Thor: Love And Thunder And Taika Waititi

Thor: Love And Thunder is... a movie that exists. Truly a downgrade from Ragnarok, and the direction the character is taking in his solo films is all because of Taika Waititi. I'm not joking. It's time to talk about who Thor was, who Thor is, and why this happened.
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[@charleslebi7297]

The greatest problem with Thor L&T is it treated everything like a joke. Thor destroys temple- joke, Sif arm cut off-joke, Kids kidnapped- joke etc. The fact everything is a joke dramatically reduces the stakes and makes the film feel weightless.

[@Browntable]

I removed the scene from the video for pacing, but I actually talked about how the kids being kidnapped is played off as a joke and so there’s zero tension throughout the movie other than Jane dying.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

It's sad that Marvel can't seem to balance the drama and comedy when it comes to their more out there characters and world's, like what James Gunn did for Guardians of the Galaxy. Almost like they feel ashamed of Thor and just turned him into a parody. Although, I feel like Endgame left him a joke without direction or purpose and this film doubled down on that.

[@suezcontours6653]

@@Browntable 3:30 Kamala Khan more mature? Maybe he is retreating to his childish dude bro side because he literally lost everything and this is how he deals with it.

[@ProcyonNite]

@@suezcontours6653 He brought this up in the video. In Ragnarok and Infiniry War, we got to see how Thor uses comedy to deal with his losses. And this was shown effectively. The problem in the new Thor is that they show this but timed it by 100. Thor doesn’t just use comedy, he becomes a full dumb child. He isn’t serious about anything, and it just makes him seem so out of character. There always needs to be a balance between seriousness and comedy, and this includes the way characters talk and act.

[@antona.8659]

So... Exactly like Ragnaschlock. He in that movie would rather crack jokes than show any concern over his friends.

[@machodgdon]

Christian Bale definitely had back problems from absolutely carrying this movie

[@npcimknot958]

Agree. I was rooting for gor cause could tell Bale was doing his best

[@jimjam7928]

@@npcimknot958 I was rooting for him in the story aswell. We literally see firsthand how shitty all of the gods are, and never see any of them doing anything outside of their own interests. Why exactly is Gorr the villain of this story?!

[@maxdrags3115]

I think Jane carried it more TBH.

[@duran4571]

@@jimjam7928 they should’ve made him kill Thor

[@andreaxleste]

He wasn’t even that good. Not scary at all…

[@Batmantherealbatman]

Can we talk about how Loki's death was also treated as a joke in this movie? Like the slideshow of all the times he died at the beginning for comedic relief, thor's back tattoo? It honestly made me sad, and I'm wondering "am I supposed to laugh at this? What's the joke? That thor misses his dead brother? "

[@tallerwarrior1256]

I honestly think that fame is going through Taika’s head. He constantly flaunts that he doesn’t give a shit or doesn’t know what he’s doing, specifically with Marvel and Star Wars. As someone who wants to pursue film and take it seriously, having him go from being one of the biggest up and coming indie filmmakers to becoming a straight up hustler who does odd jobs for Disney really was one of the biggest fall offs in the entire film industry. This man really needs alone time for himself, away from the industry, and work on original projects. For me I’m just going to stay away from Marvel unless a project looks extremely promising to me.

[@mr.aretzu284]

right? Taika is my favorite director currently but he has zero passion for marvel right now and so he shouldn't have even tried

[@tallerwarrior1256]

@@mr.aretzu284 I think the only reason why he did it was because it paid well, or he just likes pissing people off for all the wrong reasons. I swear it's like a lot of these directors make bad movies just to provoke people but really people aren't mad at their project specifically. They're mad that they've invested so much time, patience, and money into a franchise, only for these guys, who have little to no care for it, come in and change or make controversial decisions on said franchise on purpose. Then when things don't go their way they start calling fans toxic, racist, sexist, homophobic or any other buzzword. I'm not saying that all fans aren't toxic, but I am saying that there aren't as much as people say there are.

[@elisemariechoi1531]

Oh god, unrelated, but I hope this attitude doesn't spill over his current show he's making- our flag means death. I didn't really know Taika that much aside from Jojo Rabbit, a film I really liked, but hearing how he's made films that disappointed so many people freaks me the hell out. It will never ever be not terrifying to see a filmmaker fall off slowly, especially when you have seen them make great things.

[@tallerwarrior1256]

@@elisemariechoi1531 All of his original projects (Hunt For The Wilderpeople, What We Do In The Shadows, JoJo Rabbit, and Our Flag Means Death) have been good. He’s only messed up with marvel and most likely Star Wars. Next Goal Wins will be his next project and I’m hoping he’ll be able to come back from it.

[@MagicalSkyWizard]

Taika should focus on making Our Flag Means Death, that show is gold.

[@tux75]

I loved the part where I didn't go to the theatre and Chris Hemsworth himself came over to my home and said you look like you need some love and thunder. Really moving

[@d3l3tes00n]

Tell us more about the thunder he gave you...

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

It's always Morbin time

[@rexgotjinxed1]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp indeed

[@daddy_1453]

He said it. He said the line.

[@arachnoman7421]

@@d3l3tes00n ... Sus

[@toontrooper4103]

Taika not caring about Thor's comic history, thinking it's weird, but still making the movie anyway is what got comic movies hated before the MCU.

[@RX552VBK]

BINGO!

[@rajavlitra]

Well fuck me, now I'm scared of what might happen to The Incal.

[@Xoulrath_]

Yep...

[@RX552VBK]

@@rajavlitra So am I. It'd be a shame if Taika radically changes the story and characters just for a chuckle or two.

[@Lunk42]

100% this. Then we finally start getting good ones with love and care put into them and people like taika go out of their way to ruin them.

[@777jimothy]

Imagine being the writers for The Mighty Thor comics finding out your story will be told on the big screen only to get this

[@InDeathWeLove]

Imagine being the writer of the original Gorr storyline making a serious philosophical take on the gods and their place in the marvel universe and then getting love and thunder as the treatment of your creation.

[@jacobmatthews7524]

@@InDeathWeLove and then hearing taika say "ill destroy your mythos in a minute, baby"

[@jacobmatthews7524]

@Neil Deep that doesnt mean they have to be absolute sh ite

[@reitakanashi532]

​@Neil Deep this has nothing to do with the comment, because he said "imagine how they would feel" about what they did to their original work, like for example Miles Morales origin story was heavily altered to the Movie but the creator loved what they did

[@valerial9081]

@Neil Deep that doesn't justify making a shitty movie

[@owlgoddess8534]

i agree with most of your points here, but the idea that korg being removed from love and thunder would change nothing is flat out wrong. if korg was absent from this movie it would be significantly better.

[@m.syauqiabdurahman2798]

Yeah I mean the film is already unbearable , and they added korg to the movie And it makes the movie more cursed to watch for me . Seriously rn , the only mcu phase 4 content that i liked is Shang Chi , Eternals , and Ms.Marvels , and even that 3 content isn't enough for getting my faith to mcu back .

[@duckman8943]

The director of "Thor Love and Thunder" Taika Waititi is the voice of Korg and that's why Korg was in the movie

[@m.syauqiabdurahman2798]

@@duckman8943 Yeah But i wished they killed Korg literally by Zeus and the narratoon is done by Thor afterwards

[@MARYWTHER]

@@m.syauqiabdurahman2798 Or yknow, no narration. Movies can be self-explanatory, no need for someone narrating the stuff happening in the story. It's weak. Also, maybe that's just me, but I'm really tired of Taika's constant self-inserts in his own projects. Every project he's directed or written, he's been starring in it...

[@valerial9081]

Who was Korg again

[@ManAtWar_8895]

Taika Waititi did not self-insert himself only into Thor. He's basically every character in the movie! He's cosplaying every character in a parody. That's what it felt like

[@HoudiniTM]

Sim ele fez paródia dos personagens!

[@MayLily]

Yep, I mean Taika was literally everywhere in the movie. It's bad enough he directed and wrote everything but he cast himself as Korg who overstayed his welcome and basically over-narrated everything, smh.

[@queenb2450]

@@MayLily that's how you know Taika has a bit of ...an ego. Like stay out of it. I was hoping Korg would actually die but NOPE. Of course Taika couldn't kill off the most useless character in the universe.

[@ariyuril]

I’d believe this take if it wasn’t for how Taika was still able to make a good movie (Jojo Rabbit) post-Thor Ragnarok, where there was no Disney involved. For me the only time it was truly Taika’s brand was the beginning and the confrontation on the astroid, while 70% of the movie is Disney looking at Taika and yelling “SAY THE WITTY THING, TAIKA!!!” for every character like that Bart Simpson meme. The same thing happened in MoM with Sam Raimi - you can tell which parts of the movie are signaturely his and which where the scenes where an executive had a checklist of scenes needed for a standard MCU movie.

[@thareelhelloagain]

@@ariyuril Hard disagree. Thought Jojo Rabbit was a piece of trite shite.

[@alejandrovallencci]

Thor as a character in the MCU is so tragic. He lost literally everyone, and then failed to stop Thanos in the last moment. He fell into a 5 year long depression and came back to redeem himself and save everyone. Imagine my disappointment when his main character arc in L&T was “Hammer or Axe?”

[@dr.trousers6101]

Heart break🗿🗿🗿🗿💀💀

[@ethancobb7498]

Perrin?

[@gustavopereira4924]

it was thorbin time tho... until it was Gorrin time

[@beayn]

It was just forced humor by Taika. I get the impression he doesn't want to make serious movies, just funny ones but his humor isn't the best. The guy in this video says Jo Jo Rabbit was great, but I want my 2 hours back from that garbage.

[@dr.trousers6101]

@@beayn Jojo was great. you have to remember it was from the Childs perspective. the humour suits

[@huntercool2232]

This movie absolutely DESTROYED Thor’s character. He used to be serious, but also comedic and witty when it was appropriate. Every time you’d see him on screen fighting you’d get chills. Now he’s become the laughing stock of the MCU. And for some reason they made Jane’s character the serious one in this movie when we haven’t even see her in the MCU in several years and all of a sudden she’s worthy enough to weld Thor’s hammer because she has CANCER?! Also why did they bring up cancer in this movie when that is literally such a dark topic and this movie was not serious whatsoever. I was also extremely disappointed with hardly seeing Gorr who is supposed to be one of Marvel’s most powerful villains and we barely even saw him fight let alone killing thee Gods despite his name being “The God Butcher.” Shame Taika Waititi who put literally no effort in this multimillion dollar film.

[@jexton3045]

Jane having cancer is an arc from the comics, not Taikas choice

[@neow6289]

@@jexton3045 Yeah but the way he handled it is so ass

[@jexton3045]

@@neow6289 True, but the OP thinks it's weird that she can weird mjolnir solely because she has cancer. It sounds strange, but it's not Taikas fault, it's from the comics

[@onouphrios]

@@neow6289 facts, it felt rushed and shoehorned in

[@-Teague-]

@@jexton3045 the comics did a terrible job handling it and it was still miles better than this movie

[@normancooper2762]

Perhaps after the success of "Thor: Ragnarok", Taiki and Marvel felt Taika could do no wrong, that fans would senselessly devour whatever he placed before them. Sadly, after a stunning teaser and much fanfare, "Love and Thunder" turned out to be a BIG disappointment. You might be right: Taika did not care.

[@cameramike2515]

Idk I felt like it was Disney who had more of a hand in this considering the total downfall of the MCU in Phase 4.

[@kbraven7007]

@@cameramike2515 Yeah and even then Thor 4 was unnecessary to Thor’s story arc and remove what made the first three good (I really enjoy them and let me have this one) and Thor’s character development. Plus removing Loki definitely did not help matters.

[@MARYWTHER]

@@cameramike2515 Y'all need to stop blaiming "Disney" for what are obviously writing and directing faults. Now ofc Disney wanted to cash in on something that worked very well with Ragnarok money-wise, but whether it's Ragnarok or Love and Thunder, it's TAIKA who decided to make these movies what they were.

[@thepubknight6144]

​@@MARYWTHER This is a problem overall, whenever someone does something successful especially when it hadn't been before people get cult like and treat the director, writer or studios like they're infallible which makes All studios stay stagnant and stay with the status quo And I agree this Disney blaming is really simple headed thinking

[@geepike]

It’s common practice for movies to have reshoots, editing, crowd showings to gauge reaction, and green lights after everything’s **approved**. Whether or not Taika messed this movie up, Feige and Disney released this movie. The fact there are similar issues popping up in most of their projects these days should say a lot. I think it’s a knee jerk response to the heaviness of Infinity/Endgame, and a stretch waaaaay too far imo. They went from comedy to comic book to live-action-cartoon-characters. It’s not a good look.

[@peterfrank3365]

The Guardians were underutilized terribly, especially Quill. Thor has lost the most in the whole MCU. And who would know this wound the most but the one team who's very foundation is based of loss? Instead of exploring, movie sent them away in the first minutes. Why Quill? His mother fell in love with a space man and subsequently dying of cancer. How did the filmmakers fail to see the parallels with Jane Foster?

[@Nemrai]

When it seemed like they set up a movie with both Thor and the Guardians, I was excited about that. But, then they just dropped it, and badly so.

[@theirongiants]

It's Taika Watiti duh

[@jaimeruiz7837]

I honestly thought… that they were going to use that bridge to have Quill convince Thor to stay behind and with Jane. Guess not haha

[@t.a6159]

Its always funny in taika land.

[@peterfrank3365]

@@Nemrai The 'Thor' franchise found new life when it turned into a pastiche of past decade's B-grade space operas in comedic tone, accompanied by a classic tune. What is that if not the Guardians' thing? Beneath the cosmetics, the characters share a similar story. Frigga's words to lift Thor off of his failures echoes the final exchanges of Ego and Quill. However, 'Love and Thunder' wasn't interested in any of that. The pastiche only feels faint and the classic tunes are less purposeful.

[@olivercrespo2329]

Thors monologue to rocket about how long he’s lived and how many he’s slayed and how it is his destiny to destroy Thanos is maybe my favorite dialogue scene in the entire franchise. It captures everything about his character up to that point and it’s delivered expertly by Hemsworth. Sad to see that they’ve ruined who could’ve been the new leader of the next generation of avengers.

[@Steveglenside1723]

Wonderful point. I loved that scene.The elevator scene with Loki in Ragnarok was fantastic as well. Thor acknowledges and accepts that he and his brother are two different people despite his hope of them fighting together forever. The look of Loki's face as Thor is bringing up the past and the realization that he's responsible for some of his brother's pain is priceless.

[@transformersrevenge9]

I liked how back in Thor 2, Odin was overcome with anger and couldn't think straight, while Thor was keeping his cool and trying to come up with a winning plan. A reverse of movie 1, where Thor was acting irrationally, out of anger for his enemies.

[@carlosrivas1629]

Thor is putting up a front for Rocket and he has always been a bit of an idiot. he has always been an idiot and remember he didnt go for the head when it mattered most. not when Thanos is surrendered and weak but at Wakanda. just to be clear. making Thanos suffer will only piss him off; Starlord was right about that.

[@Arak_Drakoniz]

That’s probably he was dumbed way the fuck down; imagine the meltdown there would be with another white male leading the Avengers.

[@Raeqwon17]

@@carlosrivas1629 I think starlord is the last person that can talk shit about messing up with thanos.

[@stargazer6510]

"You will be a wise king." "There never will be a wiser king or a father. I have much to learn...I know that now. Perhaps one day I can make you proud." "You already made me proud." The final conversation between Thor and Odin in the first Thor movie. Ragnarok had some great dialogues. The Dark World had some amazing moments. Wtf happened in TL&T?

[@happylittleacident]

lets all take a minute to appreciate Christian Bale in this film. he killed his role and was the highlight for me. he seemed like the only one with an actual storyline, a past, goal, pain, arc and character growth and finally found peace seeing his daughter before he died.

[@AgentZeata]

When you were talking about Thor not remembering that he told Mjolnir to keep Jane safe and thinking it was going to come back up, it made me realize a massive missed opportunity that would have added some more emotional oomph and character development at the end of the movie. Imagine if Thor did remember that and right before the third act when Jane was in the hospital, he told Mjolnir not to protect Jane anymore, so that she would be safe and wouldn't die from using the hammer, and then left to go fight Gorr. Then imagine that Jane came in to help later with the hammer, like she did, but it would be because some time after Thor left, she tried to pick up the hammer and it then deemed her worthy because she was willing to die to help her friends, not because she was using it to try and fight her cancer. When we'd see her pop up, we'd get to realize that it's because she was deemed worthy and we'd get to watch Thor realize that as well. It would be a nice end for Jane's character arc, showing that she had become a real hero and that she was worthy.

[@Browntable]

Holy shit this is so much better

[@AgentZeata]

​@@Browntable Thanks! Kinda makes me sad/mad cause I feel like there were a lot of moments throughout the film that could have had much more weight with some retooling. I've heard a lot of people say this, but it really feels like there's a good movie hiding somewhere in this but it just got lost somehow. Maybe there was an early draft of the script that had more emotionally poignant moments and flow but it was changed a bunch or maybe that draft just never existed.

[@derpknightfully]

@@AgentZeata I've read a lot about deleted scenes that added a lot to the plot. Taika just chopped up the movie as he felt like

[@ManAtWar_8895]

This comment has more heart than the entire movie. Made me choke up for a second there. ❤️

[@petamellark.]

@@AgentZeata that was so good!

[@xxepic_gamer69xx36]

I feel bad for Hemsworth, I really do, he’s put so much passion into this role, he’s a reason why I love Thor, the fact that even he wasn’t happy with the outcome of this movie really shows how poorly made this movie is

[@carlosrivas1629]

that ike your opinion man, it was well made and fits with his character to me. there are two people casual movie goers and fans. it does not ruin hid mythos for me. he did well.

[@chaburchak]

I wonder if he took this movie just so he could give his daughter a role there at the end. "How would you like to be in one of Daddy's big expensive movies?"

[@charlestonianbuilder344]

@@carlosrivas1629 well you cant just destroy the continuity of previous story arcs for some casual entertainment, thats like making thanos a whiny bitch who cowers in fear after building him up to be the fiercest bad guy just for some laughs and jokes, and thats the same direction thor love and thunder took

[@carlosrivas1629]

@@charlestonianbuilder344 they did not, Thor was always kind of an idiot from the start.

[@carlosrivas1629]

@@charlestonianbuilder344 that just your opinion and their like aholes most of them stink.

[@seth9820]

Loved how he ended it with "Thor the Dark World was better" and totally agree. TTDW actually had a plot that involved characters that mattered and dealt with them accordingly. Thor Love and Thunder just made fun of every character and reduced them to arrogance or stupidity EXCEPT for a few choice female characters.

[@Double-Trouble_]

That montage was so good! It made Thor come across as someone who has lost so much and throughout his journey managed to find his way back to where he started, a God with immense power capable of such greatness. That edit made him feel like a legend!

[@ricardozk]

god×

[@joslynjanes8150]

The fact they couldn't even commit on killing Valkyrie and Korg but just killed Jane and gorr was just baffling, to say the least.

[@RX552VBK]

The Gorr comic saga is very well written and drawn and it really deserved better than this derivative nonsense. Taika is a very talented filmmaker and a pretty good comedic actor, but he's not good with superhero films (he doesn't like them).

[@MrLachapell]

Damn i shouldn't have read that

[@Sun.Shine-]

It was okay for me that they killed off Jane

[@scale8125]

Thor 4 should've come out after Guardians 3. I think James Gunn would've done Thor enough justice that Taika would be forced to respect the direction Guardians set him on.

[@Browntable]

You’re spittin, that being said idk if Gunn would want to write a third Guardians with a random new character that “isnt his” yknow?

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

I blame the Russo's for not giving Thor any purpose or direction in Endgame. It could have worked if they should have made him an overprotective king, and married to Lady Sif. Then in the 4th film he could have children of his own, and have to face off against Gorr. They could have set the tone for phase 4, but instead they doubled down on jokes and the next phase did the same.

[@jimjam7928]

It should have gone: Asgardians of the Galaxy Thor 4 Guardians of the Galaxy 3

[@astrinymris9953]

False hope: Taika would just ignore it like he did all the previous canon and characterization of Loki. He doesn't respect anyone else's work. He doesn't even respect his own established canon; did you notice how Thor now has two blue eyes again? I'm a little surprised Thor even has Stormbreaker in this movie, because that was created by the Russos, but I guess the fact he could use it for "humor" had him leave it in.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@astrinymris9953 Yeah, I think he just needs to stay away from big franchises

[@evrypixelcounts]

Kenneth Branagh the director for the first Thor, set the stage for such a wildly different story then the other marvel movies at the time. He set the stage for an Shakespearian Opera, and that's what Thor should have been. An opera, an Epic, like the epic poems of old. Like idk....the Edda? You know the basis for the entire mythology of Thor! The dark world was...boring and forgettable. I can only remember bits and pieces. I understand that Marvel wanted to save Thor as a franchise, and that's why they hired Waititi, but I wish they had hired a director known for directing grand operatic fantasy narratives like Peter Jackson. Could you image a Thor anthology the likes of the minds behind the Lotr movies? I feel that the first 3 movies, and infinity war were Thor Odinson's story, but this should have been the beginning of Jane Foster's story as Thor, a new trilogy or duology. There were some genuinely good moments among the garbage that is Love and Thunder, which only serves to disappoint me more, because I see what it could have been.

[@dianaurbauer4187]

I would have liked to have seen this with Peter Jackson directing.

[@ghosttoast4045]

lol just realised you named another nz director

[@azure_Soph]

Dude a whole Thor franchise with LOTR vibes would be amazing! I loved serious Thor. I mean isn't that what he should be? He's not from earth, he shouldn't have nor talk they way we do..

[@azure_Soph]

*act

[@kbraven7007]

To be fair I felt like that the movies ended with Ragnarok, that Infinity War started to ruin Thor before Love and Thunder came out

[@Falkaisis]

So I ended up rewatching Thor 1 & 2 so I can show my friend who had never seen the first two Thor movies before he and I watch Thor: Love and Thunder for the first time. Honestly, I forgot just how good The Dark World was. Is it perfect? No, but it balances serious tones and humor far better than Love and Thunder. It's also shows a Thor that has grown. He's far more competent, his dynamic with Loki is fantastic, and he's the best heroic version of himself. He was more level headed when his own father was angry. He's more selfless and shows how he's changed since the first movie. Like when Volstagg slammed his mug down and said, "Another!". While Thor sat his down on the table. Or when near the end he said he'd rather be a good person than a great king. That was the proper progression of his character and I loved that so much. He was respectful, honorable, strategic, cleaver, and willing to do whatever it took to help others. He also humbled himself. That was the Thor that felt like he was worthy of Mjolnir. Were there other problems with The Dark World? Yes, but the tone and how Thor's character was handled I thought was great. It's by far my favorite Thor movie and my favorite version of Thor in the MCU.

[@jacobmatthews7524]

people hated the dark world because it didnt feel like a marvel movie and it came out during a time of peak mcu. now you can all look back and go "wow, we were so wrong now that we know how bad it can be"

[@Lsd1021]

Out of all the villains in the entirety of the MCU, Gorr feels the most wasted. Not even because he barely had screen time but because what little screen time he had was so captivating. It's like catching lightning in a bottle and accidentally dropping it

[@duran4571]

Ikr he was definitely the most under utilized villain they should make him return someway him and ultron

[@TheJanissary90]

Well he is underused but at least he was good.Remember Taskmaster?exactly

[@Lsd1021]

@@TheJanissary90 true. Idk why anybody thinks that bringing taskmaster for thunderbolts is a good idea

[@sera_sarzad]

Love that analogy

[@m.b7698]

Yeah, Gorr was fucking sick and Christian Bale was the perfect person to play him but fuck me he got like 0 screen time

[@transformersrevenge9]

Remember when in Thor 2, Odin was being irrational because his enemies made him mad, while Thor was keeping it together and trying to come with a plan that works, because he learned his lessons in Movie 1? That was nice Thor writing.

[@gaminghedgehog6384]

Copied

[@gaminghedgehog6384]

And Stolen lmao

[@transformersrevenge9]

@@gaminghedgehog6384 oh yeah, from who?

[@alisongreat3756]

@@gaminghedgehog6384 Stfu kid no one care

[@regidio5083]

@@gaminghedgehog6384 From who?

[@amaris5141]

really thought that this had soo much potential. it could show thor managing his grief and the loss he’s been through, and how lonely he could have felt. thor could have not wanted to jane to be a hero because of all that he’s lost. because to him, she’s a remnant of the past, of wonderful memories to him. valkyrie could have had a moment with Gor, and talked about how shitty the gods were. there were so many potential heartfelt moments missed out in this movie, and I think it makes it all the more disappointing. if taika wanted to talk about marginalisation, he could have talked about how thor doesn’t realise how terrible the gods can be. how everyone’s lives is apparently inconsequential in comparison, and how thor could never understand that. there’s just so much that could be touched on,and this had so so much potential to be more.

[@BigroomBlitz1]

I actually believe this movie was Taika Waititi's drunk revenge on detractors of Ragnarok because it wasted so many things: -Christian Bale and Natalie Portman -Jane as the Mighty Thor -Thor and GotG duo -Thor's arc -Zeus -The god world, I imagine a team up of a lot of deities from many cultures to defeat Gor would have been cool

[@spartan003]

That's one thing I was confused about. Thor wants Mjolnir back so badly in this, but in endgame, when Cap has Stormbreaker, Thor says "No no give me that. You have the little one." And just tosses Mjolnir away.

[@YayaFeiLong]

My guess is he wanted the assurance that he was still worthy (he did do the same thing when he called to Mjolnir during the time travel segment in Endgame)

[@antusfirenova6426]

@@YayaFeiLong but then he would have stopped the moment he grabbed the hammer while on the boat

[@YayaFeiLong]

@@antusfirenova6426 Fair enough

[@Elvusmiw]

It's clear the effect of different writers

[@spartan003]

@@Elvusmiw For sure.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

Dear Takia Waititi and Kevin Feige, Thank You for wasting Christian Bale’s Gorr The God Butcher, we could have easily seen Gorr go after more Gods and even attack Omnipotent City and kill Zeus. You both need to actually listen to feedback and criticism and ask better questions. Sincerely, Plenty of MCU fans

[@firstlast9846]

Tbh I just want these movies to feel like they’re striving to be a great movie / story.. since Endgame they’ve felt more like a Disney product than the charm they had pre- Endgame

[@danielz-v4083]

Do not shit on Feige lol. He clearly cares more about the MCU than anyone and I highly doubt had that much supervision over this consideration the bizarre amount of MCU media being published

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@danielz-v4083 He may care, but he's not the only one that built the MCU. Paramount helped make some of the movies. Jon Favareau helped set the stage. Even other people higher up helped. Not just Feige. Most of the others left. All that's left is people with different agendas.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@firstlast9846 Endgame was the problem. They doubled down on jokes. Ruined Thor and Hulk by not giving either of them any purpose or direction. Made Thanos a mustache twirling villain obsessed with destroying the world. Also time travel plot is unnecessary, and should not be excused just because it is Marvel.

[@themadtitan7603]

I have no doubt Taika is a good director/clever writer and I imagine working on films like Ragnarok and L&T is a great learning experience for any filmmaker. But I sincerely, VERY MUCH hope that he does not return for Thor 5. Unless he has a story for the character that he's emotionally passionate about, I think he's better off making original scripts.

[@X2Magneto]

One big issue that I had is that this version of Thor is so dependent on Loki being in the films as some sort of motivator (even as a dead person) that without him Thor has no real purpose or function. It's like they are joined together inextricably and once that story line was resolved so was Thor, and so all you have in LandT is a professional actor doing jokes on purpose to get a rise out of you instead of a motivated character. I think this should have been a Jane-Thor movie honestly and Hemsworth should have joined the Guardians.

[@soulflaya2271]

That Thor compilation made me tear up. Ragnarok->Infinity War really was Thor’s peak huh?

[@roboninja3194]

That montage was fantastic. Thor was at his best in Infinity War. He'll never be better than that in live action. The MCU ended with End Game.

[@ggt47]

Meh. Hire someone who gets Thor as character.

[@toren2099]

Naw they just fucked up on this movie mcu is fine

[@hikaru._.4284]

@@toren2099 black widow, honestly this movie, and so far all their shows who’s counterparts on Netflix ( punisher and daredevil ofc ) were better at storytelling and staying true to character. Ofc they have the resources to get ppl who love the source material and make great movies but their most likely gonna go what they think works even tho it still hasn’t been since we’ve enjoyed a more serious end game and infinity wars. It’s gonna go till realize it’s not working and like Hollywood always does it’ll be too late. We’ll have no interest in their movies again (amazingly Spider-Man vibes from the whole company) Disney more than marvel itself

[@hikaru._.4284]

@Frog Man he didn’t say he wanted it to end are you have at reading. He said it ended and the hiring the wrong ppl backs up that statement the mcu we loved and got us invested ended. They’re focused on new fans with their new blueprint

[@AlexSosa007]

@@toren2099 no it is NOT, the MCU has not made one good movie in 2022. Maybe Moon Knight can be considered a successful project. However, the ending under performed. No way Home can also be considered a success but the only reason it did well was because of nostalgia from two other franchises. Nothing else the MCu has produced can be considered "fine"

[@mca7905]

YES YES YES. The reason Jane feels like she should be the main character in this movie is because they're adapting a comic book about her and only her. They took Jane's story and condensed it into a subplot of Thor Odinson's movie. Now maybe this is just a precursor to a sequel where she does get to be the main focus, but nope they killed her. Absolutely ridiculous.

[@magsteel9891]

No worries they will just resurrect her somehow. Nothing matters anymore

[@Fatboyftw32]

Movie should've been The Death of Jane Foster Storyline but replace Mangog with Gorr. Thor isn't around, he's with the Guardians or something, and Jane has to step up. Becoming a God who challenges Gorr's entire worldview.

[@Assn333]

Maybe it's denial, maybe it's blind hope, but the post-credits scene did show her (and Heimdall) enter Valhalla, so Marvel *could* bring Jane back way down the road. It seems to me like her arc could continue, and I hope it does.

[@tiffanypersaud3518]

Yeh…

[@bananian]

For some reason they don't want to pay women super hero money.

[@TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Taika Waititi told Natalie Portman he is set to direct a Star Wars thing and asked her if she’d ever wanted to be in Star Wars. . . enough said.

[@nadiahapsari3359]

As a SW fan,God no! I've got enough of these Disney products trying to bait us and make them money Even if Ahsoka ended up decent or really good I still have flashbacks to Kenobi and Boba Fett series...

[@tevinarchuleta8725]

That recap sequence you put together is fantastic bro good shit

[@slp1857]

It's honestly not even just Thor, Taika didn't really seem to care for a lot of characters. Korg is just kept around cause we "need" jokes on a constant basis. Sif is brought back and given a sick comic accurate costume, just so she can not be involved and not fight to avenge the other Asgardians and only be seen again at the end of the movie. Valkyrie can talk about how she wants to truly be a great King for New Asgard and die gloriously in battle to reach Valhalla alongside her sisters, but make sure she changes her mind at the last minute because "Nah I got hurt so I don't want to die in battle anymore I guess".

[@Browntable]

Agree to all of this

[@gridlo]

They even treated Sif like a joke. And she's been there since the beginning.

[@ninjanibba4259]

I was seriously waiting for Sif to return since AoS and Thor 2, and she’s just wasted like that, I gave a pass of the Warriors 3 cuz I didn’t care about them like that, but Sif…..unforgettable, I love her….now she’s an amputee as a joke

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

I blame the Russo's for not giving Thor any purpose or direction in Endgame. They should have made him an overprotective king, and married to Lady Sif. Then in the 4th film he could have children of his own, and have to face off against Gorr. To focus on the theme of fatherhood and show how Thor has matured across all the films. They could have set the tone for phase 4, but instead they doubled down on jokes and the next phase did the same.

[@ninjanibba4259]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Thor was in depression, for 5 years and his journey in that film was to figure out if he was worthy, from there his self discovery should’ve been more serious and wholesome The Russos did it right, Taika is to blame wholeheartedly

[@delix787]

What’s really annoying to me is that. Taika literally warned us in 2019 to expect disappointment from him. And he will ruin a lot of material. Recently he told the fans he refuses to read more comic book material because he believes he can do a better job compared to the actual creators! This guy to me sounds like a piece of trash.. He told us he would ruined it and he did acknowledged that he refuses to do his research. Then makes fun of the actual effects from the movie?? He’s literally making fun of his coworkers working hard to make the movie look at least good…… if you ask me this guy is nothing but disappointment of life!! Taika has no right at all to get in the face of fans criticizing his own film when he actually told us he was going to ruin it and be disappointed in him!! Bruh WTF?! 🤨

[@k.im.b9205]

This🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@garou12]

he's gotten way too big for his britches and its really showing.

[@cordlxze9559]

I think he was joking 😂

[@stevenmcburney8167]

Give a guy a spot in the mcu and they become one of the biggest snobs in hollywood

[@garou12]

@@stevenmcburney8167 it's not just the mcu. the success of his movies and shows have gone to his head.

[@martinbarrett467]

Awesome montage! Very well put together ❤

[@AnitaLife27]

Taika is in that dangerous time for directors, where they’re told how great and wonderful they are, and they forget how in their earlier, great works, they weren’t so arrogant. Ask m night, Lucas, Spielberg, etc, etc, etc. So many greats went to hell, and started squatting out crap. Come back to us Taika!!!

[@TZ19999]

Spielberg is still dropping great movies and getting Oscar noms.

[@KyrieFortune]

Of all the people you could have mentioned, you really mentioned Spielberg, a director known in the craft for his humility, still winning accolades and having been a serious contender for the latest Academy Awards?

[@roxtechs]

@@KyrieFortuneTwo words: Crystal Skull

[@blue1133]

​​​@@roxtechs Definitely undeserving of the level of hate it has. It's nowhere near as terrible as people make it out to be. It's quite fun and Harrison Ford in his 60s still delivered some great action sequences.

[@pupulauls]

After watching Love and Thunder, I had to go back and watch Ragnarok because I though “was the last one really this bad too? Was Taika always a bad filmmaker and careless about this franchise?” So I watched it and it was still fucking amazing. It was hilarious but still had genuine stakes and an arc for Thor. Love and Thunder was just really dissapointing

[@Beef-bullion]

Ragnarok fucking sucks, he did the same shit

[@LightForxes]

@Frog Man Bingo

[@CabezasDePescado]

Yes, Ragnarok was trash and that is something ironic and actually funny. Everybody who has no brain cells or care about the source material loved Ragnarok, they are given more of the same garbage and they complain. They are hipocrites with bad taste.

[@destinyhntr]

@Frog Man THAT EXPLAINS IT. I was wondering how he managed to make Ragnarok good and LandT so bad. Now I know. At first, I thought it was just because he had some people keeping him in check in the first, then they said "he's got it down pat" so they let him do whatever he wanted in the second. (I guess that was true in the end but I ddn't know there were separate writers).

[@EnwardSnowman]

@@destinyhntr Ragnarok succeeded DESPITE Waititi's direction. His self-insert nonsense stopped it from being great. As it stands, Ragnarok is only OK. Get rid of Jeff Goldblum. Make Hulk the Hulk. Don't start Thor as a fake version to simulate a character arc ending where the other movies need it to end. DON'T INSERT THE DIRECTOR AS A COMIC RELIEF CHARACTER WITH TOO MUCH DIALOGUE. There. You have the best Thor movie. Easy

[@HishamA.N_Comicbroe]

Thor: L & T is like the definition of a missed potential. They genuinely could've made it so much better even while retaining the fun vibe.

[@gridlo]

100%

[@danielz-v4083]

-Hero with Cancer Story -Thor and the freaking GoTG (best combo possible) -GORR -CHRISTIAN BALE -Thor’s mental health healing -Gods real explored -Eternity -the first 4th movie of a main character for the MCU Literally, all phenomenal plot elements that were utterly wasted and dragged to the ground because a great director felt like not giving a shit and taking a piss. Seriously, it makes no sense at all. It’s like Taika actually tried to make this movie shit and fully sabotaged it. The humor could’ve been so good but it was just cringe and boring humor. Also I cannot believe that Jane line at the end “first it’s mighty Thor. Second, if you can’t say might Thor I will also accept Dr. Jane FOSTER! And thirdly: EAT. MY. HAMMER.” Actually made it in a 2022 blockbuster movie. My bet is that Kevin Feige didn’t glance at this movie and just trusted that Taika wouldn’t make a pile of garbage

[@tyrontheconqueror6625]

Yeah, like if they wanted to make a comedy, why use Gorr the god butcher as the villain? A good, and effective story that uses him, should have a more serious tone. It should give Thor exposure to both the actions of other gods, and his own actions. Gorr may be the villain, but the take away should be that, his actions were a response to the treatment of mortals and worshipers by the gods. Not all of them are evil, but same remain neglectful, and don’t use their power to help those who need it the most

[@HishamA.N_Comicbroe]

@@tyrontheconqueror6625 Yup. Plus the comics really go into how despite Gorr being a maniac he has a point, like even Fury agreed with him. The movie with it's weirdly short runtime could barely do this cuz of other plotlines.

[@HishamA.N_Comicbroe]

@@buffnipz I actually like Ragnarok lmao. Tbh I've seen more Ragnarok fans be pissed at this movie & that includes me.

[@geeninebee]

Very epic collage ! Exactly what was needed to contrast with the caricature that became Thor in Love and thunder

[@ShinoAburame37]

I know you said that the Korg thing was a bit, but let's be honest here, it's WORTH being that mad at what they did to Korg. He was originally a character from an enslaved race that is haunted by the memory of being forced to murder his brother in gladatorial combat, and yearns to have the slave disc removed from his chest. What Waititi did to him is so beyond inexcusable and lazy, that anger at this self-insert BUTCHERS every character moment and arc that MADE this version of Thor WORK, feels like the only reasonable response.

[@dohavename6775]

Point me in the way where that's in the comics, please!♥I'm looking forward to reading it.

[@anthonyallmond3682]

@@dohavename6775 Planet Hulk if I remember my comics correctly

[@anthonyallmond3682]

@@dohavename6775 there’s a movie that you can watch that’s about it

[@lordinquisitor6233]

Wait that’s what Korg was in the comics?! That sounds way better and more interesting than the abomination Watiti created

[@ggt47]

And him being gay in the comics was taken more seriously.

[@vector6587]

i was not loving it, but when korg said “it’s korgin time” i was moved to tears. i bought rocks and made a statue in my front yard. truly, honestly, a movie of all time.

[@Browntable]

Ur spitting honestly, Korg redeemed himself with that

[@vector6587]

just the facts, love the videos man

[@ravinathdev]

holy shit vector that's minerals

[@ClarityGolden]

Bro that montage was so good. I'm not even a Thor fan like that, but I can tell you really care.

[@andrewc3267]

You need to post that Thor evolution montage as it’s own video. The ending is depressingly hilarious.

[@Fishbowl-fd6so]

Taika Waititi's interview just really nails why I don't really like his Thor films or the MCU as a whole. Why work on an adaptation of a character and artistic medium you neither like nor respect.

[@Missjunebugfreak]

Probably because it gives him artistic freedom and funding to do the kind of films he's actually interested in. But either way, it's so obnoxious and disrespectful to see him bragging about how much he doesn't care about Thor while making these films. Taika let that Oscar win go to his head and now has a massive ego.

[@RX552VBK]

@@Missjunebugfreak I agree, but it doesn't explain Marvel/Disney/Feige's approach that these (basically) unknown filmmakers are given such characters of importance at least in the mythos. Every once in awhile. an unknown talent can give you a great piece of work using known IPs. But because the studio has built and adhere to such rigorous template to make their films, artists hired bc they have a unique vision is never really really allowed to express that. Don't get me wrong, that can actually be a good thing (note Rian Johnson and his Star Wars film), but to me it seems its more misses than hits recently.

[@Cauldron6]

Yeah it’s really disappointing. Taika could have learned a thing or two about story and characterization if he has bothered to read some of Simonson’s run.

[@L16htW4rr10r]

I actually really don't like the Thor Ragnarok movie and so confused when everyone liked it. After this mess of a movie happened, I can finally tell this opinion to everyone

[@BlueTyphoon2017]

@@RX552VBK yeah, it’s similar with Star Wars. The reason the sequels caused so much controversy, it wasn’t due to all the political bullshit, that’s mostly a distraction, it’s because it’s 2 people making the movie with VERY different views on what it should be, like they’re in a speeding car fighting over the steering wheel. This is why if you have multiple movies, only have ONE director, for the WHOLE thing. Of course this shouldn’t apply to the MCU, but maybe have one person direct all the Thor movies.

[@skydivingintofiction7532]

I really wish it had the serious tone that Thor Dark World had. Yes, it was disliked, but its atmosphere if done right would have made Gorr arc to much better. It would have been cool if they had made him close to his comic book levels of power.

[@cantthinkofaname5046]

They should have made Thor at about the level of light hearted he was in ragnarok, contrasting the bleakness caused by gorr, that would made it an interesting dynamic

[@boboboy8189]

Feigi didn't know how to make darker tone without Russo brothers. Look at Thor the dark world and the eternals

[@guio394]

@@boboboy8189 eternals dark tone is ok, its like original and not a disney thing. the problem of that movie is the story, and should b a series.

[@glennhowardcunnington6362]

Gorr would have worked soo much better on The dark world

[@vipin395]

dark world was underrated it may have been too dark to be a Marvel movie... but for me it is best thor movie

[@palmer6294]

Bro the hell that montage was glorious, genuinely thought I was supposed to stand up and salute after that, stellar work

[@darthsenate9506]

All I can say is the montage was amazing set the course and vibe of your video I loved it!

[@themadtitan7603]

Thor peaked in Infinity War for me. He was the perfect blend of bathos, pathos and heroic epicness who was a natural evolution of his Ragnarok self. Only the comedy wasn't used to show how irreverent both Thor and the director were like Ragnarok and L&T but to hide the pain he felt from losing the people he loved; the bathos strengthens the pathos. Taika is usually praised for this in his other films, only he seems to drop this once he's making Marvel movies because he just doesn't seem to care, almost like he views comic-books and CBMs as inferior and fans taking them seriously is inherently silly. So he makes sure to let you know this at every turn in both films.

[@peterfrank3365]

I disagree with you on 'Ragnarok'. Markus and McFeely of 'Infinity War' only took notes of Waititi in 'Ragnarok' when Thor was in their hands. 'Infinity War' was when the facade of humor cracked, but 'Ragnarok' was where he adopted it. Yes, it was a silly movie, but only by embrace. Yes, it borders on parody, but the affectionate kind. Waititi wasn't just praised for it in his other films, it was his style; his distinction. 'Love and Thunder' see this style vanish with no trace. The comedy didn't just disrupt any potential meaning, it's not even funny.

[@StuartLugsden]

I’m never going to stop running into you at I?

[@groverkiinmuppetborn714]

my brother in Christ I think you mean "ethos", not "bathos"

[@minusone7529]

Meu deus o Júnior

[@bikramarora1819]

@@groverkiinmuppetborn714 no, he means bathos. It’s a real thing.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

This one is personal because I am a fan of Taika’s work. And I know the guy knows how to make a good movie. He’s really good at combining drama, action, and his unique blend of comedy within all of his films. Whether it’s JoJo Rabbit, What We Do in the Shadows, and in this case the Thor he himself directed before this, he’s always good at making it all come together. And it is so hard to accept that this same guy directed this. It’s completely unrecognizable to the work he’s done before and it’s beyond frustrating.

[@serdownofhousebad1127]

Dude you think that he actually had directors role? Its a Disney film written by a board

[@defaulted9485]

@@serdownofhousebad1127 Yes, we do. But, I agree that with Disney sterilizing everything they had due to mandates from BlackRock, you get a point. Taika Watiti works well with dark humor, something Disney is very allergic to and shouldn't be mixed with them.

[@Gadavillers-Panoir]

I love TW's movies, definitely not L&T.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

@@serdownofhousebad1127 IceFairy said it better than me, but I agree.

[@Cheffamily]

he's just phoning it in with mcu atm dude literally spends all his energy for other projects

[@calsbag5264]

imo all of christian bale's scenes were really great. his character had a great design, and christian bale is just amazing, honestly the scene where he captures all the other characters and almost kills valkyrie and jane is genuinely chilling. he had great scenes, but in an otherwise bad movie, and it's sad, because he could've been a really cool villain for a movie that did him justice.

[@antonydandrea]

Bloody hell that montage really hit the point home. Great work

[@adnvdn]

I feel so bad for Thor, he's currently the one with the most tragedy in his life in MCU -- even more than Spider-Man IMO, imagine that -- but the stories they give him is either too pretentious or too stupid to hammer it in to the audience. In my opinion, the best Thor is the one in Infinity War. Just dig down on that and make a Thor movie where he copes with all his loss. Dammit, man...

[@adnvdn]

Dammit it's sad to see Thor succumbs below Ant-Man and the Wasp.

[@firstlast9846]

I don’t like how SLOWLY infinity war is being undone.. Loki is back, Heimdall is back, Vision is back, Gamora is back, Thor’s eye, hair and hammer are back.. death and loss feels meaningless now as it does in comics.. Thor would’ve felt more battle-scarred if he still had his eye patch and short hair - so we could see growth from Thor 1 to post Endgame

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@firstlast9846 they needed to show Thor maturing as time went on, and show that he learned from the lessons of the previous films. Endgame very much regressed him, and left him with no purpose of direction. Should have made him an overprotective King, and married to Lady Sif. Then in the 4th film he has children of his own, and also has to face off against Gorr. Making it darker and more serious to payoff the emotional depth required for a character like Gorr.

[@bravovince3070]

bro why would you want your Thor to be a grizzled, hurt and coping war veteran he should be closer to He-Man than to Logan

[@peterfrank3365]

To me, Thor have been consistent from 'Ragnarok' to 'Endgame'. They may have been a little too loose on the jokes for the latter, but it was tolerable. To me, it was still a strong arc and it was genuinely interesting to see what holds for Thor's future. And this movie is it. Everything that was built up was tossed aside, even the development Waititi himself set in 'Ragnarok'.

[@RedDeath-qi4ci]

The first director from Thor 1 aka Kenneth Branagh needs to come back directing Thor movies again from now on because he understands Thor's character and his mythology way much better than Taika Waititi ever will.

[@evenhartwick4422]

yeah he was the perfect director for the franchise i wonder what this series would look like if he stayed on and directed more of the sequels.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Exactly, he understood Thor and knew just what to do with him. Honestly, I feel even if he does come back, Marvel/Disney will just interfere and mandate he make Thor more comedic.

[@Dave102693]

As long as the Dutch angles don’t come back, ok good.

[@nisayjuliusvincents.9860]

The first Thor is my 2nd favorite Thor movie. It had great character development for Thor, Thor's journey and what he wants is clearly established, Loki was the first great villain in the MCU. Really my only problem with it is the forced relationship between Thor and Jane. If Thor and Jane remained just as friends at the end of the movie so that they could develop feelings in the sequel the first Thor would've been my number 1.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@nisayjuliusvincents.9860 Well, he always ends up with Lady Sif or Enchantress in the comics. So i kind of wish they had established a greater relationship with one of them.

[@antusfirenova6426]

This is a movie I REALLY wish it was remade. There's potential for a truly great movie without making huge changes (aside maybe Thor himself)

[@hivyi5142]

Dw, i stan Nino aswell On another note Amazing video, I'm going to binge your channel now

[@Two-Man-Production]

One thing I do wish for Thor was something like Earth’s Mightiest Hero, someone who’s wise and can have his immature moments. That Thor had his moments where he was was either truly something of a god and also a human, which is the same story I feel that the first Thor was doing and could’ve build upon. Have him actually become King and realize how something he tried getting over in the past is now something he has to accept. Edit: One thing I also don’t like about MCU Thor is the drastic change from being a mythological figure to a space venturing Viking, there should’ve been a better blend of this but it honestly feels like there’s two different Thors in one universe and no I don’t mean Jane.

[@jdellabeat6245]

Shout-out to Earth's Mightest Heroes. We need another Avengers cartoon.

[@juliiju0484]

Browtable should do a Earth's Mightiest Heroes video. I know that he did one, but he should do a hundred more.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@jdellabeat6245 I wish they would continue that show in the form of a comic book adaptation with Chris Yost fully in charge.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

I agree. I feel like Endgame regressed Thor to the point where he needed to find himself again, over 20 films in. That's bad storytelling. He needed to mature and embrace his role as King like Ragnorak set up, especially after learning of the importance of Asgard as a people and not just a place. Instead they made him into a joke.

[@jdellabeat6245]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp I think it would have great if Thor 4 was about finding a home for his people to live in. Like, how are the residents of New Asgard feel about living on Midgard? Is the government intimated about this influx of Asgardians? Is there a cultural divide between the Norse folk and the remaining Asgardian folk? I blame Endgame for just time skipping that much story potential that could make for an exciting Thor film.

[@Spooder_Donuts8121]

Not even Christian “Sigma” Bale could save this mess

[@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow]

her attaining the powers of an mcu god then using it to help people for a short time is beautiful, it shows how truly good she is. too bad we couldn't have seen her intellect be displayed since she was supposed to be a scientist lol

[@jmace2424]

I legitimately could have teared up at your Thor montage.

[@DangeistYT]

I really feel bad for people who really understand how comic book accurate GORR should be adapted, missed opportunity

[@Jayden-fg8on]

Gorr has such a plentiful backstory I honestly think they could have done a movie on just him

[@themadtitan7603]

Gorr's story could've made for one of the most emotional and deeply thought-provoking villain motivations and thematic sub-texts in any CBM.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Gorr should have had more screen time than Thor, like Joker had more screen time than Batman did in the Dark Knight movies.

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Thanos too in IW.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Exactly, although I think it would've been even more impactful if, in order to get the soul stone, Thanos had take the life of Gamora by having to fight her and take her life himself.

[@MayLily]

The cast was top tier and I will always love that they cast Chris Hemsworth as Thor, but enough is enough. I blame this on Taika for not even trying to make a good balanced Thor movie and Kevin Feige for not reigning him in. Like for comparison- for all the jokes that GOTG always have, at least James Gunn knows how to balance it out, SMH.

[@_birdie]

if he was able to make the Guardians down to earth and relatable just imagine what he’d have been able to do w Thor. Wish guardians 3 had come out first w/ Thor in it rather than Thor w guardians in it. I trust James Gunn like I trust the Russos.

[@RX552VBK]

Some of it is also Hemsworth's fault as well. He desperately wants to do light or slapstick comedy more. All actors that "look" a certain way are usually typecasted. So many like Brad Pitt look for scripts that have some level of comedy or dark humor in them (Bullet train). Gosling is going for the light fare as well, while actors that started in comedy like Ryan Reynolds want to do more dramatic pieces.

[@Bas_karna]

People are now finally coming to senses and now realising that marvel movies are not cinema bt just tailored made theme parks

[@kindofanmol]

That montage in the beginning almost made me tear up. I miss Thor.

[@transformersrevenge9]

Honestly, as a big Branagh/Shakespeare fan, I really liked the first Thor movie. It did all the heavy lifting as the first really fantastical Marvel movie. And I honestly think it was Branagh who gave us the Loki we know and love. I honestly liked the fish out of water, but still straight-man Thor, more than "everything is a dragged out comedic routine" Thor.

[@stahppls2293]

This is what I kept saying but always been drowned out by comedy fans who wanted the Shakespearean out the window ASAP Kinda makes me glad Tom's Loki is no longer in this timeline

[@dohavename6775]

First, you're absolutely right. Second... I see a fellow Code Geass fan when I read somebody's in for a Shakespearean drama.

[@ggt47]

Honestly if it gave us more cosmic and Norse stories and left earth alone it would of been cooler. His sense of humour was fine in everything before Rag. He could take a joke but can be serious when the time called for it the first version of Loki was the one I liked.

[@jonbenesh7613]

the first thor is the worst movie in the mcu. outside of thor 2 and iron man 2. how can you watch a movie that only uses dutch angles the whole film. shakespirian can be cool, but that movie is sleep inducing . thor 4 is mid, but still far better than the first 2 thor movies

[@transformersrevenge9]

@@jonbenesh7613 I disagree.

[@ojodeoro1106]

I feel like this movie wasted Jane. We will never have another chance to see her for years and her story is one of the most distinctive within hero stories

[@ojodeoro1106]

He not only wasted mighty Thor but also planet hulk. 2 absolute classics fans wanted adapted

[@GuyFromJupiter]

For real! I thought she was great and loved to see a classic character return! I was looking forward to seeing more of her in future movies, only to be told very definitely that is never going to happen!

[@Captianmex1C0]

@@ojodeoro1106 theyre definitely doing more planet hulk/World war hulk story

[@ojodeoro1106]

@@Captianmex1C0 have you seen the state of the hulk? He is literally dead, only banner remaining

[@Captianmex1C0]

@@ojodeoro1106 your exaggerating. He literally went back to sakkar in she hulk. My guess is she gets her ass beat by Abomination or maybe even damage control. Which pisses Hulk off setting up World war hulk

[@clearfog1962]

Love and Thunder turned Thor into the Jar Jar Binks of the MCU.

[@closeenuff]

That's because Taika Waititi is a Jar Jar Binks in real life.

[@lambdaweaponscache5394]

Your awesome just subbed

[@akuma_aces6847]

This film really frustrated me because they downplay his depression when it should've been about him coming back and rediscovering himself. Even Endgame Thor finding out he was still worthy is way more impactful than this entire movie

[@MrLachapell]

Damn i expected this to be more connected to the first 3 phases in a way that the Thor we knew from back then is way different now, i thought they were going to touch on the fact that he is the remaining member of the original Avengers (besides Hawkeye) I haven't watch it yet but goddamn i have to now

[@AnitaSleap1080z]

The Thor montage literally made me tear up. Freaking beautiful.

[@tysonasaurus6392]

It really was fire, makes this movie hurt more

[@papajcina]

Does anyone have a link to it?

[@carlosrivas1629]

its like some people have a brain drain for details, loved it too. Taika did good.

[@bobbyalistor]

the fact Thor just shazamed himself and gave powers to the kids just made everything a joke... Thor really learnt nothing by the end of the movie

[@Randomkloud]

I like Korg when he first appeared. I also kinda wanted a movie around him.. What I didn't want was a thor movie all about him

[@incoma6628]

At this point, I am just pretending that Love and Thunder never happened. In my mind, the story told by Corg (beginning of the movie) is just his twisted view of the reality that he is trying to understand and is entirely made up. It's even a nice gate to just erase this movie from a canon of the MCU.

[@fivenotewonder]

Pretty much all of phase 4 falls into this catogary, especially black widow.

[@connorkenway09]

Plot main points are excellent. Execution is absolutely abysmal. This Waititty guy deserves a life sentencen

[@michaelrosen6814]

OMG I really do hope this thought occur to Watiti. This would be the only way he can redeem the mcu thor universe. The next movie should start with Corg ending his narration and Thor entering the room and saying something along the line of "That's all made up kids" or something like that. I still can't get over how they waste the god killer Christian bale character like that. This gives me a sliver of hope though.

[@doctorcrazy8500]

Just pretend it's a what if story

[@ChapMeifan]

This was the MCU equivalent of an Adam Sandler movie where Waititi tells the studio he's going to do a great film but really just brings his buddies on a holiday and they screw around and film some skits and wrap it up and send it to the studio and say "yeah, here it is."

[@annalisa84]

Thor is my favorite MCU character. He has a tragic arc but it feels more real than any of the others. That said, I couldn’t even finish L&T.

[@DamiMarian]

I have a lot of mixed feelings about L&T, there were parts that I really loved, like Jane, Gorr, Valkyrie and the relationship between Thor and Jane, the way they talked on the boat and after finding out about her cancer was great. But there were parts that I absolutely loathed, like the screaming goats, Thor when he tries to be funny out of nowhere and Korg. I was really hoping he'd die when Zeus struck him but then I remembered he was narrating so 🤷‍♀️

[@toastedoats692]

My favorite part of the movie was when gorr said “it’s gorrin time!” It was an absolutely phenomenal moment with amazing buildup and perfect execution

[@Chris-dy1cb]

😐

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

MCU fans are just like MCU movies, they think they're so hilarous but they're really not.

[@toastedoats692]

@RealityCheckins your mother

[@mrsharrison1964]

These jokes are getting unfunny throughout the time

[@toastedoats692]

@ that priest who loves killing children your mother

[@MrWillcapone]

This movie was a mess. On an unrelated note, I know realize that the first time I ever saw Taika Waititi was as Hal Jordan's sidekick in the Green Lantern movie...

[@solaris100]

Great review dude! Although I didn’t hate the movie as much, I really feel Taika drank his own kool aid. The reason Korg is in there, is because it’s Taika playing him. And him being all cool and jokey all the time in any interview in any situation really does my head in! 😂

[@brandonlomunts8246]

When you said this movie should have Jane as the main character, i agree for like 100% like that what was I thinking while watching the movie. In my head, I was like the person who has cancer but she decides to save lives is like a thing should be focused for the entire movie.

[@percaholic3123]

At this point, I'm only watching these for Chris Hemsworth. He's a very very respectable guy from what I've seen atleast.

[@ninjanibba4259]

He’s the reason I’m not mad at how Thor was represented, dude is too charming, I can’t get mad at that

[@1990maman]

But he is another reason why Thor became what he became. He no longer wanted to sign for Thor unless Taika produced the films. He also is the main reason Thor is such a goof now with little to no substance. Do your research.

[@jnerdwavy7777]

@@1990maman he wanted a NEW director not specifically taika because The dark world absolute ass so it made sense but now.. nah taika gotta go

[@user-vg8ox3he1i]

That is a great idea. It actually would have been better if Thor LOVED having Jane as a co-hero and they spent the first act of the film romping and stomping around the universe and fall in love while Gorr is butchering gods. They have a brief battle with Gorr but they are no match for him. They barely get away with their lives. They go to the home of the gods. Zeus refuses to help. So it turns into a heist. They need to steal his lighting bolt, which is considered the most powerful weapon in the universe since Odin is gone. This leads to an all out brawl with the pantheon of Greek gods and a narrow escape. Then have Thor discover that Jane has cancer, and that Gorr may not be beatable. This brings them into conflict. That leaves Jane in a hospital bed and Thor off to fight Gorr in what might be a losing battle as the stars in the skies start to burn out as the Universe begins to go dark. I'd lose that entire kids are kidnapped sub-plot and the Eternity sub-plot. Then have Gorr show up at Jane's bedside and explain himself and we get his backstory. Thor returns to save Jane, but Gorr is still very much a match for him. Jane chooses to stop him and help save everyone and Thor and makes the choice to pick up the hammer one last time. I'd maybe do a callback by having Gorr say 'put the hammer down'. Thor and Jane defeat Gorr and save the gods. Jane dies. The stars return. Thor moves on. Post credit scene: Still sets up Hercules from the lightning heist in Act 2

[@AppleUploadsVideos]

this script for the movie by a commenter on KZbin is miles better than the actual movie and that says something

[@didithemighty8675]

Now that would be a good movie to watch

[@YoungPadawan85]

when a person comes to terms with how pervasive hollywood peydo phila is, you can begin to understand why they inject all these rescue the children sub plots in many many big budget box office films it doesn't matter if those sub plots are largely irrelevant to the bigger storyline of the movie, they are still going to inject all their fake virtue signalling regardless the less relevant to the story that these sub plots are... the more obvious and apparent it becomes to see just how much they are immaterial to the actual main story and is basically just an accessory, like an appendage hanging off of a corpse

[@dr.trousers6101]

Okay but why would Gorr go to Janes bed? Since the fight? To bait Thor? For those who aren’t as good at subtext (mainly me) you could give Jane some sort of thing that would draw Gorr to her. A key to his plan maybe. Then again that’s what Thor 2 was… idk nevermind

[@enderzebak2863]

@@AppleUploadsVideos thats because the writing was done by a 4 year old, its amazing how it only takes a normy to write and direct an mcu movie

[@Drawnartist]

Damn bro you trying to make me cry with that montage? 😢

[@nicholasjomo164]

Love the montage

[@zabbas9371]

The movie made all of the tragedy thor went through into a joke, downplayed everything to a point where even the ending wasn't emotional at all. Even ragnarok had serious, mature and character driven story moments. Thor is a completely different person in this movie. It felt like a cartoony spin off rather than a real thor movie. Thor acted like a child, which can be funny at times but not when it's his main personality in the movie. He didn't demonstrate his wisdom or the maturity he had gained throughout the thor movies and into avengers age of ultron I dont remember any awesome scenes. Movie was forgettable.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

I feel this movie doubled down on what Endgame did to Thor. Turning him into a joke with no purpose or direction. Having him hide and abandon his people to some slaver who never regretted what she did for the Grand master, and this after learning of the importance of Asgard as a people and not just a place in Ragnorak.

[@Mr_Death031]

The reason Ragnarok felt more balanced Was because Taika didn’t have full control with that movie With this one they just decided to give him the full bone And in turn he just went all out with his goofy nature The guy can’t make a serious moment without ruining it with an unfunny joke Like the Goats It’s was somewhat funny the first time, but hearing them screech every time I’m just like we get it , they’re screaming goats What was he trying to accomplish there? Giving him full control over this was a huge mistake Please get someone else for Thor 5 Assuming there will be one Someone who knows the character well and understands him Not someone like Taika who just sees everything as a joke

[@maxdrags3115]

There were clearly some amazing scenes, but ok...

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@Mr_Death031 Screaming Goats: The Movie

[@BrokenSIMGlasses]

then there's Wanda going coocoo

[@eyesack2007]

Why does Taika think screaming goats are funny in 2022💀

[@Browntable]

Zero clue

[@quakethedoombringer]

Watiti is so obsessed with being "quirky and different" so I am not surprised if he just ironically enjoys cringey outdated jokes and childish humor because it makes him different. Not because he finds them funny

[@bonnczech6974]

Cause he's the type of guy with Facebook humor

[@saoirse2963]

Was there any time that it would be funny?

[@thedarklennialsz8120]

Your spot on with this review.

[@muriok2474]

It was as if the film was AFRAID to take things seriously for to long, quick to brush pass the intense stuff for jokes

[@juliek5147]

I'm the biggest Thor fan, I absolutely love Thor. I can't believe I'm going to admit this but you are 100% correct. Taika Waititi took everything that worked from all his past movies and totally ignored it. I knew Taika was the problem, he thought he could do no wrong. Well he ruined my favourite franchise. I just hope we see Thor again..... without Taika Waititi 🙏

[@jackwimmer2249]

Me, too.

[@swegeroni]

You put into words the true frustration that I had with this movie. No other review captures my thoughts this well. I wasn’t happy with Ragnarok, I really didn’t like it. But this actually angered me. Not a single moment felt serious after the first five minutes, and I just don’t understand what the thought process was. It just felt like such a blatant slap in the face to people that wanted to see Jane as Thor and to see another Thor adventure. I wanted to like this movie. But goddamn, did it disappoint.

[@whyisntitpossible404]

How come you still went and saw this film despite not liking Ragnarok? It seemed quite obvious from the trailers that Taika was gonna go full Taika on this movie, so I didn't even bother with it ...

[@swegeroni]

@@whyisntitpossible404 Because unfortunately, I still am seeing the MCU movies to keep up even if I’m not looking forward to them. I love superhero movies. And I was hoping that maybe my taste would change and maybe I would enjoy this one a little bit more.

[@TheN1ghtwalker]

Fool me once - shame on you, fool me twice - shame on me...

[@themanonthewallgammairradi8763]

Spite. I'm convinced. He spite f_cked the fans of the MCU. Why do I say this? The set up to the jokes. They are all weighty moments, devilishly crafted to draw you in. Then..."it's just a prank bro! Why are you getting so mad, bro? It's a pra--no, f_ck you! AND I'm going to hook up with your girl!" Every. Single. One. And he did it. He spite f_cked our girl.

[@destinyhntr]

I was so excited to an Asguardians of the Galaxy story. The guardians were the perfect characters to help mold Thor into a hero that was dealing with his trauma in a healthy way. (It would also be a great time for Drax to actually do something that wasn't a joke. His dead family was NEVER brought up while fighting Thanos. Great time to remedy that mistake.) Also, untapped potential for jokes that actually land because Thor's jokes (old god from a nordic world vs. young pirates in scifi space) would bounce well off them. Instead, we barely got anything because Marvel wanted money and was too lazy to make the directors work together or hire a director to combine the two hero groups. As soon as Endgame ended, I said "I only care to see the Guardians/Thor movie. After that, I'm done." Welp, they couldn't even do that, so after I watch the Guardians movie (already disappointed), I am officially done. Star Wars has already been ruined by Disney. I'm not sticking around to see them make another dumpster fire of a second beloved franchise.

[@divinitylain7790]

Yooo, the thor Montage made Thor's character more appreciated damn.

[@rahstylz]

There is this one joke in the movie that was the biggest “wtf” moment for me. It was “We will return, with the children, and then we will feast! Not on the children. We dont do that anymore”… I somewhat liked the Sif’s arm in Valhalla though!

[@tokyomations9012]

That montage was beautifully edited. Well done on the video. Perfectly put into words why Thor love and thunder didn’t work

[@jmoneyrax]

The part where Thor is talking to Starlord about leaving the dialogue is so weird and then after that Thor meets lady Sif and THAT DIALOGUE was so bad I thought the scene wasn’t real

[@viridian5maureen853]

He had to explain how Valhalla works to Sif!

[@TheCNRProject]

I was really hoping they'd continue Thor's recovery from trauma but keep a little bit of that darkness we saw infinity wars. I can only think of Doctor Who (Matt Smith and David Tennant come to mind) where the Doctor is so ancient, has seen so much sorrow and can only approach things with light-heartedness and humour to cope. There is a profound darkness that slips through though from time to time that reminds you that behind the humour there is a mourning, lost soul. I really think after how he lost so much in the war he's still a work-in-progress trying to piece his life together and figure out who he is now he has abandoned his old identity. But none of that happens and it's just him having a love triangle with his hammer and axe. What should have only been one joke became a tired subplot. This film could have been a really moving about building a new life after so much loss and grief, getting reconciling with Jane (and on that note Jane's arc also having a bigger part of this movie) but feels like he is in the same place he was at the start but with some random kid that we had no time to grow attached to this whole movie.

[@xwyatt9876]

That intro was amazing

[@joshdunne8792]

I love that you added Thor's scene with his mother in Avengers Endgane. It's my favourite MCU moment. I am disappointed however you didn't include my second favourite moment, *Thor enters Wakanda* : "BRING ME THANOS"

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

I feel he should've had a scene with Odin instead, since his father was was an important figure across all 3 films. His mom only really mattered in the 2nd film, then they killed her off.

[@joshdunne8792]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp he had that scene in Ragnarok though. And I love that scene too. I think it's perfect the way it is

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@joshdunne8792 I think it would have made more sense, for Odin to be able to sense Thor's presence. Plus I feel the only thing his mom did was get him to stop feeling depressed so he could be in the final battle. It wasn't so impactful that he was taught a valuable lesson that once again shaped him. He ended going off to find himself again. I feel Odin would have been able to help Thor find his purpose, and allow him to get back on track. Being a good King and leading his people.