He Responded And It Didn’t End Well For Him

[@lebe-stark]

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[@drn13355]

People who badmouth kettlebells are totally clueless. Sorry..I am not as nice as Lebe Stark. In 2003 I was a brand new Army LT and stationed in Germany. I met Estonian soldiers who were using kettlebells. Dudes were absolute animals. The taught me the basics and to this day I use them 4-5 days a week to stay in amazing shape.

[@juanpablojuarez1200]

which exercises?

[@LebeStarkJason]

Now I'm curious! What did they do differently from what we see today?

[@stenlassmann]

Greetings from Estonia! Glad to hear this.

[@cantonese5030]

He’s just a hater, a jealous one,,, let him do him and us do us… kettlebell lover here🙏

[@travisratchford3454]

I am 42 and in the best shape of my life because of kettlebells. My cardio is on another level and my back feels great. I am meticulous about my form and stick to the basics. Simplicity, consistency, discipline. Love your channel man. You guys are top notch!

[@simoninanotherdimension]

I'm a 55 year old man who used to be a body builder, weight lifter, power lifter a great many moons ago. I had been doing simple home workouts since about April 2024. Just 2 weeks ago I wanted to increase my workouts a bit and saw the kettle bell being used in some vids. Did some homework on it. Read about it, found your channel, and I've been learning from your vids since. In my short time of working with the KB, aside from temporary mild soreness for a couple of days, I have felt an instant gain in strength , in mobility, and in cardio endurance. I have a lot to learn and with the KB, and I'm excited. Thanks for your channel. I found what I was looking for.

[@lebe-stark]

Thanks for sharing! 💪

[@garymoore3446]

I'm 72 and started kettlebells two yrs ago, and it has changed my whole body! I feel like my core is stronger than it has every been in my life. I enjoy my kettlebells and look forward to working out every day. Ignore this fool....

[@lebe-stark]

72 and going strong! What an inspiration!

[@IronDruids]

I feel that kettlebells have only made me safer from injury. I do swings daily for months at a time and I distinctly notice the rises and dips in core stability. I'm watching this now tired after playing with my nieces and nephews in the snow all day. I feel comfortable picking them up and tossing them into piles of snow despite them weighing anywhere from 30 to 80 pounds BECAUSE of kettlebells and I have the cardio thanks to kettlebells as well to play just as hard as the kids do.

[@RoadTo48KG]

Lebe, you are amazing at what you do. The best piece of wisdom I’ve ever heard from you was something along the lines of the true answer to any health question is “it depends”. But if we lived 100% by that no one could write books and accumulate wisdom. You are the man for always growing and allowing us to grow with you in knowledge

[@janinehechter8396]

You handled this like a true, wise gentleman Gregory. A perfect example of how one conducts an intellectual conversation / argument. Well done! Many influencers should watch this and learn! And yes, Kettlebells are a phenomenal form of exercise. It has basically eradicated my perimenopausal aches & pains. Keep up the good work! 👍

[@alexikilikian248]

Kettlebells are the best tool for whole body strength training, hands down! Thank you for promoting the training and art of kettlebells!

[@LebeStarkJason]

Bro had a real opportunity and wasted it.

[@kevinmccauley3877]

Wow man! You display grace and mercy while holding strong and assertive. Very well done,! I started following you back last October. I can not afford coaching But The kettle bells really worked for me talking about being efficient. I have tread mills and ellipticals so the Kettle bells for me combined it and it was going great. Even made few videos in the Dojo. Then i tore up my shoulder ugh. It was bad man. Not the kettlebells fault I got too cocky with the weight. It has taken me months to get back. My shoulder is still not 100 percent but my form is better and still using them at the Local Gym. Just wanted to say that to say this. The way you handled that was just beautiful. Thanks for all the free stuff you put out too! Thanks to you and Angie! You are so right about how people engage on the Socialist media. Like when they guy answered Physics... LoL! One words answers are the attempt to shut down the debate and declare ones self the winner so they can continue in their own personal bubbles of delusion. Nice Job Sir!!! real nice... Thanks Again! Then when they say "praying for you" oh man that is the back hand of fellowship...hehehehe

[@lebe-stark]

I’m glad you’re back in the game after such a tough setback brother! Thanks for sharing! 💪

[@cherylswaby7650]

Hi Gregory's, well well well. I take my hat off to you for the way you analysed and then put your points across in response to his video. You are clearly not a dude that is of low IQ. I respect the fact that you are open to debate backed by logic and welcome any evidence that supports the arguments in the effort to keep growing and keep learning. Keep doing the great stuff you do ...we are all here for it.

[@MrWolf__]

The kettlebell is an amazing tool.. When I, m not using mine it does an amazing job it does an amazing job of keeping a door shut!.. Personally I think he is jealous of you well trimmed beard and great hair I know I am.. 😎.. Keep up the good work I just downloaded your over 40 download.. Thank you

[@turningpointfitness1972]

very nicely explained coach!!! been doing KBs for little more than 5 years, i have gotten better and every time i watch you or other experts like Dennis, i learn more. Just the other day, i got better at doing snatches following your suggestion ( remember the video on how to hold the KBs? ). well i tried couple of times for few days. i could never to 100 snatches without ripping off skin from my palm. this time i did 150 using 18 kgs, NO PROBLEMO!!! no peel off. i had to regress the weight to get better, more efficient!!! thank you coach!!!!

[@lebe-stark]

Glad you’re making progress! 🔥

[@osdguone]

well done! you did a great job to explain everything very clearly and in a calm way, that's also a great skill -to stay calm in every situation.

[@lebe-stark]

Appreciate that, thank you. It's part of the training, you know, to maintain your cool under pressure. Unfortunately, it doesn't happen all the time though. LOL

[@stramonine]

Kettlebells are the best!!! I have never felt stronger or in better shape, My joints don't hurt my cardio has improved by an amazing amount. I feel like a 25 year old again, so much that I am going to start playing softball again, I thought those days were behind me. Thanks Gregory for all the videos and educating us all on proper use.

[@cultofhercules]

Kettlebells give you the most effective training for general physical preparedness (GPP). Bodybuilding fills a specific niche within fitness. Nine out of ten people who work most of their daily life need a cheap, reliable, time-efficient way to keep their shape. Doing 10 minutes of two-handed kettlebell swings five days a week will improve your skeletal structure, your cardiovascular health, your hip strength, improved grip, etc.. etc.. I totally agree with you that this is the way most people should train. IMO the bodybuilding community is overreaching their judgement about something they have zero experience with and never bothered to learn from all those 'science-based' lifting papers (as if they are commonly credible) by applying it to a new tool. Living in a closed world where only dumbells barbells and cables exist. "Every man should bench his weight" some say that and I couldn't disagree more. Every man should have the ability to stand up straight, which is exactly what kettlebells does for the body. Keep doing what you're doing, I will support you soon!

[@cocovasquez1]

And that’s why Lebestark is my Coach for life!!!! 💪🏼

[@zplitterz]

100% Without peer reviews, in any industry full of charismatic guru salesman. Open public conversations with respectful criticism and information sharing is important. Anyone against that seems to lean towards manipulation in the shadows or too insecure to grow.

[@_Zane__]

"Jumping is bad! Physics!"

[@lebe-stark]

LOL

[@ianbrett3276]

I hope he finally understands what you are trying to explain to him and he takes up the kettlebell fully for at least one month so he can see the results for himself.

[@jeffnelson2924]

The operative phrase of the discussion is in the into "if you're over forty .." you generally have gained enough experience to hold two intellectual ideas at once as possible and valid...in essence give zero shits about arguing

[@trevorlee6303]

Very well done sir. Agree 💯 with you brother.

[@KarlAfterBurnett]

His response was the most passive aggressive thing I have ever seen. I'm not sure what his problem is but he doesn't like being wrong. At no point did you "attack" him, as he said, you just pointed out where he was wrong. It was such a weird response. He's super arrogant. Not gonna build a following for his channel the way he comes across. I've just started out with kettlebells, BTW. I need to lose weight and it suits my lifestyle. The main thing is I can work out in a tiny space. Your vids have helped me a LOT!!! I LOVE kettlebells - they give me a full body pump like nothing else.

[@lebe-stark]

Passive-aggressiveness - that’s the exact word I was looking for to describe his response! Thanks!

[@jonathan0cherjw]

I started my KB journey proper a little over a year ago and I must say it's been a revelation. I had no trainers and I could see in the gyms I go to that the PTs there had no clue about proper form or function of training with KBs. And so I researched on my own where I watched this channel and Mark Wildman and perfected my technique. It has strengthened my core and has eliminated incidences of me pulling a muscles in my back which was very frequent before this. I love Kettlebells. What can I say?

[@lebe-stark]

Glad it’s working out for you! 💪

[@evilryutaropro]

Any free weight (barbell kettlebell dumbbell) or bodyweight exercise is more or less going to be awesome. Idk why people get all uppity about it. Machines are the things that you can take them or leave them.

[@daviddevilliers2828]

7:13 new study says fast movement is equally effective as slow movement for the physic ( Michael gundil, Fred delavier), sorry for my English language

[@kylehowe1717]

This question is unrelated to the guy dismissing kettlebell. However, I'm in the process of training for strong first level 1 certification with kettlebell. Currently I have two 16kg, a 20kg, and a 24 kg. I've worked the armor building complex, that complex your buddy Levi spoke of. I'm no stranger to any of the basic since I've been using kettlebell for going on 8 years. But I'm definitely interested in hearing any ideas you have.

[@johnfreeman1272]

Someone is going to pull Steve Maxwell into this fray....get your popcorn 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿

[@lebe-stark]

I've reached out to Steve Maxwell twice to have him on the podcast. Unfortunately, I've never heard back but I'll keep trying. lol

[@kevinotoole885]

I started using kettlebells when I was doing martial arts. I love them and have ever since the first day. Just wanted to say, it’s easier to take no notice of what other people think, let them. Everyone’s entitled to an opinion no matter how shit or stupid they are.

[@joachimjernander7455]

Questioning to understand or to explore various options it always good. It is an attempt to gain knowledge it is up to the individual to evaluate that knowledge

[@verablack3137]

I have no doubts kettlebells are less safe than a machine, but compared to dumbbells and barbells? It seems it has to be pretty similar and no one is avoiding those. I only use kettlebells for swings but like, I have never felt unsafe doing them

[@H33t3Speaks]

I had to tune out when I was arguing with him and he said that swimming and running are not physiologically related exercises as in gains in one are not related to gains in another. When I pointed out that literally those two things are defining features of our species and there correlated performance gains have been noted for at least two hundred years (or, actually forever but I was trying to work with small numbers) he just deflected and moved on to another revelation. You cannot argue with this level of stupidity, it will bring you down to that level and beat you with experience. There, I’ve finally said it. You broke me coach. 😂

[@jeffnelson2924]

About 3 months into watching your videos and using them consistently at least 3 to 4 days per week. I liked doing the goblet squats but find my knees are more sensitive before I'm satisfied with the number of reps on the squat. Are there alternatives that are easier on the knees?... Thank you for your efforts and videos

[@RycRac-q4l]

Coach, could you help us a little bit with weekly programing ? And days-on/ days-off along a week of training ? Thanks a MILLION ! Best regards from France. Osu !

[@sundasport]

Haven't Olympic lifted since 2018. Walked up to the platform to power clean 3 weeks ago and hit 260 lb, just barely missing 265. That doesn't beat my weightlifting pr but it beats my crossfit pr from 2017 by 15 lbs. I did not see that coming at 47 yo with no recently barbell work and a lot of power clean technique rust. I've been about 80% weights and 20% calisthenics these last several years. Mostly in pairs 2x4 kg to 2x48 kg. All kettlebells. Why woudl you even talk to someone who nicknames himself the fit philosopher lmaoo. You're a GS competitor now bro, these clowns should be beneath you. Just my opinion. -Ryan in Philly USA

[@mrbloby15]

Dam gregory never seen you so serious angry dad vibes iam sorry i didn't do my homework ! Only joking your an inspiration your willing ness to listen and change your path or try different modes of training then decide is inspiring keep been you your amazing looking forward to the next podcast 😁

[@paladinloh]

Seems like people are obssessed with slow and control movement those days. I train over 20 years now and i use kettlebells, heavy barbell cleans, sprinting, high jumping and a lot of other explosive excercises. I tried bodybuilding routine as well but i found it boring and my body felt stiff and less athlethic so i switched back. "Ballistic" training always felt more natural to me.

[@nfrantnik]

I prefer to be lean fast and strong then pumped up and slow, kettlebells help me to accomplish my goals. 🥊

[@lebe-stark]

And if we look at Levi Markwardt, we can still build some solid muscle in the end!

[@brucehelppie6119]

i think you're very knowledgeable about kettlebell training. you show that with your videos and the success of your channel. in defense of the guy debating with you, i think it's a natural response for somebody to defend their livelihood. i disagree with your point that he is arrogant for saying that. he also mentioned that pavel has severe shoulder issues, presumably from his kettlebell training. i don't know if that is fact or fiction, but it sounds reasonable to me. and, pavel is pretty much who outsiders like me identify with kettlebell training. so, incorporating pavel into his argument might make people question this mode of training. i did watch the other guy's first video, but not his response back to you. i wrenched my back doing kettlebell swings, so i stopped doing them, but i also do bodyweight training. kettlebells are not off my menu for future training, i am open to the idea that my form wasn't particularly good, or that as a beginner i was doing too much volume. people that like kettlebells and your channel are probably not going to abandon either.

[@Dundertaker1]

I had a Personal Trainer tell me, "Kettlebells are terrible for you...." full stop...and when I asked why, "Ballistics" was the only thing he could reply with...and those of us who use them know that is the best part. :) You obviously can hurt yourself with any fitness program when you go too aggressive too fast or have poor form. Recently, I had my annual physical, and my Dr. told me Pickel ball and Crossfit are way over HALF his sports injuries right now for anyone over 40. Pickel Ball specifically because people who do not have a good level of GPP are tearing themselves apart with lateral movements they are not conditioned for. Crossfit because they have poor form and attempt to "push" past exhaustion and break form or overtrain. He discussed WEIRD injuries like Latissiumus Dorsi/Serratus muscles and shoulder tears from "Kipping" pull-ups as very common.

[@lebe-stark]

I have never heard of Pickle Ball! Thanks for broadening my horizon of sports!

[@jamesdspaderf2883]

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of endorsements online extolling the virtues and massive benefits from physical culturists, engaged in the KB execution and practice. It is an embarrassment of riches for the pro-KB workouts. What is required, from this gentleman it is this: park your ego and engage in a meaningful, educated (not opinonated) exchange of information.

[@grandkaiaki]

He is projecting. Whenever people come straight for your neck like that... Saying "oh your just trying to protect your business"(example) they are just trying to defend themselves from the previous points they think they made and thought it was all 100% valid points. This isn't something to take lightly. Yet people still have a perception that is incapable of recognizing.

[@swoosh2835]

People are scared of things they don’t understand. This dude probably thinks he can use kettlebells interchangeably with dumbbells. Bless his little heart. At the end of the day I’m glad I can get quick workouts in and stay athletic and fit in my 40s with kettlebells. Bless that guy though, he’s going through his life not only ignorant but refusing free education from a top G. It can’t be easy.

[@lebe-stark]

Discussing opposing opinions moves the ball forward. Thanks for sharing! 💪

[@oldnatty61]

I want to commend you for being willing to truly discuss opposing opinions. I'm amazed at how butt hurt most people get if you offer a different opinion. How are we to learn, grow, develop a body of knowledge if we don't discuss? I've watched the vid you put up of this guy, and he's clueless. Plus no middle aged white dude w/ thinning hair should have both ears pierced. The only problem the kettlebell has is the myth that Du Cane and Tsatsouline created when resurrecting it that's the only tool that can do what it does and it's elevated cost.

[@DK_365]

I watched a few other videos by this guy and it hurt my head. He clearly has no idea what he's talking about and is just regurgitating. He'll never learn anything until he is able to find some humility. Edit: Gregory you make a good point about changing your mind. Changing your mind is the smart a d mature thing to do when presented with new information. I work in a science field and have seen many things change over my career because we've learned new things.

[@lebe-stark]

Thanks for sharing! 💪 What science field are you working in? Curiously interested!

[@DK_365]

@lebe-stark Emergency Medicine. I'm not doing research myself but I'm at an academic hospital and there are studies of all kinds running at a given moment.

[@thejacobanderson1]

You skimmed over an interesting bit of info regarding physics. Is there anything about what the force generated by a kettlebell is equivalent to in weight? Like a 16kg is always that weight but when you swing it gravity is making it feel way heavier. Just curious and thank you for the videos.

[@viktoria.p.777]

It depends on the force you produce in your hips and the velocity of the kettle bell going up. Going down would be the same, because you only drop the kettle bell down. There you can use the equation of a simple fall downwards. Swinging with a 16 kg after a 24kg is easy and you can see that you swing much faster, because you use the same force (produced by your hips) in order to swing less mass (16 kg instead of 24). Less weight results in an increase in velocity. Your body has the level and is trained to produce that impulse. So when you swing: the velocity increases and the mass multiplied by the increased velocity is greater. Means the impulse is greater. Impulse is mass multiplied by velocity. When you start with a heavier kettle bell, you swing much slower, because you can't produce the same impulse. Better said, you need much more power in order to make the kettle bell swing with a greater speed. Gravity downwards doesn't make the kettle bell heavier. It's your hinging of the hips towards the horizontal. You produce force to overcome gravity so that the bell starts swinging. You feel the force in your hands. That is the moment when the kettle bell feels much heavier than it really is. Until it arrives at the highest point and doesn't feel heavy at all and then drops down. Before it drops down there is a moment when the bell pulls you still a little bit forward. This is the rest of the impulse. But at the highest point the bell has zero velocity and zero impulse. Then it drops down. And you can use the impulse of the kettle bell when it comes down, it's called Russias hinge, where you don't stop the move abruptly, but make a hinge backwards with your hip and redirect the bell in the opposite swing up towards your center. The answer depends on many things.

[@thejacobanderson1]

Thank you!

[@spartancrown]

I would take it further, the body doesn't only know weight, it knows resistance.

[@lebe-stark]

Great observation! I’ve been leaning toward the same approach lately, trying to make a conscious effort to use "resistance training" instead of "strength training" when it’s more fitting. Good call!

[@spartancrown]

@@lebe-stark I just remember when I was using bands to start getting back some strength and mobility before moving on to weights and kettlebells my muscles we still getting sore and I was noticing change.

[@DaNjettie]

As a 50 year old male I think you should just ignore this guy. Before I started using kettlebells I was looking at kettlebell exercises on YT and I was thinking the same as this dude but only because I had not tried kettlebells yet and had no knowledge. I started carefully and with relatively low weights and I found out it was intense (HITT) and gave me benefits after a couple of weeks (have bad joints) and had no injuries at all. There were some exercises that were not working for me but that was obvious at the first tried and I quit doing them. The claim about fast movements are really bullshit. I must say the fast exercises gave me the least discomfort and were a good HITT training. I think this guys is only posting videos like this to get into the picture to boost his channel! Next time, please ignore ppl like this.

[@AngieZZofficial]

Guapa❤

[@LebeStarkJason]

Guapa had that time booked for her podcast! #TeamLebeBark

[@requiscatinpace7392]

KBs have been around a long time for a reason.

[@utubepunk]

What's weird is he fancies himself a philosopher, replies with 14 YO edge lord level arguments. Physics, bruh. Okay, bud. 🙄

[@guseletov]

Well, I am not as nice as Gregory , and going to say - I hate when people drag the religion into discussion on a everyday debate. No, please ..don't pray for me. Better use brains and have an actual discussion! Thank you for the video !

[@lebe-stark]

I believe in the power of prayer… applied in the proper situation.

[@guseletov]

@@lebe-stark I wish, more people will be that understanding. Once more - thank you !

[@ralphnevill6171]

Saw this video a couple of days ago and the guy is a total whiner. Seriously Gregory I wish you would spend more time doing your Kettlebell Knights with guys like Levishardtokill. I have religiously watched every video Levi has posted since your KK video. Keep up the good work! 👍

[@lebe-stark]

Levi will hopefully return to the pod in February 2025. On the other hand, it's always good to listen to arguments that try to falsify our approach. This is how we sharpen the blade to move closer to the truth.

[@darrinpatterson7392]

All of your clients, subscribers, and everyone who follows your channel and Miss Angie's, know that all of his arguments wouldn't cause anyone who is using kettlebells to go along with what he says. He seems to have only baseless arguments and doesn't give enough valid information or anything backed up with objective facts.

[@guyblew1733]

Excellent video.

[@lebe-stark]

Thanks for watching! 💪

[@Justpier3d]

You are fool and got destoryed handedly by Lebe Stark.

[@davidlynch9049]

Yes, doesn't sound like the dude knows what he's talking about.🙄🤷🏻

[@Pooh0Bear8]

Drama! & The opposition is getting more subscribers out of it.

[@lebe-stark]

That's fine. People should flock towards what they believe - even if they're misguided. There's always a grace period to learn something new. 💙

[@pnklufa]

The difference between your style of debate and his style of debate is simple: Evidence-based arguments vs. Emotionally-charged, vague arguments. The wisest king on earth documented in the bible what happens when you argue with a fool - Proverbs 26:4. You did what that 3rd party subscriber asked you to do and now it's time to C&P that regurgitated nonsense. 😉

[@rashedusman9717]

No offence, but trying to have productive conversations with imature people is a waste of time.

[@bastikickl3828]

Der will doch nur irgendwie Reichweite bekommen ! Reine Zeitverschwendung der Typ.

[@lebe-stark]

Auf der anderen Seite gibt es Material für die "Content-Mühle" und ein Lerneffekt für Anfänger.

[@FitPhilosopher]

Wow my 15 minutes of fame just got pushed to 20! Thanks so much brother!! All jokes aside -- I'm still praying for you...I pray you have the openness to look at things from a different perspective. It seems like you might have something going on in your life personally and I'm hoping the best for you.

[@lebe-stark]

Rather than responding with solid arguments, you’re acting like a psychotherapist, conflating logical debate with emotional analysis. Deflecting paired with arrogance is a deadly combination.

[@FitPhilosopher]

Even if I (or anyone else for that matter) did make a good point, would it change your mind about kettlebells? Judging by my interactions with you, I’d guess no…so what’s the use? Take care man and I wish you the best for your channel, your business, and your life. Stay strong 💪

[@lebe-stark]

I've heard good and convincing arguments about kettlebell training-both pros and cons-that have completely shifted my perspective. The key words here are *good and convincing*, and that’s where all of your arguments fall short.

[@FitPhilosopher]

Completely shifted your perspective?

[@lebe-stark]

Yes, I've changed my mind about many things-take the Turkish Get-Up, for example-even though my stance has faced significant opposition. The same applies to other training philosophies, which would take too long to explain here. In short, I’m always eager to learn and willing to adapt my views. However, I’ve built enough expertise to critically analyze and dismantle weak arguments like yours.

[@jax_gilly]

Lebe u make my head hurt, in order to look like Dorian Yates or like most body builders you need to be on a massive amount of steroids. You sound like Kamala Harris with your word salads!

[@lebe-stark]

Dorian was just an example but It seems you missed 7:57.