5 Things You Should Never Do In A Dual Clutch Transmission Vehicle!

[@A_Wolf]

1. 00:48 taking foot off brake on a hill. 2. 1:48 putting into nuetral at a stop light 3. 3:10 dont creep forward 4. 4:14 how you shift while braking or accelerating 5: 6:28 how you launch

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yup all the points covered ;)

[@IamCool824]

​@@BrosFOURRSpeedthx, my 1st car is going to be a dct. Hopefully it does survive like 10+ years 😂

[@Benmu2182]

You definitely forgot the most important tip: Never shift to drive from reverse white the vehicle is moving. 🤔 Try it - it will give you a nail biting grind!

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yea I would agree with that, come to a complete stop to do that.

[@betodlr749]

That's pretty much on any transmission!

[@250tsar]

You don’t understand how many people I’ve seen switching to reverse and vise versa when parking etc. and still be in motion

[@PETEYBOY954]

You mean race mode,

[@nikoladamjanovic2313]

@@betodlr749 not on a powerlide, c6 or th400

[@pikkagtr1942]

A lot of the info is GTR specific BMW DCTs do not perform the same way In manual mode the car will not creep forward, and on a hill with foot off brakes, it will actually roll forward/backwards depending on the incline/decline You would have to tap the brakes to engage forward creep mode, it's essentialy in Neutral bottom line is it acts just like a manual would unless you engage forward assist and or in gear

[@Baerchenization]

And even then I am not sure it is the right advice, at least for all. Porsche's PDK also starts creeping and there it is a "feature" that it will even start creeping on a slight uphill. Also, e.g. in the newer 911 turbo, it will actually slip between gears to save fuel.

[@joepeluso3864]

Your car has anti roll back feature, you need to push brake harder it will hold for a couple of seconds.

[@Whiffer18]

Brian... I think it's a manual transmission that's automatically shifted. I believe the official nomenclature is, semi-automatic manual.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Doug yeah technically that’s true. It is a manual but the computers do the actual work

[@AutoSoviet]

Bros FOURR Speed manual has 1 clutch. So duct is kinds hybrid

[@vid2ification]

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[@almightyalan8942]

y'all are a bunch of noobs it's pronounced bulbasaur

[@Slow.S55]

@@vid2ification Yeeee them dct Ford Focus were shit

[@Lilxspeed]

With Bmw when you let off the brakes at a stop the car won’t move or engage gear until you press the gas then you feel it grab the clutch and the car starts off in manual mode which I like

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

guwop will I’ve noticed that in the M4. I like that touch. Reminds me of driving and old school single clutch car

[@Lilxspeed]

Bros FOURR Speed sadly a lot people complain about it but I love it I hope bmw doesn’t change it

[@Diioooonn]

Yeah i like it that way

[@barron204]

I never knew about the hill start issue. Makes sense. I drove a few VWs with DSG (Transporter, Golf) and they would rattle very loudly on hill starts and in wet conditions when there was a chance of wheel slipping. The weight and stress would cause the clutches to slip and I get that now.

[@madmanmoz6365]

I have a vw scirocco, and my car has hill assist. The clutch engages when the accelerate. I don't experience and vibrations either

[@timeformetoact6]

Yep, It holds the brake pressure with the same force you previously pressed it.

[@barron204]

@@timeformetoact6 ?

[@brunoais]

4:00: In my manual car, if it's downhill, I just release the brake and let it roll for a bit. If the ending is off, I usually just stay below engine relight speed (STOP&START) so it stays off while I creep forward.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

That’s fine.

[@dramiell2845]

I just bought a 2014 Fiat 500L for pretty cheap. I've read so many threads about ppl blowing out the DCT in the car. Hopefully with this info I'll have better luck!

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Oh wow. Hopefully it lasts you well! Glad to help!

[@grapsorz]

the one thing i have seen kill the moste DSG boxes is maneuvering a heavy trailer around. especially backing it up.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

What truck or suv has a dual clutch?

[@grapsorz]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed dont know about those car's. The ones i have seen had problems is VW crafter vans and smaler Caravelle vans etc. often used by craftsmen's here.

[@MrShezi2243]

Very informative video. Just a suggestion/ question..... If u r stuck uphill in traffic, u shud use brake hold and shift to L gear so that only one clutch engages. U shud also not creep bumper to bumper but let some distance build yp and then move

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

You can't actually do that technically. If you leave the gear selector in what would be Drive, at a stop with your foot on the brake it will be in a neutral state till you take your foot of the brake. The odd clutch would be the only one engaging since 1st gear is the lowest it goes. But up hill in traffic I would avoid creeping and leave some distance in front.

[@junior281991]

DO put it in neutral while at a stop for a long time. When you are stopped the transmission stays in 1st year ready to roll and holding the clutch ready for when you let off the brake. If you put it in neutral it takes it out of gear and releases the clutch so it’s not holding it. The module/actuators the engage/disengage the clutches are no longer working if it’s in neutral so they dont keep heating up.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Sometimes I'll put in in neutral just so it idles smoother. It's designed to be able to be left in gear. So I'll do either

[@KidJaeProductions]

Planning on getting a 2021 Kia Forte GT with a DCT tomorrow. Didn't know some of these things, now I'm informed 😎 thanks bro

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Nice! That'll be a fun little car! Glad yo help with some good info

[@Skipuh]

Get the manual bro it’s so much fun

[@KidJaeProductions]

@@Skipuh yeah, but I like the DCT version instead

[@Too-Gq-For-You]

​@jamarkisdaniels4429 i have a 2016 veloster turbo dct & it sucks. Im at 133k miles and ive gone through 2 dct's and 3 flywheels. Im now getting code p073f & out of warranty which is the transmission failing again. I assume you got the 7-speed dry clutch?

[@Mr.Thermistor7228]

​@@Too-Gq-For-You the wet clutch dct's were marketed as being better... do you have any information if they actually are? lol

[@rym6829]

Dope video man, just got my first car and its a dual clutch so this helped out.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Glad it helped! Fun transmissions to use!

[@electric26]

Which car did you get? Looking for a reasonably priced dual clutch

[@themapspaer4099]

@@electric26Kia forte GT2 2023 comes with DCT, really fun car to drive

[@DoofyMusic69]

@@themapspaer4099heck yeah! I got me one too and I love it. Quick and fun to drive!

[@iqbalarman3819]

Why it vibrates in 1st? Its got your biting point of the clutch. And you never put your foot on accelerator when shifting thats money shifts. As you brake/slow down match the wheel speed with correct gear for a flat road ie 1st equals 0-15 kmph 2nd equals 10-20,3rd equals 20-40,4th equals 40-60 and 60+ is top gear doesnt matter 5th or 6th. This enables you to use Your engine efficiently with proper power output.and be on a lower gear 1 then 2 in uphill if speed is maximum of 50 kmph or 3 if speed is maximum of 90 or 4th if speed is maximum of 140 anything more just use top gears. Never overtake on high gears its Ok to use 3rd in 110 kmph for overtaking only. As long as the tachometer stays in safe position such as 2/3000 less than redline.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Even my Genesis Coupe that had an automatic did that. So idk. In a DCT you need to keep your foot on the accelerator between shifts. This is not a manual tranmission. Great tips tho

[@johnburden9109]

1) I didn't even know they made the GTR in automatic :D 2) I had a 2015 ford focus that was totaled due to hail damage. I drove it like you say and it was a fine car. Never had problems with it. Just picked up a 18 focus and it started out with the same deal, but then it started doing something else. From first gear, it would rev up to 5500 to 6 thousand rpm before it would try to shift. Taking foot off gas didn't help. Would just start to slowly wind down. Then up again when I hit the gas. Then it would violently shift into 3rd or 4th, not sure which and RPM would drop to under 1k as I was trying to accelerate. Then would jerk and into lower gear and rev high and it was just trash all around. The only way to "fix" it was to shut the car off completely and restart. After 2 or 3 tries, it drove normally again. Only correct way to drive this car was straight back to the dealership where I bought it. Now it's sitting there while they attempt to diagnose it. Dude said they "replaced the transmission fluid and cleaned the screen" and they're hoping that fixes it. lol.....

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

The R35 has been out since 2007 lol. It's only ever had a 6 speed DCT auto. Hopefully that fixes it! Seems like an issue overall with the transmission or the computer for the transmission

[@kellydysantini6498]

My Ford Ecosport is a DCT. If I don't put the gear to N while in traffic, the temperature goes up. They recommended to put it in N while i'm on a stop light or traffic to prevent overheating which is true. I see the temperature goes up if I stay on D while on the brakes.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Oh wow. That's good you're able to see the temp tho and keep things at good temps

[@kellydysantini6498]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed I bought a head up display that shows battery voltage, temp, oil, and rpm. :D

[@LoveLikeaHurricane]

clutches are disengaged when brakes are applied at a stop...but your throwout bearing is under pressure. Which is equivalent to holding your clutch pedal down at a stop light. Replacing those parts will require opening the transmission.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah that would be a pain in the butt to have to replace

[@MyLife2020]

02:48 not all automatic will vibrates on idle ( you are right for Japanese cars) if you drove hyundai santa fe with 8-speed transmission it's completely quite silent you cant feel anything of vibration same thing to genesis. I am not suprise if you complain about vibraation on Toytota, Honda, Nissan, Mitsubishi and Subaru they suffer from low quality in electric unlike Hyundai motor group they provide best electric quality in their cars.

[@Ambush981]

I think I’ve come across a couple of your videos and they have helped immensely! Thanks again!! Also love the interior 🫡

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Oh nice! Glad to help. Yeah the red leather is so nice! Still smells new 50k miles later lol

[@RobertMullineux]

Great video, thanks for the easy explanations :)

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Glad it was helpful!

[@RokRoka]

your car vibrates at full stops because alot of new cars not only disengage the transmission they also tend to run on less cylinders while at idle... My VW Jetta 1.4t actually runs on 2 cylinders at idle in gear or not until the vehicle reaches 1400rpm and also does so at certain cruising speeds to reduce fuel consumption which can cause a tad bit of vibration when this occurs. This is common place with newer vehicles with Direct port injection and its coded into the engine management im sure a tune can bypass or rectify that issue but at the cost of fuel consumption... Just a theory but highly plausible depending upon the vehicle...automakers are being forced to make cars consume less fuel due to clean air legislation and many automakers if they dont comply will be two sheets to the wind... Too long bending the will of OPEC, we could have had these same vehicle fuel consumption years ago... The carbureted civic was able to get 50+ miles a gallon in the 70'-80's but carmakers refused to adopt fuel savings when building engines for the kickbacks they got from OPEC and lobbyists... damn shame

[@mrsaulybanez69]

I wish I watched these videos before I broke my DCT clutch transmission.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

ouch.. Hopefully it wasn't too expensive to fix!

[@dudeonbike800]

Face it, some guys are just creeps! For those of us in manuals, the endless creeping forward at a light is A PAIN IN THE ASS! Don't do this! Why can't drivers simply stop the proper distance from the car in front the FIRST time? Don't stop short and then spend 2 minutes creeping up with your auto transmission's torque converter. It makes life hell for the rest of us in cars that take actual skill to drive! Plus, if you creep forward and there's now a car length between me and you, I look like the morAn. Now there is one understandable exception: it isn't a bad idea to stop short at a light on a road with a high speed limit and/or on a freeway offramp. This gives you an escape if there's some dumbass phone idiot, drunk, or psycho behind you about to plow you into eternity. This allows you to GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY! This, of course, requires that you use your mirrors. I've avoided three rear-enders by using my mirrors. So in this case, I can appreciate the driver in front of me then moving forward right as I come to a stop. But this isn't a big deal. I'm oftentimes doing this as well.

[@fredhartman1325]

Driver instructors teach that you should see the rear tires on the pavement of the car in front of you at a stoplight. There are a couple of safety reasons for this including to minimize damage should the car behind you hitting you and moving you forward.

[@hoodio]

the steering wheel vibrates because of resonance frequency, in idle (not in all cars) the motor basically shakes the steering wheel at the frequency it would naturally vibrate at if you hit it, this makes it shake a lot more than when the motor is at any other rpm ie not shaking the steering wheel at the frequency it would naturally vibrate at

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Very interesting explanation ;)

[@hoodio]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed thanks, hope i could help

[@ruleofthebone]

Subscribed! This was very helpful,. Thank you.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Thanks for the sub! Glad you enjoyed this video!

[@LeonardoSummers]

I’ve driven an automatic car for ten years it suddenly started jerking off and I took it back to the dealership turned out it needed a software update no more jerking.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Oh interesting. Glad you got that squared away!

[@Ibadtariq]

This was really helpful, thanks .. pls share a video on how to use paddle shifters when driving up or downhill

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Glad you enjoyed the video! You pretty much use them the same as on flat ground. up shift when you need to and downshift when you need to

[@Motorsports_3]

Basically when ur driving uphill try to be in the lowest gear possible like around 3-4k rpms depending how much gas ur going to be using and when driving downhill its kind of the same just stay in a low gear so the car is engine braking or if u up shift to a high gear you'll feel like if the car is in neutral

[@250tsar]

@@Motorsports_3 I thought it would be better to use high gears to go uphill and still be around 3-4K rpm?

[@Motorsports_3]

@@250tsar yeah could it just depends on the car u have. Like I have an e92 m3 so if I'm going up hill and am around 40mph I would be in 3rd gear or 2nd because I would be around 5k rpms because that's where u really feel the power in that car. If I were in 5th or 6th gear going up hill I would not have any torque to move the car fast or safely up hill.

[@kshitijsharma26]

The car's tryna creep forward in drive, that's why it vibrates. It's just how Manual cars are on half clutch. They're tryna go ahead. Simply put your car in park or neutral, let the clutches disengage. No car is that advanced to disengage the clutch on D, it's gonna affect your Gearbox in a longer run Please at least give correct information buddy.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah I do that a lot. Sometime I take my foot off the brake and then hold the brake again and it stops shaking. Almost like if I slow down and keep my foot on the brake, the clutch stays engaged. But if I let off and then brake again, it relaxes

[@letoslavzahrada3274]

useful, thank you

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Glad it was helpful!

[@cossie118bmk]

i agree ..... i have a 2012 gtr r35 and it good to know any hints and tips to keep in mind ...... thanks 👍👍👍

[@luisarsuaga7637]

What should I do to prevent damage to the transmission if I need to stop in hill? You talked about this, but you didn't mention what to do instead.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Just drive like normal. Stop and stay still with your foot break when at a light. But just take your foot off the brake and apply throttle.

[@Kyle-nr6nm]

I love how on my M5 it stay disengaged unless I tap the gas

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Is that the single clutch M5? I think most DCT's will do that. Just when you let off the brake thats when they engage.

[@Kyle-nr6nm]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed Mines the f10 so it uses the DCT, all M DCTs won't engage unless you tap the gas, which sucks when you park on a hill cause it rolls.

[@dp_prajapati]

Very well explained and demonstrated..

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@juandrelouw6832]

Dont forget to get up to temprature on trans for launch

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Absolutely! The GTR won't even let launch control active if its not all warmed up

[@matthewtmcdonough]

Great video, my Kona N is getting the 8 Speed DCT replaced now. I was getting “Check E-LSD” messages on the screen. Not codes, but Hyundai said it needs a new DCT. I will follow your suggestions for the life of this new one.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Interesting. Hopefully that gets sorted out!

[@dl806]

Hey his name is Brian and He drives a GTR anyone seeing where I'm going with this? No?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

QUINFLIPZ 😎. And I have a Supra 🙌🏼

[@dl806]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed that too..

[@edgarmolina4497]

And....he's a cop

[@philiprico291]

Lol

[@johnbarker924]

And mine a ford focus automatic and love it gets me there 😅

[@Exp3rt45]

when explaining your #1 thing you didnt give me a way to avoid not having the clutches have the load of the car while on a hill. i happen to have a duel clutch car an i tend to do this alot. thanks for your time.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Exp3rt45 As long as you keep your foot on the break on a hill. You’re good!

[@fadenmac8092]

Do you accelerate as you release the brake (like in a manual trans; how release clutch and press on gas)?

[@WVhillDweller]

Yeah i thought the same thing. Its ok to let your foot off the brake and press the gas pedal. Just dont use the gas pedal to keep you from rolling backwards. Use the brake and when you're ready to go press the gas pedal.

[@sayedamiruddin5635]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed can I use handbrake on uphill ? Thanks for your video. I just got my Kia Seltos with 7 Speed DCT. I need to really learn this DCT things

[@Kevinb1821]

Customers who buy cars with automated clutches really should be told that they can’t be driven like normal automatic transmissions. I’d imagine inching forward in traffic is probably terrible for them or going below 5 miles an hours for a period of time. To me there’s really no reason to have them in none performance cars. They have tech in torque converter cars that give amazing efficiency

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Most non performance cars don’t have dual clutches, however going under 5mph won’t hurt anything. But the constant stop and go and inching forward in traffic would, but that would take tons of miles! I agree they shouldn’t be in normal cars, but I can’t think of any non performance cars that have one.

[@CarlosHernandez-gc6no]

When downshifting to go into a complete stop, is it necessary to go all the way down to gear 1 or is going to 2 and completely stoping okay too? Reason I ask is because when I go to 1st it feels very clunky as opposed to when just stay in 2nd and stop fully. Thank I’m Advance!

[@Dann-md9eq]

Actually i had the same feeling from a complete stop. A clunk noise comes in my engine every time i accelerate from a stop and it feels weird though

[@colin6109]

@@Dann-md9eq that noise is the clutch engaging when you take off because the car is basically a hybrid between manual and automatic

[@jimhawks1557]

DCT's problems w/stop and go traffic makes it a no bueno for daily driving for me. :( Bummer.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

It’s definitely different! But my GTR has been my daily for 4 years! It’s manageable!

[@sevendust62]

So you discussed creeping forward a foot here, a foot there. But what about creeping for long distances? For example, in a car with an automatic or CVT, I tend to creep through parking lots. I take my foot off both pedals and I hover my foot over the brake in case someone suddenly jumps out from between two cars, or in case a parked car suddenly pulls out. So I'll coast through the entire parking lot with neither brake nor accelerator engaged. And I do the same thing in my driveway. I have a long, narrow driveway that is walled in by my house and a fence. It is just barely wide enough for a car to fit without scraping the house or the fence, so I'll go through the driveway slowly by creeping, with my foot off the accelerator, and just hovering over the brake. Can I do that with a DCT, or will that damage the DCT?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Thats no problem. That's not actually 'creeping'. Thats just letting the clutch engage and letting it properly work at its slowest speed. No issue. Creeping is more of on and off the break. So the clutch will be constantly disengaging and reengaging. So you'll be good!

[@sevendust62]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed Thanks!!!

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

No problem!

[@sevendust62]

So the last few times I've driven, I've been paying more attention to how I use to brake to see if I've ever been brake creeping. And I realized that while I almost never brake creep in traffic, I do seem to brake creep a lot in reverse. My driveway is extremely long and narrow, and it's bounded on either send by my house and a fence, so the idle reverse speed is too fast to safely navigate it. Instead, to travel down my driveway, I've noticed I've been lightly depressing the brake so that the car reverses slowly rather than at full speed. How bad would this be for a DCT? Is brake creeping bad in reverse too? And if it is bad, is there another way to reverse more slowly than the idle reverse speed?

[@ehabal-hanash2533]

Autohold is extremely helpful in traffic.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

It is! More so on a manual.

[@Chris-hw4mq]

You need to put the car in N at a stop light. If in the dash it shows 1 that means you are in gear and will wear the clutches

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

No you don't. The computer programing disengages the clutch during a stop. Thats why when you take your foot off the brake, you then feel the clutch reengage. So you can keep it in gear. If your foot is off the brake, the transmission will be engaged. So if your holding the brake, the car is effectively in N

[@feloniousmonk3049]

The fact that when you shift from Neutral to Drive (1st) and your rpms drop is indicating the engine is working harder... due to very slight clutch drag. To say otherwise is ignorant. The RPMS drop for a reason, and you need to explain what that reason is. and the reason is the clutch plates are slipping, even though there is no forward motion. To demonstrate, put your car up in the air and put the car in "Drive" with the brakes off, and observe if the wheels start spinning. If they start spinning the clutch is dragging, putting pressure on the flywheel and spinning the whole driveline. If the wheels are spinning, then the clutch is dragging on the flywheel at idle while in "Drive" mode.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah obviously the wheels will spin with your foot off the break. The GTR and most other cars have a sensor to where when the brake is on, the clutches are disengaged. Once you let off the brake it engages the clutch

[@feloniousmonk3049]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed Explain the rpm drop, then, from neutral to drive, when the brakes are on in both gear selector positions

[@ibrahimmyb6569]

I have dct midsize suv Its really good at high speeds but its pain driving it slow especially when you’re in traffic Thats the only reason i wanna change my current car

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah some DCT cars can feel a bit jerky in slow speeds

[@petersparrow5321]

Ok people, what about simply using a cruise control in a traffic jam.The car knows itself how to operate and accelerates a little shiny bit and does not creep and the clutch doesn't wear in such case I guess,am I right?In my Kia Xceed it is called traffic jam assistent or sth.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Regular cruise control does not do that! You are thinking of adaptive cruise control which is on newer vehicles. This GTR doesn’t not have that feature.

[@petersparrow5321]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed all right then👍

[@Caffeinated-DaVinci]

Got some questions if you have the time. I have a 2012 Veloster N/A with a DCT. I've been trying to find information about this question but I haven't found anything conclusively. Is it safe to spin a DCT car around? I used to take my Elantra spinning in parking lots after it would snow and never had an issue. I'm wondering if doing this will damage the DCT at all. When I first start out, similar to a manual there's a half second or so where the car rolls backwards and that doesn't damage the DCT like it would a torque converter. I'm wondering though if the computer is smart enough to disengage the transmission when it detects a spin or if it'll rip itself apart. I know obviously the GTR and the Veloster aren't similar, but I'm just trying to get some basic info about if I can spin my V in the snow without the DCT tearing itself up.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I don't think you'd have an issue just having some fun. If you were just going full throttle abusing the car for a long duration, maybe. But a couple spins in the snow shouldn't do anything. I had some fun in the snow in the GTR. kzbin.info/www/bejne/foGbnpd3a52Ko6c

[@StreetDrivenDaily]

Cool. Still debating on the GT-R. I own M4 with manual trans . just pushing 510 to the wheels, and I get the itch for the GT-R. Love the m4 but think I should wait a bit as new GT-Rs gonna hit the market. So 2014s or 16s get cheaper.ish ?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

DailyDrivenTurbo GTR’s have been holding their value. So don’t expect them to start dropping. But in the $60k range. You’ll be able to get a good one

[@StreetDrivenDaily]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed yep. There was one local for 49k. With 50k miles 2010. But I want 14 plus. And has to be in black. :)

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

DailyDrivenTurbo A 14 will definitely be in the 60 range. I paid 67, and even two years later, mine is still work about the same!

[@theofficialrecojefferson]

@@StreetDrivenDaily I'm actually flying in from Philly tomorrow to pick that one up for my channel.

[@StreetDrivenDaily]

@@theofficialrecojefferson noway lol.

[@markokaplic9328]

So when put in manual mode, you dont need to let go off the gas when switching gears?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Nope! DCT transmissions dont need that since the other clutch is already engaged. The computer takes care of any throttle cut needed

[@markokaplic9328]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed and i dont need to press the lever when doing that either right? Only when changing from d-n-r-p?. Got a new golf 7 so im not familiar exactly since this is my first automatic

[@rustydeen9162]

Hi, this was a very informative video. Thanks. Would I be correct if I believe it's okay to have a DCT vehicle towed by another vehicle in case of a breakdown? Please advise. Thanks Rustom from Sri Lanka.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I guess you could use neutral, but this a car like this, a tow truck/flat bed would be the better way to go.

[@rustydeen9162]

In neutral of course. I meant to draw attention to the fact that one did not need to obtain a professional breakdown service in the event of a system failure. Thanks

[@eddienava]

Youre actually NOT supposed to downshift at all at any high speeds(read the user manual) . But we do it anyway.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

To an extent, obviously don't go into 1st gear going 60 mph, but if you keep the rpm range where it should be, downshifting is perfectly fine and won't hurt the engine.

[@Baerchenization]

That is nonsense. Which page of the owners manual is that? The engine has a rev limiter. If down shifting would exceed the max revs, it simply would not perform the shift. For example with PDK, if you are in 7th gear and floor it hard, it will jump straight in to 2nd, if only to rev out the last few mph of 2nd gear. Btw I am saddened to hear he is worried that his gearbox might explode when doing a 0-60 run lol. Porsche guarantee 3,000 launches before a service is needed, not before the box explodes ;)

[@eddienava]

@@Baerchenization its what the manual says. You arguing against the engineers that created the car. 😂 i legit copied from what the car manual says word for word. But we still do it anyways is what im saying. Foh😂

[@Baerchenization]

@@eddienava Which one is that? The GTR manual?

[@Baerchenization]

@@eddienava What do you know. I looked it up. Of course it does not say " NOT supposed to downshift at all at any high speeds". Because, why wouldn't you? But it does say that you need to take care to not over-rev it when down shifting. That is the most idiotic design decision that anyone could implement in an electronically controlled system. Like wtf? How difficult could it be to ignore the shift command, if the revs would over rev the engine? FAIL :) (I am looking at page 5-21 of the 2019 manual). That is really concerning... anyway, t even tells you in a little table what the speeds are, but that is not really helpful.

[@JustaMan1225]

Wow i never knew that the gtr had 4 seats when i was younger i should’ve purchased one :(

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah it's pretty practical! Can actually fit adults in the back

[@JustaMan1225]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed imagine being 18 and having this car you are automatically the coolest kid in the block!

[@ivan23caravantes44]

Yeah this applies to everyone driving a gtr and Nissan cars with that same smart transmission's. I don't think it applies to all dual clutch transmissions but it has similar features even in my kia stinger. 😅🤣😂

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

But these things are good tips of what not to do in the dual clutch, they all fundamentally work the same. Some of these are geared towards the GTR of course, since that's the car I'm using.

[@ivan23caravantes44]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed nahhhh

[@WrecklessRebuilds]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed i agree its still a dct.

[@ashbringervindicator]

your car viberates because of the transmission oil films inbetween the 2 sets of clutch disks, it transfers a little bit power, that being said , it's still a lot much lower than the AT torque converter.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Interesting

[@ashbringervindicator]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed i dont know about if it appears on dry dual clutches, in a wet dual clutch car, it is call prepressing when u put the shifter at D while not moving the car. of course it totally disengages the 2 packs of clutch disks when the car is neutual. actually it's why wet clutch one lasts far more longer than its counterpart. the gist of it is the transmission oil films cover the friction surfaces to reduce the most of the wearing

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

@@ashbringervindicator yeah I can see that. I can adjust the touch points with my Cobb tuner so lessen how much it does that. So it’s cool I can at least do that

[@jecal0618]

Thanks, great tips! Questio: What’s the ideal way to handle a DCT car in bumper-to-bumper traffic on an incline/hill? Is it ok to go to N or P and enable the handbrake/parking brake instead of remaining on D and keeping your foot on the brake pedal (which seems tiring for the right leg)?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

You can do that if you want. I try and leave a bigger gap between the car in front of me. And then let off the brake and let the car roll with my foot off the break. That way the clutch is fully engaged and can just drive slow till I need to stop. Better then constantly hitting the brake

[@sarptetikel9341]

I'd say let your leg get the workout, as holding the brake pedal gives you a lot more control over your car both when it comes to starting to move and applying the right amount of pressure to hold still on a hill

[@sebyo7650]

I just bought a 2023 Changan Alsvin with a DCT, I live in Manila Philippines and the traffic here is the worst. I'm constant in bumper to bumper traffic. Dealership told me to put it l in N when I'm bumper to bumper traffic. What I do is put it in manual mode during heavy traffic and creep in manual mode. What do you think about that?

[@crashdoll91]

In my focus sometimes I wanna put it in park and put the e brake on, because if I let my foot off the brake on a hill it will roll back like a second later. 😅 I do always leave space like he mentioned though

[@selahattinmert5070]

@@sebyo7650 I just bought a vw with dsg transmission, as i learned from experience and suggestions, manual mode in prolonged traffic saves the dual clutch system,you are right

[@longtruong4090]

My GTR has a rough downshift from 3rd to 2nd when I let car downshift. I can feel the car jerk most of the time. Anyone have this problem? Also, since the car has shift-logic and shifts slower when you gas and down-shift, the best way to get to a lower gear and accelerate is to brake and down-shift?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

idk why yours would be jerky. But if your on the brakes it'll downshift quicker. ON the gas pedal it will be delayed if you downshift.

it could just be the shifting down when at higher revs, combined with not being braking so it isn't lining up 2nd? This can happen in my Golf R32 as well.

[@dylanjones7655]

Dct relearn

[@JuanGarcia-zq5tp]

I have a Kia Forte GT with the dct. When I have the shifter in manual mode and upshift early under hard acceleration it has massive wheelspin on the upshift. When it upshifts on auto mode it never spins. Does this happen to anyone else that drives a dual clutch front drive car?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Maybe you're shifting right as the full boost kicks in? A car like that will have more torque down low then it does top end HP. So that could be it

[@curt2233]

Exactly what he said shift before 3k if ur cruising turbos rpm 3k-4 45k hp rpm is 5k-6k so ur shifing as the turbo is spinning ride it out until 4k or 5k shift for DCT

[@sethg1338]

Your first point I was confused do you mean don’t brake your car continuously while on an incline ? Does that also apply to declines ? And if you have to park on incline, is it better to also use to parking brake ?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Basically when you park. Keep your foot on the brake when you put the transmission into park, then pull the Ebrake, then take your foot off the foot brake. Then shut it off. That way the weight of the car is actually on the Ebrake, not the transmission

[@michaelharris-2001]

3:58 nice g wagon went right pass you

[@reinhartgregory]

But when you don't but it in Neutral you still have to step on the breaks

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

If you are slowing down, yes you'll need the brakes. Most cases you'll need to hold the brake at a stop tho. Once you take your foot of the brake the car will start to roll forwards.

[@stonemckissick1031]

I drop my brothers off everyday in a pickup line, this is about 10 start and stops in a row, so i just suffer? I try to give room to let the clutch fully engage each time i move yet still it is annoying.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah that'd be annoying for sure

[@AllGoodDays1]

In regards to shifting when in "manual" mode. Does shifting the slower way damage the vehicle?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Not at all. The car is designed to do this

[@ericw.1620]

Basically what's happening is that in a DCT, there are essentially 2 separate gearboxes, one that has the even gears and one that has the odd. If you're in, for example, gear 3, only the odd gearbox would be engaged. This lets the computer preselect the next gear as the even gearbox is disengaged. If you're on the gas, the computer thinks you're gonna upshift so in this case, it would preselect gear 4 in the even gearbox. If you instead downshift, the computer has to first move the even gearbox from gear 4 to gear 2 and then shift, leading to the longer shift times. This happens in reverse for when you're on the brake.

[@the.pineapple]

Well, looks to me like you treat DCT, PDK, etc. dual clutch transmissions with the same sense and logic as you would a regular manual transmission and clutch.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Pretty much! Just have to be conscious about the clutches engaging

[@deetailing]

Also does the auto hold feature put more strain on the clutch as its holding the car until you accelerate off?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Auto hold normally just applies the brakes for you

[@TheMrtvamucha]

we saw the stop sing :D

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Can you time stamp what you are talking about?

[@glichasasha750]

It preselects the next gear and disengages the current. So when the computer misses the preselection it is then that it shifts slower.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah thats the cool thing with DCT

[@korvstopparen]

What should i look for if im buying a modified gtr? Thinking about things that helps the reliability in the transmission, clutch and engine

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Have a good performance shop take a look at the car and make sure everything is put together properly and check the tuning to see how it's running. After working at a dealership. The vast majority of modded cars that came in had many issues. I would always stick with buying a bone stock car.

[@korvstopparen]

Thx prob gonna go for a stock one then@@BrosFOURRSpeed

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

korvstopparen No problem! Probably your best bet

[@Alkize06]

Yeah most of the time they sell modded cars for a reason unless they really need the money

[@Flangobeast]

Let me start off saying this Ford redesigned the ford dual clutch transmissions for the Ford Focus and fiesta. Would these tips be the same for a 2012 Ford Focus dual clutch transmission

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Could be. These tips are definitely very helpful with the GTR. But can be used for other DCT setups for sure!

[@Flangobeast]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed thank you! I had to replace the clutch last year so I wanted to be careful this time around. Plus me flooring it didn’t help lol

[@NotSoLiberal]

What to do in slow - fast traffic , seems I’m confusing the DCT all the time

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Just try and drive at a constant speed

[@infecteddate9115]

Only problem I see with launching your car is if your at a traffic light, you would need to time the revving up with foot on the break right before light turns green as I imagine having it in that state of high revs while breaking for a long time (while waiting for light to turn green) is not healthy for any part of the car, or is it ok to do so?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah if you were doing it at a light, you'll want to be cautious. From what I noticed the GTR times out after 5-10 seconds or so. I did a few drag races on the strip and I had it time out on my as I waited for the lights to go. So it'd kinda hard to time it with the tree.

[@morgandrives]

Hey. I know this video is a bit old now, but I am hoping you are still getting notifications. I am now in my first DSG (2020 Audi A3 quattro). When I am driving in Manual mode and coming to a stop, both options seem to cause the transmission trouble. Either I shift from 2nd to 1st at about 1000 rpm, or I come to a stop while still in 2nd. Either way, the transmission makes unhappy noises. Nothing really awful, just like it is confused. All of my cars have been manual before this, so for me shifting gears myself is important. Any advice on which one of these options is the best, meaning the least damaging? (note that in all automatic modes, it does not make these noises when it comes to a stop). Thanks for any advice you can send me.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

It's probably because the car is wanting to downshift to 1st gear once you come to a complete stop. Seems like a lot of DCT cars are a bit weird if you manually shift to 1st gear while driving ;)

[@morgandrives]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed Hi. Thank you for replying. Actually I believe I just figured it out. I'm used to driving a manual, so I would downshift to 2nd and lift my foot off the brake pedal for moment, then stop. I thought the car might be thinking when I lift my foot off the brake pedal that I am about to accelerate, so it gets ready for 3rd gear, then I stop, so it has to shift quickly from 3rd to 1st with one clutch. Now I don't down shift to 2nd, I just apply consistent brake pedal pressure and it shifts smoothly. Or, if I am in 2nd due to speed, once I begin to apply to brake pedal I keep slight pressure on it until I stop and it is ready for 1st when it needs it. Only took me 5 months to figure it out!

[@karinaduran7536]

I have a dual clutch Hyundai Kona and noticed that when I creep, it shakes quite a bit. Like jerking back and fourth as it goes to 1 and 2 mph when inching forward. Does that ever happen to you? Thank you for the informative video - I know now to leave space.. just wondering if you’ve ever experienced any shaking.

[@Dann-md9eq]

I have the exact same concern with my Hyundai Kona 2019. It jerks when in a stop and RPMs shoot up. Based on the comments and replies of OP it's normal for dual clutch to have that. Scares me a little though coz it's a different feeling

[@BCPCamerasTech]

@@Dann-md9eq from what I have read, it is important to avoid letting the car crawl. So right after you take your foot off the break, you should begin to accelerate into first gear to keep the clutch from slipping. Disclaimer: don’t know much about cars.

[@adrienmosley6202]

I’m getting a new car soon and my dad said the dual clutch is completely manual. But with you saying there is a automatic mode, is it bad to drive in only automatic mode? Maybe I can learn to use the paddle shifters later (Jetta GLI DC)

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

A dual clutch is not considered a manual at all, you can drive in normal mode all day long, you never even have to use the paddles if you don't want to, it's an "automatic" as far as just using the gas and brake like another car. You have the option to use the paddles shifters as needed and it's the same as driving in auto, expect you can control the gear. It's just like driving an automatic, it's not a manual at all. It just has clutches in the transmission rather then a torque converter like a traditional automatic

[@2fast4uates55]

Does your car roll backwards on a steep hill after releasing the brake pedal? I have a Ford Fiesta with the 6 speed DCT and will roll backwards just like a regular manual does.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

It depends. But the transmission will try and move it forward. But if theres too much resistance it'll roll back like its in neutral

[@djilyaz]

Dont throw it into reverse while cruising on the highway.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah that wouldn't be a good day for anyone!

[@thefloki1071]

Thank you. I heard we need to release gas when upshifting and cannot brake during downshifting, is that true?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Nope, you don not need to do that at all. The car's computer already adjusts the timing/fueling of the engine to compensate and adjust for the gear change. Even in my single clutch Gallardo, you don't need to take your foot off the gas. Computer know what it's doing

[@thefloki1071]

@BrosFOURRSpeed thank you! One more thing, I was driving CVT before, as I was heading to red traffic light, I will release gas and crusing, just play with the brake until complete stop, can I do this with DCT?

[@Shromp-sh7lh]

I drive a Mazda3 skyactiv automatic, which is advertised as proprietary but is essentially a DCT. Is upshifting into higher gears during acceleration without taking my foot off the gas safe for the trans?

[@adrielbower9452]

Question hopefully someone can answer - So when in traffic keeping in mind that creeping is the wrong thing to do. Is it ok however to let car the roll when in traffic and slowly putting some gas on the pedal while driving. So for instance someone is in front of me and they’re “leading traffic” Meaning they are not putting much gas on the pedal and just letting their car roll with the flow of traffic but braking when needing to. Is it bad if I do the same in my VW DSG?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah I'll do that. Basically in first gear you can roll about 4 MPH and the clutch will be fully engaged. So thats basically the goal to do vs creeping

[@adrielbower9452]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed Thanks for that brother! Much appreciated!

[@ildarkinildarkin]

Computer is programmed so that if you let acceleration pedal go - transmission shift gears slower.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah the shift logic is designed like that. As I mentioned in the video

[@Pritam043]

Can we shift to manual mode while the car speed is fast ? Or it should be done in slow speed ?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

You can do that whenever you want!

[@ultimaterakesh]

I have booked performance DCT vehicle, during bumper to bumper traffic if I use manual gear and use paddle shifter, will this also make engine hot?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

That won't make a difference.

[@another2160]

I'm a first time driver passed on automatic, can I drive dual clutch without a struggle ? Im interested in an alpha romeo giuletta 2012 which has twin clutch

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah it shouldn't be much different from a normal auto

[@another2160]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed thank you 🙏🙏

[@calijs9420]

So I just got a dct. It’s in a Audi A5 sportback. I used to love to downshift my other Audi when making a pass on the freeway making it pretty fast grabbing up some lower torque. I think it had the 8 speed cvt. In this dct when I downshift it to make a pass it just takes a while to go into gear and it doesn’t feel like I’m grabbing any torque like the previous Audi I had. So how do you make a snappy pass with a dct?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I'm guessing you are on the gas while downshifting? Try downshifting while not on the gas or while on the brakes. It will shift quicker.

[@calijs9420]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed definitely not on the gas while shifting..

[@Mr.Deko86]

Thank you. I learned a lot about DCTs. It's like having the best of both worlds. I have 3 cars on my list to choose from because I need a new car and they all have a DCT coincidentally.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Glad you liked the video! Cool transmissions to have!

[@Mr.Deko86]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed definitely. Our automotive progression is on full speed at the moment.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

@@Mr.Deko86 for sure!

[@ag4591]

He said not to do and he does. Dud

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Demonstrating things for a video

[@MK4Parker]

gr8 video but will it hurt the trans if i shift then let off hard?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Not at all. Once it has shifted you're good to let off. I do that alot

[@barneysman9116]

Just got a new Hyundai Kona. When I drive slowly at mall car parks I feel a gentle tapping on the back. Is this normal?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Could be the clutches engaging. We had one for a week and it was pretty fun! kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6KaYaGur8-NptU

[@ysneo1033]

Hi! I have a question. What if i put in manual mode in gear 1 and creep in heavy traffic. Will it wear my clutch or cause any overheating?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Ray Neo It’ll still wear the clutches. This car does a good job creeping in slow speeds. But do your best to stop, and then go a longer distance then ever foot. Or try rolling at the speed the car will travel in 1st gear with your foot off the brake. That way the trans is fully engaged.

[@TripDadLife]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed for my Hyundai Ioniq I get rewarded by creeping by having it charge the electric battery. I slow down approaching a stoplight a lot slower than I would otherwise do. Would this be bad on the transmission?

[@gtg4808]

Had my kia for a year and half now and never knew somethings you were talking about, thanks for the video really informative. I noticed the shaking on mine recently more then before especially when creeping in traffic or when I first start the car and reverse it then put it in gear

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Glad you enjoyed it! DCT cars are a bit different to get used too then torque converters

[@frankiemma3278]

You guys should do the new camaro and Audi models

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

We are going to try and get some!

[@frankiemma3278]

Bros FOURR Speed that’s awesome I’m a big Camaro guy

[@MyLife2020]

FOR slow shifting you are complain about old 👵 Transmission that can't compare to newest developed DCT in the martket today

[@Joe-qn2rg]

Looks like you have no AC unit, or I must’ve missed it

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

This car has AC, all the controls are just below the center screen! I even have dual zone, all the GTR's came with AC, it wasn't optional or removable from the factory.

[@moregainsmoreveins5267]

How do you drive your car? Auto or with the paddle shifters?

[@ctetuning]

I have a importaint question, about my 2020 gt500. I noticed when in manual mode when i down shift AND press the Throttle hard all at the same timing, its like "rev matching" a DCT transmisson and makes the revs go higher then just pressing the downshift paddle but my question is, is that safe for the DCT???

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I wouldn't do that. The GT500 is already rev matching each downshift. But you're messing with the shift logic. When you're coasting or on the brakes, the next gear down is already engaged with it's clutch to be shifted into. So when you hit the gas and downshift, the car thinks the next gear will be one higher. So it'll be delayed a bit.

[@ctetuning]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed ok thanks

[@jacksonhuang2009]

But bro idk why some of the dual clutch car and some of the torque converter automatic when you activated the launch control they even don't say in the indicator that the launch control is ready I know that you can feel it but is much better to have a indicator that says launch control ready rather than feel it cause it's much easier to go than when you feel it

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah some cars just have it to where it says its ready. The GTR, You know if its working since the revs hold at 4k and the car doesnt move. Other cars if its not working you'll feel the car trying to search forward. Once you get used to doing launch control you can quickly tell if its working. If the GTR isnt warmed up it won't engage launch. And the RPM will stop at 2k and the car will feel like its trying to move.

[@deetailing]

How does auto start stop and auto Hill hold affect the hill hold situation, can I hold the brake until the car auto turns off the engine and leave it there? Does the start stop mechanism also disengage the clutch/transmission?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

If a car has the auto start stop. It'll shut the engine off at a stop. But once your foot comes off the brake it'll start back up. If the car has hill hold too that might be 50/50. My Supra has auto hill assist. But the engine will start back up if I take my foot of the brake. If it has the actual button for the brake hold, it might leave the engine off until you hit the gas pedal

[@gp3844]

I want to use an automatic FWD trans (which will be mated to a GM V6-60/mid engine set-up). Can anyone recommend a very strong FWD Auto trans to use?--(NOT a CVT trans)

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

That's be a hard one to think of. Maybe something from Toyota?

[@mrjadogproductions8076]

Was anyone else cringing at that constant shifting and going into the highest gear??? That transmission was dancing like the alien meme.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Doing that for the purpose of the video. Don't you realize that?

[@mrjadogproductions8076]

Bros FOURR Speed i understand that. I’m just saying those tramission are known for mechanical problems. The less you shift, the less repairs. That’s why I was cringing. Nice video man I’m just saying I wouldn’t do it in my car. (Obviously that car can handle it. The year is super new) my is 2011

[@chrisbuck7828]

Could be bad motor mounts cause the idle vibration

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Not a bad point. Never thought of that. I'll take a look at them

[@whit3.mk6]

When coming to a stop should I shift down to a lower gear like 3 to 2 then 1 or is is okay to just stay in 3 or second and?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

You can leave it in 3rd. The car will automatically downshift anyways