How LeBron James Ruined NBA Discourse

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[@wp4872]

Solz preparing for historic Celtics slander in the finals: Makes video criticizing NBA slander so he can refer back to this vid when things get heated 😂

[@ebukaiheanacho535]

How is it preparing when its true

[@martophrenia]

@@ebukaiheanacho535 it's a joke dude

[@arielsmoke6441]

Oh, he 100% is.

[@BigSlim4]

W Hedge

[@alexsmith3598]

I mean swishout made the video and Solz is a reactor. But based. Lol

[@CarlosPerez-by9uf]

Lebron had less help than Tatum by year 7.I wouldn’t even put Tatum in this conversation.

[@John-ct9zs]

Tim Duncan was elite over 35

[@arielsmoke6441]

Stephen A and Skip Bayless are the biggest culprits for why these young players receive so much hate when they don't get it done.

[@puncho8799]

I get what you’re saying, but you also have to blame the people that watch those shows that ultimately turned, it into the norm

[@princssnasty]

⁠@@puncho8799 cause greedy network executives and their profit obsessed shareholders kept pushing for more and more reactionary content designed just to stir up controversy and bait ppl into watching

[@princssnasty]

@@puncho8799but if you wanna go even deeper and REALLY get to the root of the problem it’s our entire hyper-capitalist economic system itself lmfao 😅

[@dadillonful]

It’s the boomers and mj fanatics

[@puncho8799]

@@dadillonful You mean it’s the delusional youngsters that are LeBron fans

[@milesoverheaven]

nba media got spoiled by having mj, kobe, and bron all in direct succession and now people think that is the standard even though they are top 3 oat caliber players. people dont have the patience to let careers play out and enjoy basketball and instead want to fill the community with unnecessary toxicity

[@dadillonful]

Do not put Kobe in the same sentence as mj and lebron

[@ElijiahCater-xg9dq]

@@dadillonfulfr

[@sandianexpress1198]

​@@dadillonful why not tho

[@harmanjotsingh4230]

@@dadillonful MJ Bron and Kobe were the successive faces of the NBA like it or not whether great enough to be top three or not

[@KyoshiHonor]

The media ruined how we view superstars, the stupid discourse deliberately done to split opinions and make you like or dislike someone. It happens in all sports. It’s ridiculous

[@dboii9741]

No no no no Brodie. It does happen in all sports but it’s easily the worse in basketball

[@justanobody0]

I feel like Lebron James has a healthier frame of mind about basketball than other people having discussions on basketball "it's just basketball" - lebron James

[@jdunc3789]

​@dboii9741 Facts! I honestly don't think any other professional league is as narrative-driven as the NBA😂

[@edwinwilliams120]

That's apart of sports!! Hell that's just a part of LIFE! Tell me ONE facet of life that EVERYONE agrees on. One thing that everyone on the planet UNANIMOUSLY agrees on? I'll wait..

[@dboii9741]

@@jdunc3789I thank god football isn’t like this because I’d lose it😂

[@JerichoTheCity]

People hate lebron but have subconsciously used him as a ruler to measure the players who come next.

[@tdup191]

Lies, only player compared to Bron was Ben Simmons 😂

[@kiaracuffie7241]

​@tdup191 you clearly missed his point 😂

[@_SayitAintSo]

@@tdup191 jabari parker, andrew wiggins, wemby was slightly, zion was

[@PHXNKVHXLIC]

I’m still waiting on Ben McLemore to get his first ring

[@tdup191]

@@kiaracuffie7241 lol yea I did 😂🤦🏽‍♂️

[@rapgodreloaded9259]

The NBA media's already hating on Anthony Edwards.

[@TheMissiIe]

Good, they need to make up for acting like Edwards was the next Jordan. Which he OBVIOUSLY isn't

[@LeftoverTake]

@@TheMissiIe don’t forget to wipe both sides of your mouth when you’re done

[@jasperking442]

@@LeftoverTakewell he’s right

[@LeftoverTake]

@@jasperking442 name one credible person who said ANT is gunna be better than MJ

[@donmike2810]

​@@LeftoverTakeHes not wrong. YOU make sure u wipe cause edwards kids are all over you.

[@dominicwilliams2660]

The biggest issue with the media is the flip flopping. Everyone blamed Giannis for not winning before he did. Everyone blames joker for not winning before he did. Everyone blamed Lebron for not winning. Now the issue is if you aren’t winning every single year which is literally insane, you’re all of the sudden prone to hate. Ant is getting hate for having bad playoff games rn like he’s not 22 years old. Shit is crazy

[@hellboy30098]

Honestly never i seen a special type of hatred Lebron has had, his career is judged by, not his actions but literally a few sentences. His Miami speech, his barbershop talk about him thinking hes the goat (not even in an nba interview), i think his comment on China that one time, and police brutality. Thats legit it. It took those 4-5 sentences

[@NewWorldDreams47]

Which is crazy. He only said people should not get involved with foreign governmental policies (Hong Kong), because most people talking about it are misinformed. The police brutality was him wanting bad cops out of their jobs and getting the proper punishment for overstepping their boundaries. The other stuff is either irrelevant to basketball, or it's just a petty reason to disguise bias towards Jordan in the GOAT debate. LeBron has given all his critics/haters PTSD over the years 💀

[@tdup191]

​@@NewWorldDreams47 lol he's given his groupies fan base PTSD over losing more championships than he won despite team hoping and recruiting all stars 😂

[@justanobody0]

"it's just basketball" Lebron James I think he's right, people need to chill sometimes maybe people need to own some horses like Jokic

[@hellboy30098]

​@@tdup191homie, i know you're fishing but ill just tell you this. Jordan has the most FMVP in history (since the award's conception) Bron has the second most at 4. PTSD over what????

[@blackanimelover18]

@@tdup191 How is it that you losers always prove everyone's point every you open your mouths?

[@ocanaldojj]

Magic got the FMVP as a rookie so he is the standard for "damn, this rookie is already a HOF" Giannis is probably the one that made everyone change the clock from 28-29 to 25 because he was so dominant around that age and was doing so much before he met Toronto and Kawhi in the ECF that people wanted to see if he could do it JT was in the ECF (competetent team and front office) as a rookie and had Jaylen Brown with him from the get go so we assumed they were getting a chip before their 25-26 because any decent pieces around them would have made them legit contenders if not frontrunners Jokic got that stigma from the media once he got hos 2nd MVP cause he got to the WCF and all but wasn't the leader of the winniest team in the regular season or getting chips so the "is he that good or is he a regular season guy?" thing came around I hope the media accept that multiple teams can be good and decent around the same timeframe so we don't bash young stars for not being Lebrons and Jordans as soon as they are 22 (cause they weren't reaching ECF by that time either)

[@almightylambo9540]

This definitely started Before Lebron, yall gotta remember the narratives pushed against Bron even before he went to miami, the criteria people use to discredit young players just shifted slightly, it was already there for sure

[@3DSDF]

Exactly. Folks kept comparing LeBron to Jordan and Kobe. “If you wanna win a ring, pick Kobe”

[@snakexpert552]

Another thing about basketball discourse is that casuals don't actually want parity. Greatness and dominance is entertaining, the KD warriros had insane viewership nunbers despite fams saying those playoffs were boring mowadays. LeBron was plowing through the East yet all eyes were always on him.

[@parikshitrao4208]

100% this, the bucks and the nuggets winning were cute. But those 2022 warriors numbers hit different

[@Augrills]

Parity is boring. I want to watch someone dominate

[@roscoeorginal]

10:55 this perfectly explains how the NBA community functions. People want to make a loss be the biggest mark on a players legacy, but never want to put the proper context around the loss. Not to mention, if said player loses then it just gives people the opportunity to hate and have conformation bias. I am not saying we should excuse every player for their failures but let’s move away from surface level conversations.

[@justanobody0]

well then when Phoenix lost at home by 50 in a game 7 should've marked Devin Booker forever but no one was talking about it like a week later Denver, the defending champs, lose game 1 at home, which is bad for the home team, and one would think they're in a bad spot, they'll show up at game 2 at home they're down by 25 or something at the half, down 31 early in the 3rd you'd think that'd mark the Nuggets forever, but when they win 3 games straight, no one is talking about that they lose game 6 by 50, and all I'm seeing is comments saying Denver is gonna win game 7

[@roscoeorginal]

@@justanobody0 at the end of my comment, I even said we shouldn’t excuse every player or failure because there are instances like you mentioned with the Devin Booker situation of the 50 points which is just embarrassing. What I want is for the NBA community to put the lose in proper context with for instance the Denver Nuggets series against the Timberwolves. People would rather say “Denver Sucks ass” and hate on Jokic for losing but really putting in context, the Wolves are a great defensive team with several switchable bigs that can defend Jokic such as Naz Reid, Rudy and KAT. The Timberwolves team was arguably built to defeat Denver with its versatile defenders and defensive scheme. Thats what I want to see more of, instead of surface level takes.

[@TheJohnWick1]

People like to hate, i understand he didn't win all of them but 8 straight finals is insane, plus 2 other random appearances

[@vegetia]

Bruh, who was in the east during those finals appearances to challenge him? Stop it.

[@TheJohnWick1]

@@vegetia Boston (KG Ray Paul Rando), Pacers (PG Roy Hibbert Lance Danny Granger) Bulls (Rose Noah Deng), plus other teams like Knicks (Melo Amare) Raptors (Demar Lowry), other versions of Boston from (IT era) to (Tatum Brown) Hawks in 2015 had 4 allstars, I'm not saying it was the toughest conference ever, but let's not act like he didn't face any good teams, no one else has been able to get back to the finals 2 times in a row let alone 8 (Bucks, Boston, Heat) Let's not act like it's an easy thing to do, you stop it.

[@Ghost-rb6cw]

​@@TheJohnWick1 facts tell him again.

[@JaySwavo]

@@vegetiato say who was in the east to challenge him but damn near every year he was the underdog in some of the playoff matchups. Games going to Game 6 & 7 people talking about Bron is gonna get eliminated. And now that he has the 8 straight finals to his name yall wanna call the east weak. Go back and do ya research on all the playoff postgames from 2011-2018. I hate when yall try to make talk narrative seem valid

[@Zythroxes]

​@@vegetiawho was on 2018 cavs? That run does lebron the most justice when it comes to working with a subpar roster and taking them to the finals even if it was a weak east his team was a weaker team than those "weak east" teams

[@dboii9741]

It’s honest sad and annoying how nba media and discourse has ruined people’s perspective of basketball. I’m honestly on some bullshit with hoops like I’m not gonna talk about hoops with a lot of people😂

[@goatbrook9065]

100 percent agree, everyones nba career is different, stop expecting someones career to be like someone elses, its not gonna be , its gonna be their own

[@JayDaMan420]

Tbh I think it all started with Hating and tryna downplay what Lebron did in his career.. think about it these superstar criticisms: Made the finals but didnt win, cant get the job done Lost best teammates to injury n lost, not good enough to win Scored 30 sum with a dbl dbl or triple dbl, empty stats, no impact Plays amazing but teammate does too or makes a clutch bucket, Carried by ur Robin Losing games to “inferior teams”, not a serious contender In my opinion it all goes back to how people would try n tear down what lebron accomplished

[@TSierra]

Sounds like Skip to me lol. Tearing down a player and when the player accomplishes something great, “this doesn’t count” “this means nothing” blah blah blah

[@tnsxpm]

6:00 It isn't moving me bro. He played all 82 games once in hospital entire career. He was on a cake walk to the finals every year just like Tatum.

[@tewulf4094]

Well this argument shouldn’t be just Tatum. All players in the east whether it’s injuries or talent have an extremely easy road these days even compared to the Lebron East dominant era. The east have the lowest winning percentage since for however long. Don’t get me wrong lebrons era wasn’t that great either but you have a conference finals of bloody Indiana Pacers in their first proper year with their star player? Cmon now

[@tnsxpm]

@@tewulf4094 Didn't lebron have a "showdown" against the Pacers with Lance Stephenson giving him problems for multiple games?

[@tewulf4094]

@@tnsxpm Problems? Maybe if you look at some highlight plays of lance rather than watching full games. Even so it’s not like Lebron is NEVER gonna have a bad play/bad game. Lebron will just have a lot less of those bad plays/bad games than your favourite player

[@YeyoMartinez04]

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[@joejett5084]

The issues isn’t that certain players setting a high standard but haters pushing a narrative rooted in elevating their favorite player. Find out a person’s favorite player and have them …no no no. Ask people who’s the top 10 all time without putting lebron, jordan and Kobe on the list. You’ll start to see who really knows basketball or is a hater.

[@ineveryuniverse3953]

Absolutely right here, I swear so many conversations take the tone of people making their choice then arguing against the opposing views by bashing the other candidate’s achievements/talent/etc. As for that test of people’s top 10s’s without Bron, MJ, or Kobe, I don’t think that sets the difference between knowing ball and being a hater. However, I do think that’d a good way to figure out the fan’s mindset and method of ranking (so in a way their level of knowing ball). Idea does sound cool though, even I don’t know what’d my list look like.

[@SomeGoodBroth]

22:25 bro solz it’s literally Lebron Fans. I see sooooooo many Lebron fans saying “Well Lebron was in the finals at his age in 2007, so he’ll never be better than Bron” type shit. They literally did it with Ant, Luka, Giannis, Jokic, mfs were saying “how much help does Ant need?” Like cmon

[@madding0279]

I feel like timeline is 7-10 years which most players prime years unless your Hakeem or Dirk in win it in there 30’s as the guy on there but those are outliers similar to lebron making the finals 8 straight years.

[@midnightlumina7]

Not being said: Making Superteams with the main talents from the same Conference will lead to two other teams losing their significance. See: Toronto and Cleveland losing their significance after Lebron and Bosh are lost. You essentially strip both the Atlantic and Southeast division of high-end teams. So yeah. Stop hiding that.

[@iamsheron7408]

Jordan had the blessing of a media landscape that was more patient with his career.

[@JaySwavo]

That’s why they think he’s so perfect

[@dadillonful]

That and the fact he played against plumbers

[@FGBduck6]

They criticized Jordan before he started winning back then. What r u talking about

[@iamsheron7408]

@@FGBduck6 I know they did but they didn’t go as hard today considering the lack of social media. Again more patient not no criticism

[@FGBduck6]

@@iamsheron7408 i dont think the patience ur talking about was "intended" to be patient. It only seemed patient bcuz the media wasnt so prominent back then compared to today. The criticism wasnt broadcasted on everyones phone as it is today. The Internet wasnt in everyones face all day everyday. I mean news papers was peoples media for god sake. If Jordan had cell phones in his era, hed be criticized just as much as everyone else today.

[@itsJustJose]

I think the increasing standard for winning thing is based off of the expectation that the pace of a climb to the top of the mountain is supposed to follow a pattern close to Jordan/Bron as an individual where in the first 6-7 yrs there is a moment where you introduce your brand as one of the best in the world by overcoming formidable contending opponents and then have to break through shortly after 2-3 years after. Ex: Jordan with his Celtics performance and then overcoming the Pistons. Bron was the Pistons series, then losing in the Finals to the Spurs and then 2011 set the stage for his breakthrough.

[@justanobody0]

so did Michael Jordan ruin nba discourse too

[@toxicmelody6228]

I blame Jordan fans, they can't get over their Era. Jordan was the GOAT of his Era, Kobe of his, and LeBron of his. Just get over it oldheads

[@Ashton30000]

i think the nba media changed the young chip winning culture the over pushing of JT to win everyseason even when super young and when he shouldn't of cause there have been better teams and this year should of been JT first real push from the media well apart from 2022

[@yeayea3874]

the worst thing u can do as bball player is be a elite score first 6’4-6’6 wing

[@YoMrRice]

The under thirties kill me. Basketball parity was not first achieved in this era. Dynasties dont exist now because of the extreme level of team hopping going on today. Duncan did not win every year. Why? Because Kobe, Lebron, Dirk, etc is why. I think e ery generation makes excuses for the top guys in their era but this generation in by far the worst.

[@k-rockplays]

Yea I’m ngl I’m not arguing with any jhits when I reach unc status cuz ain’t no way you finna tell me bron era was weak cuz he was he best player for like a decade

[@amazonfinds9157]

NBA media is all about comparisons now

[@appetizerssushi7121]

What doesn't help is that the media at the start of every season is that the MVP has already chosen who the MVP is going to be without the season playing out. Jokic should have no more than 2 MVP's like Giannis

[@justanobody0]

so who should have gotten MVP and some pundits will argue that a player needs to have the best record in the league to get MVP, and they really emphasize record. So they were saying Shai is the only choice, even though I think the Nuggets had the same number of wins lol ok I'm talking about Gilbert Arenas, but the weird thing is, he's saying record is everything, and OKC's 57 wins means automatic MVP, and Denver's 57 wins means no MVP but the whole time he's ignoring the team with the most regular season wins, which was Boston

[@agayactornamedmichaeldougl6289]

​@@justanobody0Luka was robbed...

[@OGDynasty]

I don't get why some people have an issue with Dynasties not being a thing right now. I like now knowing who's going to win every single year.

[@SmootchieWallace-vl7wd]

No single player started the trend of rushing timelines for guys to win. I just think in the world today, people are so quick to compare players to other all time greats (ie ant and jordan) that they want to see them get there faster and win to justify the comparison or tear it down

[@amazonfinds9157]

The media is just going extreme on every slight favoured conversation

[@m60g77]

Bsolz = goat

[@zell2626]

Dudes eliminated again. Can we not talk about him?

[@kingangel3252]

Why are you here then? Eat a Frank and enjoy the content

[@zell2626]

@@kingangel3252 I wanna talk playoffs, not a dude in Cancun

[@renediffie]

I think you are over analyzing it. It's not down to one player. It's just the media having found out that extreme takes are all that matters. A player has to be the best or the worst. Not some middleground as that doesn't generate headlines and clicks.

[@g.o.a.tjames8861]

22:25 Shaq was 23yrs old his 1st Finals Appearance, Kobe 21yrs old, Bron 22yrs old... legends making the NBA Finals at a young age kinda "sets the bar or standard" for future stars like Tatum, Luka, Edwards❗️

[@thedepresseddog6035]

Don't forget about magic, kareem, and kd

[@jozsva8064]

Lebalco is on the gear Downlow thats why he has the longevity stats.

[@texmex1210]

The east was trash, even more when LBJ had the big three. The east is trash once again. A west 7 seed is a 3rd seed in the east.

[@blnk2227]

Still losing is a$$ i dont care how many times you made it to final as long as you win the chip thats what matters..those who won championships are the goats

[@Slyme1big]

Lebron James multimedia conglomerate and the force feed narrative that they create is what ruins the discord. Also using players from other eras you don’t respect to discredit other legends from other era to fit a narrative that’s definitely nasty work.😂 Prime example: Robert horry has 7 championships he better than Jordan or bill Russell has 11 So by that logic Steve Kerr is better than steph ?? Knowing those guys not even in their top 100 and they think the era trash 😂 Make it make sense 😂

[@aashray536]

Average level of talent in NBA is probably the highest it has ever been. Top end talent in the NBA right now is more on the weaker side. We have nearly 5 players who are all 34 or older in the top 10. Lebron, Steph, KD, Kobe, Shaq. These guys had to beat WAY MORE elite talent than someone like Jokic or ant or Luka needs to. Most of the 23-29 year olds have direct competitors who are all either out of their prime or pretty close to the end. Prime Shaq is easily maintaining a 4-5 year stretch of being the best player against the top talent of the current league. The same goes for Lebron, the same goes for Steph. The same goes for KD. We are using this "talent is at an all time high" statement as a crutch to discredit the truly special, the true greats of the game. Just think about it. How many of the next generation guys are in their prime? Tatum - maybe. Luka- might finally be getting there?. SGA- nah. ANT - hell nah.

[@gorcsauce696]

Clerics had clearly best roster if Tatum was actually that guy like bron Steph Tatum would at least have 4 straight finals and 1 ring but he fraud lol

[@Fmjworld]

If you make the playoffs 8 straight times but your conference was the worst everyone history.Michael Jordan couldn't walk through that.Charles Barkley couldn't walk through that.Trace of a Grady couldn't walk through that.Amazing

[@Costelloworld]

This is the curse of LBJ via MJ fans...all the things that ppl used to try to discredit wht LBJ was/had done...and because there was very little push back to these claims...now the same ppl that want/wanted to make his accomplishment s reg/ok/basic are still having the conversation with other players ...to look back on his accomplishments it's nuts..like he said this isn't normal...again...because ppl were trying to stop other for seeing how crazy this guy really is ...they want the league to be like MJ forgetting that MJ didn't win all the time also

[@FGBduck6]

The media just keeps pushing stories. Thats what ruined it. They always gotta chase the "top" story. Anything for views. And ppl actually listen to these guys. Not to mention favoritism from the fans when they want their "goat" to be ahead of another. No player should be compared to an all time player until they can prove theyre on their level. Why is ant being compared to jordan already? Dude hasnt won anything. Just appreciate who ANT is now. And let his game speak for itself. Fans need to let other modern players game speak for themselves. Ppl boost players into the Goat spotlight wayyyyy to quickly.

[@DrZachyboi]

I think it’s because theres like 7 mvp level guys in the league and if any one them has an over performing or slipping supporting cast against another mvp level guy they’re probably losing. Also coming off an era with minimal parity lebrons run just looks ridiculous. Not that most would have the durability to last the entire decade in the finals but put an all timer in that conference not named LeBron on a decent team they’re going like 7 or 8 times themselves. Bro imagine Luka doncic’s toughest comp being rookie Jayson Tatum or playoff dropping demar. The east would be cooked all the same

[@andiemali4841]

22:55 you're buggin there's been a All-Time Greats need a championship by Age 27 standard since Jordan 24:05 again you're tweaking Magic had the most success right out the gate: finals mvp as a rook

[@emfbat]

Guys there is not denying the fact that lebron james was the best player in the league ...in my eyes since 2011. He did made 8 straight finals. But various things hurt the appreciation of that accomplishment. 1- michael jordan comoarisons...matter of fact welcomed by lebron himself. And 2- the reality of the conference problems when there were years of that run that lebron was the only all nba 1st team player in the east and all other 4 were slaying each other in the west just to make the finals. I would give more validity to his greatness if he was doing that from the west or if the east would have been stronger. The problem is the media and fans. All that bottled up ire lebron fans held inside from the abused when lebron loses makes fans desperate to see their guy succeed and they are quick to let it out before things are over and lebron loses once again and they keep getting the abuse even harder. Then their king comeback from 3-1 down...never veen done before just to ho 1-8 in the next 2 finals. And kept getting the abused. But I tell you what I came to the realization that the media and lebron stans need to go back to a time where people understood that being the best was never about being the best. Being the best is about WINNING. It is ok that the crown keeps being passed around. The best player in the champion should get all the love and be crowned the best player. Luka and tatum are in that quest Right Now. It is ok to not be michael jordan.

[@tayfattz2272]

News Flash we all are different. The GOAT is a mythical title . You can’t compare eras because they are in fact different. The NBA is not more talented because each era played different rules . The NBA is an entertainment league that specializes in basketball.

[@vectory674]

11:41 here. This is the problem. You want excuses for losses to a point where you diminish winning. And they did that for Lebron but probably others too (Lebron is the most glaring example to clarify) If we want to stay consistent, we should stop acting like making the finals is easy. Lebron is an anomaly and had a East conference that wasn't really stacked but still. And let's state that once and for all : winning the finals is harder ! And this also play against those who lose because this is a competition!

[@TheLivewire18]

I feel like in sports, especially when it comes to talk media, we forget there’s only 1 champion every year. Meaning everyone’s season will likely end in failure, basically every year. We choose to focus too much on the failure part forgetting that the journey is the point.

[@SonicBoomC98]

I saw his video, and I disagree with some of his points. He tried to say Lebron was so good that we have unfair expectations of everyone else. I don't agree. I think they're very critical of anyone other than Lebron. They have their favorites. If they like you they always praise you, if they don't they nitpick everything. He basically tried to say Lebron was so good in the East, that everyone has unrealistic expectations now.

[@HopsinThaGoat]

It’s sooo F’n annoying seeing both mainstream media and KZbinrs alike whose only way of making content is by “Who can be the most hyperbolic” with EVERY game the winners are “LEGENDS” and whoever loses are “FRAUUUDS” like STFU where did the adult takes go? Why is everything so damn extra and hateful?

[@jalenmanhertz4933]

I'd say the mid 2000's heat with Shaq and Wade really pushed the narrative of winning early in your career as a star since the 06 finals was Shaq's 2nd year in Miami and the original plan was that they were supposed to have a 3 year championship window

[@daquandavis5498]

Being a baseball guy I find it hilarious how yall Basketball fans talk about ur sports past and specific eras 🤣🤣… like listening to a bunch of lil kids argue on the way to lunch

[@MJisAGlorifiedDemarDerozen]

People are forgetting how good prime Bron really was because these last few years… but that mf was insane

[@Dryltd]

No. People were Suspicious of the Bubble because of the 3 month rest at the time. Whoever won was going to get ripped. If you forgot that. That's on you.

[@2dBlux]

Part of the problem is the general "fluke run" logic people love to run with. Win any major accolade once, even if it was the literal hardest road, people won't respect it till you do it again.

[@IbrahimAl-Khwarizmi]

Magic actually won a chip his rookie season as a star at 20, but nobody expects that. Also generational bigs are not common like kareem or shaq 😂😂😂😂

[@ZilchFukaina]

22:26 🗣🗣🗣🗣; I think its LeBron's career that started it with the media pushing these expectations justifying them from using the idea of Kobe's career in hindsight (if that makes sense). I think it was really ESPN that started passively and now blatantly pushing that shit in general. I also believe they're starting to do it with Wemby saying he needs to "Win Now" after his rookie season. Doesn't seem like the most popular opinion right now but I really think they should let a core with a similar timeline develop around Wemby with maybe a couple tweaks here and there but nothing too crazy. Maybe not trade for Trae Young and give him a pg that can play a little fucking defense too.

[@JoeMama-tl4tr]

Yeah Lebron made it so everyone thought going to back to back finals was easy. Celtics haven’t even done that after 8 conference

[@demonyuske713]

Nah the timeline convo started woth bron with skip bayless hating theres a old clip of when bron finally won with miami and skip argued how it doesnt matter cuz he took longer then jordan

[@slimfo378]

I blame all the people claiming ant was the next MJ hhahahaha, all the ant hate now is deserved

[@Costelloworld]

The media put the time line on players and it started with MJ and folks saying you are a bust if you have any hype behind you and you DONT win a chip in yr 7 like Mike did

[@MrReganomics1]

None of it is LeBron fault. They all loved him until he had the audacity to remember he was black.. that's when the hate train got rolling

[@saldoug7467]

It’s not the talent level , it’s the collective bargaining agreement . The CBA was designed to create parody.

[@EmmanuelAniTheSchism]

@ 11:51 the reason why slander comes depends on the team. If you are someone like the Boston Celtics a lot of the time you are favored and you let everyone who favored you down in previous years, so that is why you get slandered. Not saying that it's right, because there has to be building blocks in play for a solid team to become a dynasty and I think Boston is in that right direction, but it is what it is

[@jaydenwilliams4922]

The bubble narrative switch up is when things started to peak at the bottom cause media and players are capping they ass off about how they felt about the bubble

[@freakinchris]

I think wat it really is everyone wanna be Skip this man literally made millions for hating on one person for like 10 plus years and everyone tries to do that it’s easy to hate then actually watch and use ur brain so dumb

[@provide_r]

It's a culmination fr a little bit of Magic, a lil Jordan, a little LBJ. All 3 of their careers have aspects most compare to modern players. How quick magic got a ring and mvp, Jordan with mvps and rings and how he a checked it. And lebron for longevity sake and also all previous examples

[@raaraa5058]

All this video really tells me is that MJ and LBJ are just different bro. I don’t care what order you have them in, but that’s top 2. Hands down. Same goes for like Kareem, Kobe, Magic, Shaq. We gotta stop excepting other niggas to be them. It’s just not gonna happen with how good players seem to be getting these days.

[@Ghost-rb6cw]

I think we need to stop comparing players that played in different era's at this point. I mean just take a look in each era how harder it's getting to win.

[@2kfit628]

Mike started the winning at year 7 everyone wants your career to mirror Mike in order to be the goat and it’s a false narrative.

[@wassimakram4143]

nba media is daily so they put out a lotta narratives and reactionary takes to keep up viewership and have clips to post i do agree that the tendancy to turn on stars is insane

[@jacobwilkins8761]

Regarding winning early... Tim Duncan won in his second and sixth years.

[@justanordinaryguy658]

Actually think DWade would be closer to what you were looking for at the end

[@2Good2BeTrue45]

A video that is literally a Lebron James apologist/glaze fest is NOT proper evidence for that man's point. Lebron consistently underperformed, despite the loft expectations he HIMSELF put out to the world. Yes the media were desperate to make him the next Michael Jordan but he also bought into that hype, despite the fact the man could never deliver on that. Lebron comparing himself to Jordan and having his acolytes in the media speak for him to kwep stirring that debate. Lebron is stat padding for the last few years of his career after that fake bubble championship.

[@blackanimelover18]

Aside from 2010 and 2011, when did LeBron ever underperform? Also, when most people said he was the next Jordan they meant he was the next face of the league and Mt Rushmore player....and that's exactly what he's been in his career. But who am I kidding, you're an idiot that just hates LeBron. Nothing I say is gonna get through to you.

[@feetonland6609]

Y’all just wake up and blame everything on lebron lol

[@riikyricardo]

NBA discourse has taught me that parents shouldn’t give their kids phones till 16

[@95BashLC]

tired of nba youtubers complaing about thngs that they also do lmao

[@hembloop3072]

Ngl, a goat candidate that will come from the WEST wimply a hard objectivebecause how unpredictable it is. The east has show that it is more consistent in playoffs

[@MHScald]

Tell that to boston, its looks easy, but its not. Boston being the clear no 1 every year only came out of the east once the time of this comment.

[@3DSDF]

Solz…slander’s been around even during MJ’s years. Folks were smoking that pack when the Bad Boys lost. And they were praying that MJ’s Bulls would lose.

[@alieucamara8525]

POV: Y’all took Prime LeBron for granted

[@gamewizard-y9n]

It's Brons fault...he's even about to start ww3.

[@jmad01]

The rush started with Lebron. When he didn't win in year 7 everybody called him a fraud.

[@Flameville]

I think people associate that time period with players primes? So maybe then they expect a player to achieve the most they can achieve in that time frame in order to judge their greatness?

[@stevelumumbashabazzz5087]

Lebron gets blame for everything.

[@bcflavor]

Lebrons career like it’s the greatest. Lmao gtfoh

[@lengendaryfettygaming2709]

It’s about damn time-lebron

[@DarkGabrial]

Magic Johnson, how do you forget Magic Johnson

[@peshlegen8037]

I remember it vividly people were under minding the bubble championship as it was happening. It was a pretty eventful part of my life so fortunately my memory is able to linger on some of the conversations I had during the different events then and I can say without a doubt as the entire playoffs were happening people were saying this “this one doesn’t count”

[@fullmetal1766]

Golden state isn't the greatest team ever assembled

[@ronaldwilliams9635]

Ur a baby if u wasnt there for kobe 8 to 24 era💯

[@JtheLionheart]

The Jokic Era is going to transition into the Wemby Era

[@justanobody0]

Jokic era with just 1 championship? was there a Shaq era? a Tim Duncan era? they had way more than just 1 chip

[@KAI-jl1ph]

@@justanobody0There’s parity in the nba now, back to back finals is hard

[@Keepit_100]

Lebron hate is getting exposed

[@tomin9]

just subscribed. i think your takes aren't too absurd and its actually grounded, keep your enthusiasm to basketball and content creation 💪💯

[@BlueGrovyle]

23:20 I don't know if I'd say it's any one player whose discourse started this phenomenon, but it's definitely more highly correlated with years in the league than age, and even further correlated with time in the spotlight. It's the MVPs before rings that really do it: Bron, KD, Giannis, Jokic, etc. Curry didn't go through that specific criticism because he won the same year he got his first MVP, but every other "number 1 guy" to win the award since has gotten that criticism, imo. I didn't mention Westbrook and Harden cuz I think they're not held to the same standard as the guys I did mention. Embiid is there too, but he's a strange case because he hasn't even made a conference finals and he's already 30.

[@TeguhNugrahaPratama]

Lebron, Giannis and Jokic won 2 MVPs before they finally got their rings. Westbrook, Harden, Embiid and KD only won one, so the narratives are not really the same. I also don't remember KD got the same treatment as those 2 times winners, because Lebron was still considered a better overall players of their position at that time.

[@BlueGrovyle]

@@TeguhNugrahaPratama The narratives may not be as egregious, but they're still there, especially for KD since he was the best of all of those mentioned to win only one. After all, I did say that they're held to a lower standard. I don't think being the best at your position is what qualifies a player for that discussion historically, though, because the narratives definitely did exist for KD. I think that much is clear, given how much people talk about his insecurities with the media. Would he have gone to Golden State if not for those things? I personally doubt it.