NixOS commits "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder

The Linux project descends into chaos as political activists enforce extremist politics.
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[@MrVampify]

Unfortunately I have been quite involved with this story. It's completely stupid. Simply asking "Why does this need to be in the code of conduct" gets you banned.

[@nate32396]

These people let even the smallest shred of power go to their heads.

[@tetsuo3k]

Sorry to hear that. I've been adjacent to this sort of drama in open source circles, and that's tough enough. At best you wind up with a schism of sorts. It usually ends up ruining a LOT of friendships too, I can speak of that from experience. I'm beginning to wonder if we can recover from this as a society. Back in my day, you could disagree fundamentally with a guy and not hate him for it! This is but one tip of a huge mega-iceberg, an endemic social issue. This is the mind virus that Elon talks about. Humanity is going to end itself arguing banalities that frankly nobody cares about, nobody SHOULD care about. Absolutely none of this has to do with programming, it's purely about ostracizing part of a community because a different part of it claims victimhood.

[@MrVampify]

@@tetsuo3k Virtue signaling has become a competition ans these guys intend to win.

[@MrVampify]

@@ecoandrei328 It actually not that simple If you contributed to nixpkgs you would know that.

[@mk3suprafy]

Its quite a large job actually to filter all the Linux components for this. Always check the CoC, they out themselves every time.

[@RuddODragonFear]

One of the people who participated in the purge of NixOS -- his pseudoname appears on the video -- works for Google. If this video is suspended, now you know.

[@Licardo7]

So sounds more like Google got their people in the org to destroy it from he inside - using trans issues as cover

[@codahighland]

There is more than one Google employee with Nix. Hard to say.

[@RuddODragonFear]

@@codahighland but only one that shows up on the screenshot onscreen.

[@unucellply4221]

"manpages debian org perl proxy log null" (yandex search engine) dbus and perl have been worked by Oracle employees, and Oracle gets incomes from Android. Microsoft isn't the main factor with run0, because Google funds GNOME, GNOME funds NetworkManager and DBus and relies on DBus and SystemD. it will run only once they're available. DBus is the equivalent to DHCPCD, but in the case of DBus, both sides are heavy, such as Android kernel's ashmem and binder.

[@unucellply4221]

"manpages debian org perl proxy log null" (yandex search engine) dbus and perl have been worked by Oracle employees, and Oracle gets incomes from Android. Microsoft isn't the main factor with run0, because Google funds GNOME, GNOME funds NetworkManager and DBus and relies on DBus and SystemD. it will run only once they're available. DBus is the equivalent to DHCPCD, but in the case of DBus, both sides are heavy, such as Android kernel's ashmem and binder.

[@LokiScarletWasHere]

This is why you gatekeep crybullies out. When you don't gatekeep, they do.

[@AztecAryan]

Always gatekeep

[@I-ONLY-BUILD-MECHS-AND-DUSTERS]

You couldn't have gatekept them. Money and power push this stuff everywhere all at once, not just a few random people.

[@Controllerhead]

Why should a volunteer operating system have anything to do with bedroom preferences or sexual orientation? Awful!

[@amigalemming]

Seems that NixOS is already in wide use in bedrooms. Maybe this could be good news. :-)

[@lindaljungdahl8688]

Because trans is neither?

[@James-l5s7k]

@@lindaljungdahl8688 How many covid boosters did you take?

[@TrinitronX]

After digging into the unreported details further… it actually doesn’t appear to have much at all to do with that topic whatsoever. In fact, despite this video’s attempts at reframing the scenario around that narrative, it mostly concerns some unrelated topics about whether to allow defense contractors to sponsor, and thus run Ads, and other community concerns. A quote from the source closer to the community conversation: “@edolstra should remain on the Nix team. There is nothing in my view he has done as a Nix team member to warrant his removal from the Nix team. The above documented pointed out that he is not is not interested in the administrativa that is the board’s job, but that he is interested in the engineering work that is co-maintaining the Nix code base. The website saying he is the “team lead” is effectively a mistake - the team operates in an egalitarian manner with no one member above the others In some contexts Eelco may have been treated as the BFDL, against his wishes. In the Nix Team meetings, we have not made that mistake. We treated him as “just” another team member, and he never expressed any dissatisfaction with this agreement.” Evidently, there was some deliberation and they decided to institute a constitutional assembly structure instead of the “BDFL”-style organizational structure. All of this is in the NixOS community Discourse forum.

[@TaronArts]

Yes, you're not a true Linuxer unless you are a Furry. /s

[@NikiDaDude]

FOSS needs hardcore borderline antisocial nerds at the helm of every major project. The kind of people who only care about what's good for the project and will kick out the grifters who try to make everything about themselves and their pet ideologies. The only activism free software needs is one that promotes the four essential freedoms.

[@chrimony]

Linus used to be that guy. Even he got cowed.

[@rhone733]

And keep the source closed. Quality devs don't work for free.

[@BBWahoo]

Don't forget schizophrenic, terry davis says hi!

[@DongKEKong]

this.

[@merlinraymond1014]

Holdup ​@@rhone733

[@sunriseleatherco.6587]

And NixOS had such a bright future.

[@suic86]

Had!

[@acegear]

press f

[@affieuk]

Yeah, I really like it, but this is getting rediculous.

[@zootallures7003]

"And NixOS had such a bright future." that's WHY they went after it.....kill the good and leave the bad alone.....rinse and repeat over and over again.....and lower the quality of linux as a whole.

[@predabot__6778]

@@zootallures7003 Who are "they" in this case? Are you saying ideological clashes within larger FOSS-projects are all orchestrated by Microsoft/Google/Apple/my pet chihuaha, or something? Or if you're not, I fail to see what benefit Antifa or [insert extremist entity here] would see in specifically sabotaging projects which theoretically contain less government spying, and hence would make some of their activities easier.

[@Trahloc]

I just switched to NixOS recently after playing with Nix off/on for the last year or so. It's a freaking great operating system and I hope the founder and Jon fork their own project so I can have people who focus on *technology* and not politics at the leadership levels.

[@moetocafe]

you should be aware, that behind those purple, green and blue haired lunatics actually the gov are taking control over our technologies and over our freedom. At this point I would not consider NixOS secure anymore.

[@Trahloc]

@@UberFoX Radicals aren't necessarily the problem, it's bad faith authoritarians. To tag Sam Harris on this, a radical Jainist isn't going to harm anyone. He might suffer from terminal TDS but he was right on that front.

[@michaelbuddy]

@@Trahloc "radicals aren't necessarily the problem" on the left they always are.

[@Christobanistan]

@@Trahloc Not the slightest difference.

[@HirschyKiss]

​@@TrahlocIt always boils down to the same thing. Is there really ever going to be a radical that doesn't end up becoming a bad faith actor ?

[@eng3d]

What a way to hate them. *Minority* : Do you agree with my unique viewpoint? *Me* : No. *Minority* : Do you hate me? *Me* : Not really, I don't know you. *Minority* : Purged! Now, do you hate me? *Me* : Yes. *Minority* : Hate must stop

[@Sevish]

This is called entryism and is a political activist technique. Really hope KDE don't go down this path.

[@radornkeldam]

All this inclusion nonsense was a trojan horse: You include them so that they can exclude you once they are inside.

[@radornkeldam]

@@LikeATreeOnAMountain probably taken from the Qur'an too.

[@J0derVIVIVI]

@@radornkeldam Can't read the one you are responding to, thoug the book teachings are a literal shield against the so called "inclusion" as sold by the usual suspetcs. There is a reason why stating "islam is correct about women" triggers so many of them.

[@leosmith848]

"The long march through the institutions."

[@krux02]

@@radornkeldam I did not read the Qur'an, but as far as I know they talk more about throwing stones at gay people.

[@moussaadem7933]

​@@krux02it's mostly about submission to God and the right way to do things. What to do or not do with gays is a detail

[@von_nobody]

First "Code of Conduct" next "Nazi witch hunt"

[@markgilbert5856]

I am trying to imagine Witch Hunter Robin, but with Robin as a Nazi

[@ioaircraft]

left are insan3. as those doing that are pushing actual naz1sm, its called gleichschaltung, aka naz1fication

[@sgameirojr]

@@von_nobody slippery slope still holds true.

[@pontocinza]

A conspiracy theorist could say that some powerful people are using disingenuous ways in order to (step by step) get rid of Linux.

[@HellonWheels777]

I would just happen to agree with that conspiracy theorist if they did.

[@tiagotiagot]

Or sabotage the west's tech infrastructure (and culture in general)...

[@Flackon]

By inciting a minor squabble in the forums of some niche distro? They're not very ambitious, it seems.

[@tiagotiagot]

Also curious that Yt disappeared my first reply on this thread from a while ago... My guess is it was about this being much bigger than just linux, not sure anymore edit:lol, and the reply to Flackon just now suggesting a potential mechanism why this actually makes sense got erased, hm... Gotta stop At'ing, seems that upsets the filter...

[@IAmTheSlink]

NixOS founder must be quite the wimp. If I'm on a project, and some group within that project crafts a resignation letter in my name, and they further tell me that I MUST sign it, lets just say that your story would have a much more exciting ending.

[@BobWidlefish]

Clearly a pathetic person. It’s a shame.

[@comosaycomosah]

Have to at least somewhat agree here......this certainly wouldnt be the end of the story

[@dtaggartofRTD]

That they demanded his complicity in his own destruction is the disturbing bit. Never give an inch on that sort of injustice.

[@dualfluidreactor]

It's probably straight up extortion

[@BobWidlefish]

@@dtaggartofRTD it’s a shame. Weakness will always be exploited by sinister activists.

[@Invictus_Mithra]

I'm not anti trans or anything like that but identity politics like this makes my blood boil. Forcing people to comply and show support is a good way to breed resentment even if it's something the person was originally positive about

[@carnivorebear6582]

@@Invictus_Mithra given how the trans communities ruin FOSS projects, you'd be crazy not be anti trans for that reason alone

[@folksurvival]

Why would you ever have been positive about it?

[@pixelforg]

​@DeeaA.-qu2bn same, plus I've had a pretty bad experience with them which pushed me further

[@smonster]

@DeeaA.-qu2bn Do you say the same thing about people of color committing crimes... yikes

[@ChrisKhaled83]

Same here. Now I am sick of them, they are just fasisct bullies.

[@miller42]

Damn, I didn't know those evil germans were still around 80 years later. Contributing to Linux at their age is quite impressive.

[@ContantContact]

Naw, it is their grandkids....

[@ChrisKhaled83]

With Purple or Green hair

[@sgameirojr]

And to be honest, even if the commits to bug fixes and new features were coming from Stalin, Polpot and Mao themselves, it doesn't matter. As long as they are safe and checked, improving the software, I couldn't care less. Did reiserfs become bad when the creator turned out to be a murderer? It's either a good piece of software or not. It does not depend on the reputation of the person who wrote it.

[@gustavojoaquin_arch]

Average Aryan classic, they learned to code ⚡⚡🗿

[@gustavojoaquin_arch]

​@@sgameirojrbased, politics must be banned from open source

[@mattn2151]

Sounds like I’m not gonna try nix

[@dimplick]

You're missing out

[@kojitakamura2522]

@@dimplick Are you sure about that?

[@mujabdullah6894]

@@dimplick fickdimp

[@tanawatjukmongkol2178]

Do try nix. nix and NixOS is two different thing. Alpine or Arch or Gentoo + Nix would be closest alternative to NixOS.

[@Jupiter__001_]

NixOS is a lot of work for a single user with only a small number of devices. A lot of things work differently or strangely, and you really need to dive deep into doing things the Nix way for it to work. A good example of this is Python virtual environments. It is very much non-trivial to set up a Python virtual environment with libraries not in the Nix Packages repository. (Also, it breaks DOOM Emacs every time it updates.) I personally used it for 8 months on my gaming and work laptop. It made certain things (like setting up hybrid graphics for gaming) very easy, and it made other things that should have been simple needlessly difficult. The biggest disadvantage is that nothing is done in the proper Linux/UNIX way, and needs to be looked up online. This wouldn't be such a big deal if the documentation were good, but it is genuinely terrible. Many things are either entirely undocumented or are documented in some random blogpost, though some of it is in the (rather spotty) unofficial wiki, but the information is usually incomplete or unclear. But all of the above sources are united in being outdated and not useful.

[@earx23]

Once again politics ruins technology.

[@NerveFlux]

And the electrical work that powers it... Not even a conduit benders skill was valuable compared to a DEI statistic.

[@chrimony]

That's radical "progressive" politics. Note how you never see people being purged for having leftist views.

[@Christobanistan]

And life.

[@trailblazingfive]

@@earx23 coup masked as politics

[@Rexhunterj]

politics ruins everything But those of us that ignore it and let it happen are just as bad as the politics themselves. Gamers figured this out years ago, gotta gatekeep your hobbies, this is a hobby and it should be gatekept from weirdos. Sad to see NixOS go.

[@BobWidlefish]

Goodbye NixOS!

[@advertslaxxor]

RIP, will be missed. Was an interesting take, too bad.

[@SteelyGlow]

And openSUSE as well

[@mckendrick7672]

​@@SteelyGlowYou should have ditched OpenSUSE ages ago, they've been openly hostile for ages.

[@Aras14]

Because of a bit of drama? Then there isn't really anywhere to go.

[@mckendrick7672]

@@Aras14 You say it's "a bit of drama" and yet these insurgents have been slowly encircling and crushing opposition for years now. It's always just "a bit of drama" until you have nowhere left to go.

[@KoltPenny]

These antifascists sound quite fascist.

[@kpcraftster6580]

They invariably are.

[@freedomgoddess]

no! stop connecting the two obvious dots!!!

[@VeselinM]

Historically, Antifa was to the German Communist Party (KPD) what the Sturmabteilung (SA) was for the Nazi party (NSDAP). KPD and NSDAP were bitter enemies not because their politics were opposite (basically, the only difference were that the former believed in internationalism and the latter were German chauvinists - other elements of the program were based on the same socialist ideas), they were fighting each other because their main support came from common workers.

[@mechanicalfluff]

Confession through projection. These people are loons (And they're proud of that) smh..

[@luizmonad777]

they're marxists, what did you expect

[@shogeki]

Dude, I just want my free software... why does everyone have to insert their politics into everything?

[@advertslaxxor]

It's beyond ridiculous at this point. I think we need a non-political licence. Call people nazis, racist, *phobe, and you permanently lose the right to use the licence.

[@nobodynever7884]

​@@advertslaxxorI like this idea.

[@PyVerse-47]

free software is a political move itself free as a free beer iirc but whole linux ecosystem is sabotaged by communist/leftist people which are anti freedom in the name of freedom how ironic foundation cutting of kernel development is a sign of itself

[@markgilbert5856]

​@@advertslaxxor So what about a CoC that says no name calling. From either side. Seriously both sides are fighting like children. Leftist: Mom, he called me a F***oT Righty: Dad, He called me a Nazi Serious, just be professional, keep your internalized hatred, whichever side you are on, to your self

[@sgameirojr]

Because there are always going to be bad actors trying to take over something good to call it their own. And they will prey on loosely ideological but highly influential movements to subvert it and push their agenda.

I hope he just forks NixOS and steals the market off of the extremists.

[@ckckck12]

Call it DixOS

[@Chag69420]

@@ckckck12 This. I hope this is the name he goes with 😂

[@NeOnFighterr]

Name of the fork, NazixOS

[@benedict1064]

None of this makes any sense until you consider for a moment that maybe this isn't happening organically.

[@sakesaurus]

yeah linux os's are an existential threat to the typical multimillionaire company that made buck with anti consumerism

[@damiengates7581]

If it was organic it would be successfully blocked, but it goes back hundreds of years now

[@Heater-v1.0.0]

@@sakesaurus This nightmare scenario is proceeding in many other organisations outside of linux or the OS world. In all kinds of fields of human endeavour. This strongly points to some force deliberately attempting to undermine all kind of organisation. I wonder who that might be? Well, Putin's Russia is famous for stringing up such discontent in many places in his attempt to collapse the western world. That is my first suggestion.

[@derickrodriguez5797]

This seems like a great way for nation states to take control of open source projects

[@Avenger222]

No need for a conspiracy, this is just normal terminally online community stuff.

[@Ejioplex]

Why was "Gender Minority" representation even needed? Like this is a coding project it doesn't matter what you identify as it doesn't make you anything special. The way i see it the people who disagreed just didn't see why such representation was needed they weren't discriminating and were certaintly not "Nazis". Also sorry if my english is kinda bad not really a native speaker but i have to say something this whole situation makes me so angry at how ridiculous it is.

[@tetsuo3k]

It's transparently a power grab. Just leveraging 'gender issues' as a convenient wedge.

[@carnivorebear6582]

It's so dumb. The only diversity that might make sense in representation like this is diversity in software engineering backgrounds.

[@rath6375]

It isn't supposed to make sense. It's supposed to confuse and demoralize you. As Voltaire wrote, “Certainement qui est en droit de vous rendre absurde est en droit de vous rendre injuste.” Injustice is just the beginning.

[@MrSnivvel]

@@carnivorebear6582 Vi vs Emacs is the only "diversity" should exist in the entire IT field.

[@act.13.41]

You won't see any other tech journalists covering this story, because they will lose their ad revenue. Lunduke is the only one who can get away with this, all because of memberships and donations.

[@Aras14]

Bro you really think KZbin is on the side of queers? Any video about some controversial theme gets demonetized as they want to prevent incidents with advertisers, trans KZbinrs get hit just as much if not even more. There is no grand conspiracy, just greedy people, some who want money, some who want validation (these "allies"), some who want influence, etc.

[@MikeBear]

I'd like to see him cite some sources for this story, because when I Googled it, he was the only source which popped up. Without collaboration from independent sources, that makes the story suspicious--to me, anyway.

[@kidmosey]

@@MikeBear You mean like the sources he cited in the article? What "sources" do you want?

[@shaunpatrick8345]

@@MikeBear that's one reason why the "independent" ad-dependent sources don't cover it.

[@Hornet135]

@@MikeBear The link to the article is in the description, with citations. Do better.

[@matthewlwood]

Let this lesson be learned: Never, ever, yield full control of any project, company, concept, etc. that you create unless you are leaving it of your own free will in perpetuity, with no desire to return. If people want you out, politely tell them to pound sand. You own the house; they can leave.

[@predabot__6778]

The dumb thing is of course that this is FOSS, so anyone could just fork the work and do their own variation, with any kind of Code of Conduct that they please -- that would be the logical thing to do, instead of causing so much friction.

[@MrSnivvel]

@@predabot__6778 Parasites know creating something is hard work and will gladly steal resources by any means necessary. These parasites are stealing the brand and all the hard work it took to build it.

[@ForeverZer0]

There is a special license-modifier you can use to prevent exactly this, and can be applied to any existing license you prefer. I can't write its name here it here on YT, but it an in anagram of "ginger", which I will use here. The "plusginger" license-modifier requires that derivative works or forks must include the word ginger in the project, ensuring that no corporation or alphabet mafia will ever take it over or use it.

[@pulsarglider]

@@ForeverZer0 I don't get it.

[@ForeverZer0]

@@pulsarglider It is a license-modifier that contains "The Ultimate Bad Word", and states that a copy of the license must be included with any project that uses your work.

[@radornkeldam]

I was considering trying NixOS in my attempts to find a Linux distro that I can stand. Now I'm not sure I should even bother.

[@nicfit23]

Seem for all the memes arch Linux is where it is at

[@necuz]

It seemed like the perfect blend of immutable and tinkering, so I ended up installing it on my laptop. Installation took ages, ok that's fine, you only have to do it once. Start adding packages to get basic stuff working, also slow, but bearable. I want hardware video decode, so I install the needed intel-media-codecs or whatever it's called. It doesn't work because the files are in a weird Nix-specific path instead of where VAAPI looks for them, I end up doing a sudo ln -s to fix that. I wanted to use a different LightDM greeter that wasn't already packaged for Nix, so I decide to try doing it myself. I've packaged stuff for multiple other package managers, how hard could it be, it's just a basic cmake project on GitHub. I tried following docs and also using a script to generate the package file skeleton, neither of which got me anywhere near a working package or even understanding the nixpkgs package file format. I would rate it pointless/10.

[@M167A1]

​@@nicfit23looking at it

[@jasonm2477]

@@nicfit23 arch is just for enthusiasts unfortunately nix was an ideal candidate for production environments.

[@joshuaprecious]

@@jasonm2477 arch is actually better than nixos in my opinion, nixos has a very good idea but I feel like I am constantly fighting my system

[@georgebetrian676]

But what happens if the developer is muslim? Do they enter in an infinite loop of wokism?

[@spht9ng]

Palestine/Israel is too present in lefty discourse at the moment. Palestine activism takes precedent over LGBT stuff (see queers for palestine protestors and leftist white women wearing keffiyehs and joining prayers). The lefties will just excuse the brown guy being homo/transphobic because 'welp he's brown and third world so what do you expect... CEASEFIRE NOW!'

[@JamesHeather]

Muslims like transhumans. It's a kind of hidden homophobia. To avoid having to admit they have a homosexual child, they prefer to have it "sex changed".

[@psi4j]

Lmao

[@cccpkingu]

The descent started with silencing people critiquing their implementation of a code of conduct.

[@advertslaxxor]

100% this. Bit by bit.

[@PassifloraCerulea]

The wrong people were gate-kept

[@jadedandbitter]

No codes of conduct, ever. Only code should be what determines your standing in an FOSS project.

[@SlightlyTechnical]

hopefully the programmers that got banned are able to pull their code and ban nixos from using it

[@michaelk.jensen1611]

Doesn't sound very open source to me.

[@muhdiversity7409]

@@michaelk.jensen1611 So what? Being a fascist doesn't sound very open source either.

[@michaelk.jensen1611]

@@muhdiversity7409 whats a fascist, having a moderation policy and banning a person that repeatedly harasses and make other people unwelcome, by talking about things that are not pertinent to the project. You know like we did since moderation was " invented", 50 years ago. Come now , quit blowing it out of proportion WILDLY and go to the most extreme "conclusion" you could. I got names other got bans we disagreed with, this lying that the other are evil and I'm persecuted childishness is not going to fly , he sounds like every other bully that will not accept it and claims it everybody else, and he is treated so badly. I looked at the mails from him and others and the explanation they came with. And I can't conclude that or even disagree with the ban. Seem like a completely standard decision that went through a protocol and deliberation. And lunduke is pulling all the punches and blowing single comments out of proportion, like a snowflake. And spinning things wildly . I also took time to read some other of his posts, and his arguments are exacly what us that babe worked in hostile work environments battle with, the justification of silencing other people but by manipulator's that are good at framing. People don't have to be harsh on the surface they hide it to the superficial eye, and claim its them that has been wronged. And they are good at targeting and looking benign and even get support from outside neutral people, that is EXACTLY what they describe he does in their letter, well if i moderated it you would not get away with it just because you cover your negativity or harassment in smart manipulative ways . Beciase that behaviour is more damage than just loud rude behaviour everyone can easily see. Another issue is that manipulation is often causing an aggressive response from people after long time of harassment. And then often those that are the subject of harassment is blamed , beocase people look at the surface level instead of what is happening. Just like you do right now. Dont help and support the manipulator's.

[@heraldreichel1971]

I disagree. I think these activists should be able to do what ever they want with the code (as long as complies with the license). Let's see if they can do anything with it. I'm not confident they can contribute useful code, because that requires skills beyond the scope of activism, but I'm looking forward to be surprised.

[@V1CT1MIZED]

​@muhdiversity7409 freedom means freedom to think and do as you want, regardless of right or wrong. What it shows is that open source is nothing but a deluded dream.

[@odirex]

oh yay lets ban contributors, volunteers who code for free and for the good of all. better to ban input from everyone who doesn't contribute code.

[@joshallen128]

good thing it doesnt prevent forking i mean without a cla in place they are still beholden to the license unless they relicense it to be lgbtq friendly

[@pgtmr2713]

The equivalent of Communists taking over the farms. They don't know how to farm as the farmers did, the people will starve.

[@merciful9042]

yeah i mean even if it was the worst person whoever lived, as long as he gives you free quality for code expecting in return... why should you ban them?

[@joshallen128]

@@merciful9042 I believe they can but code already submitted they can't change if they were to remove attribution they would violate the MIT license even so permissive does require binary and source attribution

[@gwentarinokripperinolkjdsf683]

@@merciful9042 Yeah like, he could be a mass murderer and it would just be like "Well, I hope he goes to jail but banning him isn't going to do anything"

[@NikolajHansen]

"The fascists of the future will call themselves anti-fascists.", quote Winston Churchill.

[@chagoriver7159]

Churchill was a fascist an is considered an anti fascist icon. Fascism = colonialism, ideology of primitive accumulation

[@natalieconnolly7668]

They aren't fascists, they're just assholes.

[@reactionaryprinciplegaming]

I wish we would leave under the fascists of the past, those that Churchill ruined his nation to fight (and get booze money). 95% of the people would he better off.

[@rtsa4633]

I mean Winston Churchill was also a horrible human being that starved hundreds of thousands to millions to death in Bengal.

[@_xX_me_Xx_]

@@rtsa4633 Better of two evils?

[@TheNoirKamui]

This should be a great lesson for any founder of any project. You have to make such a structure, that you have the sole rights to the name of the product. In such a situation, it SHOULD be possible to just fork the project, call it NixOS again and just leave the old NixOS foundation or whoever it was behind in shame and lost investors.

[@federicodidio4891]

THIS

[@TrinitronX]

Forks are allowed and encouraged by the OSS Licenses. However, calling a project the same name after a hard fork can often run afoul of trademark law.

[@pgtmr2713]

That sounds like... discrimination.

[@brencancer]

yeah

[@act.13.41]

illegal discrimination

[@comosaycomosah]

It is we all know it

[@freedustin]

Sounds like DEI. They also do the manufacturing nazis thing.

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

Poppers paradox.

[@minementalx]

It is so funny how they operate exactly like the group they claim to fight. They are the bane of the western civilization... Lunduke at the frontline, thanks for that.

[@M167A1]

Think of it like a cult. If you're not a believer you are evil or stupid

[@sandnewts]

These people don't speak for every gay or trans person. Writing comments like this is just inflammatory and hateful. "They are the bane of western civilization" bro you the problem too.

[@PassifloraCerulea]

@@sandnewts He's right though. Your own point is they don't represent every gay or trans person, so how is @minementalx being inflammatory or hateful?

[@folksurvival]

"It is so funny how they operate exactly like the group they claim to fight. " No they don't.

[@carnivorebear6582]

​@@folksurvivalexactly, they're far worse

[@niacinsoupbowl]

I've been moving my NixOS servers to Debian and FreeBSD. The community has gone insane.

[@Simon-xi8tb]

But are you still using nix package manager on debian ?

[@carnivorebear6582]

FreeBSD is getting pretty woke as far as BSDs go sadly

[@mk3suprafy]

Both of those are bad for this. Arch is fair and to the point, no politics facing out.

[@niacinsoupbowl]

@@Simon-xi8tb no.

[@niacinsoupbowl]

@@carnivorebear6582 FreeBSD has been woke forever. I can certainly think of some of the drama such as 'BSDgirl' stuff and when they added the original CoC. The FreeBSD community is older and more stable, I don't expect the devs and community leaders to start burning the project down like the Nix people.

[@mannyc19]

I will never support DEI/Bridge,etc. I am a black male.

[@bsdguy]

Ditto!

[@postiemania]

How dare you assume your own identity......jk

[@tgheretford]

How long before they a project decides to extend this "purge" to users and not just contributors? I fear it's only a matter of when, not if.

[@chrimony]

Why would you fear this? Any self-respecting user should abandon the project immediately.

[@monkev1199]

iirc there was a mention I saw of the OBS developers wanting to add code to prevent Sargon of Akkad from using OBS.

[@benedict1064]

How would they do this precisely?

[@tgheretford]

@@benedict1064 New licences, codes of conduct and agreements before you can download or install the project.

[@jbloodwo]

@@benedict1064 “block lists”based on IP or MAC address or user name would be so what easy

[@bradleyp3655]

This whole DEI BS is in itself discriminatory. Value must be given on merit (a person skills, competency, etc) not based on what one identifies with. This will backfire on them in a huge blaze.

[@fge00]

So you're saying that as long as your history is taught no one else matters. Especially if the contributions you claim to have made were stolen from someone else but you don't want that included it's ok?

[@KingKrouch]

The road to hell is indeed paved with good intentions. I can understand why some would want to get people of color and women into STEM topics, but the way these corporations are approaching it (to tick off a checkbox for ESG) just seems extremely sinister. Intersectional marxists seem to think all of the world's problems are caused by white males, much in the same way neo Nazis think all of the world's problems are caused by Jews.

[@PassifloraCerulea]

​@@fge00 Blithering nonsense.

[@nate32396]

Pivot to MEI. Merit, Excellence, Intelligence.

[@Silverdev2482]

@@Kobold666 failed artist turned German politician

[@raul0ca]

This is why we cant have nice things

[@YarsRevenge1978]

Wait, was this all started by Microsoft? Is how they end open-source?

[@hexidecimark]

Looking effective so far

[@unucellply4221]

"manpages debian org perl proxy log null" (yandex search engine) dbus and perl have been worked by Oracle employees, and Oracle gets incomes from Android. Microsoft isn't the main factor with run0, because Google funds GNOME, GNOME funds NetworkManager and DBus and relies on DBus and SystemD. it will run only once they're available. DBus is the equivalent to DHCPCD, but in the case of DBus, both sides are heavy, such as Android kernel's ashmem and binder.

[@fge00]

Jeez now I have to find another OS? I'm not gay or trans or white. I just want an operating system.

[@linuxization4205]

Debian

[@francisquebachmann7375]

Arch or Linux from Scratch (if Arch becomes infected with Politics)

[@carnivorebear6582]

@@fge00 as long as you're not white I'm sure a few distros are willing to pander to you

[@folksurvival]

@@linuxization4205 Isn't Debian full of those people too?

[@techpriest4787]

PopOS from System76.

[@IgnacioTaranto]

Please don't infect Arch Linux, please don't infect Arch Linux...

[@user-ks1oh2wx6o]

There's no way... I hope.

[@pajeetsingh]

Blue hair is your nightmare.

[@ManuFortis]

@@user-ks1oh2wx6o Oh... there is a way... Guess where Arch originated... Canada. --University of Waterloo in Winnipeg.-- Victoria University. (Not sure where I got the previous idea... of it being Waterloo... or in Winnipeg... wow... but anyways. Yeah, Judd Vinet was going to Vic U.)

[@KingKrouch]

Their Discord server

[@user-ks1oh2wx6o]

@@KingKrouch All discord servers are unfortunately like that. Take the example with hyprland a couple weeks ago.

[@dragons_advocate]

We have been called Nahtzee for years now, just because we did not like a Star Wars movie. You have no power here

[@s1nistr433]

And now we wait for Lunduke to be called alt-right from all the redd*tors for literally being against discrimination.

[@niclash]

Hopefully Eelco and the productive (non-political) folks will fork Nix and start fresh, without the toxic activists having a chance to get in again.

[@robotron1236]

All of the booted devs need to get together and start their own projects. The parallel economy Tim Pool is talking about doesn’t stop at FOSS.

[@lordvalen8133]

I wonder if you've seen all the hidden Discourse threads (there are a lot) and the Zulip chat. Ironically, the various heavy moderation actions aren't enough for those seeking them. They have been leaving since the open letter. Those that haven't left threaten to leave when things don't go their way. My question: Why are we working so hard to appease the people who are already intent on leaving and why are we banning the people intent on staying?

[@ashwinrawat9622]

Why should I not hate the "persons" who've ruined my hobby? All this makes me hate them even more.

[@mrsearaphim4077]

If you keep calling someone a monster they will become a monster

[@BulkybearOG]

I feel like I'm going insane. Why are people trying to enforce their opinions on others these days. To the point of ruining people's lives if they don't share the same opinion? And why can't they differentiate open source projects from political platforms. It's infuriating. You want to contribute to open source, great. You want to discuss political opinions, go somewhere else. Want to force others to believe what you do, you should be banned, from everywhere.

[@NomenNescio99]

I do not find other people's sexual orientation something particularly interesting or relevant, nor do consider it a reason for pride. I fact, I even remember when pride used to be considered a deadly sin. I miss those times.

[@balsalmalberto8086]

Yea.. You can be proud of your children or your work but being proud of where you were born, your race, nationality, sexual preference is beyond stupid.

[@natalieconnolly7668]

Pride month and whatnot exists as a celebration of not giving in to oppression, so I disagree with your remarks about pride. I think that its not reasonable to classify these people as "political activists." It doesn't benefit trans people to ban contributors for failure to adhere to draconian policies or for questioning such policies, thus these people are not acting with political intent and instead with the apparent intent of being bullies.

[@mytech6779]

​@@natalieconnolly7668 Pride is taking credit for what is ultimately a roll of the dice. Or in the eyes of religions, taking credit for something that was willed/allowed by a god. This includes personal accomplishments, which first require the good luck of being born with some talent and motivation, and resonably good luck along the way.

[@sandnewts]

Something a straight white guy who's never faced real discrimination would say.

[@balsalmalberto8086]

@@sandnewts I've personaly dealt with racism because of my skin color but okay.....

[@vaaaaaas]

This will keep happening so long as you tolerate it. Merely being angry online is tolerance.

[@Reichstaubenminister]

Noticing patterns is discriminatory! Stop it!

[@Netist_]

NixOS always sounded cool, but something indescribable always rubbed me the wrong way. Glad I never switched to it. It's probably far, far too late, but I sure hope they can cut out this political "rotten flesh".

[@InvidiousIgnoramus]

Open Source Code Contributor Try Not To Be Terminally Online: IMPOSSIBLE Edition

[@linuxization4205]

Terry Davis not having networking on TempleOS was a good idea. Probably a sign for other people and operating systems to go ahead and remove networking from their kernels as well.

[@fanu4059]

😂😂 great suggestion

[@1rez378]

As God intended

[@zyxzevn]

I am not insane. So I would probably be "purged". I was already "purged" on several reddit-subs for being sane.

[@natalieconnolly7668]

its not me it's them!!!

[@balsalmalberto8086]

Reddit itself purged me because I was being honest, not toxic, not hateful, just honest and describing my experience and some people got offended. (pitbull "moms" hate when you tell the truth)

[@M167A1]

​@@balsalmalberto8086To tolerate something is the same as enabling it.

[@zyxzevn]

@@natalieconnolly7668 The biggest reddit-"purge" was about joining a discussion on c19. Because the discussion was referring to science with real data and real experts. Some very interesting things (like cures) were known early on. A lot of people were not liking real science, because the TV told them that only one person was "the science". Even when this person told different things each month, with no facts to back it up.

[@freedomgoddess]

@@balsalmalberto8086 they did you a favor. the internet sucks, and reddit is the front page of the internet.

[@hellojuggalos]

"but how does this affect you PERSONALLY?"

[@TheOne-ok7gn]

the leftist stupidity that is devouring FOSS is absolutely revolting. and it often targets the best projects and the best devs/contributors around.

[@genossinwaabooz4373]

That is a bit suss...

[@Zuranthus]

we've been warning ya'll about this since 2008 when they ruined comics

[@folksurvival]

What do you mean? Comics were created for subversion in the first place but the same group who created antifa etc.

[@upendownlinker]

Marxists

[@Swordofthelord-yk7em]

As a Marxist, I do not identify myself with these crazy post-left people. I stand for worker rights, not for gender hysteria.

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

Awesome 🥹

[@chagoriver7159]

They sound like liberals actually which Marxists despise

[@upendownlinker]

@@ThePlayerOfGames that profile picture good lord

[@natalieconnolly7668]

@@upendownlinker Just because you disagree with their opinions doesn't mean that you have to attack them for their profile picture. If you want to argue with someone, find a better way than practically saying "haha you're queer"

[@gutter_onion7855]

One can avoid unnecessary politics associated with a distro by switching to Linux From Scratch.

[@Reese268]

Many consider anitifa to be a violent terrorist organization because they've seen them be violent terrorists.

[@Error8x8]

That just shows you how dumb the "many" can be

[@cheako91155]

Some label ppl as Nazis, others label ppl as Antifa... Stop that, only the few ppl flying an Antifa flag belong to that group.

[@w3w3w3]

Linux is going to be ruined just like everything else... i have a bad feeling tbh about not just linux but the world in general. The west has fallen.

[@mechanicalfluff]

I wanted to try nix too. No chance. I don't want to run anything by these people. If they're willing to do this within their own project, imagine what they'll do to users.

[@kneekoo]

That community would not exist without the project. And someone there said that the community is more important than the project. The community is obviously very important, but it revolves around a project that is free and open source software. All the contributors' efforts help *everyone* who want to use the project, and that's important to keep in mind. Imagine the democrats imposing on republicans, or people without political affiliation, to wear democrat apparel, or vice versa, *at work.* 🤦‍♂

[@merciful9042]

that's madness, just plain simple insanity

[@TheSolidSnakeOil]

First time?

[@mckendrick7672]

We need a NixOS "Nazis Only" fork to make up for this.

[@elorrambasdo5233]

Do we?

[@chagoriver7159]

No

[@avisprimey]

^

[@x_voxelle_x]

Uh, let's not.

[@kpcraftster6580]

That's the one that currently exists, we need a fork without these nazis.

[@20x20]

I see a new Linux project on the horizon: NazOS

[@carnivorebear6582]

@@20x20 I mean if you play around with the NixOS logo a little bit you could come up with some interesting shapes lmao

[@Keymandll]

This made me laugh out so hard! :D

[@gumse666]

41% of the kernel will heal itself.

[@rusi6219]

The 41% will be discovered to have been thrown out of 109 open source projects prior

[@BogdanSerban]

That sounds like exactly what Nazis would do, ironically.

[@monkev1199]

Projection to inoculate their own followers from what they are doing.

[@comesignotus9888]

They are not Nazis, but they are definitely fascists, and they do exactly what fascists did - make ideological allies silence everyone and take the control, a dream of a bureaucrat. Their "antifascism" is a loosely-coupled extremist totalitarian ideology. And as every such ideology it is in reality aout one thing only - power.

[@folksurvival]

No it doesn't.

[@muhdiversity7409]

@@folksurvival Yes, it does.

[@cw-on-yt]

So I guess they went "woke" and now they'll go...well, did they have any money to start with? Maybe they were already "broke?" Either way, projects require talent. If you limit your talent pool solely to those who're willing to utter anti-rational shibboleths to certify your own ideological loyalty to The Party, your talent levels, on average, will be far below those of projects that _don't_ limit their talent pools in this way. That doesn't mean the code will _immediately_ be absolute crap. But give it a few years...if the project lasts that long!

[@fluffymcdeath]

Is this microsoft or IBM or some foreign actor attacking linux?

[@MarikHavair]

Apparently google, but probably all of the above.

[@maxmouse3]

I'm sure this will go great! They'll have only political activists instead of developers, the project will be dead within a year. This is too bad, activists are destroying many projects :/

[@nate32396]

The problem is that a lot of the activists are actually pretty skilled developers.

[@francisquebachmann7375]

​@@nate32396until their funding dries us.

[@doktork3406]

@@nate32396 That's very odd. They're smart enough to write good code, but they're not smart enough to figure out that demanding acceptance from others, when they couldn't even accept who they were to begin with and had to resort to knives and pills to change themselves, is utterly insane. I guess 'smarts' is more of a spectrum, as they'd say.

[@felizago]

Does anyone remember that debacle in freebsd where someone changed MBR from the canonical master boot record to main boot record because “muh racisms”? I’ve been a happy OpenBSD user for years now, because this projects’ only goal and commitment is to write the best and most correct software, and that’s it.

[@Tuaregoxffff]

Kudos to Bryan for raising this issue

[@maxwellmurdoch]

The KDE guy will probably say Antifa is nice or just an idea or something daft in reaction to this video.

[@KevPez-IS]

I don’t want politics, no BS. Just give me a damn OS so I can get work done! No time for political nonsense!

[@jamestillman5247]

90 percent of trans people dont know what linux is. Of those that do only a percentage actually use it. So if that is the case if they only want pride flag flyers to use linux then logic dictates theyd lose 99 percent of their user base. O user base no funding no more linux. Makes me wonder if this is subterfuge to ruin Linux from within. Consider the funding sources and share holders. Do any of them dtand to benefit from Linuxs failure?

[@carnivorebear6582]

Steve Ballmer's dream is looking to become reality!

[@Avenger222]

99.9999%, it's a subsection of a subsection. Most trans people aren't terminally online and most trans people that are terminally online don't know what linux is. This would be a very tiny community.

[@genossinwaabooz4373]

​@@Avenger222 that's why this has to be sabotage. Posers trying to wreck good tech that empowers people. Leftists want these projects to thrive. Are you kidding me?!

[@realjoecast]

this will be reported to oblivion. thanks for the Report Bryan.

[@msolace580]

how does your sexual practices matter for a os

[@YTDeletes90PercentOfMyComments]

It doesn't but some maintainers never go outside

[@asumazilla]

You must accept non-binary code.

[@MaruAdventurer]

It does not and that is the point. This is just a different way of cancelling people.

[@GabrielVilanova-n3p]

Exactly, it makes no sense, but in fact it doesn't have to. The objective here is to confuse and demoralize you. If there's any real threat to the Linux community is the community itself.

[@bjoernschumacher5852]

what to do when linux is "broken" through this and Windows is shitty too? BSD?

[@mckendrick7672]

The biggest problem is all these projects are monolithic, so once the corruption sets in you have to make a huge change to escape. The best option would be to push for a microkernel like RedoxOS - perhaps even push for RedoxOS itself and fork it if they go the same direction. A microkernel is infinitely more manageable by the community than a monolithic kernel.

[@o_q]

gnu hurd lol

[@carnivorebear6582]

​@@mckendrick7672if you think Redox os won't end up horribly woke you're sadly mistaken. It's a rust project...

[@mckendrick7672]

@@carnivorebear6582 There does appear to be a large woke element to the Rust "community", but Rust undeniably has merits, and the point still stands that a microkernel is far more manageable as a fork than a monolithic kernel. At this point there are woke elements to so many of these things that you just have to pick and choose your battles.

[@ligerstripe99]

@@mckendrick7672 what like their code of conduct saying someone needs to get better at writing code is 'bad' and the goal of the project is to have a compiler that will make code usable no matter how badly written so 'evil coding skills' doesn't discriminate against 'minority groups'? rust is as it states on the tin. a degradation of things.

[@ChristopherManning-u8p]

I mean if you were looking for a good way to create regime changes for the sake of slipping backdoors into stuff you've got a pretty effective tool to slide attackers into stuff.

[@1988RNT]

All this madness has to be a coordinated attack on Linux.

[@genossinwaabooz4373]

Right?! It makes no sense.

[@TrinitronX]

Or perhaps, following Occam’s Razor… We can realize that this “journalist” frequently presents a slanted and biased political view on most everything. 🤔 There are always more details and sides to the story…

[@legocreator768]

looking for a based OS and open source projects, where should I look?

[@BitTheByte]

Arch

[@folksurvival]

@@BitTheByte He said a based OS.

[@BitTheByte]

@@folksurvival oh sorry you are right, arch doesn’t care about your political ideology. YOU are more based that. You need someone to constantly affirm your beliefs. “YO YOUR LIFE SUCKS NOW HATE WOMEN ALREADY AND GO TO THE GYM” how shallow of a person do you need to be to constantly require pandering. You know what is Truely based? Indifference. You could learn a thing or two.

[@folksurvival]

@@BitTheByte You just made up a whole fake scenario in your own head (and made up fake quotes to go along with it) and then got upset about the fake stuff you made up.

[@belstar1128]

i don't know but try to looking for something that is made in Asia or eastern Europe

[@skleon]

Can the purged members just fork NixOS and continue working on it?

[@bobanmilisavljevic420]

​@@ecoandrei328beats being a drag queen

[@shaunpatrick8345]

@@ecoandrei328 it's the foundation they took, not the code. You can't fork a foundation.

[@shaunpatrick8345]

@@ecoandrei328 that's not a fork. You can't make a clone of the bank account and all the relationships the foundation has.

[@requited2568]

Going by history, the eventual correction of these situations will be interesting.

[@folksurvival]

So you think the good guys will lose again and these types will win again and things will keep getting worse?

[@requited2568]

@@folksurvival I hope they can only pull that trick once. A lot of the young men are learning true history now. Which is the faction that will have the most impact.

[@cordlc]

​@@requited2568 are most of the viewers here in on this... alternate history you speak of?

[@Ferkiwi]

There's still GuixOS, which is also imho much more interestng since it's based on Guile Scheme and part of GNU.

[@kpcraftster6580]

It is, but boy-howdy is it annoying to get packages not in the official repo working.

[@osmano807]

Some still remember the Guix manifesto against RMS. Also, what @kpcraftster6580 said... If someone know something besides nonguix I would like to know.

[@Jupiter__001_]

Is it the one that defaults to using EXWM, or am I imagining things? For EXWM to be practical I think Emacs would need to be rewritten in a more multithreading-aware manner so it doesn't just lock up when you do some things (for example exporting from Org to LaTeX to PDF locks up my Emacs for a few seconds). Either way, using Guile Scheme as a configuration language rather than the hacked-together Nix language seems like a good thing.

[@lian_drake]

@@Jupiter__001_ you can use whatever wm or de you want with it, the only one missing I think it's KDE.

[@mk3suprafy]

We go on denying that there's a mental health issue with people who identify like this, out of a sense of being fair-minded, and then these narcissistic tendencies come out and show themselves, and we say 'it's so insane, how could this have happened?' Because it is insane. You can't just gloss over a problem pretend it's not there and then when the consequences come, we keep denying....

[@elorrambasdo5233]

Or you could look further into the situation instead of taking one person's perspective as gold

[@seapanda-117]

So, which Linux projects aren’t doing this?

[@kpcraftster6580]

laughs in bsd

[@kpcraftster6580]

Lunduke is working on a new linux distro, if you have the time and know-how, it might be worth contributing to that

[@cccpkingu]

Tinycore

[@kpcraftster6580]

AstraLinux also comes to mind

[@piranhaofserengheti4878]

Funny enough.. Oracle.

[@PopsSinging]

Just saw Fedora put out a video on YT about their DEI initiatives...I couldn't stomach but about a couple of minutes of their BS

[@LightningMcCream]

you poor little snowflake :'(

[@MaruAdventurer]

Fork you Trans --literally. Sounds very similar to what happened to the Veritas founder.

[@gregmurdoch3264]

I was banned from a restaurant because, to paraphrase: "I might not be fully accepting of a trans person.". The owner didn't ban me, the security didn't ban me, the lady who got me banned, was a friend of my partner, who puts on drag shows. I offered to come out and SUPPORT HER, as in spend money on drinks and food, and give her a kickback, and she demanded I not go. I showed up anyway, because the place has tasty wings, didn't say one word, literally not one word, my partner ordered for me, and I sat quiet and peaceful. The next day I got an email from the owner saying I was no longer welcome for "transphobic and bigot views". The lady who held the event banned myself and my partner from all her social media. What did I say or do? Nothing! I have never once said anything that would be truly transphobic. To this day, I still can't enter that one restaurant.

[@rhone733]

They're so tolerant that you're either with them or against them.

[@meanmole3212]

What a great coincidence that I never got to familiarize myself with Nix in any way.

[@ozkifovxvypyvp3574]

This is a pretty impressive social hack. Those activists need to be named and shamed, this whole trans stuff is insanity. Who are those board members as well that went along with this stupidity?

[@natalieconnolly7668]

Please don't conflate trans people with the idiots responsible for this.

[@osmano807]

Oh... So... GuixSD forced RMS to step off of FSF, and now Nix "community" does this... I'm starting to believe the conspiracy theories... Maybe start porting impermancence and disko to Guix to leverage at least GPL.

[@All3me1]

I'd like to help

[@alkismavridis1]

From all the forms of toxic, crazy activism, the Ts are the most toxic and most crazy of them all. Speaking from experience.

[@natalieconnolly7668]

you cannot possibly believe all trans people are this way

[@vladgonzalez3325]

This is out of control.

[@balsalmalberto8086]

What's with the weirdos always gravitating towards IT.

[@rhone733]

Programming is inherently an intelligent male-dominated space. They can't create or produce anything of value so they have to worm their way in, seize what men produce, and then ruin it.

[@OrtinFargo]

Why do politics ruin amazing software

[@NerveFlux]

'There will be no politics allowed at the school' 'Opens new school book and political stickers fall out of it'

[@nate32396]

Companies are pivoting away from DEI because it’s hurting their bottom line. I don’t think Linux will because they have no reason to abandon DEI.

[@PaulSpades]

How the duck do these guys keep getting kicked out of their own projects by a bunch of obviously malicious infiltrators?