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@C0medySeniorz
@C0medySeniorz 2 жыл бұрын
Correction at 21:10 kelsian would NOT get an experience counter from Vito dying because that ability has not resolved yet.
@monkerer1221
@monkerer1221 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same, the only way would be if Jordan let the effect Resolve before starting to activate his own effects but the video was cut as if he did it in response
@PhoenixRising200
@PhoenixRising200 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing because of the stack
@sirlink2305
@sirlink2305 2 жыл бұрын
I had to do a double take when I watched it, I knew something was off when he added an experience counter
@jackos5d851
@jackos5d851 2 жыл бұрын
@@monkerer1221 he wouldnt have been able to let the effects resolve because intrepid hero was being targeted by mangara so if he had let the effects resolve he wouldnt have been able to activate the ability the only way he couldve gotten the experience counter is if he had activated intrepid hero first, held priority, and then fired off kelsien
@ZaberFangAT
@ZaberFangAT 2 жыл бұрын
@@jackos5d851 Jordan could have let just Kelsien resolve, as that was at the top of the stack when he activated his Samut. Not sure why he would, though, for this exact reason.
@Natedogg2
@Natedogg2 2 жыл бұрын
24:30 One correction here - we cast all of the spells while Etali's trigger is resolving. We don't cast one spell, resolve it, then cast the next spell. So no matter what order the spells get cast in, the Sorcerer is going to be on the stack when Ulamog's trigger is put on the stack (Ulamog's trigger will go on the stack above all of the spells you cast), so Kelsien could not target the Sorcerer.
@brandenrichards4652
@brandenrichards4652 2 жыл бұрын
Yessir🙌🙌
@jgroen5545
@jgroen5545 2 жыл бұрын
Was about to say this, thank you!
@skykur
@skykur 2 жыл бұрын
Correct, cast triggers always mess people up
@TheKochipahk
@TheKochipahk 2 жыл бұрын
Came down to see if someone said this. The same goes Villainous Wealth and Mizzix's Mastery.
@mercadepalmer6967
@mercadepalmer6967 2 жыл бұрын
They've messed the cast triggers up a few times, it's confusing for sure but it may help if they resolve triggers like Etalis by layering the stack with the cards being cast, then putting cast triggers on the stack, then resolving like you're supposed to. Clutters up the stack but it's what it's there for.
@Ash-qp2yw
@Ash-qp2yw 2 жыл бұрын
Ad ends at 2:42 and game starts at 4:27 - mid-ad ends at 20:17
@PrimeEnLightenedShadow
@PrimeEnLightenedShadow 2 жыл бұрын
These are needed more and more every time...
@AzuriteCoast
@AzuriteCoast 2 жыл бұрын
Based
@gryffindor8896
@gryffindor8896 Жыл бұрын
@joshfarley7584
@joshfarley7584 2 жыл бұрын
The look Ash gave when her Sol Ring got popped... "SO YOU HAVE CHOSEN DEATH!?"
@monkeygame7
@monkeygame7 2 жыл бұрын
i felt that in my soul
@gypsieking3280
@gypsieking3280 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yea. There was fire there.
@cheffrey19
@cheffrey19 2 жыл бұрын
She really personified her playmat qith the glare
@LucasCotrim19
@LucasCotrim19 2 жыл бұрын
27:33 Mephidross Vampire should only trigger when Ashlen's creatures deal damage to creatures, not players...
@freondtd
@freondtd 2 жыл бұрын
easy mistake with drana just there but correct
@GuyrillaBraun
@GuyrillaBraun 2 жыл бұрын
@@freondtd Pretty lazy mistake
@Deamonic
@Deamonic 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. the one she needed for that 'combat damage to a player' effect is Necropolis Regent. "Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, put that many +1/+1 counters on it." Or, Curse of Stalked Prey. "Whenever a creature deals combat damage to enchanted player, put a +1/+1 counter on that creature."
@ZaberFangAT
@ZaberFangAT 2 жыл бұрын
@@GuyrillaBraun Not really. The vast majority of vampires (hell, creatures in general) trigger on damage to players, not creatures. Easy to default to that instead of damage to creatures.
@GuyrillaBraun
@GuyrillaBraun 2 жыл бұрын
@@ZaberFangAT and that's exactly why it's a lazy mistake
@RafaFredaReis
@RafaFredaReis 2 жыл бұрын
Jordan's deck felt way more powerful than the rest to me. The fact that it co$t$ double than Jake's and triple than Ash's and Murph's seems like a good indication, even if RL cards distort the analysis. And man, Sylvan Library is just busted.
@joshvillanueva3534
@joshvillanueva3534 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that power level just didn’t seem even, game was alright but they’ve Defo had better
@DrGorgon
@DrGorgon 2 жыл бұрын
Naw, all that cost is tied up in the original duel lands, they're about even cost-wise without those.
@yawgg
@yawgg 2 жыл бұрын
I think the Sylvan Library got him ahead and then no one was able to effectively clear his board. Nobody removed his commander or Etali and he just snowballed with no resistance.
@CraftySloth
@CraftySloth 2 жыл бұрын
We thought the same thing. Came here to say this. The game really didn't feel satisfying to watch. Won't go into details on the end but. Super big "meh" feels because of the unbalanced decks.
@adamkarolak3544
@adamkarolak3544 2 жыл бұрын
Also difference came from fact that it was straight away Naya good stuff while all other were made more about their commanders gimmick like reanimating vampires, or assassinating creatures to get experience.
@jacobmcclellan7399
@jacobmcclellan7399 2 жыл бұрын
16:06 Lol, Ashlen's reaction is money! 😂😂 Feels on that Sol Ring getting destroyed willy nilly
@ImARichard
@ImARichard 2 жыл бұрын
That was probably the MOST decisive victory Ive seen in a while
@satansamael666
@satansamael666 2 жыл бұрын
Actually might not be. Murph and Ashlen could have definitely attacked Jordan the turn they gotten the opportunity to Sylvan lock Jordan early so the cards would have came maybe a few turns too late.
@jasonholmes5714
@jasonholmes5714 2 жыл бұрын
Who would have thought that Samut would be the most powerful deck at the table (/s)
@satansamael666
@satansamael666 2 жыл бұрын
@@jasonholmes5714 yes and no, it was made powerful due to Sylvan Library. If anything, this is the demonstration of just how powerful the Library is.
@GrimSoulBanisher
@GrimSoulBanisher 2 жыл бұрын
Great to see Kelsien on the table. I have a deathtouch version of the deck with 16 ways to give him deathtouch. It was the second commander deck I ever built and it makes a lot of enemies very quickly
@stevensmith250
@stevensmith250 2 жыл бұрын
Best moment of the video is when Jake quietly says "This is the power of being silent" while Etali is casting a bunch of stuff.
@CrimsonXenoProduct
@CrimsonXenoProduct 2 жыл бұрын
I love kelsien, one of my favorite commanders, the "Oops no creatures" commander
@frankmorris4603
@frankmorris4603 2 жыл бұрын
Same
@alecolson8360
@alecolson8360 2 жыл бұрын
Smae
@skykur
@skykur 2 жыл бұрын
Aka no fun allowed
@plain6677
@plain6677 2 жыл бұрын
@@skykur kelsien is fun and great to play against
@skykur
@skykur 2 жыл бұрын
@@plain6677 yeah you just gotta kill him 5 times
@NickBurnham1
@NickBurnham1 2 жыл бұрын
Was wild to see a game without blue, super fun!
@josephclites6971
@josephclites6971 2 жыл бұрын
Is there anything better than opening up KZbin app to see there’s a new episode of Extra Turns??? Love it. Thanks to everyone at the Command Zone!!
@foddersfollies7494
@foddersfollies7494 2 жыл бұрын
Jake why? I haven't finished the episode, but making the cradle a creature? The land with the best value for you, and you made it easier to destroy.
@dillongause7528
@dillongause7528 2 жыл бұрын
Game knights dont think they have fun first
@foddersfollies7494
@foddersfollies7494 2 жыл бұрын
@@dillongause7528 you can still make smart plays while having fun.
@carlosdias854
@carlosdias854 2 жыл бұрын
The only reason to nissa gaea's craddle is to activate ir once again
@foddersfollies7494
@foddersfollies7494 2 жыл бұрын
@@carlosdias854 you're right, but he attacked with it after untapping and turning it into a creature. A regular forrest would have been sufficient for all of his goals and not leave his most important land open to even more options of targeted removal.
@carlosdias854
@carlosdias854 2 жыл бұрын
@@foddersfollies7494 precisely, the problem is not turning a land into a monster, is turning gaea's cradle into a monster for no aparent reason
@elijahwilliams6977
@elijahwilliams6977 2 жыл бұрын
Fun episode, but idk, felt super power mismatched. The second someone slams dual land into enlightened tutor sylvan library they are threat number 1 on the table and it's not close. Everyone kept poking each other and ignoring Jordan, Jordan should have been archenemy absolutely immediately. Every card in that deck seemed to be power, even the lands. Still, beauty of Commander is even when you have a game that's not that close and power mismatched, everyone can have a good time, get some archenemy action in, just laugh with friends. Definitely a great episode, especially if you wanted a quicker and easier to edit one, but the power balancing was not there (which I get sometimes happens, maybe the other decks on a nut draw can match it step for step)
@darkobiwan
@darkobiwan 2 жыл бұрын
Doesn't even need to be a dual land. Just when someone turn 2 Sylvans, you attack them to cut their resources.
@SonnigesDeutschland
@SonnigesDeutschland 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Ashlen plays some tapped lands and Fifth Dawn jank vampires, Jake goes for the jankier Equipment build... aaaand then there is Jordan who played more money in his first 2 turns than Ashlen and Murph combined for the entire game. I think this game is a great example for a power level discussion gone wrong and also a great example why tutors have no place in anything under power level 8.
@camael4209
@camael4209 2 жыл бұрын
@@SonnigesDeutschland disagree on the tutors not belonging in decks under powerlevel 8. How else are people going to assemble kaldra or other fun things? I also run tutors just to make some decks work. It's not necessarily the tutor but more the pieces that are being tutored which spike the power level. Sylvan library is just an extremely strong card especially combined with etali or other cast from top of library effects
@SonnigesDeutschland
@SonnigesDeutschland 2 жыл бұрын
@@camael4209 Yes, that's definitely right. I'd never complain about your power level if you use your tutors on Kaldra pieces. But you gotta admit that this is a fringe case and the vast majority of times people tutor for answers or combo pieces. This flexibility goes around the Singleton philosophy imo.
@Sheriff_K
@Sheriff_K 2 жыл бұрын
@@SonnigesDeutschland Tutors can also be budget options. Like instead of running Parellel Lives AND Doubling Season, you can run 1 + a Tutor, and save half the cost.. Also nothing wrong with combo strats, imo combo wins are more fun to lose to than Voltron/combat (because if everyone dies at the same time, 1 player isn't left out twiddling their thumbs waiting for everyone else to finish.. Hence why I basically no longer make Voltron type decks.) But as for me, the main reason I try to limit Tutors isn't for any of those reasons, but mainly to make games feel different and not always the same (I'd rather see different cards and win in different ways, than just tutor for the same cards every game.) Though if 1 card is really important to your deck, then I'd run a Tutor for it.
@ProdigalMadness
@ProdigalMadness 2 жыл бұрын
It is hilarious how badly Jake got picked on while being out of the game for the most part. Which sucks, because that deck is why I watched the video.
@ladyivygaming2838
@ladyivygaming2838 2 жыл бұрын
Yea I was kinda bummed as well. His board got so aggressively answered despite much larger threats on board. Hopefully we get to see a Kodama showing in the future
@seanmurphy3430
@seanmurphy3430 2 жыл бұрын
At 9:50, what is Ashlen threatening with one mana? I can't think of any commonly played Commander cards that would be helpful in this situation, and I checked her decklist - the only cards she has for one mana at instant speed are tutors. What I'm saying is that this is the mother of all bluffs.
@elil7945
@elil7945 2 жыл бұрын
Fatal push
@seanmurphy3430
@seanmurphy3430 2 жыл бұрын
​@@elil7945 I don't think Fatal Push really sees much play in casual Commander. Too many of the things you want to kill in Commander are big expensive creatures, so even as efficient as they are, cards like Fatal Push and Lightning Bolt don't really make the cut.
@adambandurak8913
@adambandurak8913 2 жыл бұрын
Lightning Bolt killing a Gaea's Cradle would have been awesome
@TheNotshauna
@TheNotshauna 2 жыл бұрын
Tragic Slip is probably what she was bluffing as it'd allow Drana to kill the Cradle. It isn't hugely popular but it sees some niche play.
@johnsulik6754
@johnsulik6754 2 жыл бұрын
NOTE: At 20:34, Kelsien's ability is actually on the stack when Vito is sacced and there should not have been an experience counter gained.
@C0medySeniorz
@C0medySeniorz 2 жыл бұрын
I just commented that. So glad I'm not the only one to catch that! I actually feel like he knew that wouldn't work and did it anyway. There's no way someone with that much experience wouldn't know that.
@exer45
@exer45 2 жыл бұрын
@@C0medySeniorz At 21:30 Ashlen also kills gideon with a spell that can only target creatures or players but gideon is a planeswalker or am i wrong?
@psy_p
@psy_p 2 жыл бұрын
@@exer45 it is any target.
@ryanscharf3353
@ryanscharf3353 17 күн бұрын
@@exer45 Alot of spells that target players can also target planewalkers in oracle text
@samuelgardner2653
@samuelgardner2653 2 жыл бұрын
10:05 - Ashlen turns one open black mana into a free attack with Olivia... Sun Tzu would be proud
@leonardoconde8930
@leonardoconde8930 2 жыл бұрын
Dear god who wouldnt destroy a craddle if given an opportunity like that, there's no way she was not bluffing
@mashafasha5796
@mashafasha5796 2 жыл бұрын
Its an understatement to say I’ve been struggling depression the past week. I often wonder to myself how long i can maintain this way. These videos are EXACTLY what i needed tonight. Your content is such a good vibe there are few things to compare to you guys. Big thanks to everyone at command zone for what you do.
@helderboymh
@helderboymh 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that. I know what it can be like. Stay strong !
@mashafasha5796
@mashafasha5796 2 жыл бұрын
@@helderboymh appreciate those words so much.
@xelamorphic
@xelamorphic 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite line: "This is the power of being silent" -Jake 24:42
@JediMB
@JediMB 2 жыл бұрын
30:48 It's worth noting that because mono-green Selvala's later ability activations are dependent on having a green mana left over from a previous activation, the only way to get "infinite" attacks with non-vigilant creatures on this board is to gamble on using mana from Selesnya-Selvala after each combat step. But infinite attacks with indestructible Samut and Archangel Avacyn obviously gets the job done regardless.
@ShredAimlessly92
@ShredAimlessly92 2 жыл бұрын
I think Eladamri refusing to tutor for Thoracle and the “Vedalken Orrery for food” are my two favorite ads this channel has done, easily.
@revolutiongaming406
@revolutiongaming406 2 жыл бұрын
"I will take this damage before he gets any bigger" proceeds to get bigger before damage lol
@fargoretro
@fargoretro 2 жыл бұрын
Jordan started a new Ancient Grudge by icing Ashlen's Sol Ring
@goatsfluff
@goatsfluff 2 жыл бұрын
"But Kolaghan's Command only deals damage to target creature or player-" When reading the card doesn't explain the card, the oracle text's got you covered. Gatherer or Scryfall are my go-tos, but anything like them works.
@samuelmuller4226
@samuelmuller4226 2 жыл бұрын
It's simply an older card. Older than the phrase "to any target" specifically. Back then there was a rule to redirect player damage to planeswalkers. Around Dominaria there was an errata for every "creature or player" card to any target.
@stevieboiser2304
@stevieboiser2304 2 жыл бұрын
Can we take a moment and appreciate the fact that the Editors display the correct edition of each card as its played?? LOVE IT!!!
@helderboymh
@helderboymh 2 жыл бұрын
Well not always, they could have used the updated version of kolaghan's command. At21:41
@stevieboiser2304
@stevieboiser2304 2 жыл бұрын
@@helderboymh It looks like the one on screen is the same edition that Ashlen plays.
@helderboymh
@helderboymh 2 жыл бұрын
@@stevieboiser2304 owhh you mean it like that. Yeah nevermind I thought you meant Like the correct most up-to-date version.
@stevieboiser2304
@stevieboiser2304 2 жыл бұрын
@@helderboymh Nahh I meant the version that each player actually uses in their deck. Most mtg gameplay seems to just post whatever the first result on gatherer is but all the Command Zone videos seem to use the exact edition that each player has in their deck which is awesome!
@Gliscorsbounty
@Gliscorsbounty 2 жыл бұрын
I love the fact whenever i think about making a certain deck, an episode of extra turns comes up with murph and hes playing that commander
@josijones8913
@josijones8913 2 жыл бұрын
Most wholesome part is the very Intro where murph says wish me luck and Josh says good luck murph. So nice
@vivienbeam6741
@vivienbeam6741 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see Josh and Jimmy react to the Commander Anthology episode.
@matthewrobert1810
@matthewrobert1810 2 жыл бұрын
Omg yes. That game was hilarious because it epitomized casual magic with your friends. Someone makes the correct play, that person gets mad and does something ridiculous 😂
@ChrisMcGiggity
@ChrisMcGiggity 2 жыл бұрын
I loved the ad for mint mobile! "Aww common josh were just trying to have fun here" "-rolls eyes and hides behind cards- I think winning is fun". Absolute gold 😂😂 PS love the power level this game it was a treat to watch
@K_Pank1028
@K_Pank1028 2 жыл бұрын
Where did the mephidros counters come from @ 27:45?
@RefleXVT
@RefleXVT 2 жыл бұрын
I think that mint mobile ad was the only ad I have ever enjoyed lol
@nunorente9908
@nunorente9908 2 жыл бұрын
11:33 Why 2? Shouldn't it be just one? The text of the card says that when ONLY the creature he dealt damage dies he gets the counter. Am I missing something here?
@ADudeWhoExperiences1393
@ADudeWhoExperiences1393 2 жыл бұрын
Kelsien puts a delayed triggered ability when he deals damage, waiting for the creature to die. Essentially, using the ability twice on a creature essentially gives it the ability "when this creature dies, kelsian the plague's owner gets an experience counter" twice. So when the creature dies, it triggers both the abilities.
@thomhitzelberger7876
@thomhitzelberger7876 2 жыл бұрын
@@ADudeWhoExperiences1393 thanks I was wondering the same thing.
@nunorente9908
@nunorente9908 2 жыл бұрын
@@ADudeWhoExperiences1393 Got it. Thank you good Sir.
@ADudeWhoExperiences1393
@ADudeWhoExperiences1393 2 жыл бұрын
@@nunorente9908 np!
@DerDarkfire1
@DerDarkfire1 2 жыл бұрын
12:56 how the hell can you cast your Commander at the end step of someone else without having a vedalken orrery or something like that? Edit: I'm blind. I just realized Samut has flash!
@Xikren
@Xikren 2 жыл бұрын
27:33 That's not what Mephidross Vampire do. Creatures get counters when they hit a creature, not a player.
@shundo8460
@shundo8460 2 жыл бұрын
Can anyone tell me why in the early turns no one attacked the player with a sylvan library?!…😑
@caseywellington4761
@caseywellington4761 2 жыл бұрын
It's the illusion that he was already taking a level amount of damage. It happens in a lot of games: one player pays a lot of life, so by disrupting their own life total it creates the illusion of balance when opponents attack someone else. Everyone's life is going down at the same rate, but only one player is using his life loss to his advantage
@shundo8460
@shundo8460 2 жыл бұрын
@@caseywellington4761 yeah, once someone plays a sylvan library you pressure their life immediately not just leave them alone. Not to mention they saw like 3 tutors from him. He should’ve been the target from the very beginning
@caseywellington4761
@caseywellington4761 2 жыл бұрын
@@shundo8460 yeah it was still bad threat assessment
@BagelFrog
@BagelFrog 2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad we get these more typical commander games in extra turns, I like seeing weird and new commanders but sometimes it’s nice to see older commanders
@ThePepePan
@ThePepePan 2 жыл бұрын
So, in 11:32 Kelsien gets 2 experience counters. I'm confused with that. It gets a counter for each ping he dealt to that creature when it dies? Thanks in advance.
@helderboymh
@helderboymh 2 жыл бұрын
Yep each ping is checking if the condition is met ( the creature dying) and then if it does that part of the ability triggers.
@dasdrifter12
@dasdrifter12 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, each activation creates a separate trigger.
@mHysteresis
@mHysteresis 2 жыл бұрын
At 29:45 there is not available green mana to activate Selvana. So the game might have ended differently
@KingRorix
@KingRorix 2 жыл бұрын
Selvala lets you add x mana in any combination of colors.
@dasdrifter12
@dasdrifter12 2 жыл бұрын
He tapped a stomping grounds, which has green mana.
@mHysteresis
@mHysteresis 2 жыл бұрын
@@dasdrifter12 that’s not a Boros land?
@dasdrifter12
@dasdrifter12 2 жыл бұрын
@@mHysteresis nah its red/green
@metalmarlett1418
@metalmarlett1418 2 жыл бұрын
Around 23:33 did not go missed. “Hey, that’s pretty good”
@adriangranado3622
@adriangranado3622 10 ай бұрын
11:25 how is possible to get 2 experience counters if the creature that Kelsien attacked is the same?
@seymour47
@seymour47 2 жыл бұрын
Starts at 2:42
@release_the_awesome512
@release_the_awesome512 10 ай бұрын
Am I wrong for thinking Kelsein should not have gotten 2 experience counters for doing 2 points of damage to 1 creature? It reads when that creature dies you get an experience counter.
@hammathyme
@hammathyme Жыл бұрын
kind of surreal to see another jordan who also thoroughly enjoys slaying enemies with samut & friends. my absolute fave!
@SoloHare
@SoloHare 2 жыл бұрын
21:30 kolaghan’s command says “deal 2 damage to target creature or player” why was was it able to hit gideon?
@helderboymh
@helderboymh 2 жыл бұрын
Kolagans command was printed before they allowed people to directly target planeswalkers, it used to be that any non combat damage to a player could be redirected to a PW. After the rules change they errataed all old cards that said "target creature or player" to "any target".
@jordanspencer5553
@jordanspencer5553 2 жыл бұрын
At 21:39 Am I missing something, or can Kolaghan's Command not hit Gideon? It's target creature or player... not planeswalker?
@kingofbudokai
@kingofbudokai 2 жыл бұрын
All direct damage spells that target players can have the damage redirected to a Planeswalker. So things like shock or lightning bolt can hit Planeswalkers too, just fyi. Edit: actually wait, I forgot they changed that rule back when dominaria came out, so I need to clarify further. Any card that says "target creature or player" specifically, that came out before dominaria is considered to instead say "any target". So they can still hit Planeswalkers, it's just different as to how. That's why they changed lightning bolt to say "any target" when they started to reprint it after that change. Basically they didn't want to change how any of the old cards worked, they just wanted to change things moving forward.
@Amoomuu
@Amoomuu 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like an addict, how thirsty I am for more of these episodes.
@cam10287
@cam10287 2 жыл бұрын
Ok, so someone help me on this, how does at 21:41 Kolaghan's Command target a plainswalker?
@helderboymh
@helderboymh 2 жыл бұрын
Kolagans command was printed before they allowed people to directly target planeswalkers with damage, it used to be that any non combat damage to a player could be redirected to a PW. After the rules change so that you now can target pw they errataed all old cards that said "target creature or player" to any target, command was made before that change so the official text now also say "any target".
@cam10287
@cam10287 2 жыл бұрын
@@helderboymh thank you
@sushimartyr6311
@sushimartyr6311 2 жыл бұрын
Am I missing something, or would Kolaghan’s Command be unable to target Gideon at around 21:39? I know he can turn into a creature, but he’s still a Planeswalker at this point, right?
@helderboymh
@helderboymh 2 жыл бұрын
Kolagans command was printed before they allowed people to directly target planeswalkers, it used to be that any non combat damage to a player could be redirected to a PW. After the rules change they errataed all old cards that said "target creature or player" to "any target".
@moersertrupp
@moersertrupp 2 жыл бұрын
quick correction to the last statement: Jordan can only attack with the vigilance creatures multiple times, as the others dont get untapped again after the second combat phase and as the mana pool gets emptied on phase switch, he can only activate Selvala one more time. Doesnt change the outcome, as avacyn alone is enough to kill everyone, but for a similar situation its important to keep in mind, in case you have no vigilance creatures
@caseywellington4761
@caseywellington4761 2 жыл бұрын
It actually doesn't work that way, because he can choose to hold selvala untapped (out of combat) and then tap her to activate the enchantment after each combat step, untapping everything each time.
@Petronio39
@Petronio39 2 жыл бұрын
Well, yes and no, since he can leave the selvalas back to pay for another activation of aggravated assault to untap the non vigilance creatures on those extra combats.
@moersertrupp
@moersertrupp 2 жыл бұрын
@@Petronio39 yeah but selbaöa Costs to activate and he doesn't keep his mana between steps
@Petronio39
@Petronio39 2 жыл бұрын
@@moersertrupp he has 2 selvala, explorer returned could also be left back. Since it has no cost to activate, you could tap it, parley, and use the mana gained from that ability to activate selvala heart of the wilds ability again.
@moersertrupp
@moersertrupp 2 жыл бұрын
@@Petronio39 that makes sense. Thank you
@swmccrary
@swmccrary 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure how everyone didn't realize that Jordan was archenemy immediately. That was a very expensive ($$$ wise) first few turns. They may be playing a little friendly because that board state was obviously going to pop off.
@devashannaidoo6877
@devashannaidoo6877 2 жыл бұрын
yea the moment you see the og duals, you know theyre packing heat
@foddersfollies7494
@foddersfollies7494 2 жыл бұрын
@@devashannaidoo6877 why, because they have expensive cards? I know people that purposely get a foil version of every card in their deck for bling, but it doesn't mean their deck is overpowered. None of the cards he played in the first 2 turns should have made you feel like he was arch enemy because of their expense. Once he got the library in play, they should have been hitting him to get his life total down so he couldn't use it. Because he played a dual land, give me a break. It's a slightly better check or shock land. The only reason they're expensive is because of their rarity, not their power.
@devashannaidoo6877
@devashannaidoo6877 2 жыл бұрын
@@foddersfollies7494 I said he was packing heat. Didnt out right say or accuse him of bringing an overpowered deck to the table. Noone puts OG duals into a deck that's similar to a precon level of play 🤣
@foddersfollies7494
@foddersfollies7494 2 жыл бұрын
@@devashannaidoo6877 if they have them, they do. Hell, I run Taiga in Grumgully, Scrubland in Athreos, etc... I wouldn't consider either of those decks to higher power than a 7. I have the cards, they're pretty, so why wouldn't I run them?
@foddersfollies7494
@foddersfollies7494 2 жыл бұрын
@@devashannaidoo6877 also, targeting Jordan because he has Sylvan Library in play is a smart decision. Targeting him because he has OG duals in his deck, well, that just reeks of jealousy.
@sigma7511
@sigma7511 2 жыл бұрын
at 11:15 why does Kelsien get two experience counters? As far as I can tell and read it says when that creature dies this turn not how many times it was used. Only one creature died so shouldn't it have only gotten one experience counter regardless of how many times it hit that creature it was still only one creature correct?
@Natedogg2
@Natedogg2 2 жыл бұрын
This is discussed in Gatherer: Each time Kelsien's last ability resolves, it creates a separate delayed triggered ability. If you untap Kelsien and activate its last ability multiple times in one turn, they'll each trigger when the appropriate creature or creatures die. Since they activated Kelsien's ability twice targeting the same creature, both delayed triggers will trigger when the creature dies and he gets two experience counters.
@sigma7511
@sigma7511 2 жыл бұрын
@@Natedogg2 That doesn't seem right to me only because if it hits the same creature it is when that creature dies this turn and I dont see how a creature can die multiple times BUT if it is discussed and that is the correct way then hey I can't say anymore about it. Thank you for the explanation!
@Natedogg2
@Natedogg2 2 жыл бұрын
@@sigma7511 It's not dying multiple times. We just have multiple triggers that care about it dying. For example, if you control Blood Artist and Zulaport Cutthroat in play and a creature you control dies, both abilities trigger. Blood Artist triggering doesn't stop the Cutthoat's ability from triggering, and vice versa. Since Kelsien's ability was activated twice targeting the same creature, there are two delayed triggers set up that will trigger if it dies later in the turn. So both will trigger when the creature dies, not just one of them.
@justincane4274
@justincane4274 2 жыл бұрын
Episode actually starts at 2:44 Damn midrolls end at 20:14
@notrkm
@notrkm 2 жыл бұрын
I love the eladamri's call ad so much XD
@Grimlock2183
@Grimlock2183 2 жыл бұрын
Need to see Jordan on more stuff. Give this man a spot on Game Knights!
@gigagalabriel
@gigagalabriel 2 жыл бұрын
Totally not me pausing everything i have been doing cuz this is the best notification i have gotten today
@k1llampt
@k1llampt 2 жыл бұрын
murph would not have gotten an experience counter for targeting the vito because everything was done in response and the ability wouldn't have had a target by the time it got to that part of the stack. edit: @20:30 time stamp
@helderboymh
@helderboymh 2 жыл бұрын
True
@Mrbuzzfuzz
@Mrbuzzfuzz 2 жыл бұрын
Kelsian wouldn't get the experience counter when vito died, the ability would've fizzled in the stack?
@josephpayton7522
@josephpayton7522 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. I'm a newbie and I knew that. I was shocked that that somehow slipped through.
@Natedogg2
@Natedogg2 2 жыл бұрын
Depends. They could have let Kelsien's ability resolve first before Jordan untaps Mangara and attempts to exile the Hero. Since that's the way they played, it seems that's what they went with.
@josephpayton7522
@josephpayton7522 2 жыл бұрын
@@Natedogg2 it could work like that if that's what Jordan wanted to allow, but Jordan didn't want to pass priority back around the table. He took an action instead of passing and letting the damage resolve.
@josephpayton7522
@josephpayton7522 2 жыл бұрын
@@Natedogg2 Jordan wouldn't have wanted Murphy to have another experience counter so I see no way he thought about exiling Vito and then decided to let the experience counter triggering damage resolve and then exile Vito. All in all pretty easy to determine it was a mistake which no one is going to hate them for. It's just fun to point them out. Makes us plebs feel smart. 🤓
@Natedogg2
@Natedogg2 2 жыл бұрын
@@josephpayton7522 There was no indication one way or the other if they were letting the ability resolve or not. But since the players agreed on the game state and Kelsien triggering, it seems they're in agreement that they had let the ability resolved, even if they didn't make it explicitly clear with their words.
@justinlbc4444
@justinlbc4444 2 жыл бұрын
@12:56 how did he cast his commander when not on his turn?
@helderboymh
@helderboymh 2 жыл бұрын
She has flash.
@rara2ra2yrra3racjj2
@rara2ra2yrra3racjj2 2 жыл бұрын
Jordan's Enlightened Tutor play be like "I'm gonna search my *library* for Sylvan *Library* , then shuffle my *library* and put the Sylvan *library* on top of my *library* "
@Customerbuilder
@Customerbuilder 2 жыл бұрын
This was nice! I had Samut for a long while, with Kiki-Jiki finishes. Great to see a similar deck do work.
@randommindz6782
@randommindz6782 2 жыл бұрын
30:50 wait..... 1) Selvala needs mana to untap. Mana is gone after combat step...so how does he end up paying (G) to activate more mana? 2) Aggravated Assault untaps for THAT main phase....afterwards the creatures don't untap so only one creature with vigilance is getting attacks in right? Am I missing something?
@JordanPridgen
@JordanPridgen 2 жыл бұрын
indestructible vigilance creatures get the job done! Also I could probably get a few more green mana using the GW selvala. If I needed to I could draw my deck and find a mana dork to do that job. I didn't need to though because the job was already done.
@randommindz6782
@randommindz6782 2 жыл бұрын
@@JordanPridgen So just the one Angel then? Okay....unless I missed another.
@JordanPridgen
@JordanPridgen 2 жыл бұрын
@@randommindz6782 samut too!
@emrick8928
@emrick8928 2 жыл бұрын
So when he tapped Selvala the first time he had ten mana at his disposal and only used eight. Three to cast Aggravated Assault and then five to active its effect. He had two remaining to use and re-tap Selvala. Aggravated Assault's first effect untaps creatures for only five and he was gaining ten every time, allowing him to go infinite mana and infinite main/combat phases. Combat wise he had indestructible creatures because of Avacyn, and double damage take half thanks to his Gisela, Blade of Goldnight,
@damnjekyll
@damnjekyll 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine activating Parley once and taking the lead entirely. Lmfao
@MaxMagic29
@MaxMagic29 2 жыл бұрын
We need extra turns and game knights once per week. It's definitely the best part. I don't even care who's playing jjst have one per week we wanna see magic played! Love the content
@Mr_Landfall_MTG
@Mr_Landfall_MTG 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure if you realize how much effort goes into each and every episode and the probably 100hrs or more it takes to edit each episode.
@pokecrafter9999
@pokecrafter9999 2 жыл бұрын
Quite a few rules issues in this episode, still good though
@cameronpalm8159
@cameronpalm8159 2 жыл бұрын
Where can I buy the playing mats listed above? I looked online and on Ultra Pros website and could not find them. Thanks :)
@fareedjaved5986
@fareedjaved5986 2 жыл бұрын
Jake's death made me laugh so hard. Keep up the good work. Hope y'all do more extra turns Edit: typo
@elil7945
@elil7945 2 жыл бұрын
27:27 why is mephidross vampire doing that? That’s just not what the card does
@ADudeWhoExperiences1393
@ADudeWhoExperiences1393 2 жыл бұрын
Mixed it up with drana I suppose
@emaus9398
@emaus9398 2 жыл бұрын
I actually prefer watching Extra Turns, though the animations for Game Knights is ofc great!
@gypsieking3280
@gypsieking3280 2 жыл бұрын
I am of a similar mindset. Extra Turns has a great pace.
@Morgane25
@Morgane25 2 жыл бұрын
27:29 Why the Ashlen's creature gain +1/+1 counter? They hit Jordan but no creature, isn't it?
@helderboymh
@helderboymh 2 жыл бұрын
Yep.
@psy_p
@psy_p 2 жыл бұрын
She misplayed
@MalteLewandowski
@MalteLewandowski 2 жыл бұрын
Jordan's Deck seems to be at least one to two powerlevels above the rest, or was he just very lucky with his draws?
@jayrpg9114
@jayrpg9114 2 жыл бұрын
its more like no one stopped him. Usually a deck like olivia and Kodama can get just as out of hand, but almost all of the removal was targeted at jake and murphs creatures as they had the earliest board states, while ashlen seemed to have a slow draw in a deck that is about being resilient to removal, which is much better in long drawn out games.
@psy_p
@psy_p 2 жыл бұрын
@@jayrpg9114 that Kodama cannot get out of hand easily.
@TheClocktowerCrew
@TheClocktowerCrew 2 жыл бұрын
21:38 im a bit confused, can someone explain to me why Kolaghan's Command was able to kill Gideon? He is neither a Creature nor a Player, and even with his (0) ability, he is only a creature till the end of the turn and is indestructible, preventing all damage done to him this turn.
@simonauger689
@simonauger689 2 жыл бұрын
See comment below, this card Kolaghan's Command is prior to planeswalkers new redirection rule and so the rules on it has gotten an errata since to replace creature by any target.
@Guavamente
@Guavamente 2 жыл бұрын
I think that was the best Keeps ad I've ever seen. Usually it's super annoying and shameful but this time it was playful
@makennymaxime9328
@makennymaxime9328 2 жыл бұрын
At work when I got this notification. Can’t wait to Get home and watch!
@yosefzanerva806
@yosefzanerva806 2 жыл бұрын
18:33 Command Zone fans, I have a new favorite CZ ad moment.
@alexandrevilnet3151
@alexandrevilnet3151 2 жыл бұрын
26:23 Did Murph cast Sun titan with only one white mana?
@Natedogg2
@Natedogg2 2 жыл бұрын
No. He tapped a Plains and a Battlefield Forge for white mana (that's why he had to take a damage from the Forge to cast Sun Titan).
@alexandrevilnet3151
@alexandrevilnet3151 2 жыл бұрын
@@Natedogg2 oh yes, it was hidden under the mountains, thanks!
@Arcadious10
@Arcadious10 2 жыл бұрын
JLK getting swole! Murph happy that you got a chance to direct! Happy for the level ups!
@cullenmcanally8119
@cullenmcanally8119 2 жыл бұрын
Ima gonna be that guy that nitpicks! Wasn’t Kelsien’s activated ability still on the stack when Vito was sacrificed? @20:44 ish
@helderboymh
@helderboymh 2 жыл бұрын
That is what it looks like, it's all in response of what's happening yeah
@6LordMortus9
@6LordMortus9 2 жыл бұрын
The Keeps segment was amazing!!
@jdogg2896
@jdogg2896 7 ай бұрын
Can someone explain to me how Kelsien can tap to do one damage (activated ability) and then also after still hit a player/creature with two damage after he’s tapped or am I seeing this wrong
@nobohs8349
@nobohs8349 2 жыл бұрын
Correction at 21:34, Ashley wouldn’t have been able to kill Gideon with Kolaghan’s Command because it says target creature or player and not any target or target planeswalker. Was still a great episode!!
@theboyceMD
@theboyceMD 2 жыл бұрын
She can, PW are considered “players” for this kind of direct damage, but now this effect reads “any target” to avoid this issue (including this card errata).
@nobohs8349
@nobohs8349 2 жыл бұрын
@@theboyceMD thanks for explaining this. It makes more sense now
@isaiahrichardson5496
@isaiahrichardson5496 2 жыл бұрын
Mostly unrelated to the video, but I didn’t know where else to find an answer. Can anyone fill me in on how an ashaya and tomik combo would work? Since everything is a forest land and a creature and tomik protects your lands from opponents, can they still target your creatures as such?
@helderboymh
@helderboymh 2 жыл бұрын
Nope you can't Target lands including non-tokens that are now lands.
@isaiahrichardson5496
@isaiahrichardson5496 2 жыл бұрын
@@helderboymh thanks for the reply. So would a destroy target creature ability work on ashaya or another non token? I’m fairly new to magic so I’m slow with rulings and stuff.
@helderboymh
@helderboymh 2 жыл бұрын
@@isaiahrichardson5496 nope, anything that says Target can't be cast on creatures.
@joachimpearson4892
@joachimpearson4892 2 жыл бұрын
man every time I see Samut played I just can't believe it- the card reads like it's going to be a bit quirky but it's just insane. It's so outrageously explosive, flash it in on end step and then when you untap, everything balanced by summoning sickness is broken instantly, and then broken again by the untap ability. I've never seen a game with her where she doesn't kill everyone faster than they can react
@daanverschaeren7197
@daanverschaeren7197 2 жыл бұрын
Finnally some love for one of my favorite commanders Kelsien
@Starfury117
@Starfury117 2 жыл бұрын
"I think winning is fun" -JKL. I liked the ad more than i liked the game. Halp.
@YaBoyEdGames
@YaBoyEdGames 2 жыл бұрын
That ad was one of the better ones they had with card integration recently. Pretty funny all around.
@TheBagwell269
@TheBagwell269 2 жыл бұрын
Infinite combat steps and indestructible... impressive!
@danielsouza7983
@danielsouza7983 2 жыл бұрын
Jordan couldn't go for infinite attacks because the green mana would be lost when he declared attack, right?
@JEDWOLFF
@JEDWOLFF 2 жыл бұрын
At 21:39, how did Ashlen use Kolaghan's Command to destroy Gideon?
@YaBoyEdGames
@YaBoyEdGames 2 жыл бұрын
Errata to cards that said creature/player now allow damage to planeswalkers too so it now says in oracle “any target”
@jonathankolberg2706
@jonathankolberg2706 2 жыл бұрын
The gaias crade has summoning sickness, it was played the same turn, or is there an interaction with Nissa I missed.
@helderboymh
@helderboymh 2 жыл бұрын
You are correct that it has summoning sickness but nissa also gives the land haste. This, btw, was done so that people don't need to be careful about tracking which lands were played this turn and to stop any confusion or discussion about wether the targeted land was played this turn.
@psy_p
@psy_p 2 жыл бұрын
There was HASTE literally written on the screen dude.
@ProphetofEndTimes
@ProphetofEndTimes 2 жыл бұрын
Every time Josh says wild and crazy I always think of the snl skit Two Wild and Crazy Guys! Idk why
@jaka1748
@jaka1748 2 жыл бұрын
What do you mean you don't know why? There's a very obvious reason why your brain would correlate the two things
@guerrillagorilla6537
@guerrillagorilla6537 2 жыл бұрын
Hahaha I’m really curious how many people even know what you’re talking about
@ProphetofEndTimes
@ProphetofEndTimes 2 жыл бұрын
@@jaka1748 because Josh is the Dan Aykroyd of Command Zone? Idk
@jamesharrigan2244
@jamesharrigan2244 2 жыл бұрын
where was the color fixing for jordan selvala makes green mana right?
@Natedogg2
@Natedogg2 2 жыл бұрын
Selvala, Heart of the Wilds can make mana in any combination of colors. Selvala, Explorer Returned can only make green mana.
@psy_p
@psy_p 2 жыл бұрын
Read the card
@mrmastashio315
@mrmastashio315 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like I'm making a mistake considering I haven't seen any other comments mentioning it, but how do you get more red mana to pay for the infinite combat steps via Aggravated Assault?
@anonymouse8124
@anonymouse8124 2 жыл бұрын
Selvala lets you add mana in any combination of colours. I was thinking the same, but the answer is hidden on her text - it isn't colourless mana, it's any combination you want.
@CaptainNinjaKid
@CaptainNinjaKid 2 жыл бұрын
Much happier to watch this over anything with post
@stevesarakas338
@stevesarakas338 2 жыл бұрын
12:50 How does Jordan cast his commander on someone else's turn?
@JordanPridgen
@JordanPridgen 2 жыл бұрын
Flash!
@stevesarakas338
@stevesarakas338 2 жыл бұрын
@@JordanPridgen I somehow missed it having flash
@TheMaxAttacks14
@TheMaxAttacks14 2 жыл бұрын
Words cannot express how much I stan how Ashlen looked at Jordan 16:08
@chrisgebben2043
@chrisgebben2043 2 жыл бұрын
16:06 when you see a face like that it just says....yea your gonna die (i mean lets faces blasting a sol ring early is almost suicidal unless you have stuff prepared)
@saltgp
@saltgp 2 жыл бұрын
So that whole stack interaction between Murph, Jordan, and Ashlen, when Kelsien targets Vito then a couple more effects go on the stack then Ashlen sacs Vito to Yahenni, Murph says he gets an experience counter for Kelsien’s ability from Vito, but wouldn’t that ability not have resolved yet because everything else resolved before that ability?
@helderboymh
@helderboymh 2 жыл бұрын
Correct. They messed that up
@FoxDie85
@FoxDie85 2 жыл бұрын
I love this team. They should always run Extra Turns.
@mbalazs3544
@mbalazs3544 2 жыл бұрын
26:45 love Ashlin and her decks, its just annoying to watch she was the only one who tried to do something about "the big threat" well GG to the hord of bigger horrors
@nik700
@nik700 2 жыл бұрын
Selvala... noy only produces any color but also any combination... because it wasn't broken enough
@zackkelley2940
@zackkelley2940 2 жыл бұрын
Let's face it... Selvala goes infinite if someone looks in her general direction. Seedcradle Witch is a favorite of mine, pumps Selvala AND untaps her^^
@psy_p
@psy_p 2 жыл бұрын
Being broken is green's weakness.
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