Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Outlaw Years: Part 1 - Meeting Governor Wallace

In this video, I discuss Roberts' knowledge of Billy the Kid life during the period immediately following the end of the Lincoln County War, often referred to as, the outlaw years. I'll be quoting from the original transcripts of his tape recorded interviews with William V. Morrison. I will also debunk a new theory brought forth by neo-historians and those that support maintaining the historical status quo that Roberts obtained his knowledge of Billy the Kid and the Lincoln County War by memorizing The Saga of Billy the Kid by Walter Noble Burns.
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Brushy Bill Roberts, AKA Billy the Kid: Did He Really Claim To Be A Member Of The James Gang?
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Brushy Bill Roberts, AKA Billy the Kid: Was He Really Oliver P. Roberts, Born In 1879?
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Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy the Kid: Physical Similarities & Facial Recognition Study
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Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Lincoln County War & Debunking The Saga Of Billy The Kid.
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Alias Billy the Kid by William V. Morrison & C.L. Sonnichsen - amzn.to/3B3vH4H
The Return of the Outlaw Billy the Kid by W.C. Jameson & Frederic Bean - amzn.to/3PKsbAt
Billy the Kid Beyond The Grave by W.C. Jameson - amzn.to/3yT85wT
Billy the Kid The Lost Interviews by W.C. Jameson - amzn.to/3odxqN9
Frontier Fighter by George Coe - amzn.to/3v04ThI
The Saga of Billy the Kid by Walter Noble Burns - amzn.to/3B3qOsv
Billy the Kid His Life & Legend by Jon Tuska - amzn.to/3PnikAK
Violence In Lincoln County by William A. Keleher - amzn.to/3zgOmZo
History of the Lincoln County War by Maurice G. Fulton - amzn.to/3PniLuS
The Lincoln County War: A Documentary History by Frederick Nolan - amzn.to/3cgjUFI
The Real Billy the Kid by Miguel Antonio Otero - amzn.to/3cs4CxD
Jessie Evans: Lincoln County Badman by Grady McCright & James Powell - amzn.to/3PqL4bJ
The Tragic Days of Billy the Kid by Frazier Hunt amzn.to/3V92nk2
High Noon in Lincoln: Violence on the Western by Robert Utley amzn.to/3EK2SvC
Billy the Kid: A Short and Violent Life by Robert Utley amzn.to/3AudpZc

[@tagg976]

I have to say, being a Brit, I I've no choice but to rely on KZbin for videos on the old west ... and I watch them all, even if many are on the same subject matter or some old west personality, I still watch them all! This is hands-down very best and most in-depth documentary on Bill the kid and Brushy Bill Roberts, I've ever seen... there genuinely isn't a better one out there! It's easily the most informative and well researched video on the subject matter! I'm so totally hooked and simply have to watch every other video here! EPIC!!!!! 😆😆😆👍

[@michaelponce9199]

Brett I am a recently new subscriber and I have veiwed every single one of your Videos on Brushy Bill/Billy the Kid . Your work and research is excellent and awesomely Great ! Thank you so much ! I'm sure all of us appreciate you , just as much as I do. Keep up the good work , looking forward to the next ones!

[@brushybret]

Thanks for watching.

[@andrewstuckey8313]

I have always discounted the Brushy Bill version as made up, until i listened to your explanation. The detail of what you provide is so complete that now i can't see it not being Brushy.

[@badmonkeyvids]

I have studied Brushy Bill for a while now and the more I dig, the more I am convinced Brushy Bill is Billy the Kid

[@jthekid-i9r]

Yea but even if he wasn't who ever he was he certainly lived an interesting life

[@raelenebaker9742]

Ears age but they don't change from birth. Billy had a lobe , Brushy had an ear that had no lobe and attached directly onto his jaw. No , he is not Billy.

[@mcwilliams4546]

I’d really like for him to be, but I don’t believe he was.

[@michaelponce9199]

I believe without any doubt brushy was the kid . I'd put all the money in the world on it. 😊

[@squawk3120]

@@raelenebaker9742kind of like Joe Biden?

[@alanstackhouse2939]

Awesome Job! Brett! Some just don't want to hear all the facts.😊

[@brushybret]

You got that right! Thanks for watching.

[@scottbain5460]

I love this docuseries on Billy the Kid. The very best I've seen and I've seen them all. Great job Brett. Always a huge Billy / Brushy Fan

[@Navigator001]

I'm really looking forward to listening to your 4 part series of Brushy Bills own words, this one was great! Thanks for the great work you do!!

[@brushybret]

Thanks for watching.

[@shanecollins3943]

I grew up on a ranch just 20 miles from Deadwood, SD and spent most of my life reading anything I could about old west gunfighters and other characters. I was always more interested in what happened in New Mexico and Billy the kid than the local history though. Until the young guns movie I'd never heard of brushy Bill and even then hadn't given much thought to the story. Figured it was Hollywood history. A few years ago I heard a story on KZbin that started me down this rabbit hole ha ha. Definitely have become preoccupied with the story of Brushy Bill. I was very skeptical at first and as much as I wanted to believe he was Billy the kid, I wanted to be convinced. I've watched, read and listened to every bit of information I could on the subject. Thanks to you and a couple others incredible research and dedication I am definitely a believer! I don't see how so many coincidences could be possible or how he could have the knowledge he did without being who he claimed to be. I grew up without the internet and know how difficult it would have been to have Brushy Bills knowledge without having been there himself. Pairing that with the physical similarities, I don't understand how anyone could think otherwise. Thank you for all the time and effort you have put into this! Absolutely love your videos

[@brushybret]

Thanks for taking the time to leave such an awesome comment and thank you for watching. I really do appreciate it.

[@shanecollins3943]

@@brushybretNo, thank you. You've provided hours of interesting entertainment to me. I'd love to hear more about your research and how you've been able to find all the information. Had to be unbelievably time consuming. I'm not much of a historian and certainly not a researcher, so your skills are quite impressive in my book. Keep up the good work!

[@jimmygrant9711]

But do they look similar? They look different people to me

[@Bumper776]

@@jimmygrant9711 they look absolutely nothing alike. The professor that did the Facial Recognition on Billy the Kid and Brushy Bill said they were both White males, not much other similarities exist, and he is baffled why everyone claims that his program showed them to be one in the same.

[@Adam-nn7sp]

@@Bumper776 Can you please provide a reference for this statement? Beyond the Grave chapter 11 references 9 different statistics that are exact or close and analyst Acton is noted as saying "...similarity...is indeed amazing".

[@Charles53412]

Thank you for carrying on this story and for continuing the work William Tunstill started.

[@brushybret]

Thanks for watching.

[@thecowboy9698]

The more I listen to Brudhy Bill Robberts' story, the more it lines up with historical record, the more I am entertaining the idea Brushy could've indeed been Billy the Kid.

[@gwag8410]

Brett, as before, I was excited to see you had posted a video. This is fascinating to me, and in my eyes, is the honest to God’s truth… especially in light of previous videos. I look forward to future videos, and would like to say, I truly appreciate your work, as you endeavor to share the true history, that has been brushed aside by so many….

[@brushybret]

Thanks for watching.

[@nickg9340]

Great Video Brett! Would love to see a collab with you and Dan. Discussing basically anything brushy related :) Keep up the great work.

[@brushybret]

Thanks for watching!

[@oreopuppydawg1564]

Love the videos! I always thought Billy and Jesse James never died when history says so

[@jodiehighroller9820]

Literally a picture of his dead body and morons still don’t believe 😂

[@bobandmaryw4336]

God Bless ya. The Legend had to die. So , that the Man could live. I see similarities in this and Elvis Presley. Thank you for bringing truths and amazing historical evidence to light of day. Unraveling the web of book store novels and reality is truly a gift. Thank you for shining a lamp on the path to truth.

[@stephanwatson7902]

What I don't get is when people who try to discredit Brushy's story, often would lie and claim he was illiterate, or that he didn't know spanish, etc. If you have to lie to try and prove your point, you're probably wrong

[@brushybret]

Exactly!

[@blaze3884]

I'm so excited Brett! Thank you Thank you!!!

[@brushybret]

Thanks for watching.

[@blaze3884]

@@brushybret I just got the book "Billy The Kid" by Daniel Edward's, a fascinating read. As soon as it came I sat down with it! I'm sure you have already read it and probably mentioned it but I can't remember. Your thoughts on his book? It sure is full of facts just as your videos are Brett.

[@brushybret]

@@blaze3884 I'm going to do a video on Brushy Bill Roberts books and researchers in the near future and will be discussing Edwards' book along with Tunstill's, Valdez's, Hefner's and all of Jameson's books.

[@blaze3884]

@@brushybret That's awesome Brett, can't wait to watch, thank you for all the years of research you have done. I'm positive Billy would be VERY proud.

[@t-boog2173]

Very well done Brett! Sincere thanks for all ur hard & thorough work. Ive watched all ur Brushy vids and u've def restored my belief that Brushy was indeed the Kid. (Which is great cause Young Guns 2 is a fave movie of mine). I must admit I bought into the Oliver connection. So the age gap thing was a big prob for me as well as the James Gang & other supposed claims. It all seemed too fantastical. They turned poor Brushy into the Forrest Gump of the old west. Man it's amazing how one writer's falsehood can quickly become the perceived historical record. Anyway, keep up the great detective work. Im looking forward to u telling us where Jimmy Hoffa and El Dorado are really burried. God Bless 😉

[@brushybret]

Thanks for watching.

[@smosmo4617]

excellent work , so interesting and entertaining. I feel like a goonie going down this rabbit hole.

[@kevbullock8313]

Brett,,your video's are great,,full of information I have been wanting to find for years,,thankyou mate👍👍🇦🇺

[@robstanton9215]

Brett, I am thoroughly enjoying your series on Billy and Brushy. Do you have more info on the falsehood that Pat Garret killed the kid? I’ve never believed Garret’s telling of the story. I actually have a copy of Sophie Poe’s “Buckboard Days” which intrigued me as soon as I could start reading as a small child. As an older man now, I find it interesting that even the door they have in the museum that supposedly was hit by a stray bullet looks more like a shotgun blast than a Colt revolver. I’m an old west gun collector and have both a Wells Fargo style side by side and several Colt .45’’s which at that time the Colt .44 was more popular because the ammo would interchange with the Winchester 1873 lever action rifle. Never the less, the Colt blows a considerably smaller hole than a shotgun loaded with buckshot or a slug.

[@brushybret]

My next video will cover the shooting at Ft. Sumner, and I'm going to discuss the shotgun theory, which was mentioned by members of the Maxwell family as well as Thomas McKinney. Thanks for watching.

[@ringokidd387]

Absolutely Awesome! More and more TRUTH is being revealed in ALL matters!

[@paulross9287]

Deserves many more subscribers

[@Blackfoxparadox]

the only thing i cant tet my head around is that brushy bill had to have been 90 when he died. And he just doesn't look 90. It's such an interesting thing tho as he seems to know lots he probably shouldn't

[@keithkucera3163]

Brett , your awesome with your research and I'm definitely convinced that brushy was Billy .

[@brushybret]

Thanks for watching.

[@princewilliam1717]

Michael Anthony Giudicissi invites any Brushy Bill believer to come on his show to discuss the facts. Would you join him sometime? You raise some very valid points and I do like the work of Daniel Edwards.

[@trackpackgt877]

if u look at a picture of brushy bill and billy the kid there is no denying they have the same ears mouth nose and eyes if i was shown both those pictures and asked if it was the same person I would guess yes. A lot of evidence to support Brushy bill was Billy the Kid I'm actually starting to believe

[@wildestcowboy2668]

This is 🔥 mane this guy brent is a good video mane

[@JeronimoFalls]

thank your videos, i have always been on the fence reagding Brushy, i think i am about to fall off, but just wanted to say i appreciate your work.

[@shdwwzrd69]

Great job I'd like to actually hear the actual recordings also

[@stephanwatson7902]

Any fan of Billy should look up "Billy the Kid the Silvercity photo", it's a newly found photo and you can tell its him. It looks exactly like the man in the tintype, only not warped and you can see why they said he had a handsome boyish face AND why people said the tintype didn't do him justice!

[@brushybret]

I do believe it's most likely Billy. I remember first seeing it when I was the archivist at the Billy the Kid museum in Canton, Texas, in the early 2000s, where Dr. Jannay Valdez was the curator. Jannay showed me the photo, and he even did a write-up about it in the museum's newsletter. He was a big believer in its authenticity and its likeness to Roberts. Thanks for watching.

[@stephanwatson7902]

@@brushybret oh it must have surfaced alot less recently than I thought, if you saw it early 2000's; but yeah it definitely looks like him

[@montana663]

Just found your channel, it's excellent you do good work. I do not believe brushy bill was the kid but I enjoy your content.

[@BenSHammonds]

good job, good research

[@brushybret]

Thanks for watching.

[@Adam-nn7sp]

Brett, where can I find your book? I have looked EVERYWHERE for the book and cannot find it.

[@brushybret]

Unfortunately, it's out of print. However, I'm currently updating and hope to have it back out in the near future. You might find a used copy on one of the book resale sites like abe, ebay, etc.etc.

[@Itsnotapet]

I am going to listen to all these videos. I am not convinced either way so I'm very impartial. I'm just a regular person so my opinion won't matter either way. But I'm curious on this

[@Itsnotapet]

I actually have a KZbin channel..but different name. But I'm on chapter 3..you have a great channel. I'm still listening and learning what you have

[@stevemccarty6384]

The portrait that accompanies the post that I'm replying to is of Lew Wallace.

[@brushybret]

@@stevemccarty6384 Yes, that's Lew Wallace.

[@nickg9340]

Brett is it still possible to get a physical copy of your book?

[@brushybret]

My book, which was originally released twenty years ago, is currently out of print. However, I am in the process of updating it and hope to have it back out later on this year. Thanks for watching.

[@white20043]

2 questions. Why hasn’t the audio tapes been released to the public for us all to listen too? And why do brushy believers skip over all of the witnesses who saw billy dead

[@brushybret]

The audio tapes were available for public viewing in the 1950s - the 1970s. The Westerners Club had them for a while, as did the El Paso Rotary Club, and the Missouri Historical Society. When Morrison died in 1977 is when they went out of circulation. However, I found a letter Morrison wrote a few months before his death revealing their last location, and I'm hopeful that I'll eventually locate them and if I do, I'll post them on here. I talked to Leon Metz back in 2005 and he and Morrison were friends and lived only a couple of blocks from one another, and he confirmed that he listened to them while they were on loan to the El Paso Rotary Club. I have letters from Phil Rasch thanking Morrison for allowing the Westerners to host them. Thanks for watching.

[@white20043]

@@brushybret I appreciate your response to me! I look forward of looking into all of this over the coming days and hopefully I can shoot h a few more questions if that’s ok

[@brushybret]

@@white20043 No problem, thanks for watching.

[@larrynoller3014]

Almost every one of the witnesses that identified the body were his friends and were very happy to say he was dead.

[@white20043]

@@larrynoller3014lol that’s fake news

[@royjacobson5561]

By the way, the book about Billy the kid came out in 1915 and again in 1935. In that book, it did not mention anything about Brushy Billy. They have never heard of him. But yes William Bonney is the one they heard about as Billy the Kid.

[@brushybret]

What book are you talking about?

[@danielwebster5748]

Brushy Bill AKA Billy the kid trying to get a pardon when the governor stabbed him in the back and he all the sudden and had no choice. Look at it this way when they were shooting at sheriff Brady and his deputies there was six other men with him also shooting. He would have shot at Billy Matthews whom he hated. Billy Matthews survived. Because he ran and hid behind some barrels and shot Billy in the thigh when he came to get the rifle that sheriff Brady had unfairly confiscated. Confiscating a man's rifle in those days was akin to disrespecting him and was considered degrading. I mean he tried to do things the legal way at first he was even on a posse at one time and was deputized. I mean when you see men being shot down and murdered and no one's paying for it. What would you do if they were your friends and compadres. I'm not making a saint out of him as Pat Garrett did but he was no better and no worse than many other people at the time including lawmen. He was a fighting man though that is why Pat Garrett ran away screaming like a woman. That is also why they had to send a woman in there as neither deputy or Pat Garrett himself would go in the doorway they thought the man was simply wounded. Delvina cussed them for being cowards. She saw a Mexican that was shot and killed and she said at the time that it was Billy the kid. Later her story drastically changed and said I is along with the coroner's jury identified the man as Billy the kid because we wanted him to escape and get far away. Also Billy's fun horse that was a gift from tunstall which he prized was missing that day. The horse that Barlow road in on was still there and was never claimed.

[@nellyvieira9496]

It would put all doubt to rest if there were a photo of Bill Roberts showing his teeth. Billy the Kid had a prominent overbite given to his overlapping front teeth. With his mouth closed, Bill Roberts doesn't appear to have any overbite. Are there any photos of Roberts showing his front teeth?

[@Meltiv123]

your work is amazing. however, i was told the publisher of lists WC Jamison;s books as fiction and he didn;t actually hear the tapes. is this true?

[@Meltiv123]

also, where are the tapes?

[@brushybret]

All of Jameson's books are nonfiction. In the later edition of the book, the lost interviews he presented Roberts statements in a questions and answers type format, and added questions by Morrison before Roberts' answers, which resulted in part of that book being technically fiction. However, he was using the same transcripts that I used, as well as the other books cited in my video...all of which are 100% non-fiction! As far as the tapes go: 2 copies of the interviews were known to exist. The first set of copies were in the possession of Roberts' step-grandson, Bill Allison. These tapes were loaned to researcher Frederic Bean sometime in the late 80s. W.C. Jameson wrote a book about this set of tapes in the book, Billy the Kid: The Lost Interviews. When Bean had the tapes, he noted the poor condition they were in, primarily due to the manner in which they were stored. Nonetheless, he transcribed them and these transcripts served as the premise for the book that he and Jameson collaborated on, The Return of the Outlaw Billy the Kid. Following Allison's death, the tapes along with Roberts' trunk were taken by a family member. And from there no one knows what became of either the tapes or Roberts' trunk. As far as the 2nd set of tapes goes: I found a letter Morrison wrote just a few months before his death revealing the location of the tapes. Right before the pandemic hit in early 2020 I contacted the institution and was told they had several items donated by Morrison, and they believed they might have them and just had to figure out exactly where they were being stored. The pandemic forced us to temporarily pause in our search efforts, but I'm optimistic that sometime in the near future I'll be able to locate them...if they still exist. If I do locate them, I will put them up here on KZbin. The audio tapes were available for public viewing in the 1950s - the 1970s. The Westerners Club had them for a while, as did the El Paso Rotary Club, and the Missouri Historical Society. When Morrison died in 1977 is when they went out of circulation. I talked to Leon Metz back in 2005 as he and Morrison were friends and lived only a couple of blocks from one another, and he confirmed that he listened to them while they were on loan to the El Paso Rotary Club. I have letters from Phil Rasch thanking Morrison for allowing the Westerners to host them. In part 4 of this series I'm going to show correspondence between Robert Mullin and Morrison where they discuss Mullin listening to the tapes and him being impressed by Roberts' statements. Thanks for watching.

[@Meltiv123]

@@brushybret you are awesome. Thanks! Where can i get your book?

[@brushybret]

@@Meltiv123 Thank you for your kind words. My book, which was originally released back in 2003 went out of print this past April, however, I'm in the process of updating it and will re-release it early next year.

[@Meltiv123]

@@brushybret sorry, didnt realize caps were on.

[@MickSchwager-gu5wp]

Hey mate Hope you're awake in the USA Do you have anything on Robert's life after his so called death by Garrett ? Love the vids cheers from Australia

[@brushybret]

I'm working on that now.

[@rickwintjen4506]

It's funny they don't investigate his grave

[@bretfrantz5069]

I saw on another site that apparently DNA testing is ongoing. What are your thoughts?

[@brushybret]

Are you referring to the hair that was being displayed at the museum in Ft. Sumner? If so, I'm not very optimistic about it, as even if they're able to extract any DNA from those strands, who are they going to compare it to since they've already stated they would fight any attempt to exhume the body at Ft. Sumner or Catherine Antrim. Furthermore, the provenance of the hair is highly questionable to say the least. Back in the early 2000s was our best chance to do DNA testing when two Lincoln County Deputy Sheriffs attempted to exhume the body at Ft. Sumner, Catherine Antrim, Brushy Bill Roberts and John Miller but were fought every step of the way by the powers that be who filed a series of frivolous lawsuits and attacked the men personally, which resulted in them both resigning their positions. I truly think that was our best chance. Thanks for watching.

[@bretfrantz5069]

@@brushybret thanks. I am new to your channel but it seems the other side of this conversation is extremely hostile and arrogant. Anyway, I am thoroughly enjoying your presentations.

[@monkeytron5061]

Where are the original recordings? Only source I care about. Must exist.

[@brushybret]

There were originally two sets of the recordings. One set was left with Roberts and was last in the possession of his step-grandson, Bill Allison, who loaned the recording to Frederic Bean who transcribed them and were the basis for the book he and W.C. Jameson collaborated on, The Return of the Outlaw Billy the Kid. Jameson later wrote a follow-up to this book, years later titled, Billy the Kid: The Lost Interviews, where he went further in to detail about the recordings. Bean returned the recordings to Allison, who kept them until he passed away. What became of them after Allison's death remains a mystery. According to Jameson, the tapes weren't in the best condition when Bean transcribed them. As for the second set, that Morrison possessed, Morrison loaned the tapes out to various historical groups and societies. He loaned them to Phil Rasch and the Westerners Club for an event, as well as the El Paso Rotary Club. Leon Metz told me back in the early 2000s that he was at the Rotary Club event. Robert Mullin also listened to the recordings. I cited he and Morrison's correspondence in part 4 of the outlaw years, noting Mullin being impressed with Roberts' knowledge of the layout of the Lincoln County Jail and how he kept rewinding the tape to playback Roberts'description of the courthouse. After Morrison passed away, there was no further mention of the recordings. That is until I found a letter Morrison wrote just a few months before he passed away stating where he sent them. I have been in contact with the institution where Morrison said he sent them, and they have a record of them, but aren't quite sure where they are being stored. I've been working with someone from the facility, and we're trying to find them and if and when we do, I will post them here on KZbin.

[@monkeytron5061]

@@brushybret that’s awesome. I’d love to hear them (as obviously you would) because irrespective of wether he was Billy the Kid he certainly lived in a similar time and it would be wonderful to hear him speak. I’m subscribing to your channel as I’m sure you will post them if you find ‘em.

[@kurtmortimore3778]

Is there any way of listening to the actual voice recordings?

[@brushybret]

I'm working on this. Thanks for watching.

[@kurtmortimore3778]

@@brushybret awesome!

[@miketokles9451]

They are on KZbin, heard them today

[@royjacobson5561]

The governor of New Mexico never met Brushy Billy, he wasn't born yet and was from Texas, but he did meet William Bonney as Billy the Kid. When Billy the Kid wrote a letter to the governor twice, this meant the governor already knew William Bonney as Billy the Kid.

[@brushybret]

I think you're confusing Governor Mabry and Governor Wallace. Roberts was the same age The Kid was said to be.

[@jasonarrington7697]

@@brushybret I kinda believe brushy was and then I don’t. Have you seen the interview Francisco Garza interview in 1930. He states Billy was at the McSweens for 8 months before the war started

[@noswad75]

What did he say about the pic he took? The tintype.

[@brushybret]

It's covered in the chapter on the death of Charlie Bowdre. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKvHqJRmqq-oiNU

[@joaquinhernandez9692]

👍👍👍

[@morrisLaslo-mm3qe]

I find your work as excellent, I have been looking for the birthdate of Roberts, I come up with 1879, are you saying he is Billy The Kid through what can be understood as metempsycosis, Quantum TimeSpace, In lucid dreams,

[@brushybret]

William Henry Roberts was born on December 31, 1859. The 1879 birthdate is often cited by those that seek to discredit Roberts, however, I made a video debunking the 1879 birthdate using census, employment and genealogical records. Thanks for watching. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3ycoIWuptKYm5I

[@brendanmcdonnell7483]

Brett good content you really do your homework and to be honest I'd listen to you for eternity, i don't believe brushy Robert's but if these are Robert's real words where would he have got these stories dime novels?, anyway Brett well done.

[@darryllucas7032]

Dna wiil sort it

[@brushybret]

This was actually tried back in the early 2000s by two Lincoln County Deputy Sheriffs. The plan was to exhume the body in Ft. Sumner, Catherine Antrim, William Henry Roberts, and John Miller and settle the debate once and for all through DNA testing. However, the powers that be in New Mexico fought this every step of the way by filing a series of lawsuits and legal filings that eventually put a stop to it. This is detailed in the books, The Dirty on Billy the Kid by Steven Sederwall, and Billy the Kid Cold Case: Investigating History's Mysteries by W.C. Jameson. Thanks for watching.

[@maryellenshock]

This reminds me of the Anastasia story --sorry, I don't believe brushy bill.

[@brushybret]

Why exactly? What parts of his story give you pause, and how do you explain the fact that most of the sources that confirm his account weren't published until after his death in 1950? Thanks for watching.

[@maryellenshock]

I believed Anna Anderson until they did DNA after her death.

[@bretfrantz5069]

Intriguing. I would like to know how you explain the birth date of Roberts.

[@brushybret]

In the near future, I'm going to do a full episode on Roberts' genealogy. His birthdate is December 31, 1859. Those that aim to discredit Roberts, claim that he was born in 1879. However, I already did a video debunking this claim using census, employment, and genealogical records, and other supporting evidence. Here is a link to that video, thanks for watching. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3ycoIWuptKYm5I

[@bretfrantz5069]

@@brushybret Thanks. I look forward to to it. Roberts extensive knowledge is so interesting. I have a hard time believing that he and Garret shot a drunk in the face, but when one is desperate enough anything is possible. I have always leaned towards Roberts claim. Thank you again for your research and intriguing presentations.

[@larryholcombjr674]

Brushy was too young to be Billy.

[@brushybret]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3ycoIWuptKYm5Isi=2a2Vs4m3QtmEEYZp Here is a link to a video I already did debunking the claim that Roberts was too young to be the Kid using census, employment, and genealogical records. Thanks for watching.

[@2212mjm]

Billy the Kid, had detached earlobes, while Brushy Bills were attached. Your earlobes don’t change with age! Brushy Bill Roberts, was not the Kid

[@brushybret]

This has already been debunked in the University of Texas - Austin Facial Recognition Study. As well as the Study in Ears, which determined the ears were the same. Remember, the original ears in the tintype were almost completely gone and were "retouched", by Noah H. Rose. Only by using special facial recognition equipment and software can the test / read underneath Rose's work and measure the shadow or impression of the tintype. This is all detailed in John Meigs report on the condition of the Dedrick-Upham Tintype in the 1980s to the Lincoln County Heritage Trust. All of these online comparisons are done by amateurs using simple programs like photoshop or gimp and are not a reliable tool for making facial recognition comparisons, particularly on grainy, heavily damaged, and distorted, 140-year-old tintypes that have been "retouched". Acclaimed western photo historian, Robert G. McCubbin, has made statements on Noah Rose's "retouching" of the tintype and how it made it completely unrecognizable from its original condition. Thank you for watching.

[@royjacobson5561]

I do believe Brushy Billy stole from Billy the kid (William Bonney), so he can claim he was, but that was a lie. By the way, William Bonney can read and write, but Brushy Billy can't.

[@brushybret]

I already did a video debunking the myth that Roberts couldn't read and write. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ap6beWCKrLGVfNE

[@lapaul2791]

Only thing that seems off is the ear lobes.

[@brushybret]

As far as the ear lobes go, the ears in the original, photograph were almost completely gone. The ears were "retouched" by a man by the name of Noah Rose. Only the very top part of one of the ears was still visible in the tintype. This was mentioned by John Meigs in his report to The Lincoln County heritage Trust in the 1980s and has been discussed by acclaimed western photograph historian Robert McCubbin.

[@steveneely6475]

I understand that Morrison’s family has never released the tapes of Brushy Bill’s recordings. You said at the beginning of this video that you were getting Brushy’s story directly from his recordings. So would it be more accurate to say you are getting the information from someone who has heard the tapes? With all due respect I think the statement that you got the information directly from the tapes is not quite accurate.

[@brushybret]

I am quoting from the transcripts, which I clearly state. I also cite 5 books which also published quotes from the recordings.

[@royjacobson5561]

He was not Billy the Kid. His real name was Oliver ? Roberts and he change his name to Brushy Billy and he did not change to Billy the kid. He had lived in Texas instead of New Mexico. He was only 2 years old when Wiiliam Bonney (Billy the kid) was killed. He did not killed the sheriff and dupty in Linclon county in 1881, he was only 2 years old when this was happened, he was not there, but William Bonney was. William was 21 years old at that time. You folks needed to focus what is really true. Most of you read is fault. Brushy Billy lied, he stole William Bonney story, so he can claimed that he was Billy the Kid. This is very wrong.

[@brushybret]

He wasn't Oliver P. Roberts, that myth has been debunked. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3ycoIWuptKYm5I

[@chriscossie]

Roy Jacobson, I agree completely with you. Well said.

[@elvispressley2365]

@@chriscossie There's a saying about fools... whether Brushy was or wasnt Billy is a dead coinflip, IMO.

[@tyj9175]

fun fact: roberts also claimed to be jesse james.

[@brushybret]

Fun fact, no he didn't kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooK8o4unoZuXecU

[@eddieboulrice6791]

I heard that joe hines aka jesse evens never seen morrison .is there any truth about jesse evens goining to morrison.is tjere any proof like paper work or a picture of so how.im still on the fence on this billy thing .i think everyone wants billy to live on but that thing with j frank dalton makes me think something dont smell right with it all.maybe he was payed to be there wasnt morrison working in st louis at sometime.

[@brushybret]

Yes there is evidence regarding Hines and I will be doing a video on him in the future. I will also go more into the Dalton thing as well. Thanks for watching.

[@TheReapersFear4]

@Brett Hall Yes, the Hines topic needs to be discussed and exposed! I believe Hines was actually William Campbell which was an alias and Morrison was protecting his identity. Jesse Evans disappeared and is rumored to be Jesse Davis.

[@brushybret]

@@TheReapersFear4 Yes, Hines was Campbell I discuss this in my book and cite the sources that support it, and in my video on Hines I will show the documents that I cite in my book. Thanks for watching.

[@TheReapersFear4]

@@brushybret awesome, man! Can't wait 😀

[@TheReapersFear4]

@Brett Hall Hey Brett! Which book of yours is that? I'd love to read it. And I wanted to get your take on something. Jesse Evans did in fact use the alias Joe Hines back in the 1880s... that seems to confuse matters or Campbell just knew that and assumed the same alias?! This stuff is wild lol

[@asleepinthealley]

Ear lobes don't change. If one picture shows hanging ear lobes and one photo shows attached ear lobes we know these are two different people. One style doesn't change into the other...Ever. This is all we need to discern Brushy Bill could not have been the Kid. Why he claimed to be is anyone's guess.

[@brushybret]

The photograph that the gentleman who promotes this theory regarding the ears used a manipulated image of the Kid. The image was "retouched" by Noah Rose, as the original was so damaged that large portions of it were no longer visible. I did a video on this, which includes source citations by two of the leading authorities on western photographs, as well as statements by John Meigs of the Lincoln County Heritage Trust. The video also includes a facial recognition study conducted by the University of Texas - Austin, which concluded Roberts and the Kid were a statistical match. The study was conducted by 2 PhD scientist who used an internationally recognized facial recognition program, whose methods were peer-reviewed in two scientific journals and were further confirmed by two independent arbiters, who were completely impartial. Here is a link to the video, thanks for watching. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2muoayHicl1nM0

[@princewilliam1717]

@@brushybret You did your homework; good job!

[@AlvinWatts-d5x]

​@@brushybretdidn't they also examine brushy bill before he died and after his death and everywhere that history said he got shot and stabbed he had the scares and even still had a 44 bullet in him if so I don't see some one inflecting pain on there self just to tell people he is someone else I think brushy is billy the kid

[@bidd7680]

Roberts is nothing like Billy the kid for one thing is the size difference and facel features Roberts is all wrong.

[@brushybret]

I already did a video debunking this claim. The facial recognition study done at The University of Texas - Austin that declared Roberts and Billy the Kid to be a match was conducted by 2 PhD scientist who used an internationally recognized facial recognition system that was peer-reviewed in 2 scientific journals and further confirmed by two independent arbiters. They were not historians and had no interest in the Billy the Kid / Brushy Bill Roberts debate... They were completely impartial. Furthermore, Severo Gallegos and Jose Montoya, who both knew Billy the Kid during his Lincoln County War days, met with and confirmed that Roberts was Billy the Kid. They both specifically mentioned that Billy the Kid had unique eyes and that Roberts possessed the same eyes as Billy the Kid. Gallegos and Montoya further asserted that In addition to having the same eyes, Roberts was the same height and size as Billy and that he walked, talked, and sounded exactly like Billy the Kid. Thanks for watching. Here is a link to my video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2muoayHicl1nM0

[@user-tj7nb9fu9t]

Looking too young for someone 90 year old..He looks more like a 70 year old (and that collaborate his year of birth of 1879).