Gaming IQ Levels (League Players Are Smarter) | Broken by Concept 221 League of Legends Podcast

[@MrPatpuc]

I new we where the most smartest

[@MaximaleGurke]

I to

[@AsirIset]

It's probably just thanks to me.

[@mattontop]

very bick brane we are!!! lmao XD skibidi

[@jaschlit]

I am are smart too!

[@Genisys_1_3]

i are the smartlyest

[@eyesee5413]

The last story is how I tried to teach my friend's to get better 10 years ago when they were struggling. Glad to hear that you guys held the same mindset and are giving it to a huge audience. Great to see. Thanks for the great podcast!

[@SurriSama]

Riot actually does have groupings for ranked players that dont use "low elo" but still group players. Its how they do their patches and balence. Average Iron IV - Gold I (0-90 percentile) Skilled Platinum IV - Diamond III (90-99 percentile) Elite Diamond II - Challenger (99-100 percentile) Pro Top Professional Leagues (LPL, LCK, LEC, LCS, PCS, VCS)

[@NokeNoke15]

Pin this

[@orbitronsorbitrons]

Worth noting is that plat IV is no longer top 10%. Its closer to top 20% ish with the addition of Emerald and the reshuffling of ranks in this split.

[@Tobiasliese]

well but lets be real here. we shouldnt throw diamonds in a pot with challangers

[@pollenskins]

You forgot apex tiers. Also, Emerald IV was the top 10% last split

[@fadgjl840]

Elite is D1-chall, diamond is too inflated now, D2 is no longer sub 1%

[@JiangsuJester]

For chess. Below 1000 : Beginner. Between 1000-1800 : Intermediate Between 1800-2200 : Advanced Over 2200 + : Title players (Master+ League relevant) 2500+ is GM (Challenger rated)

[@majornero6577]

I don’t think the comparison is so easy. If you start learning chess as an adult you will never be a GM but that’s possible in league.

[@Kongor3nnk4nikl]

I think only really the US uses this or a similar terminology. Here in Europe we don't really look at rating too much, we talk more about age. If someone is Young and strong (often from 1800+) we talk about him being a "young talent". If someone is older and strong (above 2000), we talk about him being a "strong experienced player". We also call pretty much everyone else "Patzer". Also regardless of rating we call someone strong when he plays strong moves, even if he blunders all his games. I also remember the rating list terminology (might be pre Corona. Now that there are more players they would probably be discouraged) being more like: Below 1400 Beginner 1400-1800 Intermediate 1800-2000 Advanced 2000-2200 Experts, 2200+ Masters It's sorta similar to the league terminology. The fact that I have a different list should show that it's not that easy.

[@ArthurGenius]

and then there's Chess Engines

[@n1gtwhisper158]

1200 is 90th percentile, 1800 is 99th percentile, 2200 is 99.9th percentile

[@TeddyBearItsMe]

​@@majornero6577although true, its irrelevant. Doesnt matter if you are an adult or not, you being below 1000 is still considered a beginner.

[@coolbrotherf127]

I think an underrated AD mid is Quinn. She has good laning, good disengage, and good gank setup. She is also really good at being a roaming assassin and impacting the map. The biggest skill gap is how well someone usues her passive, but I think a lot of people could play her pretty casually on the lower ranks and so just fine on her.

[@Aceinine]

fun to play for sure, and great on paper. but her non existent wave clear makes her highly fringe and unviable vs most meta picks

[@coolbrotherf127]

@@Aceinine She has bad wave clear early on, but Tiamat into profane hydra fixes that.

[@1jzlexus240]

Great episode guys. Can I suggest doing a straw poll or something every week? Would be a cool way of interacting with the community as well as answering some of your own curiosities. Like if Curtis point of wanting more AD mids was a valid concern or not

[@tristanhicks9546]

29:09 I've been playing Pantheon as my AD pick. Very simple kit, good roam potential. Has a much different playstyle than the AP mages that I play like Ori/Hwei but if you need the AD it's strong.

[@zaphyrusm8940]

Different names for the ELO brackets: “Metal Leagues” (iron-plat) & “Gem/Gemstone Leagues” (emerald+diamond). Purely descriptive instead of degrading👍👍

[@JamesBaleLA]

Metal Elo > Gemstone Elo > Apex Elo - i like it

[@SashaClueless]

Gemstone Elo indeed sounds very pretty

[@leagueaddict8357]

There is no way to name them in a non degrading way since anyone below dia is just bad at the game unarguably.

[@orbitronsorbitrons]

​@@leagueaddict8357Incredibly useless mindset lol

[@JamesBaleLA]

@@orbitronsorbitrons guys whole identity is probably build around being a diamond player lol

[@dumpsterplayer2700]

As you guys said in the video. the study only had 1000 participants, not 1000 participants per game, so its possible some games only had about 20 players for example Therefore it's indicative but not very concrete. Additionally the test was done via survey, which has sampling bias' , as the type of people who respond to a survey are not randomly selected. and also the test was done online, which is less reliable. Therefore I would NOT trust these results 120 IQ Average is quite high, and that's the "average" league player. There is no way that's true unless it was flooded with Koreans. Keep in mind the global average is 100 Note the average IQ of Physics Graduate is 130, which is very high. But I don't think we have many of them in Iron or bronze.

[@JSNDragon]

It was a voluntary study with 1000 participants taken from a Bingo website. The IQ tests were also remote IQ tests that are notoriously inaccurate.

[@yourusername4167]

The real IQ test is believing that this is a valid scientific survey.

[@e.karakaev7446]

As a natural sciences physics graduate, radiant valorant, and emerald league player you have successfully flattered my ego

[@yungbased]

I don't think it's a stretch, it's a bit more than a standard deviation, you find a couple of people of that IQ in any school class. Players of average games are a bit above average already, put league having a bit of a learning curve on top and it's reasonable

[@dumpsterplayer2700]

@@yungbased the average japanese person has IQ of 112. That's less than 1SD. Yes you will find a couple of people of that IQ in any class, and they are all playing league? But not Fifa or call or duty like most gamers?

[@coolbrotherf127]

54:00 As someone who also came over from Smite before playing League, just because it's a MOBA doesn't mean it translates to League very well. There's so many differences like the fundamentally different controls and item system that any knowledge before from Smite doesn't really help that much. It's like moving from hockey to soccer. They both have teams and some goals to score in, but the games are played in such a different way even though basic concepts like passing are shared. For someone who is still level 67, I imagine that he's still learning how to control his champion smoothly not to mention all the other aspects of the game. I took me many thousands of hours of playing ADCs over the last 4 years to develop good micro and the intuition of when and how to dodge skill shots and at what range to tether various champions. For the first year of playing, I don't think I could even auto attack and move at the same time without feeling overwhelmed in a bot lane 2v2. I think he's absolutely correct that right now he's has experience gap between himself and even the other bronze players he's against. Just because they are bronze doesn't mean they aren't trying to play their best and win their ranked games. Many of them have been playing for years and can play above a bronze level but are just really inconsistent with their decision making. Personally, I think it's perfectly fine just to play normals for the first few months to learn the basics of the game and develop some champion mastery in a less stressful environment. At a bronze level, the difference beteen learning the game in ranked and in normals isn't that much. Jumping into ranked later with a better understanding of how the game works will make the process at lot less painful.

[@Lkabss]

I went to play smite as a long time league player. Ran it down with ratatoskr every single game man

[@multicrogamer]

Average global IQ should be 100 or 100 makes no sense. Average US IQ is 98 which is much more reasonable then 90. Highest average nation IQ is Japan with 112 as of right now which is actually huge difference on average. Usually IQ is calculated with SD 15 (standard diviation 15 points). When SC2 was measured it was top followed by LoL closely but this is specifically modern study.

[@LuccasGabrielMirandadeSo-qw1tc]

Funny enough, Japanese players suck ass in league.

[@nandoborchardt4327]

I was about to comment that sc2 would probably outrank league

[@ArkeniusTV]

The way IQ test is developed is its different in each country, with 100 being average. Average not being 100 means test is not valid and wasnt optimized for the country IQ test in Africa will have average 100, IQ test in US will have average 100. The reason IQ test was created is to compare general level to deviations

[@multicrogamer]

@@nandoborchardt4327 It is very heavy on attention span. No seconds to do nothing when game starts

[@multicrogamer]

@@ArkeniusTV If you compare results globably you can make country differences. I don't know which organisation has standardised tests but i assume that's how they do it.

[@justinspice3599]

Gold to Plat, or even Emerald 4 should be categorized as Mid- Elo, because it’s a totally different world than Silver and below but just as different from high Emerald up, it really needs its own category when speaking in broad terms

[@ohdrluwhao]

I haven't watched the video yet but from what I can see that study is very.... to put it blunt very useless, their study has zero defined true methodology and very low amount of players analysed, what if all the studied league players are high elo? what if the all the rocket league players are low elo? There needs to be a structure for it to work without it being inconsistent or if there was the user reading the study needs to be aware of it. I find it very very hard to believe high level rocket league players would have "90" IQ average. Just look at any high level rocket league montage.

[@CalaTec]

In short, this video is as accurate and insightful as your comment according to you. Which is a lot to say given that you wrote all of this without watching, so I answered without reading.

[@ohdrluwhao]

@@CalaTec I dont know maybe I read the article before the video dropped and knew what they were talking about in the first section? Your just saying this for a reaction so I'll ignore you now.

[@rosa-9933]

@@CalaTecyou understand what a source is right?

[@CalaTec]

@@rosa-9933 why does it matter? Source can be anything. If you mean reliable source, is something different. Source: my balls.

[@Freakattaker]

52:02 I tried learning Eternal Return (a battle royale MOBA) a couple of times and even when I play a really simple straight forward ADC in that game with limited mechanics and have a really rough outline of how to play the macro, 98% of my losses/deaths in that game are pretty much just from getting knowledge gapped of not knowing what my opponent's or ally's characters do. I've ended bottom of Master as a JG main ADC 2ndary for the last couple of splits in NA and I got stuck in Bronze on the KR server in that game LMAO. Never underestimate the importance of knowledge checks in a MOBA.

[@TheTimtam112]

I think the biggest issue with AD mids currently, is that their items are just not great. Because their items aren't great numerically, more of their power needs to be extracted from the champion itself. Because OTPs are the only players able to extract enough power from their champions, only OTPs can reliably make them work. I think a big reason why AD mids have such poor items is because lethality is too generic. If lethality is strong for assassins, it's too strong for ad ranged champions. With crit only working on AAs and lethality working on AAs and abilities, I dont think there's a world where there can be a balance. Lethality should be restricted to abilities only, just like crit is restricted to AAs only. There can be exceptions ofc, but it should be an exception

[@huuREG]

There is no such thing as a "Black myth wukong" player. the game just came out lol? They just happened to be playing that game when the test was conducting? Seems like a pretty stupid study but maybe im missing some crucial info.

[@Zolti14]

It's literally just because the game is disproportionately popular with Asians

[@wolfgangiii4719]

The study is fake, the original source for the "study" is a gambling site. It was just a fake article to draw traffic.

[@m54354]

Its a singleplayer game that u can beat between 60 and 80h, so I don't think it matters if the game came out a few months ago or a dozen years ago. But yes overall this does not reflect the truth.

[@HamsterPants522]

I agree. I would call myself an Elden Ring player, but that's because I've sunk thousands of hours into it.

[@CollectorVX]

of course this has value. Playing black myth wukong means you are the kinda person that would pick up such game and actually play for more than 15min. The choice to play or not play a game can itself already mean something. The sample size makes this study useless but why would the age of a game matter

[@MakZkovich]

The only reason for these IQ scores is that ADCs don't know how to take a survey

[@Manifibell]

I don't want to spend time leveling a second account, to learn a new champion. But I do agree that going into a game on something you have no clue about is bad, I do that myself:s If it were possible to have different MMRs based on champions, that would work, but now the whole draft part of the game has to change. So it is a hard problem to fix, at least with the minimal effort I have given it.

[@DJ_Treu]

GM in chess requires 2800-3800 you start at 900-1000 after your first game (At least the league i went to when i was in HS did) GM = Challenger Theres: Low/Beginner - Mid - High - Masters - GM Iron to silver is low Gold to em 4 is mid EM 3 - D1 high M-GM = Masters Challenger = GM

[@christianowens4104]

I find Counter Strike being so high up pretty fascinating, because that community fights tooth and nail for the most toxic community spot, definitely up there with LoL and a lot of other commonly mentioned toxic games.

[@michael-jl1wz]

I've played lol and csgo for thousands of hours. Maybe cuz league has no vc but it's feels way more toxic. league gets me way more angry

[@christianowens4104]

@@michael-jl1wz I played about 300 hours, and I got called the n-word at least a dozen times in that span, so I disagree personally.

[@karenwang313]

I've got 3000 hours in counterstrike and I don't think I've ever heard the gamer word. Counterstrike toxicity is people being edgy, while leagues toxicity comes from rage. I'll take cs any day.

[@christianowens4104]

@@karenwang313 That's insane to me. I literally heard it the first day I played. And that's just the n-word, heard plenty of other shit too.

[@whiskeyhotell]

Intelligence =/= Toxicity level

[@JamesBaleLA]

In my head the different elos are grouped like: low elo: iron, bronze average elo: silver, gold, plat high elo: E4-D3 Apex elo: D2 - Chall

[@leagueaddict8357]

D3 vs E4 skill diff is so massive even D4 vs D3 in D4 people stand on kata daggers, in D3 most people don't do that.

[@auramaster13]

Psychology student here. I have run my own research studies before, 1000 people is a decent sized study. While it is far from conclusize a vast majority of studies go: gizen our data initiatial findings would suggest X to be true. Also given a statistically analysis on the study there is a good likelihood that the study results would be statistically significant findings given the base alpha of .05

[@criticalrevel]

1k ppl in total, not 1k ppl per game, it is also not known what the distribution among said games is

[@deecupine]

The problem isn't the sample size it's the lack of peer review or methodology

[@HopefullyCynical]

As an Ori/Viktor twotrick, I would love an AD control mage. If a character is ad, they are either melee carries like yasuo/yone, or they are assassins, and neither of those playstyles appeals to me.

[@Agdem_]

Corki/Varus/Graves/Tristana are all AD and can be played mid with a similar play-style. Tristana is more of an AA champion, but you get the point.

[@HopefullyCynical]

@@Agdem_ Maybe in lane they are similar, but none of those characters can control space like a control mage. Smokescreen is sorta like an Ori ball or Viktor w but not really in my opinion

[@nerotv7262]

Just by the Timestamp Titles I know: this is a great episode!

[@Aanenk]

yall def made my day off the IQ thing lol. It does make sense though, especially VS other games

[@Playthrough_Pulse]

thumbnail goes hard

[@dustinstephan4523]

The term i hate being generally used is INTing as it insinuates the the player is playing bad on purpose even if they are just playing poorly or the opponent played better. I would rather be called bad or outplayed than inting because of the insinuation of me basically trying to lose which is extremly rude

[@Celmondas]

I'd probably say something like Iron-Silver is the Casual Tier, Gold-Plat is ambitious, Emerald-Diamond is commited and Master+ is apex tier. I think that would describe the reality of players climbing to this tier. Also you could put Gold 4 into casual for all the players that just get their for the skin

[@steveverdugo8106]

Im trying to find the source the article uses, it links back to another article that has no source.

[@angryyordle4640]

Just wanna leave here that IQ is largely also nurtured. You can learn for IQ tests and especially early education plays a huge role

[@vokuhila6913]

jayce looks broken when zeus is playing him

[@AzraelRuin]

Yes.

[@DizzyDisco93]

They couldn't work with redstone, so they didn't even try adding minecraft smh

[@hollowsloth3]

It is funny when they talk about elo brackets and go through what their brackets are and then say "if only there was a name for them, we have to come up with something." Luckily, Riot has already done this! lol. Another great episode to listen to today!

[@MontiausdemOff]

Theres no way that the average iq in the US is 89. IQ follows a distributed normally, with its peak at 100. A standard deviation is 15, so 89 seems very low. This is most likely a typo and the average iq in the US is actually 98. Theres no way a developed country like the US has such a low average iq.

[@Xerces130]

You'd be surprised, theres a reason US is called richest 3rd world country

[@dumpsterplayer2700]

"Argument for ADC, where is my AP champions" => Nathan Mott. Kaisa, Kogmaw, Twitch, Smolder, Varus ? Then you have all the Mid mages that could be played as AD Veigar, Ziggs, karthus

[@randysangarr]

Should i continue to one trick asol after the upcoming nerfs?

[@lanceeverett5221]

"low elo" I think is better characterized as unorganized league, not so closely tied to a tier. Its the game being played with a coordinated level of macro, based on team comp, game conditions, etc.

[@aandrewlin]

For easy AD mids you are forgetting about Pantheon. Wukong seems good mid too.

[@VideosSobreHabbo]

how can I send a message to be read on the podcast?

[@eyeballpaul2403]

Might want to put eve online players at the top of the list also

[@alt6952]

afaik in overwatch they call plat to bronze metal ranks

[@dojadoug]

A lot of mid laners in my game casually play Yasuo they just almost always lose on it. 😂 On the topic of "or you just play 2v2 AP mid jungle" Phreak has tried to make this a lot more viable. Rather than adding AD mids he's made magic resist much harder to itemize. Merc Treads are the most expensive and give lower MR. He's added really strong MR debuff on Abyssal Mask to make heavy AP comps more viable.

[@SinnerBeforeGod]

Hey that was probably me. I'm not casually playing Yasuo i'm getting sweaty trying to min-max, but its not going well rn for some reason :(

[@wesleyhughes3731]

Im plat/enerald and started learning to play adc as a top main. And am getting my shit kicked un by silvers

[@Vincentlabz]

Hey guys, Vincent here, from the mailbag. Love your input on the situation, I'll absolutely try to change my view on SoloQ. It's absolutely true, I always feel like I have no choice but to carry, beat the laner, protect the jungler and feed the botlane. If one of those conditions aren't filled, I absolutely feel bad. It's for sure reflecting in my gameplay. So I guess i'll just get back to fundamentals again and practice as a humble platinum player trying to grind to diamond. I hadn't thought about this aspect of the ranking system balancing itself out, but that absolutely makes sense in my case. It also kind of bring me peace of mind knowing I'm now just plat and have to get better and not thinking about my stuck account. Thank you, keep up the good work (To be honest, I would have hated league if you guys didn't explain it the way you do in your podcast. Thank you for that.)

[@coolbrotherf127]

Yeah, all you need to do is your job is each game. There's no pressure to carry every game.

[@H4licarnassus]

I like this list my favourite games are at the top and my least favourite games are at the bottom.

[@veo16]

High IQ is required to play true solo queue ladders. Anything that allows a duo queue, where you can "cheat" the system by playing with friends, by playing with comms outside of ingame comms, will always be a lesser game. The best games in these categories have been 1v1 arenas like Quake. Or Teamfight Tactics. Starcraft II. And the hardest game in this category - Warcraft 3. As for multiplayer games, hardly any exist these days. As developers all eventually cave in to allowing duos and 5-stacks. Rather than creating a separate matchmaking queue for people who want to play together.

[@Agdem_]

High IQ is not required. Look at Dantes. This guy hit challenger and he has no concept of macro and only got there because of how good his mechanics are on Hecarim.

[@L9nexah]

​@@Agdem_ there is no way you just said he hit CHALL with "0 macro just mechanics" juste because he's edgy on stream for entertainment

[@moresah]

I don't care about iq, just be nice to each other.

[@leagueaddict8357]

Ok you dummy.

[@thethinker2688]

A sample size of 1000 is actually above many of the sample size requirements for statistical testing. But what do I know I'm a league player. *Neanderthal Keyboard Noises*

[@indefinitearc]

Apex Gem metal ranks idk thought of this in like 3 seconds

[@thtguyericcc1811]

My lux jungle last game begs to differ

[@arimbaud7547]

we are truly build different

[@Kalsimir]

To be honest IQ is such a poor marker of intelligence that this study doesn’t mean much to me. I think for most players their game intuition decides their rank until they decide to take the game seriously and really focus on reviewing their performance. As with most things in life, the person who studies rigorously and displays discipline will probably get the furthest

[@naNyxxZ]

as a plat player... emerald and down is low elo x.x

[@WIZA327]

I feel like gp should be a mid laner instead of top

[@CritiqueCS]

This article is statistically flawed on so meny levels lmfao. 1.002 is a absurdely low amount to represent the entire gaming community, especially since their assuming that all correspondants are completely isolated in the game. Well nevertheless, guess im the smartest person on the planet. Also the average iq is 98 in the US, not 89,8.

[@AzraelRuin]

Yeah. The study is flawed in more ways than can even be reasonably described. It really shouldn't exist. But I would have liked if Curtis and Nathan knew a little bit about stats or psychology before making this video to begin with. Anyone with any slightly scientific background at all could look at this study for 5 seconds and tell you why it's extremely poor quality. They could have watched a 10 minute KZbin vid on IQ and IQ tests before hand, and they would have been able to answer most of their own questions.

[@CritiqueCS]

@@AzraelRuin IQ is a weird descriptor in general. Its good for populations and describing general ability, but theres a Fload of variance on it. so u need a large sample size.

[@AzraelRuin]

@@CritiqueCS Yeah, that's one very clear problem at minimum, right? Even without going any deeper, the sample alone is beyond flawed. This study really cannot show us much of anything with how poorly it was conducted.

[@Vortex_Tornado]

At 41:30 curtis recognizes that the study is (probably) bad because of the sample size so I don't think he's taking the results too seriously

[@CritiqueCS]

@@Vortex_Tornado Ohh curtis isnt stupid at all, i think he knows. Its moreso that its a bit late in the video and the title is a lil too clickbaity for me personally. Depends on the viewer retention metrics till that point. Maybe I would have mentioned it a bit earlier :) But it's all fun and games! litteraly :P

[@leagueaddict8357]

So, in Chess people usually use the numbers but from an 1849 Blitz 3+0 player's perspective, I also got to 1820 on Rapid, but I lost interest as the games took a bit too long, I already calculated everything, then my opponent spends 2min just thinking in the opening. Anyhow from my perspective, below 1500 = bad fails to simple tactics, if not will blunder a piece during the opening or slightly after. above 1500 = decent, you can get into an endgame if you decide to trade down all pieces against them where they will blunder, but that is simply not a good strategy. Then for 1800 it feels like sometimes you face a 2000, another time you face a 1500 but there simply are less blunders, and more inaccurate moves or mistakes I would however say for me specifically beating a 2000 is easier than beating another 1800, I just have an easier time against opponents slightly stronger, I beat a couple NM/FM players, but when it starts to be above 2000 it becomes difficult to even draw sometimes.

[@AccordZeroGG]

isnt low elo our auto pilot rating, its super subjective but its super toxic i agree

[@Otyrr]

The LoL community. The only community that you can tell them they are the smartest and they'll laugh at you.

[@SinnerBeforeGod]

Its because we've all had that one player on our team that CHOOSES to leave the team after you've just won a team fight to go farm a jungle camp/side lane--when the rest of the team is going to either end the game or otherwise get a free game winning objective, but it goes horribly wrong or is made impossibly harder because that one player decided to turn his brain off lol

[@Agdem_]

Also just wanted to make a point about how even the larger figures in the community are promoting smurfing, which is absolutely toxic for the game. Imagine you are an F1 Driver and you're really good at Monza, but struggle at the Red Bull Ring. If my skill level at a given track is low, is it okay for me to suddenly drop into F2 or even F3, while still using my F1 car, so i can still fight for the win at the Red Bull Ring? At the end of the day, you are smurfing because you want to avoid the challenge of learning in a more competitive environment. Smurfing doesn't benefit you in any way. Play normal games if you want to learn a new champion. Don't ruin other people's skill brackets, because even if your mechanics aren't as good on a new champion, your game knowledge is still far better.

[@CommentBanana]

you guys are mistaken off the bat. The IQ system was created as 100 being the average.

[@shawtynoikilpeople3905]

The test is made with the goal of 100 being the average. In reality, it varies around that point. It’s still higher than what they stated though

[@michaeldenzelpioquinto3237]

Play noc mid just give him more mana regeneration and he’ll be stable mid

[@butterflyfx57]

Ironically LoL being filled with intelligent people could contribute to toxicity of the game. Smart people are often critical of others and have a tendency to become pessimistic when they realize things are going poorly. In general, smart people arent happy and unhappy people are more likely to be toxic. That is if this were true. I have my doubts due to the small sample size of this study.

[@darnellafrance3591]

fifa being at the bottom is what makes the most sense. would expect more rts games on this list tho

[@Agdem_]

Yet a league player would suck at FIFA, iRacing, Valorant, CS, Rocket League. So why does this IQ argument even matter? It serves no point other than to be an elitist and protest that you are better than someone else for the sake of building your own ego.

[@Cj-cv4wb]

Don't ask me how I know but you can hit gold with 5 csm if you have poise.

[@getnis-m6g]

the world average iq for people who don't know, is 100. it is defined that way. for the US to have an average iq of 90 it must have (based on what is tested) a ridiculously poor education system

[@theebulll]

Sorry for dragging our community down a few points 👀

[@linusgooss282]

miss 3v3 aswell

[@dylanmarino7486]

What about StarCraft iq?

[@forestrussell-yount1355]

now do 2k players

[@AzraelRuin]

You mean 10k?

[@TylerAyyy]

@@AzraelRuin NBA 10k doesn't come out for another 8000 years.

[@bigbeanboy1329]

I havent watched the video yet but i can tell ya right now that mine is looooowwww

[@pastaisyummy1110]

Coach Curtis forgot about Akshan,,, we're suffering out here in the forgotten graveyard

[@coolbrotherf127]

Akshan is still pretty much a one trick champion. He's pretty mechanically demanding.

[@violetly_]

You mention early on that people with high iq wouldn't want to play a game like league because it's not relaxing, that's very untrue from my experience. I don't really have an off switch (neither do the other highly intelligent people in my life), and i have no interest in playing a game that isn't mentally challenging and engaging. League is the one of the few games that both feels good to play and is challenging with an competitive elo system (chess are csgo were the others, dota doesn't feel as responsive and smooth as league does imo)

[@benhughes5308]

This "study" is almost worthless. Performed by a bingo site with no rigour. If they presented their methods, sampling strategy, remuneration, along with detailed results and analysis it could be reasonable, but the assumption has to be that they didn't do these things.

[@FK-le7wg]

Why can't people just play normals to learn new champions?

[@ctan2504]

RIOT break their own ranked ladder when they allowed to put new accounts into the middle of the player base in the system. That's why most of the ranks feels meaningless and seen as low elo, at least that's my opinion. Also this is what I see the source of badly balanced machmaking, low game quality, and most importantly, big part of the player's frustration.

[@111vincento]

my guy new accounts, since ranked first began, have ALWAYS started out in the middle. the reason you arent above them is because you dont beat them. they beat you.

[@AzraelRuin]

@@111vincento Yup. And 99% of new accounts you'll ever see are just bought accounts people use to smurf with. If a new account gets ranked highly, it's because the system is assessing their mmr accurately and understands that they're a smurf account. That's good for the game... obviously.

[@ctan2504]

@@111vincento Your argument is just as thorough and accurate as your ability to estimate someones rank from a comment on youtube or be able to read and process something without mixing your refelction of yourself in it. I don't know who hurt you, or why you think this is the way how you need to express yourself, but I wish you the best.

[@Obzerver]

A few years ago they made it so new accounts always start in iron. Did they change this recently?

[@AzraelRuin]

@@Obzerver That has never been a thing. And if it was somehow, it definitely hasn't been for a very long time.

[@JordianLoL]

Feel like you are a bit lost in the sauce about playing different champions on a smurf. Smurfing is ruining games lol. Whether you smurf or play on your main, you will be ruining games. I think the best approach is simply playing 10-20 normal games with a new champion and then going to your main account. Unless it's like a different role you can't play. You really don't need a smurf account especially for champions in the same role you play. You don't need to first time in ranked either, normal games are fine for just getting started and learning the basics of a new champion. Then switch back to ranked. For entirely new roles, smurf accounts are probably going to be best though. If you are Emerald+

[@GarredGaming]

I'm a naafiri main. It can be played 4 roles top, jg, mid, and I've been playing it most in ADC. I go electrocute, taste of blood, and biscuits with TP, Flash. And the most important thing todo is build Tear + 2 Pot The playstyle has a lot of things a regular adc wants. Like a low hp pool, that makes pots and small heals mean more, coming from 4 sources (q,taste of blood, biscuits, pots) not to mention supports can heal too, who are also good at setting up naafiri, allowing for good champion combos. But I think the biggest thing Naafiri ADC can do is win the draft as a first blind pick. As long as your team doesn't rage at you, your team can easily counter the enemy, giving them favorable/ or comfortable matchups. And often the enemy team Just counterpicks themselves. Idk, it's my fav thing to do, and given how little info there is on this champ, and that she is easy to play, I'd figure I'd share. It's the perfect AD Champ

[@kaleidoscope942]

whats your rank playing nafiri adc?

[@Agdem_]

@@kaleidoscope942 Same question I'm asking, "best AD champ" recommendation from someone who has to be lower than Gold.

[@GarredGaming]

@kaleidoscope942 I've been playing it since gold4 all the way up to emerald 2, for about 200 games.

[@kaleidoscope942]

@@GarredGaming duo or no duo?

[@GarredGaming]

@kaleidoscope942 I can understand why youd ask that. But no duo. The champ has many tools to be successful in bot, as I stated in main comment, and can also scale well even into some tankier enemy comps because of the amount of gold generation you gain with tiamat, and symbiote boots, and the OVERKILL nature of the champ paired with Low Cooldown spells, make her a solid carry, with low deaths, and OVERALL throws the enemy team in confusion. You'll get a lot of typers just pissed that they don't know how it works in the bot lane, mainly saying "oh you couldn't make it work elsewhere" when I was just thinking, it would work best botlane

[@MarianneRousseau-d8d]

The real question would be « why do we have to have ad champs in mid ?? » Ap are just that weak in general ? … curious to know your thoughts about that.

[@Rob-rf2xx]

I love you guys

[@mattvaughn8525]

This conversation is so annoying. We aren't any smarter than COD players just like we aren't any smarter than a farmer. IQ is so misleading because people can be intelligent in so many different ways and gaming is a HOBBY. It literally makes no difference in the real world whether or not you think you're really smart for playing league. It's like when metal music listeners honestly believe they are smarter than other music fans. Arrogant!!!

[@Agdem_]

THIS

[@xXG3TPWNEDXx]

That is a funny attempt at copium. Let's be honest, this study is probably quite biased and almost certainly artificial. I'd assume the accuracy and honesty of this to be quite low. (until proven otherwise) You can't possibly make a claim like this without sufficient evidence. This has next to no evidence other than words we are to take at face value- which is not evidence. That's already too dubious for me to take seriously.

[@Agdem_]

It doesn't matter in any way, shape or form, other than people trying to be elitists that want to feed their ego. Knowledge is infinite, even "high IQ" people would struggle in a setting they aren't used to, and most people aren't playing the other games used in the study as a full-time job like people do with League of Legends. The demographic and reason people are playing the game in the first place is completely different. It's like trying to say Football is a better sport than Basketball, everyone knows that argument goes nowhere before even having to start. It's the same with this assertion.

[@Zolti14]

All this study actually does, is tell you that black myth wukong tends to be played by mostly Asians, while games like fifa are played by mostly Latinos and Africans. Low sample size study explicitly conducted to generate pop-science click bait.

[@lolshattered]

Can you guys react to league TikTok’s pt2 that episode was cinema

[@themanhimself436]

I THINK ITS TIME TO PLAY A DIFFERENT GAME HEAD TOO BIG

[@petercserkuthy3292]

i play irelia and gp as ad mid, it takes time to get to a good level withthat 2 but IMO talon is kinda good ad mid. And for the returning player mmr issue, my friend who is diamond 4 on flex and playing a lot of draft vs diamond/master lobbys and winning got gold 4 as solo duo after 3 years of unranked solo duo,before that he was like gold for the skin, but had plat mmr ( placements got him to gold and then left it, because skin was already achieved) and smased a full gold 4-3 lobby with me who is a plat1 right now and last split emerald 2 , so our average mmr is gold 4 I guess.

[@Freakattaker]

The engagement bait levels to put DotA below LoL go willlllddddd

[@liamflan9553]

lol is way more difficult than dota

[@Freakattaker]

@@liamflan9553 I never said if one's harder than the other just it does look baity to have one below the other either way. They're kinda different games in the type of skills that are expressed at the highest level tbh.

[@Agdem_]

This type of argument is made in such bad faith, to begin with. Everyone has various interests and that comes along with it's own unique set of challenges, this applies to eSports as well. You wouldn't argue that one player-base is more intelligent than the other, in the same way you wouldn't argue that League of Legends is straight up "better" than Counter-strike. There's a term for this called elitism. If you have to put others down to put yourself on a pedestal, in general, you're probably already heading in the wrong direction, ideologically. Counter-strike is a completely different game that requires different skills compared to League. The scenes are also not even close to being in the same place in terms of development. League has been the most popular eSport for almost two decades now. They have on-demand coaching -- you can just drop $10 and have someone sit in on your game to help you attack the knowledge curve that has heavily compounded over those years. What other eSports scene has this type of easy access to educational resources? I would hope that League of Legends has the highest IQ players based on that alone, if not, there would be something wrong. Also, aptitude tests are bullshit anyways. Someone can have a complete understanding of a certain subject becoming an expert on it but be completely lost in a different setting. How does a simple IQ test really capture that at all? All IQ tests give away is how good you are at memorizing abstract knowledge from a textbook. Which in my experience, isn't actually that applicable to what you will run into in REAL life.

[@luufia]

Bad list , deadlock isnt a game tht exists :)

[@glenndiddy]

The correct take is bottom 1-25% is low elo, 26-75% is mid elo, top 76-99% is high elo and top 1% is the apex

[@AzraelRuin]

LOL. Not even close. If you're not trolling, please explain why you think this is a good way to do it.

[@drjamaymay405]

@@AzraelRuin How is he supposed to respond? You didn't identify the problem, you just said that it's wrong and you're stupid.

[@glenndiddy]

@@AzraelRuin That's simply because that's how it works in every single normal distribution. Bottom 25 is low top 25 is high middle 50 is average

[@AzraelRuin]

@@glenndiddy Yep. You're right. But you can't use a normal distribution like that for League ranks. It isn't practical, and it isn't useful.

[@zeldafan9656]

@@AzraelRuinSpecifically what about the 1-25, 26-75, 76-99 distribution makes you find it impractical? What distribution do you think makes more sense?

[@unforgivn82]

Well let's be real, league is basically a more intense version of chess. You have to memorize champs kits, how they interact with all the other champs then also look for pattern recognition in human players to find their mistakes and capitalize over the meta response. Those patterns are what separate avg players and challenger players. Once you get the basics down, macro and mechanics. Patterns make you top tier. Its more intense chess. Not surprising at all that top league players are high iq with chess. Those who rate high in league probably have high problem solving and logical thinking. I would also imagine those who chase higher ranks are probably also successful off the rift. That drive typically translates to life.

[@Zolti14]

Ya, dude, it is very clear you have never competitively played chess if you're making that comparison.

[@AzraelRuin]

Yup. Regardless of the poorly done study, pure observation and understanding alone could easily tell you that performing well at a high level in League requires a fuck ton of skills and intelligence. You can play League while being not very intelligent, but that doesn't often translate well to being good at the game or reaching high ranks. The ranks of silver and below basically exist to just gatekeep people who really shouldn't be playing League in the first place in terms of what the game actually requires.

[@unforgivn82]

@@Zolti14 I have actually, and it correlates whether you want to admit it or not. But agree to disagree.

[@unforgivn82]

@@AzraelRuin agreed

[@AzraelRuin]

@@Zolti14 High level chess is extremely hard. High level League is much harder.

[@kagami27]

how delusional and insecure do you have to be to believe this? lmao we've all played this game and we know very well this is not true 🙃

[@scarlight8151]

i know the thumbnail prolly isnt serious, but dota is well over league especially considering the brutal floor to learn the game

[@dumpsterplayer2700]

As a former Dota2 player (Around Divine), I would agree. Dota2 requires taking in many more factors simultaneously than league, however I would say the factors that league does have, you need to know in more depth. For example, the "ADC" role needs to take into account not only lane farm, but jungle farm and getting the cycles in sync, such that they stack the big camps for extra gold while farming another camp, all while smoke of deceit exists, so you have to be hyper aware where the enemy team are on the map. So it's kind of like in Dota2 you need to be a good at like 50 things to climb and in League you can get away with being really good at 25

[@JamesBaleLA]

I feel like dota is more complicated from a macro and game knowledge standpoint but league takes a lot more to master mechanically and outplay in terms of mechanics. League plays faster from my experiences. I’ve not played much dota but that’s been my general experience as a league player.

[@garagavia]

Spoken like a true dota player 😂

[@yGKeKe]

@@dumpsterplayer2700 DotA also has an actual onboarding system that hand holds people into learning all of the games mechanics. League doesn't have that. To learn league you actually have to figure the fucking shit out from scratch.

[@scarlight8151]

@@garagavia i dont play much dota anymore. game is unironically too much for me lmao. id rather just play league

[@mycaravanwasrobbed-vp9he]

ROFL

[@balling6919]

I play smodler jungle

[@RemixafiedHits]

Let's goo

[@dracuhl8342]

Duh

[@djwnegima]

it's a remote IQ test so it doesn't mean anything ^^

[@carcosa_tyrant9444]

Lmao this is just crap data. Also most league players are subhuman. Go into low elo and watch literally any interaction. Someone will type in chat they are going to int and then run it down 19 times, and then someone else will randomly go 'wait why is mid so fed??' League players lack any concept of object permanence or continuity.

[@isaacmurphy6703]

Or are just understandably not paying attention.

[@SpinninWaffle]

tyrant

[@joyuming8365]

not to be stereotypical but could it possibly be because league has a lot of asian players? ...

[@glenndiddy]

They should have also put in a non 1 game andy group. I honestly still don't understand why people would choose to only play 1 game forever

[@AzraelRuin]

You're correct that the study is terribly performed, analysed, and discussed. But games like League can literally be played every day for your entire life and not get boring. Why would that be a bad thing?

[@glenndiddy]

@@AzraelRuin Because there are so many amazing experiences to be had in the world of gaming, that just limiting yourself to 1 game seems like a damn shame

[@AzraelRuin]

@@glenndiddy Sure. If that works for a person and is more enjoyable, then go ahead. But people work differently. That shouldn't have to be said.