No direct comparison, because they're not the same. And that's the point.

[@Uriel-Septim.]

Equal is not the same, there is a reason why we used to say that Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus, gender roles was made to fit that and the time we where living in, not to put on over the other, we used to put women on a pedestal and protect them, some how feminism did convince the majority of us, that working 9-5 and paying tax was better for women.

[@iand654456]

In the US the fight for gender equality has driven men into a loneliness epidemic. This "fight"against toxic masculinity and the "patriarchy"has lead to worsening outcomes. Affirmative action has ultimately skewed the system towards females. As JP states the more we try to move towards equality the farther we actually come from it.

[@cbogolo]

No man wants to deal with toxic femininity which is what the left is pushing. A man won't be stick around if he doesn't feel needed

[@RobwLPOC]

"Mr Gotti is it true you're the boss of the gambino crime family? "no, I am a member of the Gotti family and last time I checked MY WIFE IS THE BOSS!" - John Gotti 😂 The Barbarian and Haku are two very famous Tongan wrestlers who are known for being two of THE TOUGHEST men in the history of the pro wrestling business. The ONLY two people those men are afraid of on this planet is their wives!" That tells you all you need to know about the patriarchy LOL

[@caseyhazelman2390]

It’s like race, religion or politics. We should celebrate and respect our differences. ✌🏼❤️🎶

[@mariejustme]

She doesn’t want equality. She wants equity. Equality of outcome, not opportunity.

[@sumairshirazi]

But equality of outcome will never happen

[@jackmacgillicutty8045]

@@sumairshirazi but you can get a lot of inequality on the way. Best to end it. But that means she's out of a job.

[@sumairshirazi]

@@jackmacgillicutty8045 for her to be out of a job the guy has to make alot of money

[@sherrywest134]

Love all Jordan’s interviews, talks, and even classes.

[@remshot1998]

They want more equality for the cool jobs but they never mention equality for ditch diggers or brick layers or prison

[@lenaburns]

I love seeing all my favorite reactors all being friends. ❤️

[@brittreacts]

#reactorsunite 🥰

[@caseyhazelman2390]

Oh, and Britt you are a strong, smart woman and one of the sweetest, most beautiful people on the internet. BTW Krizz is a very handsome, smart dude. ✌🏼❤️🎶

[@natebaldree1937]

Started watching the matt Walsh video, then saw this.

[@brittreacts]

You’re the second person to say this! That algorithm power is real deal!

[@BigNoLove]

Omg same!

[@snozbaries7652]

Walsh is a monster

[@MamawT65]

In our military and police the standards are lowered for the women because the majority of women can’t physically do what men can do!

[@tomwallace3103]

If women have a choice, and even when women don’t have a choice, they won’t be garbage Men, plumbers, roofers, mechanics, surgeons, Dentists, truck drivers etc: and the list goes on. Women do not want work outside. They don’t want to work overtime. And they sure don’t want to sweat for a living. Yes every field has women, but at a very low percentage. All Jordan is saying is women choose fields that attract what women’s interests are. And men do the same.

[@meghanhallen525]

Love this ❤

[@debrafrogner]

I adore Jordan Peterson. Bought 2 of his books for my brother for x-mas.

[@karessalongmire1783]

Love JP❤ his self authoring program is very helpful!

[@CoastalNomad]

Great Reaction...... Nice seeing the 2 of you collaborating..... Maybe an Unpopular Opinion..... I think a "50-50" relationship is where each pardner is happy with the amount of effort (Money/Chores) that each pardner is putting into the relationship...... That might be one pardner provides 100% of the money, and the other does 100% of the chores..... Or it could be each contributes 50% of money and does 50% of the Chores..... Ultimately it needs to be decided by the individuals in THAT relationship..........

[@Cruefest2009]

None of my comments are ever hate btw. You have for the most part very much W opinions, but also seem to be an enjoyable person. I just comment what my brain wants on vids like this lmao

[@logantawhiti55]

How can you have an equal out come of opportunity when you throw in choice into the mix? Choice changes the outcome, it's like going to college, you get 1000 students studying to become doctors and you'll get a 1000 different results and the reason is choice, and the journey that choice takes you down.

[@bryanstoudenmire]

Jordan is correct

[@tjhorne82]

Just finished watching the Matt Walsh one. This has turned out to be a great evening.

[@brittreacts]

I love that for you!

[@relayer5628]

Krizz, Jordan doesn't say it's not "getting better" or that it is going in the "wrong direction". He's saying the outcome is what it is, and it's not what the lefties WANT/expect it to be. The more egalitarian (allowing women more freedom to choose) country's statistics show that the women are choosing even MORE along "traditional" role lines. Ergo, the choices that women make are more driven by their natural disposition, as opposed to choices that society is "forcing" upon them. This is anathema to the left, so, as the woman on the panel shows, it cannot be accepted by them.

[@caseyhazelman2390]

MAGAT thinking

[@caseyhazelman2390]

Hey y’all! Another important reaction! IMHO the US would do well to adopt what is working in other countries as they have adopted our best practices. ✌🏼❤️🎶 This was a terrific debate! Krizz I saw a female psychologist say that women and men’s brains are wired differently. Neither is superior, just different. ✌🏼❤️🎶

[@Gutslinger]

17:47 - Reminds me of that old Bill Burr bit in that Titanic video. Basically saying, "They only want all of the good shxt of being a guy."

[@kathrynstafford7099]

He is a clinical psychologist over 20 years. He was a professor where research is integral in learning the science.

[@tommack9395]

First off, you can provide an environment of equal opportunities but that in itself propagates there will never be equal outcomes (equity). People are interested in what interest them and in such run to the opportunities of interest. Interest does not necessarily reflect talent... although talent does influence interest, See, everyone strives to an interest based upon their talents and physical abilities along with the shear mental aptitude and desire to pursue it - you love to do things you're extremely good at. So it's really near impossible for two people on the planet to be so much alike that they're equal in every aspect.

[@Svensk7119]

Dr. Peterson quotes the Scandinavian statistics quite often. This clip is several years old. Mr. Kalikko, you are quite correct. Dr. Peterson Is the sharpest knife in the social media drawer.

[@wribit]

The thing about Dr. Peterson is that he's also very humble. I've watched a discourse between him and someone else who asked him a question and pointed out a flaw in Peterson's thinking. Jordan, after a bit of time to think, simply said: "I'll have to give that more thought, I might be wrong about this..."

[@daytrippera]

My brother and I were raised to be professionals... My brother works in a global company in the STEM field and I have my own small business as a pastry chef... he makes 4 times the money I make, but he's miserable in his job, and I am happy in mine. The general rule is that women and men want different things. And that's perfectly fine. I don't care about money, just to be happy with my job and do something I like and to be creative. My brother have others priorities, and that's how life is. You can't force equality. I'd be incredible unhappy if I'd be a CEO or something like that.

[@sammymartin7891]

He's saying that when people have free choice They go with more traditional gender roles

[@ChadTheGirlDad]

He’s saying the more bureaucratic forces try to encourage women to go into fields traditionally filled by men and vice versa the more people short themselves willingly into traditional roles in workplace and education. In other words most men don’t wish to become beauticians and women don’t generally rush to become construction workers. Thomas Sowell talks on much of this stuff eloquently

[@AlphaToOmegaXG]

Dr Peterson is saying that the more freedom we get the greater the differences between men and women becomes, because men and women tend to choose different things majors, different jobs, different choices in life. Therefore the outcome is not the same I.e. there is no equality of outcome unless a government forces you by taking away your freedom

[@AmatureAstronomer]

Jordan is a competent clinical psychologist.

[@markwatson450]

I live in a medium size town. The board of selectmen is 4 women and 1 guy. The school superintendent is a woman, The town manager is a woman and the DPW director is a woman. They are all getting 6 digit salaries. I am tired of this whole old argument! PS I am a male.

[@TheSilverJedi]

11:21 I haven’t finished the video yet so you might get to this at some point. What Jordan is saying is that, because there are biological differences between men and women that have an impact in their temperaments and preferences, the more a society fosters freedom of choice and equal opportunities, the more those differences manifest and lead to different choices and outcomes.

[@Veritas-TheGoader]

Home economics is a full time career that in recent times everyone is calling out sick. And the children, personal finances, and health of the family is sacrificed.

[@leiasanchez348]

He didn’t say it’s going in the wrong direction he said that when you let men and women are left alone to make their own decisions when they have the freedom to choose what they want to do, even when the country does all they can to be egalitarian and push for equality, the women choose different jobs and paths as men. They prefer to do things that usually pay less. By choice not because society is forcing them

[@Jeffbambam]

Dr. Peterson in my opinion is a high moral, highly educated man , that the world needs to listen to

[@rplewis]

You can either give people the freedom to choose, or you can have equality of outcome. That's it.

[@Veritas-TheGoader]

19:10 Jordan’s Big 5 personality traits speaks of the differences between men and women

[@jackmacgillicutty8045]

I love the conversation about Parliament because it highlights the absurdity. Women make up 51% of the voting populace in any given nation. If you make the argument that women are discriminated against in representative govt, you'd have to necessarily make the argument that women are discriminating against women leaders. And, presumably, that the way to make women more equal is to give them less say in who their representatives are. It's madness.

[@Cruefest2009]

At the end the host mentions “nerds” wouldnt that be media steering men away from education? “OOPS.” And she then basically says “we need to manipulate men into wanting to work in nursing and homecare such and such etc” with real smart words.

[@jonelmer3518]

I am inserting this comment before watching and listening to your reaction. I think that men and women are equally important because we were creative differently for different purposes.

[@sharonburcham66]

I guess some would call me old school… I have been married to the same man since 1990.. we were 19 when we said I do! Now, I worked until we had our first child and I MADE THE DECISION to stay at home with them! I feel my job as a mom was very important.. and now that they are grown, I’m thankful I did… they are all successful and good kids! Three boys and a girl! Men and women are not equals she needs to read the BIBLE haha love you both and Kris you keep me busy with all the content you’re dropping! ❤️Tennessee

[@roywall8169]

It isn't getting worse. People are free to choose what they want to do, which is opposite from the lunatics that are trying to force people into things they are not interested in.

[@caseyhazelman2390]

Hey y’all! Another important reaction! IMHO the US would do well to adopt what is working in other countries as they have adopted our best practices. ✌🏼❤️🎶

[@bensmiley7042]

Krizz kaliko reacting to jordan peterson, i can rest easy now

[@charliedorman7460]

Feelings vs facts is every liberal vs conservative debate. Facts sound rough and provide them a ton of sound bites to make conservatives look bad

[@lambowolf]

A few points 1) The lady on the panel is advocating for Equality of Outcome not Opportunity. Only through force you can have Equality of Outcome therefore you will deny many individuals of their liberty. 2) it has been determined that even from such a young age before socialization can occur, boys are more interested interacting with things and girls with people. This has an impact later. 3) What the Scandinavian studies show that as things become more egalitarian, the choices the men and women make divulge further. Men are more likely to pick STEM fields (Working with things) while women are more likely to pick fields that involve working with people like fields they dominate like teaching. Note a couple of exceptions for women and science fields. Veterinarians and MDs are being dominating more by women. 4) This is why Jordan was so effective by pointing out the choices women are not making like becoming bricklayers. 5) Personal belief, I believe that everyone ought to be able to achieve their dream PROVIDING they have the skill sets to achieve their dreams. I worshipped Nolan Ryan as a kid, but I would never be able to throw a baseball 100 MPH. If a woman wants to be the CEO of a company like Apple, I say more power to her. The question is will she be willing to work 60 hours every week? Not being their for their kids when their ill, sporting events, club activities, birthday parties etc etc. Most women are not willing to work to make those sacrifices. Quite frankly, most men are not either. This is why there are more store managers making a modest wage while CEOS making a substantial wage. 6)You will never have Equality of Outcome. The best we can do is strive for Equality of Opportunity. The best thing we can do is to see if we can help those develop the skills they need to achieve their dreams their dreams

[@AndreKarlsen-d7v]

As a Norwegian male nurse, I have 90% female coworkers and they are yelling at the top of their lungs for more men to work in healthcare, including paid educaton. The fact that our worforce is still 90/10 men to women in physical labour and 10/90 men to women in healthcare should tell you a whole lot. There is not a single law or rule in Norway that says women can’t be a graveyard worker or a plumber, in fact my family has run a graveyard for 3 generations and the best coworker my dad ever had is female and will likely take it over in a couple of years. She was the exception. I’m the exception as a male nurse, I get a completely different response from the elderly when they only see women all day, every day.

[@AndreKarlsen-d7v]

And don’t say it’s represtation, only 4 years ago we had our female primeminister(did insider trading) and we’ve had others. We also have and had multiple female mayors, leaders of parties etc etc.

[@lisazaccardimeunier8378]

Jordan has once in a generation intellect.

[@sumairshirazi]

There are literally video's of female cops who have difficulties arresting men as men can shrug them off and run away.

[@ChadTheGirlDad]

19:17 men that make me money generally work insane hours. Also willingly they earn more money. The only way to make that equal is to intentionally limit his hours and nobody wants that. Also universal free child care is a nightmare

[@donmcclurg3158]

On my first job site as an electrical Forman, it was mid-July in Alabama and I had a lady around 25 years old beg me for a job. I don't know if you have ever worked outside in the Alabama heat it is a different kind of heat. The only thing that I had open ATM was following the backhoe in a trench shoveling out dirt that fell out of the bucket. I told her that it will be 15 to 20 deg hotter in the ditch she took the job and by 1st break she was gone. This happened in 1995 and I have hired a few more women since with the same outcome. Oh by the way the starting pay was always the same regardless of who was holding the shovel. I didn't hear one complaint until a 19 year old girl whose dad was working for the carpenter crew tried to get me fired for discrimination against women. My boss called me and he fired her over the phone....LMAO! After that I didn't hire another woman, because I didn't want a chick that was bat shit crazy to claim one of my guys sexually assaulted them.

[@niky9226]

Hes saying in the Scandinavian countries where they have created policies to try to make the countries as "pro equality" as possible... where they have done this far more than any other regions in the world... where they are trying to achieve equality of "outcome" ("outcome" = representation is 50/50 - men/women in all areas) They found men and women ended up being more opposite, mostly through their own interests. They are not saying this is what is happened everywhere. But if we keep pushing these ideologies with the same goal, we will attain the same result. Equality of outcome does not work and doesnt exsist unless youre literally forcing it, (ie through hiring quotas, etc...) Equal "opportunity" should always be encouraged (making sure the jobs are available for men/women, etc) but it doesnt mean you will attain equal outcome (equal representation or equal pay).

[@rudyregehr6231]

“assume the person you’re talking to knows something you don’t” something jp preaches but doesn’t seem to practice.

[@DarrowAndromeda]

Worth and value is not the same thing as he equal, and I think people misconstrue these words are men and women equal no we’ve never been equal and we never will be equal. In order for us to be equivalent we’d have to be the same and we’re not however that doesn’t mean women have more worth or value than men or vice versa. It just means we’re not equal cause we do different things and we’re built very differently.

[@JamesConner-y7h]

Its refreshing to see a react video with intelligent diacussion instead of gasps and skeets. Yes i said skeets. Looking forward to listening to more of your views.

[@matthewdooley7855]

Jordan Peterson is smart enough that he doesn't seem normal. But he's almost always got the facts on his side. He's a literal psychologist, and so he often comes from a highly technical perspective. Defining something like "equal" is always the trick. The woman wants to create "equal outcomes" by granting more parental leave. But that means some men are doing MORE work to support the leave of those taking advantage of it. Is that an "equal outcome"?

[@laurilewerenz5270]

its called cherry picking or selecting facts to suit your narrative. All his "facts" and data are very selective. and he takes nothing about societal pressure into account.

[@everfall1075]

Watch more Jordan Peterson Full vids too because he spits information like nothing Much love 💗

[@avoncalling7886]

I just don’t think equality of outcome is even possible. Particularly if we want to simultaneously assert our individuality.

[@davidyardley8346]

If you have not seen it you need to watch the one he did with C4...Search Jordan Peterson so you're saying. Its a classic....

[@izzyasmart1]

8:22 50/50 only gets half the job done, if each partner isn't doing 100% of what they can do then something gets left out. It has to be 100/100.

[@TheCruxy]

Has Britt reacted to any Kevin Samuels yet?

[@katiegwynn4495]

I think men and women are equal in our worth to God

[@aaronburdon221]

I don't agree with EVERYTHING Jordan says, but he's well-versed in his field. When he's talking, you should at least hear him out even if you don't agree with him because he'll give you his thought processes. He has a very Socratic method of thinking where he will break every argument down into its smallest pieces and define them. Then he rebuilds it and comes to an end conclusion.

[@laurilewerenz5270]

you need to go back to philosophy school. Socrates would totally rip him and his inconsistent illogical thoughts apart.

[@aaronburdon221]

@@laurilewerenz5270 I didn't say he got every avenue of thought right. I just said he laid out his thought processes and lets you know how he came to that conclusion. Whether Socrates would agree with his conclusions or not is irrelevant. He's using Socrates' methods.

[@Gutslinger]

If you're trying to move towards equal outcome, like what that woman wants (At least for positions of power. She could care less about other areas.) then we are not moving forward. We are moving backwards.

[@angelocerrato8425]

Why are they keep wanting to force people to change of who they are to appease their little equality thing. The opportunities there for them they're just not choosing to go that route not because of societal pressure which you're trying to put on them but just in their human nature of what they gravitate towards.

[@michaeloconnor1284]

Jordan is talking about equality, period, she is talking about equality of outcome which is actually equity and not equality. There is no way to achieve equity, no two people are going to achieve the same levels in the end and to force people to step aside or allow unqualified people to achieve the same level is just wrong.

[@AdeptusCaeiusIII]

There is a way. It's called 'unpersoning' the talented. When no one has any incentive to do a good job, everyone does an equally bad job.

[@AprilJMoon]

It has never been and never will be equal if it is 'forced' or perceived equality. When and where does it stop??? Can I demand equal pay with the award winning expert in my field??? Oh, and just an example, look at things the LA fire chief has said, and what she has done/overseen

[@petarvurdelja7667]

You can strive how ever you want to equality there are just certain jobs woman want do that male do and opposite i dont see many women want do on oil rig and u dont see many man want to do manicure just one example i agree with britt equality means you have to have 50% man and 50% women in every job wich is ridicilous we all strive to something different especially in certain type of jobes

[@fluctuator9424]

Look up Larry Elder. He is also a highly intelligent fact spitter.

[@dawatcherz]

if you want 'equality' in society between men and women there is no way to do that without forcing people to do jobs they do not want to do and/or that they are not suited for. because if you leave men and women alone and let them choose what they want to do the men will choose to work with things more often en women will choose to work with people more often.

[@Veritas-TheGoader]

Doing the same job in the military, men have to run faster times and do more pushups than women during the PT test. Women generally speaking are better at sit-ups than men, but must do the same amount of sit-ups. Where is the equality?

[@cbogolo]

You should introduce krizz to Mr Thomas Sowell

[@LibertyWolf1]

You should both react to The Inconvenient Truth about the Democrat Party & Republican Party.

[@lamusiclover2264]

This discussion has nothing to do with political parties.

[@Prime.Emperor.Victor]

​@@lamusiclover2264 It does actually

[@FalcoSorreo]

That lady is insufferable. She puts forward her argument, Peterson offers a rebuttal, and she just ignores his counter-argument and repeats her original point. Which tells me she has no interest in understanding his objection, she just wants to push her agenda. And on top of that she is very arrogant telling him to be humble, when she is the one not listening.

[@jeffreysmith2069]

Agree.

[@Cruefest2009]

Hey, lemme simplify one time, the media didnt think of the differences, bfor they saw them. 😂 also, that lady just said a whole shit ton of fancy words for, “the movement towards gender equality, is being slowed by people who dont agree with it” like, NO SHIT! Jordan Peterson is an incredibly intelligent individual, but he happens to be IMO one of the liss Tism’ish ones, he’s very much a critical thinker, and will argue his own point for you to get past it quicker. Thats why he can speak that way, hes had all these arguments hundreds of times, and these people ALWAYS bring the SAME ARGUMENT. Theyre literally saying, “were not there yet” - hes saying “ITS ALREADY WORKING THE OPPOSITE WAY” - shes saying “WELL WEVE GOTTA GO ALL THE WAY TO FIND OUT” like no, when shit doesnt work, we fix it.

[@tomstout4815]

Great topic but I'd like to see Britt solo on these types of videos

[@jameshopkins6853]

You guys are saying he's so smart...no at all. I can't remember the guy's name...but he kicks Peterson's ass EVERY TIME>

[@RobwLPOC]

I'll explain the pay Gap myth cuz it's not pay they are referring to. When these people talk about "The wage Gap"/"The pay Gap" between men and woman and They are saying that "woman are only being PAID 70 to 75 cents for every dollar a man is paid for doing the same job they are" it is absolutely false and a horrible misrepresentation of what the statistic they are quoting. There is a difference between men and women money wise of 70 to 75% but that number is the difference in THE NATIONAL AVERAGE YEARLY INCOME of what ALL the men in the country make on average per year VS what ALL the woman in the country make on average per year. The men in the country over the course of the Year tend make 25 to 30% more, but that's across all jobs not people in one job versus other people in that same job, it doesn't account for how many hours a week they work, what type of profession they are in, how special is the field is etcetera etcetera etcetera Women working as Electricians, Plumbers and Auto mechanics make far more than men working as waiters, retail cashiers and office secretaries. Men working in those first 3 jobs make far more than woman who work in those last 3 jobs. Men have a tendency to work in skilled trade jobs like plumbers electricians Carpenters mechanics welders which are all very well-paying professions at a far higher rate than women. The Woman are not being paid unfairly because they are making less in a totally different profession. Look at it this way as well, if you could pay women 75 cents every dollar or 25% less to do the same job as men, what intelligent business owner out there would not have figured out by this point to never bother hiring men? You could fire all your male employees bring in all women and immediately save 25% on your labor costs! Business owners are not doing this because it isn't actually a real thing that they're paying women less not to mention it is illegal under US law. I actually called out a economics professor from the University of Calgary for intentionally perpetrating this falsehood on the radio asking him "How the hell did you get a job as an economics professor if you can't even understand a simple concept like the difference between hourly pay and average National yearly income?" Mr Trevor Tombe asked me what I was talking about and I told him that he was either intentionally lying on the radio or had absolutely no clue what he was talking about which one was it? I explained to him the number he was giving out was not what he was saying it was and did not represent hourly pay. I then tweeted him a link to the revenue Canada website where clearly states that statistic is the difference of national average yearly income between the two for the whole country. I asked him if he understood that that was a different concept than hourly pay at the same job and he was actually man enough to admit he stood corrected, he didn't realize that that statistic was not what politicians had been telling everybody it was.

[@mark-be9mq]

Yes, she is asserting something that's wrong. Differences in men & women can not be explained cheifly by social conditioning. There are natural (complimentary) differences btwn m/f. You actually have to socially engineer the diffences in sexes away to create "eqaul" choices in career paths.

[@martin8829]

Female only fans models make substantially more money than man can we equalize that as well

[@WolvenHeart1]

The difference is what 17:50 says and how you write them and societal expectations. The problem with using studies the way he is using. He is trying to say that everything should be 50/50 and that the reality is that the majority of people who would apply to be a brick layer is men. But the law should be that a woman should be able to apply to be one and not be refused solely because she is a woman. The stats Jordan is using, I would need to go through the study. In the end, the law should allow equality. Also, the law should allow you the freedom to choose, which means you are never going to be 50/50. Especially since there are more women than men by population in the world. Now the question if you were going by Jordan's scales of 50-50 in everyrhing and that studies show that in every area of life you dont get 50-50. Ehat happens if you try to shift the scales to population density lol. I personally never go from 1 study to a different study. What I would have liked to know from Jordan is if he had the same study for that criteria and see what the progression is. Have women employment or participation grown, decreased, or stayed the same.

[@xeno-andrew]

So, the laws in the U.S. right now make it illegal to not accept someone just because they are a woman. The studies he’s talking about show an increase in opportunity and show that women in general pick more people oriented fields. If a woman wants to be an engineer or work on an oil rig go ahead. Given the options women choose to stay around family/friends more(not move for work), inside jobs, and people.

[@WolvenHeart1]

​@chrisf2636, you are making my point. Is that the law is to open the opportunity for women or anyone in general to apply for a job. They can not be screened out for simply being People still have their choice of the area they want to pursue. My other point was the way they use stats, this dude was using bricklayer. My point was that expecting 50% Women is ridiculous. Only way to judge is to take a survey done 20 years ago and compare to a survey today to get the progress. Today media uses 1 survey and says it means this but it is more nuanced

[@xeno-andrew]

@ the Scandinavian studies he’s referring to have been done by numerous groups, not one study, multiple studies across decades. As the law and social pressures for equality have been pushed farther, the temperaments of the sexes and their job choices have divided more. More female nurses, more male engineers, these are the typical things vs people differences at a population level. There is tons of cross-over in the middle, and there’s not anything about capacity for one type of work or another it’s just that there are fewer females interested in engineering. And fewer males interested in nursing.

[@Rattled76]

The woman on here seems to be pretty much an activist and goes by feelings and not factual studies. I wouldn’t believe anything that comes out of California as far as studies go.

[@fisheye375]

Why would a person would want to do 50-50 in a house? It doesn’t even make sense….what is even 50-50? Does it means you have to do 50% and the dishes and then I come an do the other 50? Same with money and very other things? That’s just bad organization skills and it will be so inefficient. People are good at different things. Know what your good at and what your partner is good at and just do that. That’s it why will I do a thing I know for sure my wife is 300% better than me at? It doesn’t make sense. Of course it doesn’t mean that if she doesn’t want to do that, I won’t do it…but if I’m good at math, I will do the budget of the house…it just make sense… People overthink this 50-50 thing.

[@charleshenry338]

I got respect for ladies! But as a medic? I carried more women than men JS

[@philbaumgartner1776]

What is STEM? Really??? Your kids must be young.

[@neildarealdeal7129]

Actually, Jordan speaks objectively yet; in my opinion, it's all theory. It depends where the research was done. It's different all over the globe... Darealdeal

[@Aiveq]

you mean parts of world where there less equality and less segregation..? your so called theory is factual research across the globe...

[@neildarealdeal7129]

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[@xeno-andrew]

The research is conducted in most countries that have been modernized. The ones he’s speaking on in Scandinavian countries, have been reproduced with startling similarity. One of my favorite lines about parenting, “you are the shepherd of your children not the architect or engineer.” (Adhd psychologist) In societies that have equalized rights and pushed the most egalitarian policies allow more freedom of choice. In those societies you find more differences between temperament and job selection of the sexes. The argument at this point is do we allow the people to choose what they want or do we start incentivizing more and forcing equal outcomes.

[@vampfashions]

Speaking of Amazing Rock Star Canadian Professors, you should also watch a few videos with Gad Saad. Same depth of knowledge and same complete lack of deference to stupid wokeness.

[@sueellengallion4523]

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