Browning Citori Recoil Reset Trigger Operation

A brief overview of the various components and operation of the Browning Citori with a recoil reset trigger.

[@saleembarmania5295]

This is so easy to follow. Thank you. Please explain the Browning ejector kickers too.

[@rockriv2238]

Thanks for explaining this. You really cleared up my concerns with my citori. Appreciate you making this video 👍

[@1morejohnson]

Same here. I thought I bought a lemon. 😅😅😅

[@saleembarmania5295]

Thank you! That was crystal clear.

[@arahyabayat1288]

Thank you so much I was looking for something like this for a month

[@utgolfnut]

Awesome video….have u done a video showing removal of springs and firing pins?????…..thx.

[@christopher3725]

Great video. Very well spoken...Thank you.......

[@clockworkbike]

Great video. Now I don't have to take my Citori apart to see how it works!

[@kraken509]

This was very useful information. Thanks. What would you look into if the top barrel ejector only auto ejects half the time?

[@bugeater16]

Thanks for this video. Now I technically understand why my second barrel occasionally does not want to go bang.

[@scotheath3201]

Which gun? If it's a 725, take a look at my video on why that happens.

[@AaronsAnglingAdventures]

Very good video.

[@thebudgetshooteruk]

This is helpful! Busy stripping a Miroku 4800 I just picked up and noticed a rattle in the action. Turns out it’s the inertia block that’s moving slightly up and down - is this normal? Can be heard distinctly when the action is shaken 😮 Anyone able to advise? Many thanks, Gareth

[@bruceyeoward6544]

Great video. If possible could do a video on mechanical triggers ie Win 101 showing how it works and why a double discharge occurs ie worn tree toggle or sears main or trigger.

[@bobhill3941]

Fantastic video, thanks, concise, to the point, easy to understand. Are recoil reset triggers the reason doubles trap or skeet shooters can get their second shot off so fast? Thanks.

[@scotheath3201]

No. Any trigger resets faster than the shooter. Some folks are just really good at acquiring the second target and moving aggressively .

[@bobhill3941]

@@scotheath3201 Thank you so much.

[@jamesp739]

I have a Citori 4-barrel skeet set from the mid 1980s and it has the recoil reset trigger. Question: How does it accomodate the various levels of recoil generated by the various gauges? Is it set up for reliability with the .410 bore and everything else is just overkill? Of the multiple thousands of rounds in all gauges I've shot, I have never had a failure to fire, either the first or second shot. In the 35+ years I've owned and shot this set, it has been dead nuts reliable. For what it's worth, I always shoot the lower barrel first. In addition, I always load two shells, except for station 8 and option shots of course.

[@scotheath3201]

Is it set up for reliability with the .410 bore and everything else is just overkill?

[@jamesp739]

Wow! Thanks for the quick reply! Jim@@scotheath3201

[@hankb4570]

Does this apply to citori CXS white special edition.And the Winchester AA ammunition gives it some problems.

[@scotheath3201]

Yes, all but the "mechanical" triggers on the 725 but even those operate as recoil reset when firing live ammo.

[@brianchavet8001]

Hi Scot, was recently out shooting trap with a newbie shooting a plain Jane Citori. Since he is new he didn't know proper etiquette and loaded two shells. After firing the top barrel first and upon opening the gun both the spent shell and the unfired shell ejected. I've looked all over and haven't had any luck finding what causes this and how to address the problem. Any ideas?

[@scotheath3201]

Yes, the ejector trip rods depend on friction from being "bent" such that they don't move forward in their bores from recoil. If there is too little force required to move them, they can move to the trip position and trip the ejector hammer sear in the forearm upon opening. They're surprisingly "sticky" due to their shape.

[@kerm9807]

Do you have a video on how to change to a auto safety on a Browning B525?

[@scotheath3201]

No. Someone asked about installing an auto safety on the 725 as well, I've not seen an auto safety on the Citori or 725 platform on other similar guns, this is merely a bar connected by screw to the locking block such that when the locking block is retracted, the bar pushes the top tang mounted safety rearward to it's safe position. If you don't see how that is accomplished, post a photo of the parts and I'll do my best to create a drawing.

[@kerm9807]

@@scotheath3201 cheers mate Kerm from the UK 🇬🇧

[@jimhumphrey6806]

well done

[@scotheath3201]

Thank you.

[@thomreede1728]

Any suggestions for when under then over only fires the under?

[@scotheath3201]

First thing to check is trapping the trigger. If it doesn't fire the over barrel on the second shot , take your finger all the way out of the trigger gaurd then re-insert and pull tbe trigger. If the gun fires, you're trapping the trigger. If not, it's something mechanical. Take the stock off, use some snap caps and fire the under barrel then move the safety to on then back to off and see if fires. If not, what is happening, why doesn't the second sear lift?

[@firstoriginals]

Nice presentation. Need a 3D demonstration too.

[@scotheath3201]

I'm pretty sure that receiver is 3D.

[@ImHungryMK]

would love to see this video done with the 725.

[@scotheath3201]

Done. Please see kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6qvd2BsiLR1qc0

[@twiki1963]

@@scotheath3201 at 2:20 in the linked video, you mention INERTIA BLOCK. I’d thought the 725 trigger was not inertial. After all, I can dry fire both barrels in succession. Is that possible with an inertia trigger? Thanks.

[@scotheath3201]

@@twiki1963 Inertia is still part of the process. The hammer springs impart inertia to the disconnector which in turn, imparts inertia to the inertia block. In my opinion, to be called a mechanical trigger there should be no reliance on inertia in the process . For example, if the act of pulling the trigger caused the sear to drop off the middle shelf in the absence of hammer springs, it would be a true mechanical trigger. I've seen Citoris modified to operate in this fashion by angling the forward part of the middle shelf downward. I've also seen that part and the sear wear in other guns to the point that the sear would remain stationary while the shelf would slide rearward causing a no-fire.

[@twiki1963]

@@scotheath3201 thanks for that explanation. Would version 2 of the hammer spring (the one that bulges in the middle) have anything to do with this? Or was the 725 always designed to be a (not really true) mechanical trigger? Also, would you have any insight into what might cause my trigger to (very occasionally) get *very heavy*, to the point where squeezing it moves my gun enough to cause me to lose the target? Am I not cleaning or lubricating it enough? Thank You.

[@scotheath3201]

@@twiki1963 Since the spring moves vertically as well as extending as the hammer pivots forward, the original design relied only on the vertical motion to impart motion to the disconnector. Later, 2 piece springs with a washer and now a spring with a large diameter coil were implemented and my theory is that this was done to give the disconnector more energy with which to disengage the inertia block. It may have reduced the occurrences of the failures to reset but didn't eliminate them. As for you trigger question, is it on the 2nd shot only and are you able to cause the gun to fire by simply squeezing with a lot of force? There was another question about "trigger lock" which is most likely due to the locking lug blocking the trigger (which it does when the gun is open) as a consequence of not quite engaging deeply enough. I suggested that the person should give the top lever a little push CW if that were to occur as a test to see if that was the reason or not. If it's 2nd shot only and you can't get the gun to fire, it's most likely trapping the trigger. If you can get the gun to fire, that's a puzzler as the block must be under the sear for it to lift and fire and I can't think of anything that would increase the force only occassionally.

[@christopher3725]

Scot What do you think of the Barreta silver pigeon 1 sporting vs 725 browing.

[@scotheath3201]

I've always favored the Browning action over the 6XX Beretta guns. I've owned both and still have several Browning. The bolt surface area is much greater and kept clean and lubed, will last many 100000 rounds.

[@christopher3725]

@@scotheath3201 thank you for your reply. I was going to sell my browning at a great loss. I will try the other triggers that came with the 725.

[@juampalozano97]

Hi scott my inertia block has a lot of freeplay and is not working properly, do you think i could get some guidance?

[@scotheath3201]

Not really enough information, one check I always do is with the stock off, fire each barrel as first shot, pull the recoil block back by hand and return it gently, side shelf should drop under the remaining sear every time with no binding.

[@juampalozano97]

@@scotheath3201 I think I found the issue and its missing the trigger piston and trigger piston spring, is there a book or a instruction manual o how to put it back on?

[@juampalozano97]

@@scotheath3201 thank you for your help

[@Thestripper1]

I never got the point with inertia driven shotguns. If you load a dud, or say if you load or choose the wrong barrel on the clay range you will then get a click and will not be able to shoot the second barrel. How can this be a good thing?

[@scotheath3201]

They're easier to implement. With a mechanical reset, the mechanism must insure the sear has released before the switch to the other sear. Easy enough with sufficient over-travel or a link from hammer to reset mechanism but much closer tolerances are in order. Adding a little mass to the mechanism is a simple way to guarantee the sear has released before resetting. As usual, it's all about profit.

[@Thestripper1]

@@scotheath3201 Yeah you ar right. The weird thing is that mechanical reset is usually found on cheaper guns..

[@user-zf4qs2jy3n]

Wtf was wrong with a reliable mechanical trigger? Thanks for the demo.

[@scotheath3201]

Cost. Less hand fit parts here.

[@user-zf4qs2jy3n]

How much can a trigger job really be on a $2,000 shotguns and up? I'm sure I'm not the only one who would pay the extra $100 for a silky smooth mechanical trigger.@@scotheath3201

[@juancarlosbelletti6335]

No entiendo nada de lo que dice porque no se ingles