Rays & A's have STRIKING similarities, right now

[@brodiebrazil]

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[@supremeb3563]

The main similarity, both owners need to sell their teams.

[@NathanMoist]

In Oakland they have fans but they moved their team. In Tampa they want to stay there but have no fans.

[@KenTheMan407]

Lol ​@@NathanMoist

[@CaptRR]

Another similarity, is they want tax payers to subsidize their multi-million dollar business.

[@trclark7689]

@@NathanMoist ironically, over the past decade the A's and Rays have had similar attendance. Looking at a map, lets assume that San Francisco/Oakland had the same population that Tampa/St. Petersburg has and lets imagine for a minute that the BART doesn't exist. How many fans are driving from Oakland (and areas to the East of Oakland) to the San Francisco International Airport area 81 times a year to see the A's play if their stadium was in that location? Considering that over the last decade, the A's have played right in the center of their market and averaged 15,464 per game (not counting 2020) I sincerely doubt that they're facing the traffic to drive across the Bay into San Francisco, then all the way to the stadium.

[@1p4g]

Good luck selling, no one seems to want to buy the Twins or White Sox, big money is going into Soccer

[@archstanton6102]

Was at Tarpons in Sept 22. Saw 1.5 innings before a thunderstorm hit and game postponed. Game was due to be played next night, but also postponed due to rain.

[@wnevin1626]

Been following ya a long time Brodie, and I love your transition to KZbin. You are the best voice not just for Oakland sports, but for all underdog sport stories. Those stories that make you wonder why sports are designed and regulated this way.

[@psychopathyoutubeemployees280]

Private ownerships in sports are immoral. They need to be illegal. The Green Bay Packers public ownership is the way to go.

[@michaelmarkowski204]

@@psychopathyoutubeemployees280 Blue Jays also have a taxpayer-friendly situation. The owner (Rogers Communications) also owns the ballpark (Rogers Centre), the TV rights (own a 24 hour sports network similar to ESPN called SportsNet), and the radio rights (all-sports radio stations called The FAN). When two off-season's worth of renovations were recently done at Rogers Centre, Rogers paid for the whole thing themselves. Only catch to this situation was that the city and province of Ontario spent approximately $570M in 1986-88 dollars (around $1.2B in today's dollars) to build what was then called SkyDome, then sold it to SportsCo for $31M in 1999. Rogers then purchased it from SportsCo for $25M in 2004. so they got a great deal.

[@Burmn]

Fire Manfred.

[@fiddlepick]

✅

[@roderickbawcutt]

@@Burmn I have some good news and some bad news. The bad news is that there is a 0% chance of him being fired. The good news is that Manfred has said that he will be retiring January 2029 so he will be gone eventually

[@scotttild]

And what exactly would that do ? Answer NOThING. Until they fix the economic system MLB will be a mess.

[@boltyourselfin]

The MLB schedule is about 20% longer than the Florida State League schedule, too (132 games). I'd expect even more rainouts than what the Tarpons average

[@SaberToothBicycle]

Both teams still have mascots in need of Forever Homes too. Hang in there, Stomper and DJ Kitty...

[@GDavis49]

I read DJ Kitty was adopted by a nice family in Fort Myers

[@ArizonaHotSauce]

Don't forget about Raymond.

[@martinarden9705]

"The O...Sa...ahhh...Athletics". Brodie's tongue tie is all of us.

[@jtfritz9169]

And it’s like the Coyotes at Mullett Arena.

[@arandomdudeontheinternet5792]

That’s what he said towards the beginning of the video

[@Tribout25]

Rob Manfred is the most incompetent commissioner in sports. The league has gone from “America past time” to “America afterthought” during his tenure. On top of the As and Rays situation, over half the league revenue has dropped due to the RSN bubble bursting. Players are now having to take pay cuts.

[@kjorlaug1]

Blaming Manfred for these things, especially the RSN bubble and the A's stadium situation is ignoring decades of history before that. Selig and his insistence of not waiving the San Jose rights from the Giants is still a massive issue. And th RSN bubble was set in motion in the 90s.

[@jamescaron6465]

@@kjorlaug1 Yea manfred is a trainwreck but he had plenty of help.

[@amicooke1790]

No player deserves a $700m contract. Also, Disney and Diamond Sports blew up the RSN's, not the commissioner. Get your facts right.

[@scotttild]

Bottom line until they get a labor agreement like the NFL when all the TV money is shared equally MLB is going to be a mess.

[@b1air77]

LOVE the coverage of all this stadium drama

[@jaymeojeda1160]

Fisher sux sell the A's

[@RogerBates7]

The outdoor venue in Florida is not ideal, but the Marlins played two decades outdoors at Joe Robbie (Hard Rock). They'll survive for a season.

[@connernorton]

Absolutely crazy that the day after the Tropicana hotel was demolished in Vegas, Hurrican Milton destroyed Tropicana field in Florida. Feels like that name is cursed in baseball

[@bullwinkle2380]

The Day After: Both Trops got messed up!!!

[@ModMokkaMatti]

But they've got some good juice.

[@alesitercrimson24]

Thats why I believe the As still end up in Vegas. Vegas just doesnt destroy a resort and have nothing replace it on the strip.

[@michaelmarkowski204]

@@alesitercrimson24 If not a new ballpark, then a new Hotel and Casino taking up the entire space or another structure will be built, perhaps without any taxpayer dollars involved...?

[@SaberToothBicycle]

Can't help thinking of both teams' entire supporting cast--vendors, staff, local businesses--everybody. A lot of folks end up falling between the wall and the ship--on both bays.

[@oiler62]

I know, it's quite sad. Saw the pic of longtime Coliseum groundskeeper Clay Wood's last day. Heartbreaking.

[@michaelmarkowski204]

White Sox should be added to the list re. situations that need to be settled before expansion occurs. Reinsdorf wants a new ballpark with a large portion of it funded by taxpayers. Bears want a huge new stadium project and obviously have priority. The White Sox lease at Guaranteed Rate Field expires at the end of the 2028 season. Reinsdorf has apparently told his family that when he dies, they are to keep the Bulls and sell the White Sox. He's 88 years old.

[@YucksterTorazine]

rays and a's also it rhymes

[@TommyBuskulic-u2k]

Brodie, There is a major difference between the Tampa Bay Rays & the team formerly known as the Oakland A's. The Oakland A's owner, John Fisher, CHOSE to let this happen by allowing the Oakland Coliseum to become the worst stadium in Major League Baseball & by acting in bad faith when it came to any deal for a new potential ballpark in Oakland. The Tampa Bay Rays find themselves in an unfortunate situation, courtesy of Hurricane Milton. I remember watching a video you made which said that there are scheduling conflicts between the Tampa Bay Rays & the Yankees affiliate in Tampa for 42 of the Rays' 81 home games. I think the Rays should hold only 39 of their 81 home games in Tampa. The Rays should try to reach a deal with the Phillies & the Blue Jays to schedule their remaining home games in the ballparks of their respective spring training/minor league ballparks. If there are still any scheduling conflicts, then the rest can be scheduled in Port Charlotte.

[@acelm8437]

He mentioned this at 3:45

[@tombraiderstrums09]

Yeah why couldn’t they use a different team’s (preferably NL) spring training facility? Paying $15M/yr to your division rivals is beyond embarrassing

[@ArizonaHotSauce]

So many things here.... The Rays owner is choosing to back out of the already agreed upon deal with St. Pete to use this unfortunate situation as leverage once again to get out of St. Pete and into Tampa. He was "blessed" by having the hurricane give him a plausible "out" of the contract for a new stadium. St. Pete can smell this and is calling foul on their tactics. St. Pete is so pissed that they are threatening to not even fit the Trop at all. Steinbrenner field is in Tampa. The Rays are saying that it is the closest to MLB standards in the region. They are not wrong. However, if they chose either the Phillies or Blue Jays fields in Dunedin or Clearwater that would have made Pinellas county much happier and shown good faith for all the money they are about to pony up for Trop roof repairs and a new stadium. When the Rays chose Steinbrenner field and Tampa, they took that as a shot to the face. The comments and tone from Pinellas county is clear that they know what the Rays are up to, but nobody can say anything publicly for legal reasons. Everyone with a pulse knows that Tampa (not St. Pete) is a better place for a new stadium, but Tampa adamantly said last year that they will provide no funds for a stadium. All things are not equal now so there is a slight opening for Tampa to figure something out and not at the expense of ruining a relationship with St. Pete. The Rays see is drama and want St. Pete to rid themselves of the Rays which would sort of allow Tampa to jump in. Side note, but Tampa knows they will have to help pay for a Bucs stadium in the coming years, likely $1.5B or more. The Bucs are too important to the community. The Tarpons have already said they are going to play their full season at a side practice field. No conflicts exist anymore. The $15M helped make that decision. Port Charlotte stadium (even though it is owned by the Rays) is too far for the fan base so it's a non-starter. I love love love this situation as it is the most interesting off field drama that has nothing to do with any action of on field activities in recent memory. We are all waiting on baited breath for the Rays deadline for December 1st to see what they are formally required to say in response to the Pinelllas county ultimatum they gave the Rays a few days ago. We'll see the true intentions by Sunday night. The Rays, St. Pete, and Pinellas county still have that signed and agreed upon deal with none of the groups missing any deadlines or breaching contract. However, the recent hurricane situation has allowed a few "outs" so if everyone does nothing and keeps to the contract they all signed then the Rays will stay in St. Pete and a new stadium will eventually be built. But if the Rays formally back out, then I suspect St. Pete will say "screw you" Rays and let them walk and get out of the remaining 3years of the original agreement to play in the Trop for 30 years. This is when Tampa jumps in. We'll see in a few days what's next in this saga....

[@RogerBates7]

​@ArizonaHotSauce don't forget that prior to Sternberg trying to get out of it, the balance of the Pinellas County board changed, due to the elections. He went from a 5-2 "Yes", to a possible 4-3 "No". They keep delaying the final vote and that's costing the Rays money. I know you know all this, I'm just adding the context for anyone else who may not.

[@Ibhenriksen]

How much is Manfred to blame for this?

[@psychopathyoutubeemployees280]

A lot. Same with the owners who PUT him in that position too.

[@amicooke1790]

Not as much as every spineless governor who subsidized a billionaire's temper tantrum about having to pay for their expensive brown toys.

[@adamgallagher20]

Rays are different -they held the Tampa name but never played in Tampa proper. I'm surprised you never covered the political rivalry...numerous reports with Tampa/Hillsborough County officials looking at swooping in because Pinellis County/St. Petersburg were envious because of the Rays temporary location across the bridge in Tampa proper. I realize that you may have some pain because the As moved and you were one of their broadcasting team, don't let it affect your reporting.

[@vinnydiaz6959]

TaMpA bAy IsNt a CiTy ItS a ReGiOn (that’s what the st pete apologists say)

[@robertbrezinski9348]

They're TAMPA BAY, not Tampa.

[@Skroskznik]

Tampa is a subset of Tampa Bay (which Tampa Bay is a few cities in the area of the bay)

[@Michael-sb8jf]

They may be Tampa Bay as the name/nickname of the metro area but never under estimate inter city politics. Seen it far to often

[@StevenEveral]

I would honestly be surprised if both the A's and Rays end up in Salt Lake City, Nashville, or even Portland, OR within the next few years.

[@KenTheMan407]

That make most sense

[@vinnydiaz6959]

Different roads same destination

[@comptixking]

I still don’t get why the Rays go to Port Charlotte where their own farm team already is

[@davidmackenzie9701]

There is a serious difference in size of facility.

[@obroni]

It's a minimum 70-mile commute, each way. Not that appealing to do that for every game. Or, everyone needs to move... which is also not appealing.

[@666kingdrummer]

Or less than 20 minutes away to Miami. Might actually get some fans in that place.

[@AnnPorkins]

Another key similarity: their name's rhyme. A's n Rays for days

[@tylerfancher]

Hey man! Love the videos. Any update on the Cleveland stadium situation? It sounded like a mess a few weeks ago…

[@dirtyhouse530]

They both have miniscule local support

[@BobThompson-y9p]

Sounds like the A's and Ray's owners are competing for worst owner in sports. I am not sure which one is worse.😊😊

[@tombraiderstrums09]

Alex Meruelo has that one locked down.

[@michaelmarkowski204]

@@tombraiderstrums09 He no longer owns the NHL team, only their minor league affiliate.

[@kingmo8789]

​@@michaelmarkowski204he needs to sell them too.

[@kkaminska2451]

Just my opinion but there are so many small market teams now that aren’t competitive (think Pittsburgh), and although a few are competitive (Milwaukee), without a salary cap like the NFL , I think expansion to more small markets is a bad idea. All the big stars end up at just a handful of teams. I am not paying $60 a ticket to watch a team full of 2nd and 3rd level players at that price, especially for a .500 or lower team.

[@biblebelter9772]

A day of reckoning is coming. You framed the story correctly. For a measly 19 million dollars a year which is not even half the price of a superstar player in today's market, MLB is going to be humiliated. Major league players will take the field in Sacramento, but the product will have the look and feel of minor league baseball. It will be a PR nightmare. Not for Fisher as he is a nightmare unto himself. Major league players and broadcasters will be constantly whining, justifiably so about playing in Sacramento. It is comedy that Sacramento is giving the A's the stadium rent free. I guess they are thinking it will be good PR. I guess it will be good for local businesses, but I seriously doubt it will help them get a MLB franchise. The Tampa situation will not be good either but as you pointed out it came about through an act of God. I enjoyed the past regular season, but the playoff system stinks. But this time around the Dodgers probably were the best team, at least they were the best team money could buy.

[@alexandertracy8479]

The Guardians have rain delays all the time. It's just part of baseball when not in California, or a dome

[@JeffreyW67]

There is a difference between a rain delay and a rain suspension. (or snow.) I doubt the Guardians have had 6.5 games in any season where the game had to be played on a different day. Either as a double header; on an off-day; or worst case, at the park of the other team. Baseball teams will often move start times if the know the bad weather is coming or will endure three-hour rain delays. That is one thing, but cancelling that many games in MLB does not happen with that amount of frequency.

[@michaelmarkowski204]

Bruiser Brodie was talking about rainouts, not rain delays. Guardians had 4 rainouts in 2024: April 12 vs. Yankees. June 5 vs. Royals. August 6 vs. Arizona. September 29 vs. Astros. Tigers had 3 rainouts: April 11 vs. Twins. April 29 vs. Cardinals. May 28 vs. Pirates.

[@psychopathyoutubeemployees280]

2:34 Funny thing is, despite the newer American League having a approximately 48-44 edge in All-Star Games, and a whopping 72-48 in the World Series (thanks to the Yankees of course), throughout MLB history, it's usually the American League teams that have the stadium and attendance issues most of the time. Somewhat similar in football as the newer AFC/AFL holds a 26-23 edge in conference Pro Bowls, but, it's currently a 29-29 tie in Super Bowls (the AFC's drought from the mid-1980's to late 1990's had something to do with that). And yes, it's usually the AFC teams that have the stadium and attendance issue problems.

[@militos7216663]

Hi Brodie, love the show, do you have a non-video version for on the go listening without burning data?

[@CharmDupes1300]

Just get Mint mobile.

[@bsputnik]

"Junior Circuit" ringing true.

[@acelm8437]

Don't forget the White Sox

[@roderickbawcutt]

I didn't know the A's had an affiliate team in Vegas but with that knowledge, it makes no sense to me why they decided to have their home games in Sacramento

[@michaelmarkowski204]

Because if Vegas falls through, they'll stay in Sac with a new ballpark built.

[@chrisweidner4768]

The common denominator in all this? Manfred.

[@tenfourproductionsllc]

I mentioned this but the A's will generate a lot more fan revenue becuase the prices of A's tickets now are insanely high and they already have guaranteed every game a sellout and will outdraw Oakland in raw attendance. The Rays, we will have to see.

[@RogerBates7]

I have to disagree a little bit with Brodie here, I feel like there are more differences than similarities in these two situations. Having cities that don't want to pay for Stadiums is similar and the ability of the teams to generate revenue are also comparable, but beyond that there are many differences. First of all, Fisher walked away from Oakland with a viable option to play in a major league park (albeit a dump), the Rays were driven out by a natural disaster and a governmental decision to cut the insurance before said disaster. Another difference, Oakland has a fanbase. The Rays, less so. Yes, Oakland fans didn't turn out, but that's a lot to do with crappy ownership and governmental incompetence that they didn't cause. Rays fans are loyal, but they're few. That team never sold out the building with any frequency. Also, Sternberg is a good owner. He puts a winning product on the field most years, despite a crap Stadium and half a fanbase. Fisher is a poor owner who pockets TV & revenue sharing money and puts a AAA team on the field.

[@jaredwalton3135]

Nice analysis. The Ray's have had one continuous obstacle to their stadium problems: Vince Naimoli the original owner of the team signed a very strict 25 year lease with the city of St.Pete. it's been a major Roadblock towards progress of getting a new stadium built for decades now. It was going to expire in 2027, but with the lost year and the terms of the lease, the city can enforce an extension. I'm betting the Ray's and St. Pete end up in court. I totally agree that there should have been more flexibility on the Ray's part, instead of throwing a tantrum with a city and county reeling from back to back Hurricanes and the rebuild necessitated by that. But, I do think, the tantrum and killing the deal is the Plan B. St. Pete has been a notoriously difficult partner for decades, primarily because of the lease. The Ray's have been notoriously cheap, despite putting a very good product on the field consistently for years now.

[@michaelmarkowski204]

I wonder why another team with much more willingness to spend money doesn't hire the Rays' player management and some scouting staff? They almost always contend for a playoff spot in spite of losing almost every one of their top players to free agency? They would then have the opportunity to sign either their own free agents or those of other teams to win a World Series. Maybe they like living in the area and don't want to move?

[@PeterPodolak-q2c]

It seems to me that the Rays deal had time built into it. If the County had voted on the scheduled date there would have been some time to reconstruct a deal. Milton changed the timelines and that caused the council to delay it vote.

[@itinerantpatriot1196]

I've lived here in the Tampa/St. Pete area for a bit but as a Tiger fan I really haven't taken more than a passing interest in the Rays. Because I don't have a dog in the hunt I haven't followed the stadium saga that closely over the years. I seem to recall the team almost reaching a deal to build a stadium in Ybor City but it fell through for whatever reason. Maybe someone can refresh me on that. I know the area they currently play in sucks and I thought building a new stadium in the same area was a bad idea. I assumed they agreed because they didn't think an agreement with Tampa would be forthcoming. Steinbrenner Field is a nice little park. Great customer service, but at that price...I'd pass. The best thing for the team would be to relocate. I think that is what will end up happening but we'll see.

[@dr7448]

Looking forward to American League (and a sprinkling of NL) three year stint in Sac. It’s a novelty right now tho. The community loves the rivercats as the SF AAA.

[@timc7037]

Never should have allowed teams with rhyming names to exist, it was bound to happen. I personally consider both temporary facilities to be upgrades,

[@clemenx]

Can someone tell me why is it seemingly impossible to get a Stadium in Tampa? Rays fans have been yelling for decades that the damn bridge to St. Pete is the issue. Rays get great TV ratings and I'm sure they will get good atmosphere at the Minor league stadium. Lightning have the best southern hockey fanbase which shows what can the city do support wise. So why a Tampa ballpark that should be a no brainer is an impossible task?

[@jamescaron6465]

Honestly The Ray's are screwed no matter what. Once that roof blew off, it was all over. It is a shame they won't build a dome near Raymond James. I think if they put the team in a different location they would be better off. Tampa supports its teams I think they would support baseball if given a chance. That isn't going to happen and they need to find another city. This time next year we will be discussing the team and where they will be.

[@bullwinkle2380]

So what's gonna happen to Tropicana Field??? Hurricane Milton sure messed it up big time!!!

[@aegisofhonor]

the difference is intent, the Rays just got unlucky with a once in 75 year storm (first Pacific to Atlantic hurricane to strike the US coast since 1949) while the A's made their own bed, pored gasoline on it, and lit it on fire.

[@Matthew6248]

I could see one of four things: Rays relocate or the Trop gets not only a new roof but a big renovation or the Rays and Athletics merge ala thr Barrons/North Stars Merger in the 1970s or both teams fold

[@BoulderCityBlues]

The A’s will on December 5th show that the financing is in place for the new stadium at the Tropicana site . Fisher is now saying his family will put up the money because nobody in their right mind would go into business with John Fisher .Once the financing is good to go there should be shovels in the ground in April for the Las Vegas Athletics ballpark . In the meantime the A’s are under pressure to spend money or they are about to lose revenue sharing so Fisher is now going to be forced to spend millions on players and be forced to build a team instead of destroying one .MLB players don’t want to play in minor league parks so that’s going to be another problem but it’s good news for players like Brent Rooker and Mason Miller who should be getting quite the raise ..

[@TJR93]

@7:35 Heat does not exist all across the country. San Francisco can be very cool during the summer along with parts of the northeast.

[@Kevin_C_Leonard_63]

If by the end of next season there is no resolution to the A's and Rays' long term plans MLB may need to consider putting both teams in suspended status. That would mean a dispersal draft and bringing a National League team over to the American League to even out the numbers. Once the two inactive franchises get their act together and move into new facilities then they can start fresh.

[@robertbrezinski9348]

Then you would have unbalanced leagues because you would have 13 teams in the American League and 15 teams in the National League.

[@Kevin_C_Leonard_63]

​@@robertbrezinski9348You perhaps didn't read the entire post: I did say that an NL team would have to cross over to even things out. Perhaps the Brewers will return to the AL at least temporarily.

[@alesitercrimson24]

They are never doing that. That makes the situation so much worse. Stop

[@Kevin_C_Leonard_63]

In the not too distant past they were considering contracting 2 teams, and teams have swapped leagues before (Astros and Brewers), so anything's possible if MLB is forced into it.

[@georgehand]

The Rays & my exes are holding the league back especially when it comes to expansion as we have two cities in Nashville & Salt Lake that are ready to go and I think it’s time to man up and make the hard decisions and consider contracting both the Rays & Athletics

[@deanfirnatine7814]

MLB's stubborn refusal for years and years to move these teams from failed markets that did not support them is the root of the problem.

[@rebchi]

A solution to the weather problems: Since blame should be placed on both owners, any rainouts or heat-outs, don’t make the games up. Just award the game to the visiting team and keep the schedule moving.

[@BigBlueHorses]

Utah Rays sounds pretty good

[@Aaron_R]

Wouldn't work, high elevation makes it so pitchers don't want play for team. Ask the Rockies...

[@michaelmarkowski204]

@@Aaron_R Elevation from sea level: Denver: 5,279 feet. SLC: 4,265. Still high, but not enough to dissuade MLB from going to SLC.

[@ncdad1995]

The Athletics should have never signed the 10 year extension which prevented the A's and Raiders from building a stadium. Oakland lost both the Raiders and the A's. The Ray's are playing hardball as it it is the want to test the water. Owners need to put in contracts after 20 years the stadium needs to be in the top 10 or the contract is void, see Ray Kroenke and St Louis.

[@joeshmooo5327]

Oakland is a dumpster fire, did you expect anything less from this city and county

[@geralddoeing3930]

No one cares about the Rays and Athletics cease operations

[@joeshmooo5327]

Thats the solution. Shut it down, stop feeding the weak and make everyone left stronger.

[@charliem9831]

I can’t believe MLB allowed a team to move to a minor league stadium without an actual set new stadium. Everything with Vegas is “maybe”.

[@metallicasnake]

Both teams should be contracted. They won't ever get it right and it's time to stop messing around.

[@EPiche09]

Maybe they should merge like they did in the NHL with the Northstars. I think they merged with cleavland or something.

[@michaelleroy9281]

2:00 Yes, they did back in 1978, although bad idea, you put one bag of garbage with another bag of garbage, All you get is a bigger bag of garbage

[@arthurgscholich3833]

Actually, the North Stars reached the Stanley Cup semifinals in 1980, and the final in 1981. Defeated both times by the New York Islanders' dynasty.

[@michaelleroy9281]

​@@arthurgscholich38331980, The North Stars were knocked out by the Flyers, Flyers went on to lose the Stanley Cup final to the Islanders

[@michaelleroy9281]

​@@arthurgscholich3833North Stars were beaten by Flyers in earlier round, Flyers went on to lose the Stanley Cup Final to Islanders

[@michaelleroy9281]

​@@arthurgscholich3833Not in 1980

[@AllenStehmann-wi2hx]

The Rays were forced into a similar situation as the As are in.

[@vincentv1432]

Development teams for the Yankees and Dodgers.

[@Michael-sb8jf]

Crazy idea The rays end up moving to oakland

[@rj1982ii]

The biggest difference between the Rays and the A's is the Rays is in their current situation about where to play next year is they are forced to play somewhere else due to hurricanes. The A's weren't forced by earthquakes, wildfires or any other disasters that happen in California to play somewhere else.

[@rj1982ii]

Sorry typed that before you said it.

[@katemoo9581]

I honestly hope the rays use Tampa as a leverage to build a new ballpark in Tampa

[@mikeh1242]

Should MLB be more involved with these new stadium deals and the legal structures of the deals? The Ray's deal was doomed from beginning with all the open hoops that still had to be jumped through. It looks bad for the league when these deals were built on a straw foundation.

[@ahriley91]

These rich owners love to pull the rug out from under their fans.

[@reesbritton6623]

Don’t go and don’t watch👍🏼

[@girishbatavi]

​@@reesbritton6623Yes. Fans should boycott Athletics, Angels and Pirates until they sell. They have 200million plus in revenue per year and their payroll is 10 pc of it. Make them sell

[@michaelleroy9281]

​@@girishbataviSelling a team doesn't mean the Pirates will become instant World Series Champions

[@joeshmooo5327]

What FANS? Thats the problem the majority don't care. Move the team or shut the franchise down.

[@caseycieslikowski2929]

Alameda home of the nuclear wessles.

[@jamescaron6465]

Thanks for the chuckle!

[@sedna90377]

A''s had to stay in Norcal to continue getting the TV money (NBC Sports Cal). This substantial money would not be available if they played in LV minor league park. Thus Sacramento was the only choice

[@bartphlegar8212]

The Orphan A's suffer from self-inflicted wounds, whereas Tampa - aside from the bickering with Pinellas County - have been victims of force majeur. However, all of this is the culmination of at least three decades of bungling by impotent MLB governance, and highly immature - well, everybody. Now we have reached the point of such disparity and lack of competition in Baseball that TV and streaming audiences will continue to wane, revenues will shrink, and fans of the "other" 20 to 24 teams will give up and walk away. MLB has destroyed itself. And don't be fooled by these "wow" numbers from 2024 (which really aren't that "wow" from a historical perspective). After the RSN shakeout and national contracts get renegotiated on new in-season viewership numbers, there will be panic among all of the MLB owners - including the ones now making it rain for these superstar players...Reality awaits you MLB...

[@DANZIG138]

shame montreal is wasting so much money on olympic stadium which cannot be fixed, should have abandoned and built new stadium to snag the the rays

[@GDavis49]

I’d think they’d need a team committed before dropping that kind of cash

[@michaelmarkowski204]

A few years ago, Montreal had an agreement with Sternberg to play 1/2 of the Rays home games at the Big Owe (Olympic Stadium), but MLB shot it down.

[@GDavis49]

@@michaelmarkowski204 shot down rightfully so, it was a terrible idea

[@BrandanTheBroker]

I don't think the Rays sent a hurricane to destroy their stadium and wanted to move out that fast. A's could have stayed in Oakland until the move to Vegas, Tampa had no choice. Now on the St. Pete side, I can understand that clean up needs to come first, but them pulling out the "if you play in Hillsborough we're delaying your new stadium" is garbage. I would say it's not worth fixing the roof, just start the new stadium and get put the roof money into the new stadium

[@tombraiderstrums09]

All the similarities between the two clubs are also similarities with the AZ Coyotes, as you brought up. And look how that turned out. It’s not a great look for MLB to be trying to rush into expansion when one team from the last expansion (Rays) is definitely on the ropes in their home city and the other one (Diamondbacks) has gathering storm clouds over their stadium situation. As an AZ sports fan I would be devastated to lose both the Coyotes and the Diamondbacks. These careless, ham-fisted, intractable owners are driving sports leagues into the ground. Sucks

[@ki2726]

Who cares sports teams don’t help a states economy like some would think. Fans and people should never bend over backwards for billionaire owners and their greed. Either you can afford your team as an owner or sell it to someone who can. It’s really that simple.

[@tomk.3428]

Make a statement to all of the owners. Suspend the franchises until they have a major league caliber stadium to play in. If the A’s don’t want the Oakland deal until their new home is built (or not), then they should sit. If the Rays owner is unwilling to work with the city to put the roof on the trope, then they should sit. No reason they can’t share the cost of the roof repair with the city and work out the deal later. If they started re-roofing now, would they have one 5 months from now?

[@Michael-sb8jf]

Even if they got the ball rolling on repairing the roof in Tampa the day after it the storm (ordering paths etc) Tropicana field wouldn't be ready till next season. The parts needed to replace the roof are customed ordered and with waiting lists and manufacturing it then building it the Ray's still need a temp home. The underlying problem is no one wants to actually do it and for good reason. Why waste millions of dollars when you are supposed to get a new stadium within the next 5-8 years?

[@Keith-jd7py]

Move them to Montreal and as far as the A's go they should change the name of the A's to maybe the Aces or the Vipers

[@GDavis49]

Olympic Stadium is under construction until 2028

[@andrewheitmeyer9945]

The A’s organization has 9 World Series titles and a plethora of hall of famers. No way in hell they change the name.

[@Keith-jd7py]

@@GDavis49 so see if they can't use another location until Olympic is ready

[@Keith-jd7py]

@@andrewheitmeyer9945 so what they renamed the Indians and the Redskins, moved the browns to Baltimore renamed them only to bring the browns back, and the wizards were known as the bullets before they were renamed

[@GDavis49]

@@Keith-jd7py I’ll save the hassle of looking and just say there’s zero chance they relocate to Montreal

[@JoeyJoe-f5o]

The A ,s will have a stadium before the rays

[@kthmalloy16]

Lol😂they got Fisher I doubt it. Bet that Vegas stadium is over 2 billion

[@JoeyJoe-f5o]

@ in October they tore down the Tropicana… they already began to start

[@zcorpalpha2462]

Good Interesting video

[@86byrdman]

Both situations are a black eye to MLB. This wouldn't happen in the NFL or the NBA... Imagine if an NFL team was asked to play their home games at a college football stadium or a UFL stadium temporarily for a few years or if an NBA team was asked to play at a college basketball gym/arena or a G-League team arena temporarily for a few years. They would be the joke of their league. Yeah, the Chargers played at that soccer stadium temporarily and that was kind of dumb, but still, not as bad as the A's and Rays stadium situations. But yeah, it's crazy how the stadium situations for both the A's and the Rays continue to be a problem and probably won't be resolved to possibly the end of this decade.

[@Ibhenriksen]

You're also doing a disservice to other teams playing the Rays. Why should other teams be penalized and be at an inconvenience with the schedule just because the Rays don't have a home?

[@ralphkuhn2291]

Orlando could be a landing spot for the Rays

[@alesitercrimson24]

Could work. It would be easier for fans to get there. Plus families visiting for the theme parks could also make a trip to the ballpark for the games. Similar to what will happen if the As go to Vegas with people already being there for the strip

[@ddddirge]

​@@alesitercrimson24 I heard the planned site for Orlando expansion (or relocation for the Rays) are near SeaWorld site But dunno about the expansion projects since one of the key people have died

[@SaberToothBicycle]

Seems to me, going back even before the millennium--both teams prioritized corporate games over baseball, and their fans. Of course I recognize that's a whole other discussion. Just saying.

[@THEREDHOTWRECK]

Utah literally has the means to get a team right now. If either of them don't pan out, expect a relocation to SLC and likely sale to the Larry H Miller group. My money is on the Rays leaving. Unless they build a ballpark in Tampa, I don't see this team staying in the region. As for a potential realignment? They'll move the Tigers to the AL East, and Utah will play in the Central. Cleveland might also be chosen.

[@ModMokkaMatti]

No. Utah can just go away.

[@THEREDHOTWRECK]

@ModMokkaMatti I'm afraid I had to issue the same warning to the Arizona Coyotes regarding Utah last year. If you don't build it in Tampa, the Rays are bound for Salt Lake City. 900 million for a new ballpark has already been approved.

[@ddddirge]

They won't MLB and the other owners don't want realignment if it doesn't come with expansion

[@THEREDHOTWRECK]

@ddddirge if the Rays move to Utah, they won't have the team in SLC be in the East with that kind of travel.

[@ddddirge]

@@THEREDHOTWRECK What I said is they won't let Rays relocate there If they let Rays relocate, it would be in the place that'll let them stay in AL East Likewise for A's in case Vegas deal suddenly fell through, they're gonna make sure A's stays at AL West Not before expansion, which I dunno gonna be postponed until when, if not if

[@dancahill9585]

They are both teams that are way overdue for a new stadium, and are in ballparks that are objectively among the worst ballparks in Baseball, and they have had weak fan support for decades and decades. I'm sure both teams are happy to have brought MLB to the point that they will be allowed to move from weak areas.

[@jonesyokc]

It is insane for the MLB to even think about expansion. In reality, they need to be looking at contraction. Also, Vegas is a terrible location to move a franchise to. You are denying the team a true home market. You aren't filling a stadium with locals there to root for their local team. It is a bunch of tourists there to catch a game and possibly root for the other team. Who would want to play a 162 game schedule where you never got to come home to a truly friendly fan base?

[@Matt-oq4jq]

Either one of these teams would be better suited in Buffalo, that’s a sports town with a ballpark that’s already major league quality.

[@michaelmarkowski204]

Good temporary home (seats 16,600). Need a fully-financed new ballpark plan ready to be built to be considered, and the new Bills stadium sucked up a lot of money.

[@pebmets]

The Rays are stuck in a minor league ballpark due to a circumstance beyond their control Hurricane Milton. The A's appear to have no solid plan,even Vegas is a question. In my opinion , the owner put the A's in their current position.

[@alesitercrimson24]

How is Vegas in quesiton when the site is already cleared out and ready to build? Vegas is not going to let that prime real-estate on the strip stay empty.

[@stephansaunders386]

Perfect time to move the Rays to Monterrey Mexico

[@enriqueavalos]

Sell the teams. Force sales if necessary.

[@sjsharksfan8573]

Both have questionable ownership.

[@nomercyinc6783]

the only similarity is they both have no home. thats it.

[@LannyGood]

Number one destiny glazer selling never goon shirts lmao

[@stephenhope7319]

Very unusual that Ranadive is not charging Fisher rent for Sutter Health Park for 3 years!!?? Sounds fishy so to speak.

[@cityhawk]

What do you think Ranadive is expecting in return?

[@ddddirge]

​@@cityhawk Permanent ownership of A's and/or staying permanently at Sac in case Vegas deal fell through and the shovel wouldn't be there Or gaining support for expansion after SLC

[@michaelmarkowski204]

Ranadive wants an MLB team in Sac. If the Vegas deal doesn't get done, he'll be the point man to build a new ballpark for the team, and I bet MLB approves it.

[@James9000]

Don't waste public funds for entertainment centers for billionaires end of story. No welfare for billionaires

[@kjorlaug1]

Sternburg is a more like le guy, but overall they're very similar.

[@shaindaman13]

MLB should thank their lucky stars they have the Dodgers right now to distract from this nonsense because if there were no Shohei MVP, World Series winner or Blake Snell signing to fill the sports news cycle this Mickey Mouse BS would get them ridiculed if into oblivion. What an absolute ATTOCITY it has been to let all this stuff go on. Mismanagement from top to bottom in MLB

[@katazack]

Sure, the Dodgers can buy whatever and whoever they want because of baseball's ridiculous revenue sharing policy and the lack of a salary cap. Talk about nonsense. 90 percent of the U.S. population couldn't tell you who won the World Series last month because they don't care.

[@CaptRR]

A combination of weak MLB owner, who folds to any owner like a lawn chair, and owners not willing to build their own stadiums and would rather pawn off the cost to the tax payers.

[@jmnc011]

Move the Rays to Oaktown!

[@HunterMaggiacomo]

The rays will stay and make a deal after these 81 games at home.

[@timphares3061]

The Oakland Athletics

[@dancahill9585]

Sounds like Manfred said a bunch of stupid things that had nothing at all to do with truth.

[@BoulderCityBlues]

As bad as John Fisher is and he is the worst owner in the history of sports the facts are that both the Raiders and A’s tried to get Oakland to give both a new stadium and Oakland said screw you to both so even though Fisher destroyed a team it’s Oakland politics that pushed them out ..As for the Rays, even when they are winning they don’t draw crowds so why stay ? Florida baseball is best for spring training . The Rays should go to Nashville or Montreal so they can stay in the east ..It’s Manfred who really screwed the pooch on everything and should be run out of town on a rail .. Manfred destroyed baseball

[@fandyllic1975]

Don’t call them the Athletics, just call them the post-Oakland Athletics.

[@kturetsky]

What incentive does Sacramento have letting the A's play there rent free?

[@ddddirge]

So that in case Vegas deal fell through A's would stuck at Sacramento and be permanently there Or be in the frontrunner of expansion after SLC

[@michaelmarkowski204]

Ranadive wants an MLB team in Sac and will get a new ballpark built for the A's should the Vegas deal fall through and perhaps be part-owner along with Fisher. MLB would approve it if Vegas falls through.