“Brotherly Love" Episode 710 My Outlander Purgatory Breaks It Down!

[@judyholiday1794]

I just had to comment one more time to say that the scenes with Roger,and Gellis had been laughing my booty off and my hubby kept asking me whats so funny? Both actors played it up to perfection and then when Dogual walked in I was in disbelief for a second..Then when Gellis and Dougal casually left the room together for some private time was total perfection for the fans .

[@lauriestonehaskell1687]

I have read up to book 7 so I do know what Claire will do about Lord John's proposal. I thought that Lord John and Claire's acting in the scene where she learns Jamie's ship has been lost at sea was utterly OUTSTANDING. As far as Ian and Rachel.... my sense is that they have less than zero chemistry. Their chemistry was worse than how Bree and Roger's was at its worst. Also, there was such irony when Dougal and Gellis meet and Buck is sitting there not knowing that these are his parents. Both Buck and Roger are sharing similar experiences - not knowing their fathers are in their midst. Such brilliant writing. I loved this episode so much. And again, I appreciate both of you and how entertaining your break down is. Thank you.

[@tamaracox6336]

Lord John resigned his commission years ago. Before he and William went to America in book/season 4. What surprises her is to see him in uniform since he had resigned.

[@tamaracox6336]

Thank you for all the effort and work you put in to do this. We appreciate it.

[@OurBucketListHasHoles]

I loved the return of Dougal 🙌☺️

[@conniesandlin6712]

Re: Claire's shock hearing the news - this reminded me strongly of my own experience hearing the news that my father had been killed in a car accident. The portrayal of her shock was very accurate, in my opinion.

[@MommaPamE]

I’m thinking you should count how many Oh Christ’s Roger’s says like you counted the Mark Me’s! lol This season appears it’s going to be a wild ride for sure. Thanks for all the fun ladies💙🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🥂

[@Myoutlanderpurgatory]

OMG how did we NOT think of that??? Brilliant!!!

[@emilyhuey5168]

Hi Carol and Tracey!!! Been watching you guys since season 1 I appreciate your dedication the series have a great evening ❤

[@4UStevePerry]

I remember Roger also met BJ too. He's the one that gave him the dog tags. You guys crack me up! The surgery scene reminded me of a sausage. Lol

[@justme.1st]

I so look forward to “MOP” & really appreciate your time for us :) It’s been forever since I read the books, yet somehow Ian & Rachel on screen don’t have the same impact that I recall from the books.. Overall, loved this episode, thought it very well done. Loved everything “Roger” lol, he finally gets a chance to shine & loving Bucks input as they go on. I think it dawned on Roger why they ended up in the wrong timeline as there was another Jeremiah McKenzie before Jem. I laughed, cried & sympathized on so many levels 💕 Edit for spelling

[@Sisterwayne]

I was so happy to see the story finally come to my hometown, Philadelphia. You're right. The depiction of the city at that time is beautiful and seems very authentic. As native Philadelphians we take all of these amazing historical sites for granted because we pass by them our whole lives. Bartram's Garden is still very much alive. Head House Square is very fun and this episode depicted it very well. Those gorgeous row homes now cost multi millions. I actually live on Valley Forge Road and am within walking distance to the entrance for Valley Forge National Park. We drive through it and should take more time to consider what happened there. It's beautiful and haunting. I am going to make a real effort to stop and appreciate all of this history around me. It's a wonderful place to live.

[@Myoutlanderpurgatory]

We’ve said this in previous videos-but growing up we had far less appreciation for the historical aspect of the city. Valley Forge was where you went for school picnics or to hang out with your friends-you barely noticed the little cabins and whatnot. I’m honestly not sure if I’ve ever been to the visitors center there!!

[@annefox926]

The Philadelphia scenes were filmed in Liverpool, England.

[@Sisterwayne]

@@annefox926 I am aware. I wish they brought the production here, but that would have been too expensive. There's no way they could have shut down Chestnut Street or the other city locations. The city would come to a halt.

[@Sisterwayne]

@@Myoutlanderpurgatory I've never been to the center either. We probably assume we know more than we actually do.

[@auntvesuvi3872]

Thanks, Tracey and Carol! 🪨 In keeping with the recent holiday, I'm grateful for y'all and all that y'all do.

[@Tiki71]

So, Lord John writes a letter that the boy is SHOT to Claire over in Scotland. It probably takes two months for the letter to get to her, then she travels a month and a half to get there. That's a 3 1/2 month window before she even sees the gunshot patient. It strains the willing suspension of disbelief. But hey, that's TV for ya. "Oh, Christ"!

[@OurBucketListHasHoles]

Hello ladies 👋✌️ This was a nail biting episode lol. I’m commenting while I’m watching. Much love and God Bless 🙏🫶

[@conniesandlin6712]

TSA probably didn't let Young Ian get on the ship with his bow and arrows. 😜

[@Myoutlanderpurgatory]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@mellie2274]

I loved this episode. I think the show is quire seamlessly smoothing out and including the significant elements. I haven’t read the books in a long time, so I no longer recall which events are in which book. By the way, when I first read that Roger ended up in 1739, it freaked me out, and I had to put down the book for MONTHS. Anyway, one part I REALLY loved which you didn’t mention was when Roger quickly pocketed the dog tags so that Geilis wouldn’t see it, realizing SHE would immediately know! Also, the sudden realization that the entire reason they are in that time is because his father and son have the same NAME! Wow. The stones are unpredictable. Oh, also, Roger in 1968 said his name was Roger Wakefield, not McKenzie. I love how she seems puzzled he seems familiar.

[@janish4027]

Claire was surprised to see LJ in uniform because she thought he resigned his commission (he may have told her when he visited C&J at the Ridge with a teenage William).

[@4UStevePerry]

Ian is also called Wolf's brother. They are together again.

[@thewitchery6044]

Yes! Thank you! "Thee is my wolf" was one of my top fav book moments and it fell so flat. :( The actors have been doing such a good job. I was hopeful.

[@annefox926]

Buck had been treated for his " heart pains" in a families cottage by the Dr. who had healing powers( cast a blue light when he touched Buck). He also attempts to repair Rogers' throat. They eventually meet the Dr. again when he is visiting Geillis ( he is hot for her too). That's when they meet her. They do meet Dougal briefly when they were wandering around the countryside looking for Jem. (Looks like they are skipping getting the dog tags from BJ at Fort William).

[@chezannelavieendouceur]

The thing about seeing this right after you post it is that i have to watch it again tomorrow even if it were just to read the comments. I liked the episode, series 7 so far including this 2nd part feels like outlander, they are doing some fan favourite cameos that hit the spot for me and i like the story even if at times the need to suspend some disbelief. After this drouhtlander i thought i was over it, they pulled me back in last week and confirmed it with this episode.

[@rondarlenesowers6478]

I’m a book reader so I knew a lot that was going to happen, BUT there were great surprises anyway. Loved it all but felt the Ian & Rachel part does need a bit more development. I don’t feel that “love urgency” between them. They packed a lot into this episode. But I felt Roger’s part with all his inner dialogue & facial expressions stole the show, with Claire’s grief coming in a close second. Sure hope Gellis & Dougal are seen again - they are both so good. And I do want Jenny to join them in America - imagine her seeing this brand new country being born! It always feels like next Friday is so far away. And I am going to be so rushed & busy! I just want to savor what is left of this wonderful saga- sure is the wrong time of the year for me to be trying to lap it all up. Damn Starz - holding this sooo long!

[@KCtaurus80]

Hi Carol! I know it’s not the same thing you were talking about but if you can ever visit Gettysburg PA lots of stores sell civil war relics. We bought a civil war gun found in a barn for my father. It was so cool.

[@Myoutlanderpurgatory]

So funny…two of our nephews played football for Gettysburg college, so we’ve been there LOTS of times. Have not done much shopping there tho, so this is a good tip!!

[@jessicaseiden7222]

Loved your recap, Ty and I’d read/listen to Bees. It’s a comfort book. Lots of Fraser family time and Grey family dynamics. I love both even if it’s way slower than MOBY. ❤

[@cerisewilson4088]

I think brotherly love could also pertain to William’s efforts to protect Claire because of his fondness for Jamie.

[@jefsantamonica641]

Loved this. I remember some info from the book, but I'm not worrying about it and just watch the show for what it is. When we get into MOBY, I'll have to go with the show as I have it and have not read it. Thanks ladies! I'm always interested on your takes.

[@LouLou-bu2th]

Only sisters can bicker about whether or not a Quaker can fight back when being held in a “choke hold” (albeit wimpy) and threatened with violent murder. 🤣 Having 3 sisters myself, 💯! As much as I like JB, I do think Ian’s behavior doesn’t quite hit the mark of big bad tough Highlander/Mohawk. 😬 Came back to say … The show has now outlasted my book reading so this is all new to me. Too many discussions have been overheard for me to believe Jamie really is dead. I have a feeling Claire will marry Lord John. Outlander is very good again! 👏🏻

[@celiamccormick6365]

Jamie and Jenny go to the ship to put their belongings on board and the ship is gone. They find out that the ship left early for the locals. That's what happened in the book.

[@PippaHanahan]

Need a family tree for this one

[@amritawhitman8112]

As someone who hasn't read the books I've yet to find anything within the series to be confusing. It's very easy to follow. We learned many episodes ago that Roger is descended from Dougal and Geillis. Why would you feel the need to put a spoiler alert on parts of this video because Roger refers to it in his head...in this episode? I thought the purpose of this discussion is to talk about episode 710. If people decide to watch your discussion before they watch the episode, that's their problem, not yours.

[@Myoutlanderpurgatory]

As we often say, we don’t remember what we said five minutes ago. I think we determined that a spoiler alert wasn’t needed there, no?

[@amritawhitman8112]

@@Myoutlanderpurgatory Yes, I noticed you didn't add a spoiler alert. I was merely commenting about that part of the discussion. I appreciate that you're both being very considerate of your viewers, but I don't think you need to trouble yourselves about this one! Out of all my friends and family I'm the only one who is an Outlander fan, so watching your discussion allows me to vicariously be a participant! 🤣

[@martinaprior6551]

LJG is no longer commissioned but still allowed to wear his uniform. He does it for safety and intimidation. My husband is retired from active duty but could still wear his officer's dress blues for events and functions.

[@amritawhitman8112]

@@martinaprior6551 That's a good point and good to know! When I heard LJG say that I wondered if that is something that would be allowed. LJG is a wise man! Thanks for explaining it.

[@OurBucketListHasHoles]

I was totally grossed out too Carol lol. I looked away 😂

[@martinaprior6551]

You are right Ian is not a wolf ….he is a lamb

[@carlahays7724]

I haven’t watched it yet - I’m in Indiana helping my son and daughter in law in their new house. My husband is waiting for me to get home tomorrow so we can watch together. 💙💕

[@martinaprior6551]

Don't you think Dougal is way too old for this timeline ?

[@Myoutlanderpurgatory]

I feel like Dougal looks the same no matter how old he is lolol!!

[@judyholiday1794]

Hey !!! I have been waiting for this one..

[@jessicaseiden7222]

IMO, book Ian and show Ian are so different. Personally, in the books, I still wanted Rachel to be with William but I could see how she chose Ian. Also, it was good for the development of the Fraser family. I think show only fans may feel differently. Curious to see their pref. Charles is doing a great job and I like Izzy’s casting too. But I agree something’s not there with Ian and Rachel.

[@Bailey2006a]

I’m not a book reader but the blabbermouths on Instagram let the cat out of the bag. So, I know what Claire will do. At first , it was hard to accept but the actor that plays Lord John is so damned good looking that the decision became much more acceptable ..lol

[@sil.ke76]

Helllooooo ❤❤

[@amritawhitman8112]

Around 14:39 at the start of Roger and Buck's scene with Geillis posted on the screen we see "Scotland 1739". Claire arrives in November 1743. Have you seen the new video with Richard Rankin and Diarmaid Murtagh TV Insider posted in which they answer questions about this episode? The first question is why doesn't Roger tell Buck who Geillis is? He has a great answer: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXK5gYqFqLGXgbs

[@anamariahernandezjauckens1380]

In the books Jamie and Jenny travel together. Young Ian is crying for his uncle and mother 😢 And yes, the captain of the Euterpe leave to America a day or two before he should 🍾🍾

[@4UStevePerry]

Yes they think they both died.Jamie and Jenny. I remember wee Ian (books) crying that both his parents are gone and his uncle Jamie all at one time. They also had that shaman fellow who likes Jenny. Remember? and he was telling her that Ian was following him. Wasn't also the nephew Henry and Mercy were inlove?

[@Myoutlanderpurgatory]

Yes the shaman is in book 9. Not really sure if much happens with Henry/Mercy after book 8…

[@judyholiday1794]

I thought LJ got a key from a chest of drawers and unlocked the door to enter Claire's room? Maybe I'm wrong because those scenes had me all teary eyed up.. As what for my opinion about Claire marrying LJ she's too mule headed to do that in my opinion..So what I believe will happen us that as Claire is about to hang we will hear Jaime yelling Stop! I am married to this woman and I am here to remove her from your neck noose or something crazy and predictable like that .I also do not feel nor see the chemistry between Ian and Rachel so that was a huge lwt down ..I just realized that I have been the only person to comment on here so far and I am so sorry that I have hogged up so much space. I was just listening to you and I would comment and then a few minutes later something else would pop in to my head and I would have to share again.. Anyway I loved your thoughts and the time you 2 spend to break down this series for all of the fans .

[@Myoutlanderpurgatory]

Omgosh, don’t ever apologize for making lots of comments-the more the merrier!!

[@bonya4585]

The name of Philly is City of Brotherly Love. I’m not sure if it goes deeper than that. Idk

[@OurBucketListHasHoles]

🙋🏻 IMO I think she knows and is like going “oh wow they are from the future”

[@janish4027]

Omg...didn't you guys see National Treasure? 😂

[@Myoutlanderpurgatory]

No-I never did!! What happens in it?

[@martinaprior6551]

I don’t know if she remembers Roger in the bar, she was more focused on Bree and her political rallies.

[@peteg475]

Well, this episode really furthered the plot, didn’t it? lol Lots to say…. - I loved the double meaning of “Brotherly Love”, with the flashback with Jamie and his brother, and then the episode is in Philadelphia. Clever. - Yeah, the nephew situation makes slightly more sense if he had been seen by surgeons already and one bullet had already been removed. But asking Claire to cross the ocean for this is still kinda un-credible to me. - As far as Ian’s death, (which was well done), maybe nobody wants to be digging a grave while the person is still alive? I mean, if you’re Old Ian, do you want to look out the window and see people digging a hole for you? Yeesh, maybe not. They weren’t certain how long he would last, anyway. - Tracey, i’m confused at your confusion about Lord John resigning his commission. I just assumed he told Claire about that in the letter (or Claire already had heard about that some other way), and Claire was just surprised to still see him in uniform when she finally sees him in person. And then he says “They still let me wear it as a courtesy.” Seems to make sense to me? - I just assumed Buck knew who his parents were, because most people do. But it seems like he doesn’t?? - Regarding William-Rachel-Ian: Like I said before, Rachel isn’t the kind of girl who’s down for a roll in the hay, and a wealthy Earl like William is not bringing home a simple Quaker girl from the Colonies to be his wife. It’s just not happening in real life, no matter how smitten William is. -Come to think of it, why is Claire putting her own life in danger to smuggle messages to the Rebels, when she already knows the Americans will win the war even if she doesn’t do anything? lol Time-travelers aren’t always logical, I guess. - I just wasn’t affected by Claire’s reaction to Jamie’s “death”, because everyone knows he’s not dead. It’s common sense - you don’t need to know the books to deduce that. And that’s “DOCTOR Franklin”, to you, Jamie! Not Mister!

[@Myoutlanderpurgatory]

You know, as I was editing the video, I totally realized what I had missed re: the commission-it was the uniform PERIOD that threw Claire. I’m blaming my Thanksgiving food coma lol.

[@KathleenFischer-r7y]

My grandfather was born kn Sicily and married my native born grandmother He didnt know he was born in Sicily. In 1928 when he got his birthcertificate he realized he was born in Sicily and was not a citizen. Due to the alien laws of the 1920s my grandmother lost her citizenship and their 4 children including my mom were not citizens. They all had to go thru naturalization. Because of this my cousins, my daughter and I all obtained our Itslisn citizenship.

[@jefsantamonica641]

I also got tired of the Mr. Bug routine, so happy that's done.

[@leslieross1046]

Walter Woodcock....not William...you did ask!!!

[@Myoutlanderpurgatory]

Doh!

[@CuteLilRN]

I think she turns away from William when he is holding the rosary because she is biting her tongue; she knows he isn’t catholic, but sees him use this; She has an inkling about him…

[@cerisewilson4088]

I don’t remember why Arch Bug wanted vengeance on Ian. Someone please remind me.

[@Myoutlanderpurgatory]

Ian accidentally killed his wife, so that's why he wants revenge....

[@mikerhodes9198]

There was a lot packed in this episode. Seeing Gailes and then Dougal, OMG. Then Roger's father's dog tags. Is he going to see his father? I don't think he does in ghe book but it's wide open what they allow to happen on the screen. The unknown of all this adds new intrigue which is welcome. Then, and here I fully agree with you, what's the deal with the lame scene with Bug and Rachel? Seriously, this looks like an initial walk through scene where they pull back all the action sequences. I am sure there were several remakes of this scene and then they screwed up and instead of using the best take they screwed up and used the walk through scene. As soon as I saw Bug have Rachel I thought what the hell. She was never restrained by Bug. Loose goosy limp arm restraint. And the dialog was poor. This was a critical scene and it was entirely lacking. Same for the anticipated scene on Ian and Rachel together. They were alone so there was no need for the restrained dialog. There should have been some passion. Or even a touch by Rachel towards Ian and to show us her passionate feelings coupled with her religious restraint. This should have had so much more love and tenderness shown. I have the same confusion you have on where Clair was staying. No mention of where or why. No direction at all. Completly missing part of the story. The spy bit was lame. Performed once as a favor and then no mention until the end that she had become a regular spy. What was she thinking? Oh wait! She wasn't thinking. Roger's scenes are the best. All of them. The end scenes when she learns of Jamie's death was compelling. Good acting. But the scenes where Lord John blairs out for her to marry him were awful. He needed to tell Claire the story in a gentle way instead of just rushing it all out. He could have sit down with her and laid out what was likely to happen and proposed the only solution that would keep her from bring hanged. They shair loving Jamie and this could have been a gentle and obviously an awkward scene but fully nessary. There need not have been any confusion as to what or why Lord John was asking. In general, for the writing, there was genius as well as sloppy writing on critical scenes. Missed opportunities. Great scenes and sub-standard scenes. Don't get me wrong. I have read the books and love the story line and fully endorse some embellishment of the story but with so much time between seasons I expected better. Still, looking forward to the continuing saga.

[@lakecrazy]

Speaking of Claire’s wig…didn’t she have quite a bit of gray hair (but hadn’t gone all white)….where is her gray?

[@leslieross1046]

Denzel and Rachel's last name is Hunter.

[@OurBucketListHasHoles]

Is Dougal Bucks father? I can’t remember from the books lol.

[@Myoutlanderpurgatory]

Yes!!

[@mellie2274]

I thought in a previous season that Roger did tell Buck the identities of his parents.

[@OurBucketListHasHoles]

@@Myoutlanderpurgatory Thank you 🫶

[@OurBucketListHasHoles]

@@mellie2274 Thank you 🫶

[@madeleine1313]

Jamie is not dead! Claire will marry Lord John and then Jamie will come back.

[@judyholiday1794]

I grew up in the mountains of Virginia and I now live in Charleston,SC ..Just listening to you talk about snow is pulling at my heartstrings because I miss it especially around Christmas..😢

[@sarahdelinger5936]

Temporal and character whiplash!

[@andil6784]

This may be a spoiler but where is Dottie?

[@Myoutlanderpurgatory]

I’m wondering if Dottie will even be on the show…

[@thevicarage9841]

~Y'all there are simple answers to your questions. Jamie is left handed in the book. Sam is right-handed. Although he could have learned to sword fight with his left hand the decision was made to let him use his dominant hand in order to quickly obtain and demonstrate mastery. Ian, therefore, is on his left. ~As for them being on their favorite spot - Jamie/Sam effortlessly carried Ian/Steven to the laird's chamber, which is upstairs. It follows that he either carried Ian to the carriage and lifted him onto it, or Ian walked part of the way and Jamie did the rest. They wanted to reminisce. It was worth it. ~Ian was flanked by his soulmates - the two people that meant the most to him in all the world. He needed their love, strength and support. And he left them with his final words of love. ~I infer that he didn't want his children to see him die. He was the same with them as he was with young Ian. He wanted them to go on living full lives and remember him alive. ~The dying person and his last wishes have precedence over everyone else's. That honors the loved one. That scene rang true! There was peaceful acceptance. It was beautifully played. ~Jamie would absolutely want to dig the grave. It was his last act of service to his brother. ~Lord John was only in uniform to protect Mercy and his nephew. Mercy is a rebel. Claire was shocked to see him wearing it because he had resigned his commission and she thought he'd returned to service. But the uniform was his to wear whenever he chose. ~Claire was staying at Lord John's, but he was staying with Mercy to be near Henry. He was there day and night until after the successful surgery. But she was also often at Mercy's watching over Henry. Your boarding house was actually Lord John's mansion. Remember Mrs. Figg from the books? She's LJ's housekeeper and cook extraordinaire. ~Claire wore an apron to protect her clothes from blood and her sleeves were rolled up. ~Ian is off looking for Rachel. He has not left Philly yet. ~Rachel doesn't like William's rosary because Quakers don't believe in that sort of thing. They think it's wrong. She distracts herself in order to be kind. ~ Rachel didn't fight because Quaker's are pacifists. Which is weird, because it would be in Rachel's nature to fight. I guess she chose to stick to her principles. ~Ian was a rebel in a British occupied city. I'm not sure he could carry any weapons. Only the British could. I think... ~I think Ian and Rachel are adorable! (They are at Mercy's house because Claire had just bandaged him.) He is who he is and she is able to accept it because she loves him. The wolf illustration is beautiful. He is a wolf in practice. He's part of the Wolf clan. A fighter. A risk taker. Canny. Don't forget all he's learned and been through with the Mohawk. The loss he's experienced. He was a loner, like a lone wolf, for a long time. But gradually, with the resolution he has with Emily, and knowing he's fathered a son, healing has taken place. And he is now able to love Rachel except for that pesky Bug. Obstacle gone. (Thanks William!) Much was made that he is a combination of Highlander and Mohawk. Fierce when he needs to be. But tender. Rachel knows she cannot tame his actions. And will not try. He's supposed to be a younger version of Jamie. ~Claire is coming home to LJ's from the gardens and there she finds out that Jamie is gone. She then holes up in her bedroom. But after Richardson tells LJ that she's going to be arrested he bounds upstairs and unlocks Claire's room. He clearly has a master key. And then he tries to save her. ~Caitriona was amazing, amazing, amazing. David Berry is no slouch. What a ride! LOVED it! ~They brought closure and moved the story forward. What an episode! We have to remember that at this point they thought S7 was the last one. It wasn't until halfway through the shoot that they found out they had been renewed for S8. That's why everything is condensed. ~Next week is going to be very interesting...I can't wait since Cait has said that this episode really challenged her. She had a hard time finding her way into how to approach it. The hardest scene of the whole show. I'm counting the days!