BRUTALLY Honest Thoughts On Joe Rogan and Pavel Tsatsouline

[@csugabo85]

I like how both Joe and Pavel look like kettlebells

[@raymonddunne7153]

😆

[@kupkakegrenade7052]

🤣🤣🤣

[@b-sideplank]

😂😂😂 bro how you don't have like 60k likes

[@timmytempleton2488]

At 51 years old I needed something new. Joe and Pavel started me on a kettlebell journey.

[@markbond08]

Kettlebells are dumb. Barbells are all you need

[@sebya1906]

Wow!! I'm remember that interview because it was the first video I've ever seen about kettlebells. A few days later I've found your channel, a video reaction to Jeff Cavaliere's kettlebell technique. It was two years ago and two things I won't forget, one how by listening to Pavel Tsatsoulin impressed me to buy my first kettlebells and start training. His videos were a great source for KB training. The second, when I found your channel you only had 10K or less subscribers. The continuous growth shows you do offer quality information. By the way, I love your Turkish Get Up technique, it is clean, safe, easy and simple. I hope you make it to 50K subscribers soon!!! Thanks again for the information and the great efforts you put in every video!!

[@utubepunk]

Oh wow, Coach Gregory is pretty close to 50K subs! NICE.

[@lebe-stark]

I truly appreciate your feedback Sebastian! Thank you! - Gregory

[@meisdetermined]

He made it!! :)

[@fluckster69]

I just found your channel and although I myself no longer use kettlebells, I sincerely appreciate how you navigate conversations. You don’t allow yourself to be in an “echo chamber” and you are capable of insightful commentary on multiple perspectives. Very refreshing and appreciated! Best of luck sir!

[@lebe-stark]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@CalTN]

His comments on greasing the groove and the biochemistry of hypertrophy were the catalyst for me to learn even more about human biology. Side note, the comments on how both Joe and Pavel look like kettlebells are hilarious. I buzz my head around the same time I fell in love with the kettlebell so maybe it's an unintended side effect. This interview helped completely reshape my relationship with fitness and movement. The inherent minimalistic nature of kettlebell training deeply moved me. As Mark Wildman says, "Unlimited variability, unlimited complexity. Simple but not easy." Progressing from 2 handed swing to the single arm swing clean, press and squat was immensely rewarding. Working up the strength AND the neurological connections to swing a bell over head then between my legs in the snatch was a personal victory like no other. It sounds silly but those that know and haven't been athletes their entire life will understand. My favorite way to move these days is to pull my gymnastic rings, kettlebell and steel mace/club from the trunk and get a workout in at the park. Barefoot and shirtless in the sun with my bare feet on the earth. Brilliant revelation. I really enjoy this style of commentary from you, Gregory. You've got a perspective which I admire.

[@lebe-stark]

Thanks for sharing brother! - Gregory

[@flouisbailey]

Retired Chiropractor here, 40 years of learning the body has taught me. Exercise right arm left gets stronger(not bulging but benefiting, it has a lot to do with neural tracks. This is commonly called muscle memory, in actuality it’s the neurology developing the command and control of the muscle, at a level where you don’t have to think about it.) A broken arm heals faster if the unbroken arm is exercised. Also seen in acupuncture where opposite side is treated to maintain balance. All too complex for KZbin comment.

[@myronromero7071]

59 years old and just starting Kettlebell journey

[@johannesschadenfreude7288]

Lebe Stark's unappreciated talent is the pronunciation of names and scientific terms.

[@Abyyss33]

As a person who just started getting back into KB as compared to my 38 years of weight training/powerlifting I have noticed the "the what the hell effect" as has my son that the dynamic and functional strength goes through the roof.

[@mertonhirsch4734]

having read the original Soviet texts (translations) I would argue that leg extensions (for example) are actually not an SPP exercise but a GPP exercise. In the West, we have tended to use the Westside powerlifting definition where GPP is more systematic and SPP is more focused, like a pushup compared to an isometric press in the lockout range for example, but in the Russian terminology, GPP was more associated with the concept of being less technically dependent while SPP was more technically dependent, so an isometric press, having very little technical dependency was building the "general" attribute of high motor recruitment, independent of balance, tempo, bar path etc, while a jerk was SPP because it had a high technical demand, but it was harder to overload. The Squat, bench and deadlift were GPP exercises while in powerlifting they become SPP exercise, but Simmons considered partials to be even more SPP, even though they were less technical and therefore could be overloaded to build a GENERAL attribute independent of technique.

[@lebe-stark]

This is highly insightful and an intelligent comment, brother! I thought about the GPP/SPP concept for a long time. Example: For a kettlebell sport athlete, the Clean would be a SPP exercise. Whereas for an MMA fighter, it could be considered GPP. It's important to understand the distinctions between the sport and the various requirements the sport takes. After reading through Verkshoshansky's and Yessis' work, I understand that "SPP" is a term used for extremely specified exercises, that closely resemble the joint actions done in the particular sport. Thanks for sharing! 💪

[@ivy1974]

I listened to that podcast. Seemed like the entire video Pavel is quoting his book chapter by chapter from memory.

[@utubepunk]

You know what they say... write what you know.

[@dondo4341]

one of the most underrated channel on youtube...

[@myronromero7071]

Kettlebells for power hell yea. As I am currently working on pulling 500 again and kettlebells has made this deadlift thing a lot easier . Pulled 405 this morning and it was rather easy

[@JuanRojo-bv7jm]

Thanks for your video. Take care

[@growlerfrown487]

Yes, my pull-ups improved a lot just from swings... I was shocked

[@lebe-stark]

Great to hear!

[@anandbenegal]

He's written about this protocol in a recent book tbh: "The Quick and The Dead". It's worth a read, in my opinion.

[@JustinRawley]

I like that minimalist approach, based on two main exercises and perhaps some supplemental exercises. It makes it easy to stick to a plan and there’s not a lot of mental overload on how to perform movements or program the workouts. I have been primarily focused on the KB swing and the iron cross pulls. I use the Ring Thing so I can get about ten reps with fairly long hold times, then with a dip belt, I can add weight and go down in reps.

[@lunarlashhinkle3165]

Thanks. I really enjoyed this discussion.

[@Livesinashack]

I always hated how barbell squats felt. Tried suitcase squats, but the dumbells prevented getting low. Goblet squats with a kettle feels the most natural for me.

[@lebe-stark]

Thanks for sharing! 💪

[@mikemiller1502]

Thank you for sharing great Content👏

[@scraps4019]

Thank you. I was beginning to sense that the kettlebell press is a more secure bio mechanical movement for the shoulders. I'm gauging this on how my rotator cuff feels with current minor issues. Your comments really help interpret Pavel's knowledge.

[@lebe-stark]

Glad to hear this! - Gregory

[@papasitoman]

I used a15lb kettlebell turned upside down for presses: it feels amazing on the shoulders. Still do regular presses but throw those in for shoulder health.

[@larrywallace2881]

If you look at what kinda exercise they were doing back in the late 1800s and early 1900s like Indian clubs & Kettlebells I believe they had already figured out a lot of things, we unfortunately are always looking to reinvent the wheel.

[@lebe-stark]

Many of us are trying to add to the discussion. As a wise man once said: "There is nothing new under the sun…"

[@shumardi1]

@@lebe-stark That was King Solomon.

[@kettlebellinjapan]

You and Pavel are in same page regarding the hydrogen ion and lactic acid production. Can't remember which articles and books he wrote, or probably one of his seminars.

[@michaelstas9811]

At around 9:41 Yes, agree But he is speaking more in the long term. In terms of sustainability. The type of training that we can take with us throughout the rest of our lives. I don’t believe that this holds true for the athlete that is training for a specific sport. There is definitely a grey area here, but let’s look at the general concept more than the means of how we get there. In that respect, his philosophy is hard to argue.

[@dasmarkopo]

I do the majority of weightraining with weights and machines, but still like to mix it up with kettlebells (mostly swings and snatches). Actually by doing (quite heavy) machine shoulder my left shoulder has been a little numb (and even been hurting) sometimes, which before when I was doing a lot of kettlebell snatches and kb shoulder presses they did not. And when I started doing machines I was actually stronger in the lift than I'm now. I've been training quite a while so my max strength doesn't increase so much anymore.

[@wlcrutch]

Something I would to see: in an old video, I think it was “enter the kettlebell” Pavel talks about doing presses with your lat, and something about “packing the shoulder”. Would you ever consider doing a video where you break down what he means? I find it hard to engage my lats on the press like he suggests.

[@lebe-stark]

Packing the shoulder means, to screw your upper arm into your shoulder for more stability. It takes time to start feeling your lats.

[@IAMBlessed811]

I love 🥰 the experience of kettlebell training 🏹💕

[@xcal123]

This interview of Joe+PavelT is what got me into KB training and good research led me to Lebe Stark :) *yell*: TRIANGLE

[@lebe-stark]

Aweseom! - Gregory

[@jamesdspaderf2883]

Recent research suggests that lactic acid, also known as lactate, does not inhibit muscle growth but can actually stimulate it by acting as a signaling molecule that promotes muscle cell repair and regeneration, potentially contributing to muscle hypertrophy when produced during intense exercise; therefore, it is considered more of a stimulator than an inhibitor of muscle growth.

[@brandoncook8419]

Great video!

[@lebe-stark]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@mimihugebear7818]

Great video as always !Could you make a video about Dircus du plesiss UFC fighter training.He did a lot of kettlebell stuff

[@lebe-stark]

I'll check it out

[@emamihaelagimpirea6136]

I’m happy with the product so far. It’s fairly new to me but I’m getting a little bit better at it

[@kettlebellinjapan]

Mel Siff's book "Super Training" has list of athletics in the "burn" zone. Neither 400m sprint nor marathon are in it. 800m sprint and other odd swimming distances are categorized in the burn zone. The number's of competitors in this zone, apparently must be low in populations because I don't know an 800 meter sprinter very well. Just from jogging my memory.

[@raymonddunne7153]

Im 58 and have been wondering if antigycolytic programming might be wise. i figure Id try the kettlebell axe program. So i swung a 50lb bell 40 sets of 6 reps ofer a total of 40min last night. It felt good. I felt like I could do another exercise but didnt really need to have a productive day. I like Pavel he is like the Dave Ramsey of fitness. Not too academic or elitist.

[@lgorenc]

Pavel and Joe look like kettlebells with their headphones on.

[@lebe-stark]

Imagine there was a kettlebell in the shape of the heads of these two guys. A work of art! lol - Gregory

[@crusader.survivor]

Just like Pavel said in his own videos, a martial arts background is most beneficial for kettlebells! I train with kettlebells to better and improve my martial arts!

[@gregkelland]

Regarding the love of kettlebells, Do you think that you could achieve all of the same improvements with any method that loads tissues and trains energy systems?

[@lebe-stark]

Good question Greg. I think every method has its benefits. Kettlebells seem to touch all bases of human performance. That's something that's not an easy feat for a particular training tool. - Gregory

[@mikem4432]

Pavel is 60ish I agree with his minimalist views or opinion.. keep is simple do it right.. simple.

[@phonefamoustv7930]

Getting Jack is simple. Lift 75% of your max to failure as often as you can.

[@paradox_1729]

Could you share your sources of soviet physical exercise theories?

[@lebe-stark]

Most resources I've read are from Dr. Yuri Verkhoshansky. - Gregory

[@anthonycraig274]

I don’t think people can’t make up their own mind because generally people are ignorant of biology, physical training and do not have the data. I decided to do just push-ups since new year 2023 and I have built so much muscle it ridiculous. I do slow push-ups for 3 and half minutes. That’s it. All my previous experience would say that nonsense but here I am.

[@blackthornep8115]

Its because most people are ignorant and enjoy being so. When it comes to men specifically they have "bro science" and "Macho" power so real study does not even enter into their minds they say ignorant and injury themselves all the time. Lets not even touch on the Drug issue with a lot of people these days. Very few humans training for health and longevity just ego lifts and aesthetics!

[@HkFinn83]

@@blackthornep8115 that’s not what broscience means lol

[@arijitsinha6485]

A russian is teaching American version an anerican is teaching a russian style and we are learning hybrid style by watching someone who is neither American nor Russian

[@Bahlovinglife]

You should do a Joe Rogan show interview.

[@nenadcvele]

Did you do a react video to fitprohawaii maybe? 🙂 I searched but didn't din anything.

[@lebe-stark]

I haven‘t. - Gregory

[@leapingfury]

I found out about kettlebells two weeks ago. And I watched all the Pavel Tsatsouline videos and took notes. But I heard that's it's also alot of marketing and bs. So I'm trying to educate myself on all this stuff. I think Pavels powerlifting idea of doing 33-66% of the reps you can do but with more sets and resting 10-15 minutes seems great. What I dont understand is why he doesn't really believe in warming up. I wonder how dangerous that is. And I was under the impression the Russian special forces all use psychic abilities, like non-contact fighting. So maybe they don't need to warm up at all.

[@utubepunk]

I get what you're saying about the marketing, but kettlebells likely wouldn't have taken off & become popular here without that marketing. I'd stick to subject matter experts, like Coach Gregory here, Coach Dan John, Pavel, Steve Cotter & Mark Wildman to name a few.

[@shawnbadger2737]

Why do you say he doesn't believe in warming up? If you read his book "Simple & Sinister", he most definitely does advocates a good mobility warmup sequence.

[@grraf1]

What Pavel says stands to reason: go too much into the burn and despite the heavy volume&tension applied to the muscle instead of it starting to look like a bodybuilder's prized possession it starts to look more like a marathon runner's t-rex arms&chicken legs. So while all exercise above a certain threshold(upwards of yoga lol?!) damages the muscles the body can only recover from so much(and if its not done recovering before the next session is initiated then instead of the muscle growing bigger&stronger it starts to shrink instead)

[@kevone-eo6pq]

well said.

[@Alex-qb9fr]

If someone asked me I would say- mostly x and y… but that doesn’t mean it’s all I do

[@claudiucosar]

Pavel is demystified by professor Bart Kay. all about ATP and energy production and multiple metabolic systems are non-sense. it's worth taking a look on that review.

[@FirstLast-dd9ym]

Love Pavel, but I will say if we're talking about the most beneficial movement for humans to do, Idk how you can argue against the deadlift

[@darkclownKellen]

A swing is essentially a deadlift

[@FirstLast-dd9ym]

@@darkclownKellen of course there's some similarities but the differences far out way them in my opinion. Greg even discussed some of them in the video with Dr. Yessir, among other differences

[@jonathanfrost944]

Pavel wrote a book around the deadlift, and competed in the deadlift. But not everyone can do it.

[@WouterDeWitte-i6o]

So you oppose Tsatsouline without having (admittedly) the proper knowledge to oppose him. The level of discourse is off the charts...

[@PropheticCoachTheresa]

Google says Pavel is 54 😆

[@mattm757]

The What The He'll result!!!

[@kevone-eo6pq]

HELL.

[@stevedavis1269]

Perfect. I also watched this and realised how much junk I was listening to online.

[@lebe-stark]

Happens to all of us. lol - Gregory

[@shirtlessviking9225]

swings and swings; kb and mb

[@kevinherlihy9471]

Joe Rogan, ahhhhh…I used to like watching and listening to him until the whole self treatment for COVID thing a few years ago. Hey, he’s got a profitable (very profitable) podcast empire. I just don’t hold every utterance he makes as gospel truth. Entertaining, sometimes. So… there…

[@dizzicz]

Maybe you should think about what and why exactly is disturbing you, that someone is treating himself according to his opinion and not according to your opinion.

[@68Tboy]

@kevinherlihy9471 Looks like you believe the misinformation about Joe. He didn’t do a self treatment, he went to a doctor and was prescribed medicine and recovered in 3 days. How does that make you feel that the media was able to manipulate your thoughts about a person with a lie?

[@kevone-eo6pq]

maybe stop believing everything the tv tells you. covid was the biggest scam ever committed.

[@Lagerfanny-g7e]

Never ask a woman her age.

[@rj5822]

Think Pavel is full of himself

[@turningpointfitness1972]

Hiding age is a woman thing!! First time i have seen a man do that. I think its very funny!!

[@rickdavidonlinept]

I think he might be in his sixties

[@rickdavidonlinept]

Oops he’s 54 😂

[@flyin_chiki]

Nothing is really brutal about this video. I wish you wouldn't have used such a bait term.

[@lebe-stark]

Welcome to KZbin brother! lol - Gregory

[@bobbyhunt3009]

Let me just say u cannot get stronger or bigger muscles swinging a kettlebell even the heaviest one made. If u don't believe me then swing it for a year, 2 years, or 10 years and don't use barbells, dumbbells, machines, or free weights. Take a pic of yourself before u start, after u do it the time frame listed above check and see if your max in any lift got stronger, trust me it did not, then take your after pic and I promise u that u will not be able to tell which pic was your before and which pic was your after. Kettlebells were made for women to use to look cut during their exercising. Ask the biomechanic experts if u still don't believe me. They could be okay for some rehab work but not much. Have u ever seen a person who just uses kettlebells that was strong or big. No u have not!!!!

[@blackthornep8115]

Could you be anymore of a women yourself? You are completely in the wrong and have no idea what strength is. Go back to your simple minded room and do some curls while the intelligent humans learn and grow.

[@HkFinn83]

Bodybuilding is a mind sickness

[@davidlynch9049]

Lol. What nonsense.😂

[@noobynoobytv5853]

Yes I have. Look up Joe Daniels.He is built like a tank. I would agree that barbells will build much more muscle. Yet the Quick and dead protocol Pavel is advertising in the interview is one of the best protocolls I tried out. Turning 49 tomorrow, I have the smallest hands/bone structure a man can have yet I am snatching the 32 kg for 100 reps in a workout( 10x10). I could not snatch the 24 for single digit reps a year ago. Barbell training just got me injured when getting the weights up, due to age. The protocol delvers what it promises>>>building mitochondria. The WTHE is just a bonus. In my case my also cardio went through the roof. It is not about using the Kb only. You could try it with burpees what I do currently- It will make the average Joe (not the elite athlet or bodybuilder...Pavel does not write for them) significantly ....younger in his/her movements and physical ability. Priorities change with age.

[@chrisw5742]

i cant stand Joe Rogan

[@lebe-stark]

I like watching his stuff - with a grain of salt. lol Thanks for sharing Chris! - Gregory

[@chrisw5742]

@@lebe-stark You just dont know what a bad man he is.

[@kevone-eo6pq]

then why are you here??

[@chrisw5742]

@@kevone-eo6pq To be BRUTALLY honest and I am subbed.....

[@chrisw5742]

Rogan is also a shiot talking LIAR.