Ladybird Web Browser Developer Attacked by Unhinged, Dishonest Activists

[@hburke7799]

when do we stop calling it activism and start calling it maybe... bigotry? slander? hate?

[@Br1cht]

”Hate”? Are you ill?

[@pixelforg]

​​@@Br1chtthose mfs are also full of hate lol, ive never met a sane TRA, they are just full of hate

[@Christobanistan]

Crybullyism

[@shaunpatrick8345]

​@@Br1chtit's one of their prime motivations.

[@TomisaburoRMizugawa]

Deliberate crime?

[@kerry7932]

"Let's make an open source web browser." "You are literally Hitler."

[@freedustin]

"Whoever smelt it, dealt it."

[@cw-on-yt]

Isn't it amazing how people who stand out for being useful to the world, in various ways, are "literally Hitler" as soon as they... (a.) lack social graces in one way or another, and, (b.) fail to -offer incense to the emperor- recite the shibboleths of fascistic cultural vandals

[@0x54n4]

Sure. Because this is literally what your imaginary friend said?

[@overclucker]

@@0x54n4 It's never a good thing when your imaginary friends get literal.

[@PyVerse-47]

@@0x54n4 whomp whomp fa****

[@freedustin]

Anti-competitive defamation. Not activism.

[@SlightlyTechnical]

these activists need to be sued into poverty

[@w3w3w3]

"Purely technical project" means no unhinged weirdo people or DEI people will get a job there or be working on the project.... which is why they did this to that project lol. Based Ladybird if you ask me.

[@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC]

@@w3w3w3 Which is a large part of why it's so hard to find a trustworthy browser. It's hard to trust a product created by people ruled by dishonesty and conflicts of interest.

[@Christobanistan]

That's pretty much all of trans activism these days.

[@Chris-on5bt]

Glad I am not the only person that thought this.

[@Endelin]

Andreas Kling is one of the most humble and chill dudes. These freaks are insane.

[@emperorarasaka]

Seemingly a great dude. I've followed Serenity OS from the very start and it's amazing how far he has come.

[@shizeeque]

"Hello, Friends!" © Andreas Kling

[@cocusar]

even the basis of serenity os are extremely humble, and he seems to be a really good person. he doesn't deserve any of this, nor anyone commiting code to the project!

[@0x54n4]

Freaks? Insane? Interesting choice of words

[@Endelin]

@@0x54n4 "Interesting choice of words" predictably vague and cowardly choice of words.

[@srobart]

Transphobia? Misogyny? Where do I donate? Usually people who are accused of those things are the best people.

[@theloststarbounder]

I prefer to defend the code by archiving what's here already and join the development. Money won't fix this issue, this war is fought using the keyboard and the coding skills.

[@0x54n4]

Only if you're a transphobe and/or misogynist yourself. Which I'm sure you are

[@darwinjackson3560]

yikes

[@Bomberman66Hell]

​@@darwinjackson3560Erm yikes pal! Bigotry much?

[@stebeusmusic]

Nice flag bro

[@firstow]

Didn't care much about the ladybird project but I must donate! Go and support devs!

[@0x54n4]

So you care more about projects with antisocial devs? Nice

[@firstow]

​​@@0x54n4exactly why do you think devs are antisocial? I've been following Serenity project for many years. I can say right now: the devs are professional.

[@duckmeat4674]

​@@0x54n4unironically yes

[@ChannelCustomization.]

@@0x54n4 what

[@strtale]

🤣​@@0x54n4

[@MarkSeve]

Well, I'll be supporting Ladybird with my economic vote. These are the same people who didn't like us "shoving our religion down their throat", now they are "shoving their religion down our throats". No thanks cafkafk, but thanks for sharing. I appreciate what you do Bryan.

[@w3w3w3]

"Purely technical project" means no unhinged weirdo people or DEI people will get a job there or be working on the project.... which is why they did this to that project lol. Based Ladybird if you ask me.

[@kevalan1042]

would almost make sense to add this as a clause to an OSS licence tbh

[@evilJazz1]

Unfollowed OSNews and deleted the bookmark. The site has been sh*t for years and this takes the cake. What is this toxic garbage?

[@shaurz]

Thom Holwerda is a woke buffoon. It's never been the same since Eugenia left.

[@Leonard_MT]

Shame, OSNews was a very interesting website.

[@andimachovec2719]

Reacting to somebody that`s overreacting and exaggerating by overreacting and exaggerating. Interesting concept.

[@phoneywheeze]

​@@andimachovec2719it's not as much overreacting if the site the person bookmarked for no longer serves the purpose it used to

[@davekendall5273]

It's a shame as OSNews used to host some interesting content. It looks like it's mainly just Thom's project now, and other regular contributors have left since I read it regularly. The quantity and diversity of articles is tiny compared with how it was in its heyday. At one point there certainly were some right/libertarian leaning contributors who had (non-political) articles on OSNews. I remember seeing some regulars pushing back in the comment section when Thom started posting about his political views, and at the time (2016 or so) he was capable of having a discussion without deleting them and banning people.

[@J.erem.y]

This is exactly what all the "conspiracy theorists" were warning about when they were disregarded. Now, we face the repercussions of a college educated useless person who just wants to tell you what to do.

[@atticusherodes6648]

now i wonder should we be angry that we were right, ot should we be happy that we were 100 percent right.

[@ChrisKhaled83]

"conspiracy theorists" Damn I hate that shitty term. Especially when All those people were right, It turned out to be true unfortunately.

[@grainincidentallyyew]

@@ChrisKhaled83 Stop calling them that, then. Call them what they really are: whistleblowers.

[@sohlasattelite]

@@atticusherodes6648 i would rather be wrong and realize i was the nah-zee they were calling me all along

[@asandax6]

​@@grainincidentallyyew They used to be called prophets but I guess that word now has religious canotations

[@gargamel3478]

I always name my main branch 'master' just to make the activists angry. Haha

[@MrWorshipMe]

Take it one step further - rename the entry point function from main to master.

[@logangraham2956]

@@MrWorshipMe and make 2 namespaces. 'safe_space' and just leave the namespace empty. 'not_safe_space' and put all your code in there.

[@chiffxyz]

I find it sad given the word was chosen based on studio production recording with the master to mean the primary copy to use for distribution. I have always stayed with master as homage to that bit of history.

[@logangraham2956]

@@chiffxyz it also has roots in hard drives.

[@mickmoon6887]

that easily filters these fake activists modern information needs filtering aka gatekeeping

[@Ejioplex]

The part about the branch being called "master" somehow encouraging slavery was on the edge of being a conspiracy theory (and also gave me a laugh)

[@muhdiversity7409]

I worked for a large corp where we got sent a mail that claimed that the language was unacceptable and needs to be changed. My team never changed the repo names even in the face of developers being threatened with disciplinary action. The world is full of absolutely unhinged totalitarian sickos.

[@Caellyan]

It's purely a conspiracy theory. New projects should ideally be using "trunk" or "main" out of sensibility, but if you've got an old project with as many contributors, switching the root branch name is not as convenient as it is for small/new projects. Now, even that sensibility is in good faith, because Linus wasn't thinking about slavery while making git in the first place.

[@retronoby]

The real slavery that happens today, happens in war-torn countries where lithium and tantalum is mined and in china where it is refined along with all the other things that the eco-fanatics demands that we buy in huge quantities. Real slavery is a horrible thing and it’s promoted by those that call good evil and evil good, like those that attack open source projects with false accusations.

[@GackFinder]

@@Caellyan No. New projects should, for good reasons, use "master". I always rename any default "main" or "trunk" to "master".

[@ForeverZer0]

@@GackFinder In your git config file (i.e. ~/.config/git/config), add these lines: [init] defaultBranch = master Every repo you init will automatically use that name, just like it always used to.

[@milohoffman274]

History shows, do not give them an inch or they will take over the and destroy the entire project.

[@tbarnum6315]

Like the recent NixOS debacle... oh just got to that point in this vid. And not giving an inch includes not just not apologizing, not just debunking, but ridiculing, and when legal boundaries are crossed (doxing, libel etc), suing.

[@spht9ng]

Keep all kinds of political activism out of tech PLEASE. Do not give into radicals

[@CommodoreFan64]

Yep this nearly happened with Solus Linux not too long back, which is one of my favorite easy to use because it works distros that I've made a lot of new Linux users with, and this happened because the former lead developer was trans, and wanted all the power to themselves with only them having access to the main repos, Then most of the team that was part of the project left, then she/they/whatever had a nervous breakdown causing software syncs to not happen, packages to break, etc., and the former team stepped back in, and she/they/whatever thankfully in a rather peaceful transition handed the reins over, and Solus is now in a much better place than it ever has been, so no we can't give these broken people an inch, & that's what Josh Strobl, & his team did by letting the former lead developer of Solus find out they can't control everything with their ideology, and misguided power grabs that don't line up with the overwhelmingly vast majority of society.

[@luizmonad777]

@@spht9ng they say there's no neutrality, fine, we're pro-western civilization !!!

[@0x54n4]

Somebody doesn't even know what history is

[@lifelover69]

thanks for very thorough reporting of these issues. it is disappointing to see great people and projects get bombarded by a hateful political mob whose only goal is to destroy something they could never achieve themselves.

[@_MasterLink_]

The irony is that all of their attempt to smear the browser, has coaxed me into trying it out.

[@robotron1236]

This. Now I want to try it. I never even knew it existed. I don’t normally donate, but I’ll throw them a couple bucks.

[@devyn7853]

They don't seem to understand The Streisand Effect, or human nature in general, do they?

[@blindedjourneyman]

So, how good is it, thinking bout it too!

[@robotron1236]

@@blindedjourneyman I absolutely LOVE Manjaro; I honestly only use arch as a flex. Manjaro is the best all around Linux distribution out there in my honest opinion.

[@Darker7]

@@blindedjourneyman On their website they say "We are targeting a first Alpha release for early adopters in 2026." so probably very patchy :Ü™

[@raul0ca]

It would be good to follow the $$$ trail of the activists

[@77wolfblade]

@@marco31 I was thinking Google at first but you might be right.

[@camarade42]

Soros?

[@raul0ca]

@@marco31 That's a religion that happens to make a web browser

[@balsalmalberto8086]

Probably Geopolitical army of trolls. Just reeks of absurd behavior.

[@muhdiversity7409]

Sounds like either Microsoft or Google.

[@light-gray]

Mastodon somehow became worse than twitter.

[@bren42069]

Always has been

[@Sypaka]

And I thought Twitter was toxic.

[@solidhyrax]

No one to ban them, so they're free to be unhinged. I'll be free to call them slurs in return.

[@ChrisKhaled83]

Im Sad that Mastodon is full of those Activists.

[@solidhyrax]

@@ChrisKhaled83 Mastodon is not 1 site.

[@msg270]

Now i absolutely cannot wait for ladybird to be released. I’m totally using it and I want to contribute

[@thenexxuz]

this actually makes me want to contribute code to Ladybird

[@CommodoreFan64]

Thank you for saying it, as yes I was one of those tech geeks in the 80's, and 90's living in a small town(still do) that got picked on regularly for owning, and knowing how to use computers, but I had very few friends that were true tech geeks like myself, so it was indeed a struggle. So yes I feel software should be free of politics, and ideologies. Also I've worked for a non profit for almost 20 years, and we don't care where someone sticks their junk(as long as it's legal), or their political views(long as it's all legal), but you follow our dress code of looking like a normal human, act like a normal person, and you leave your BS at home, or you can hit the bricks, and again this should apply to software projects as well, & don't give these broken people an inch, or they will take a mile, & ruin it for all of us!! ✌

[@NeilMoore]

His crime was not conceding to the unhinged lunatics

[@TheHelvetican]

It was just a grammar nazi, not a lefty.

[@NerveFlux]

I bring up this apprenticeship I survived a lot for many reasons. One of which just so happened to be hearing that there was a cult of trans activists sabotaging people. I thought it was ridiculous really. I heard those people just want to be accepted. Why would they sabotage anyone for any reason? Well believe it or not my apprenticeship ended because of a gay foreman that could not do his job properly. But he can sexually harass apprentices because as they told me he 'has his privileges'. So what did I sign up for? I guess I am just coping with surviving by this point. I was told it was a DEI engineer with the city that nearly got us workers killed. Timeline I am referring to about 2010. Never would of believed how things like this are just out in the open now. Anyway, if something fishy is going on. That's the input I got from my perspective. I can't walk on my leg or I would be walking instead of ranting... Ok be well. Good luck humans.

[@asandax6]

​@@TheHelvetican The van diagram of both those categories has giant overlap.

[@freedustin]

They are not unhinged or lunatics. They are very organized, and scientific in their manipulations. And so far it is all going according to their plan. There are zero signs that they are losing influence or power or money.

[@IparIzar]

@@freedustin seeing how the right wing is rising so fast everywhere, you are mistaken.

[@suntoryjim]

Clueless "activists" still don't know how the Internet works. Streisand effect officially activated.

[@MagicManICT]

We'll see. That effect takes something small and blows it up into everyone's knowledge. This story might make a ripple, might even make some waves, but probably not a tsunami of interest.

[@detto1998]

I'm pretty sure they were paid by google somehow to do this.

[@camarade42]

Those people are ruining all FOSS projects one after one, how to resist without being cancelled?

[@freedustin]

Fork it. Repeatedly. A million clones of freedom.

[@camarade42]

@@marco31 I'm not Soros funding to dive in that fight.

[@survivor303]

Guns

[@asandax6]

Just ignore them they go away once they get bored or find something else. You see the thing they seek is attention reacting to them in any capacity is why they keep doing this they get a kick out people who respond to them.

[@MisterDevel]

Just ignore them. Their threats have no merit.

[@MietoK]

Luckily my natural language is already neutral. And if somebody start to complain on how I speak english I just switch to finnish and listener can translate it on their preferred way. Everybody is happy then :) Oh, and back in my IRC days there were a term for these kind of people of use to complain on how people write. "grammar nazi" :D

[@woldemunster9244]

On kyllä surkuhupaisaa menoa ollut viime vuosikymmen... Pitäis varmaan kertoa kuinka uskomaton transu-utopia Suomi on, täällä kukaan ei voi kokea pronomini-syrjintää. ROFLMAO + kek

[@robertaldridge6604]

This is what happens when society rewards narcissism.

[@NerveFlux]

Yeah. I remember when protestors tried to convince an apprenticeship class I was in that construction was and is racist and if we did not quit and join the protest, we were supporters of oppression by choosing to go to work and graduate. Many tires were flat in the parking lot that day. Can't I just do my job and pay the bills? How dare I!

[@skilletpan5674]

The protesters want a few things. 1. They want you to stop thinking for yourself and want you to just blindly go along with their demands. 2. They are authoritarians. So when you want to do something for yourself they don't like that. 3. You learning a skill so you can support your future is going against the reliance on their group. You should need them and learning a skill prevents that from happening. 4. Wanting to eat and save for your future is fascism. 5. Not giving them support (taxes/donations/loyalty) is also fascism. The protesters that act this way are all the crazy marxists that are the worst leeches in society. They add no value and are actually a drain.

[@NerveFlux]

@@skilletpan5674 The day I realized that I thought I could navigate my way and graduate. But instead I got so sick by the end of my apprenticeship, I ended up in the hospital without the healthcare I needed for further treatment. I had a lot of time to think about how crazy it all sounds. That something like that could even possibly spread into a technical institution like that. Now only a few years later having survived much of it, here we are chatting about it continuing not as just anon posts but anon protestors behind masks. None of those apprentices were allowed the masks in class. I agreed to not record things on my phone for the job security but I do remember some of those protestors did record video after they were told not to record anything. It was such a crazy experience for lack of a better word that my posts on the topic are me just trying o find reason in the unreasonable until my time is done. I got so sick I even expected protestors poisoned us, but that job had many toxic hazards. I feel like I am grabbing at straws for answers. I asked a 'professional member' about it all and he said to me as someone who was supposed to guide me 'the less you know about it all the better'. Hmm ok

[@hansdietrich1496]

This just proves, how important Ladybird is.

[@cybernit3]

I like how the author states we are serious and just want to focus on the project technically. Not talking politics/religion; that can be done elsewhere. I see no problem with that. Maybe someone is just doing this to bother/upset the Ladybird author/team as a prank to get people going.

[@Netist_]

The activists don't actually care either. They're not genuinely upset. They simply look for any reason they can find to subvert and assert control.

[@cybernit3]

@@Netist_ This is conspiracy thinking but you never know maybe some other web engine author is concerned over a web engine development. I respect that someone else is trying to create an alternative web engine. I wish therre was more alternatives to Nvidia gpus; since they are starting to have a monopoly.

[@Netist_]

@@cybernit3 It's not some crackpot theory. Most of these people are openly communist. They have hammers and sickles in their usernames. If you've read any communist literature, you would know that this is textbook communist MO.

[@CrucialFlowResearch]

It's obviously microsoft and google attacking these projects

[@CTimmerman]

@@cybernit3 If AMD had more stable drivers and logical card names, it'd be easier to switch from Nvidia. I'm currently using a 1660, which is the 16th generation and runs about 60% of the latest games at max settings.

[@Joetorres3]

I make sure that every repository in my GitHub has a master branch.

[@Sypaka]

It has that automatically.

[@shallex5744]

@@Sypaka i thought it had main

[@yellingintothewind]

The modern Shiboleet.

[@Multrakiller]

There's also Master servers and "slave" servers for redundancy layers. I wonder what they think about that.

[@ChrisKhaled83]

Stupid activists dont know how git works.

[@TheNoirKamui]

I hope the ladybird founders have expected this. It would be very dumb to not prepare for this, when you make a browser that is not yet compromised.

[@KnutBluetooth]

Exactly.

[@necuz]

I've been using Linux since 2002 and this is the first I hear of OSNews.

[@tyrgoossens]

By that point it was already over its peak popularity, and that's around the time when the original editor left and things got handed over to the guy who's still running it now. It was fairly popular at one point, riding the wave of interest around "alternative" OS like BeOS. The original editor's husband was a filesystem engineer on the BeOS filesystem.

[@slaapliedje]

@tyrgoossens Yeah, like 99% of the articles are just reposts from Phoronix. At least for a long while they were. Some of the commenters are good dudes, and were less assholes than Phoronix. But I definitely am going to stop going there.

[@sejtano]

someone really wants to destroy every alternative to the microsoft/apple spyware

[@asandax6]

You forgot the biggest one Google.

[@0x54n4]

Yes it's all just evil conspiracies

[@rezah336]

exactly, this is organized

[@0x54n4]

@@rezah336 it's got something to do with chemtrails

[@rezah336]

@@0x54n4 it's got something to do with obvious diversion tactics

[@draoi99]

The politics has already started? LMAO Imagine going back through years of someone's commits to find "problematic" behaviour... This is real Stasi stuff.

[@user-eg6nq7qt8c]

Find the man , and I'll find the crime.

[@ChrisKhaled83]

They are stasi-like

[@Netist_]

As soon as something gets even the slightest bit of notoriety, they pounce and begin the subversion attempts.

[@More_Row]

Sounds like anti competitive agents are involved. I mean paid ones.

[@WolfsFriend42]

DEI, Didn't earn it.

[@GjokoPargo]

This all looks like a well organized psy-op

[@psudobuddha]

Yes, and no. The people of this mindset want to do harm; they don't care about trans people, or ethnic minorities. They want power, and they want to hurt people, and they are just using whatever justification they can concoct at the moment. The psy-op was them being taught to be that way.

[@shaunpatrick8345]

No, it's trans activism.

[@kylewhite2985]

@@shaunpatrick8345 Which is a psy-op.

[@shaunpatrick8345]

@@kylewhite2985 neurotic people are psychologically affected by everything. That does not mean everything is aimed at operating on their psychology, but it does mean they can't tell what is and is not a psychological operation. The people behind this seek power, they are not trying to vex you, they don't even know you exist.

[@shaunpatrick8345]

@@kylewhite2985 it's obviously not, but I'm not allowed to make my explanation public. If you want to read it, ask KZbin for permission.

[@sunderkeenin]

Their resilience to extremists of any stripe is a good reason to donate to Ladybird. I've done so already!

[@0x54n4]

Imagine writing this. I'm sorry.

[@sunderkeenin]

@@0x54n4 If this has already aged poorly post where it did because I want to go laugh at myself. I'm always up for a chuckle.

[@dziadek_gruz]

@@0x54n4 Imagine not being able to define what a woman is

[@0x54n4]

@@dziadek_gruz "asking" the same question again :D

[@warpspeedscp]

@@dziadek_gruz oof, apply ice!

[@lh8228]

Purely technically speaking, "they" is the better fit for a "purely technical project", so I don't agree with the reasoning for not merging the pull request, but this rejection does not automatically make it transphobic. Identity politics and its activists should focus on structural issues, not cancel culture. And the Ladybird project should stick to their word and be as pure of a technical project as humanly possible. Problem solved. Next issue.

[@spiritofstar]

They were not even activists,they just pointed out grammatical errors,since make is not default gender you can not assume their gender,you say they,this was not activism at all

[@warpspeedscp]

That MR rejection was definitely not professionally done, but it was one mistake, maybe the dev was having a bad day or something.

[@bomberfish77]

10:15 "master" is literally GIT'S DEFAULT BRANCH NAME

[@shallex5744]

i thought it was main these days

[@rhone733]

It depends on how woke your git host is. Github changed the default to 'main' because they're stupid. I think even default git suggests 'main' but defaults to 'master'

[@jjtt]

​​​@@rhone733i mean, they only changed the default if you tick the box that says generate a commit with a completely useless blank readme file. I don't know why would anybody want that, but it's one of their features. If you don't check it, they give you the instructions for noobs and mixed in there is the command that renames master to main, but there's no "default" for them to change. They basically communicated their changes really badly so they could look as ""supportive of black people"" as possible

[@simpleprogrammingcodes]

@@shallex5744 it's for github

[@0x54n4]

​@@rhone733 main is shorter than master so who's stupid?

[@fredleggett923]

It has always mystified me how the old guard - the people who are in their 50s and 60s who spearheaded these technologies - seem completely unable to resist woke activist outrage grifters who're probably in their late teens and 20s. How hard is it to say, "Get lost" and keep saying it? BTW, anyone remember when IDE devices had to be assigned a master/slave relationship (and still do)?

[@KotleKettle]

Most of them are millennials. You can see it by their cringe lingo: "Maybe, just maybe..." "Sweet somers child..." " Y'all" "It's almost as if" "This! So much this!"

[@johanswork]

f ing fantastic. i used to think your coverage was a bit long but now i am finding more and more comfort from your voice. thank u for existing.

[@hopperstreams4487]

Currently writing an inflammatory and profane CoC. Granted, Lunduke doesn't hold a candle to me in terms of "far-right" so it pisses me off when they call him that. DeVault, I'm your true enemy.

[@shiningstar0934]

James Lindsay on the channel New Discourses elaborates how "wokeness" is a Maoism for the west. Puts all of this into a very interesting perspective.

[@helidrones]

Being called a *phobe or *ist or far right sounds like a seal of quality these days.

[@jadetermig2085]

Unless the ist is feminist

[@robotron1236]

That’s because it actually is. 😂

[@robotron1236]

As soon as they started telling me that lunduke was the Alex jones of Linux, I knew I needed to subscribe. There aren’t a whole lot of right wingers in tech. We need to stick together!

[@helidrones]

@@robotron1236 I am considering myself a „middle winger“ but since everyone else moved to the far left this likely makes me a right winger too.

[@robotron1236]

@@helidrones yeah, that’s what I used to consider myself too, but I finally picked a side. I’m not some Christian conservative or anything, probably more libertarian, but I’m definitely on the political right nowadays.

[@californiavirus3566]

I hope Ladybird doesnt succumb. I desperately want one thing that isn't controlled by the same goblin squad. Even if everything they're accused of is true or worse, I don't care. No one should have to apologize to randoms for anything. It's not normal, it's not how people are supposed to function. We apologize to people we wrong. Public apologies are just submission.

[@gabrieleiacono4934]

Hey Lunduke, first time I comment something here. I wanted to thank you for this video. I know for a fact that we share different political beliefs but still I appreciate so much what you're doing to call out what these bullies are doing. I don't know if there's any other tech journalist on the other side of the political spectrum that does that, but there should be (even if not US based, where political views I understand are particularly divisive). I would never understand what drives these people to do that, to write such horrible things, to someone they don't even know and who's not even mediatically exposed. It really is an horrible thing to do to a fellow human being.

[@delian66]

imho envy and boredom drive them

[@californiavirus3566]

I know youre not supposed to show that youre shaken on the internet but tbh i'm scared of how extreme and illogical these people have become. They're not even hiding behind justifications, and they're not embarrassed by the recent mass incidents caused by their advocates. It's like their craziness multiplied in less than a year thanks institutions for convincing sick people that they can never be wrong

[@devyn7853]

MK Ultra victims/paid agitators

[@nonetrix3066]

And the thing about the branch name, Ladybird was a SerenityOS project before being forked off. SerenityOS was made in 2018 first way before the default branch name was pointlessly made to 'main' more likely it is just a relic from that and trying to keep the old commits etc.

[@Astinsan]

ok.. going to use it now

[@0x54n4]

Video or it didn't happen

[@real_lostinthefogofwar]

They couldn't except who they are, now they want to tell everyone else how to be

[@Brutaltronics]

I'm both donating and looking forward to using ladybird

[@shreyarora9738]

my money is on a small capital motivated group paying people / ai to take control over open source projects.

[@0x54n4]

damn. how did you find out?

[@shreyarora9738]

@@0x54n4 they sent the cia bro

[@stam_ehad]

His mistake was to apologies You never apologies to people that behave like this

[@microcolonel]

"purely technical project" is a threat... to meritless interlopers.

[@fluffymcdeath]

I'd bet there's some industry backing behind these wrecking crews.

[@piotrkozbial8753]

Maybe just rename the project to "Transphobia". Could play out good for them.

[@balsalmalberto8086]

Rename to Binary or CIS Browser or Immutable Gender browser

[@peterixxx]

Honestly, that's a valid tactic. If you dilute the term enough, it will become meaningless. The other side is abusing and redefining language too, so I don't see why not...

[@KevPez-IS]

Are we able to run this browser? I know it’s early days, but I wanna run it to spite these people

[@kebien6020]

You can but right now it's pretty slow and a lot of sites don't work. They're working on it though

[@KevPez-IS]

@@kebien6020 I’m not a programmer, But I’d love to participate in some capacity

[@danbuter]

The devs need to sue these people into poverty.

[@Acoustic_Theory]

Nope, just ignore them. That is their kryptonite.

[@samuellourenco1050]

Andreas Kling is a genius. As a programmer, I don't even reach his feet soles. I really don't admit that guys that are not even programmers think they have the right to try to derail and take over his project. This kind of project is not possible without Andreas.

[@vaaaaaas]

This will keep happening so long as you tolerate it.

[@AngryRabbit-sd6lp]

Salute you for going through all this. I start shivering with anger after learning what these people are saying. That's what we humans are left with to do??? there are real problems solve than changing a language.

[@kpcraftster6580]

It's always the same small handful of (user)names involved. Daniel Foré, Drew Devault, Tom Holwerda, "Lea" Verou, Nicco Venerandi, Brody Robinson's lapdog "Hari Rana", etc.

[@RealOny]

Don't give them an inch

[@0x54n4]

Yeah. Don't make the same mistakes as we did in the past. Voting rights for women? WTF. Of course this was gained by being asleep and agreeable

[@andrewfournier8817]

FOSS sort of is an ideology- but it doesn't have anything to do with trans people certainly

[@Cuperino]

FOSS is not exclusive, it deals with a specific set of politics (computing freedom) which some devs won’t want to mix, and that is fine.

[@andrewfournier8817]

@@Cuperino It's built on much older public use of ideas

[@0x54n4]

Someone didn't pay attention

[@andrewfournier8817]

@@0x54n4 To history, maybe? Or is techbro limited education blinders cool because tech?

[@dziadek_gruz]

@@0x54n4 I like that you won't pay attention to the fact that you can't define what a woman is

[@Mr76Pontiac]

Software development doesn't have a gender. If you are male... Female... Both... Neither... Doesn't matter... No matter how you think, what you think, or what you do (legally and with consent) in the safety of your own home, doesn't enter into any code on any project. In any of my projects, the act of hate would immediately have any person who starts tossing politics, gender, harassment, whatever... Anything that detracts from the project gets deleted, the individual person banned, and if it continues, you go up stream to whomever is hosting the projects (Github, Atlassian, whomever) you start filing complaints against the individuals making the accusations, and you start filing police reports for harassment. There's terms of services. Cut the offenders access to the services to be a participant to ANY project on the ENTIRE platform would be epic and awesome.

[@gronki1]

Feeling encourage to try this browser,

[@jean-michelgilbert8136]

Damn, Elon Musk buying Twitter and taking away the power the crazies held over that platform sure didn't do good for Mastodon. There's still lots of crazies left on X/Twitter but at least, now, they go both ways.

[@mikecruz5389]

How dare a project be politically agnostic! As someone who loves Open Source it’s depressing to watch this virus infiltrate such promising minds. The good that has happened is that I am forced to stop being a leech of FOSS and start to financially support these projects. I don’t care what your political affiliation is, if you make great software I want to use I will support you. If you make your political ideology the focal point of your product I’ll find a different one.

[@asishreddy7729]

The less substance in their claims, the more outlandish will be their accusations.

[@brainstormsurge154]

I think you should interview James Lindsey and talk about this infiltration and activist stuff that has been going on in the technology and open source sphere. Might be the best way to shine a light on these issues in a broader sphere.

[@TheLinuxGallery-qz2vs]

At this point; it's necessary to fall ALL the way back to Guix, in order to have a linux box with appropriate hardening measures for average everyday networking. These people control almost all the centralized repositories. They have DNF, they have NIX, they have the Cannonical repos -- and their first reaction to seeing their own shadows is to use resources they control as weapons, against arbitrary targets selected in a knee-jerk fashion. We need systems designed to be completely scrappable, without affecting their integrity; while operating with a source-agnostic package manager, that we can set to target known safe sources. Those measures can keep a system safe from arbitrary red team action from package, repo, and distro maintainers.

[@reecesx]

bbuh muh windows is le evil. dont you trust those hundreds of pgp keys?!?!?! open sores means everybody gets to see the code.

[@osmano807]

Some still remember that Guix folks ousted RMS, even made a open letter denouncing him. The technology and license gives hope, but the community gives shills

[@TheLinuxGallery-qz2vs]

@@osmano807 That's true, but it can be taken completely out of their influence by the design of its package manager I think it's the only distro that can do that, outside LFS and Gentoo

[@TheLinuxGallery-qz2vs]

@@osmano807 I don't like them very much either, but their package manager is FANTASTIC at separating machines from the community. Even if they cut another arm off to shut down the project just because people they don't like are using it -- that package manager, and its base system, has no dependency on repo maintenance whatsoever. As long as you can slip a .scm file into a git folder, it stays live.

[@reecesx]

@@osmano807 not shills, just deficient "people" lacking any personality or skillsets. all they have is poor ideology spread through social contagion

[@Patrick_Bard]

I hate this kind of situation, I'm totally against gender neutral language as understood today, but the first suggestion made was not actually that. I don't know the OP intention with that, it could very well be political, but what I meant is that if you study languages it's clear that English has a long tradition to use "they" when you don't know the subject very well. It's easy to see that when referring to "someone" (literally anyone), it's usual to address that theoretical person as "them", "their". Here is a practical example that also expresses what I think: "when someone declares THEIR own pronouns to be X/Y and say people are required to follow that, it's nonsense. But when someone uses the third person plural pronoun to refer to an undeclared subject, they are right".

[@TheNoirKamui]

This is great news and finally some small progress. A new company doesn't bow their head to these fascists. Not even with a silly dictated ToS. Nice...

[@andimachovec2719]

Who would have thought, for once I actually agree with Bryan. That said, I do think that a modern collaborative software project should use gender-neutral and inclusive language. But these attacks and Thom's reaction on OSNews (well, not even on OSNews, the article just disappeared) are way over top.

[@skaruts]

Ever since github suggested that we stop using "master" branches, I started consciously using them. In a normal situation, I couldn't care less what the main branch is called, but since their reasoning was just woke tripe, then I do care to not do their bidding. If a person is upset at any of these things, the problem is in that person, not in my repo.

[@WhatTheScoots]

It is called entrism or entryism and Hegelian dialectic. Everything is political. That means everything that is not (yet) political has to be made political. Socialist tactics, people. It happens everywhere. Your hobbies, your movies, your children's schools, your tech, your sports, the corporations you buy stuff from. Everywhere.

[@requited2568]

The left is correct when they say verything is political, just in a functioning society most things are not in conflict. Only a few aspects of society will be under debate while the rest is accepted as the standard.

[@samuellourenco1050]

Clearly a foot-in-the-door tactic to take over another browser.

[@PopsSinging]

Everyday the movie 'idiocracy' looks more and more like a prophetic telling of the future and the future is now. We used to have a name for these people "Dimwitted" and I suggest that name still describes them perfectly.

[@mkknz]

Oh god... This is perhaps the most fascinating open-source project I've seen in a long time, and I've been so excited about it. It really saddens me to see it under attack :(

[@stxrobstar]

Apparently you will not be allowed to escape their lame matrix...

[@arubaga]

I keep thinking a nonprofit foundation is now obviously the wrong funding model. Perhaps now the developers have to keep copyright for the period of one year. Allow historical source access, but not the latest and greatest. Revenue is good, which enables hiring of developers.

[@SpookySkeleton738]

It's not enough that you don't speak out against them, you HAVE to speak up for them.

[@kensmith5694]

The first mention of politics was an error. The use of "they" for an unknown person has always been correct. The correct way to reject the suggestion would have been: Both "they" and "he" allow that sentence to be understood. We however choose to save the two bytes by not adding the "t" and "y" to the sentence.

[@ChrisKhaled83]

Its plain madness. I am also going to close My Mastodon account today. I had not used it much, But since it has been shown that all these crazy activists are on it, Its not somewhere I want to be, I will close it. Once these bullies start thier attacks, they dont stop. You are right about that.

[@TokenTech]

don't they realize attacking people like that will just push them away and towards the ideology they don't like? not to mention it is all based on a lie

[@aquilafasciata5781]

I wonder how much of Google’s ad budget went towards these smears.

[@Mama_esta_presa]

Those labels are not just liberally applied, sadly they are weaponized

[@lautarojayat7914]

Maybe we should continue the mailing-list-driven development and quit social-media-garbage-driven-oss

[@mikek3094]

It’s reasons like this that I no longer work in software development

[@tiagotiagot]

Isn't the fediverse decentralized, and not just a single site, but tons of separate sites, that may each have sub-communities?

[@kumanderlinux]

Thank you for the heads up, Bryan. I will take appropriate precautions with my project.

[@robmcleod2876]

These kinds of "protests" give people who actually fight for trans rights and inclusivity a bad name

[@CalicoCrack]

ladybird must be doing something right to scare some shadow puppeteer into greenlighting this attack

[@0x54n4]

Logic 101

[@jimboAndersenReviews]

That Luana-character looks like a witch-avatar claiming that "the developer of Ladybird is a witch!". Hopefully Luana is a troll.

[@ManuFortis]

Wow. They're already after them... And people wonder why we can't have nice things.

[@0x54n4]

Like? Voting rights?

[@ManuFortis]

@@0x54n4 Peace, tranquility, contentment, happiness in general. Those sorts of things. Can't have those, cause the people who thrive on chaos, hatred, war and strife would lose their absolute minds... Those people are so up their own arsehole, they don't realize they are the assholes.

[@0x54n4]

@@ManuFortis About which people are you talking? :D

[@ManuFortis]

@@0x54n4 Any people who wonder why we can't have nice things, whoever they are. Oh, wait, you mean the other reply. Hmmm, well there goes any hope of any sort of charity on my end towards you; since if you can't tell who the warmongering hate filled types are... then you probably are one of them.

[@walkergrae]

Looking like the tech world needs to join in with the parallel economy group.

[@psudobuddha]

In the past you had said things that led me to believe that you were in the crowd that supported them, if not actively, than at least passively. You have regained my respect, and my subscription.

[@cccpkingu]

For supposedly being so gay, it sure is straight satire.

[@0x54n4]

Wow I love gooo... bad jokes

[@Marcelo-rj3ll]

Long live to Ladybird and projects like it.