BTS DDAENG Plagiarized? / BLACKPINK Nurse Outfit Criticized / Korean Legend Singer CB [DK NEWS]

[@DKDKTV]

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[@vilesleftnostril.4704]

May I ask what happened to the BP review? Sadly I wasn't able to attend the premiere (or was it a live?) and it wasn't accessible afterwards D:

[@DKDKTV]

@@vilesleftnostril.4704 IT WAS BLOCKED :(

[@vilesleftnostril.4704]

@@DKDKTV what a pity :( I was very interested. What would be the exact reason to take a review down? Ed: or, more correctly, BLOCK IT?

[@debbiewan1733]

@@DKDKTV I missed it :( I hope you guys upload your take on the album. Been actually waiting for your review and reaction.

[@hellostranger2012]

a suggestion if u could increase the size of news ticker.. below

[@jordan180]

“Borrowed” my foot. If you’re “borrowing” or “taking influence” you better pay the royalties for it. J-hope paid 2.7 million dollars for chicken noodle soup, but this dude just takes what he wants. It probably won’t even go anywhere but at least people know. 😄

[@rabbitlove1785]

Oh wow I knew he bought the rights but I had no idea it was almost 3mill dollars!😯

[@ejentabi]

Totally agreed. "Borrow" is you asked if the owner let you so. If really for local culture sake, I believe BTS would let you use it at a very low price. But this guy published the song without permition, that is considered "stealing".

[@thea.25]

Ikr. They didn't even issue an apology. So embrarassing.

[@Karen-ib4wf]

"Borrowing" entails permission and agreement with the OG owner. Thatcrapper is dumb-dumb.

[@MegaNoGusta]

There was some dumbass making an excuse for the idiot saying “It’s a Filipino version, not a copy.” I don’t think people know what “version” means lmao

[@Yeonbin]

we do not claim skusta clee, flow g and everyone who is excusing this plagiarism in the name of "supporting local music" so i hope others dont have a bad view of filipinos bc of this

[@aegiyahedits]

we have lots of Filipino Artists that we can really be proud of and they are not included..

[@ppjskh]

I like OC Dawgs, Pauwi Nako is a *boppp!* 💖

[@almightybonbon]

@@aegiyahedits exaclty. We got moira, ben and ben, bamboo, lea salongga, we freakin got SB19. Man, fine that bish ass plagiarised son of a bish. I dont mind him going to jail. I dont even listen to his musics. Or his "borrowed" music

[@aegiyahedits]

@@almightybonbon same here.. i don't listen to them.. i saw some comments that they even have songs that sexualizes women.. don't want to sound so rude but they are a disgrace to some great Filipino Hip Hop artists that we have like the late master rapper Francis M.

[@almightybonbon]

@@aegiyahedits if im not mistaken, napagkwentuhan namin ng mga tropa ko to because he cheated on his ex gf.

[@soraa98]

I dont see a problem with jennie's outfit but if so many nurses have spoken up about it and said they feel offended I'm not gonna tell them they're wrong either. thats all I have to say about it.

[@AB-rl8iz]

Exactly - this is the right attitude and Danny’s reaction was probably the worst one anyone could have. If someone says something is wrong, we listen to them and figure out why. We don’t dismiss them and tell them to look the other way like Danny did. Incredibly angry at his comments here

[@jacklordacosta7949]

I agree with you.

[@SuperAmaku]

Yeah, the problem is exactly that it's depicting a nurse. If it was any other skirt/dress with a head dress and heels, it'd be completely fine and a cool outfit. But exactly BECAUSE it's a nurse outfit, the whole issue of nurses being objectified and their professional skills undermined (like in many female jobs) becomes very real. She could've worn a sexy outfit with regular kpop idol performance clothes and the issue wouldn't be there, because context matters. Those comments from netizens and Danny really make fighting for female rights in everyday world harder :// those nurses made a lot of points that affect their daily lives and work life, and their job is being belittled while they get harassed by patients

[@delarosamarjoriem.3639]

I see the problem with Jennie's outfit,, the lyrics mentioned doctor, so why is she wearing a nurse outfit?? Didn't yg get the memo that there are female doctors? And as a nursing student, I understand and feel offended too,, and it's not just because of the sexual objectification but also the people who are defending and saying "it isn't that serious" or "just don't watch it",, because they will never know the pain and disrespect nurses feel.

[@Rhaaaaaaans]

I think its not men who sexualize Jennie its probably girls lmao

[@rawtbith]

You can keep the stolen song, I can write another, unlike others. - Yoongi

[@jeensjaams9933]

if Korean nurses are sick of being sexualized in a country that has trouble prosecuting sexual crime to any proper degree, i think their complaints are justified. if the Korean justice system somehow overnight starts taking its sexual assault victims seriously, then maybe there will be a more chill, lenient audience and there won't be as much of a backlash/negative feedback. as much as kpop is becoming more mainstream in the global arena, i do think the Korean entertainment industry still have a responsibility if they don't want to alienate their home audience. *edited for typo

[@Trkive]

its crazy anyone even has to say that. Its 2020 ffs. the whole ass nurses association felt some type of way- maybe they should listen instead of thinking its a cue to start the debate. ugh.

[@molly-mann5059]

Why bring Korea into it every country has very low prosecution rates for sexual crimes and victims are never taken seriously, this is a global issue

[@LiLi-zm3ge]

👏🏼👏🏼

[@lobaetoile8440]

That is a great point that I didn't consider that way...

[@shameonyou1681]

I agree tbh but I think the issue is far more complicated. It's like yeah the scene wasn't explicitly sexual and the intentions were probably just like oh lets make Jennie look pretty in this costume as it fits the scene but we have to acknowledge that jobs that are seen as being mostly women are always severely objectified that's why there are always sexy nurse, maid, teacher, etc. costumed during Halloween and that is essentially what she is wearing in the MV. I think despite all this though, the fact that there is an attack specifically on Jennie is very odd and the severity of what is being said to her is insane....Blaming one person for something that is systemic is very pointless and it's obvious though who is critical of the costume's use and who is just like finding and excuse to be rude to a woman (which is very ironic given the circumstances). Also just on a final note I agree that if things actually changed for how women were treated they wouldn't be mad and this applies to basically all issues of objectification and appropriation. Most of the time when people don't understand these issues it's because they are just ignoring how the offended group is treated. They even say in the video that nurses don't wear those kinds of costumes so it's clear the clothes aren't the problem but rather how society views women in general and it's so weird all these ppl are just fighting them and it's very telling that a lot seem to be men 😒

[@nanditam8021]

I am a doctor in India. And yes I feel many a times nurses profession has been belittled and they have been portrayed sexually. They are professionals who are properly trained for their jobs...they do not deserve this disrespect...neither in my country nor somewhere else...

[@kebbobebop]

I think what Danny said about “firefighters wouldn’t feel sexualized” does not hold up. We are talking about women who have experienced being sexualized multiple times over while in the profession. It is like a maid’s costume, where it is sexualizing a profession due to the nature of “being cared for by a woman.” When a woman is in that position to be taking care of someone, they are harassed often. I don’t think YG has to “take responsibility,” but I do think these nurses’ feelings are warranted! If you feel differently, don’t harass others, but build your argument using your logic! Thanks:)

[@ammaranuar2544]

Media depiction doesn't equate to sexual misconduct between individuals. Anyone with a brain can distinguish the difference between fiction and reality. The nurses' opinions are meaningless because the intention of the depiction in the music video is completely unrelated to the actual profession of a nurse nor does it have any intention of being an accurate representation either. It only acts as a visual for the lyrics of the song, irrelevant to actual nurses in real life.

[@kristinnekriss]

So, theres the logic: Delete this scene sounds like punish women/potential victims instead the men who cant keep their d*cks inside their pants. Women have the right to be respected whatever the clothes they wear.

[@95Emink]

yeah that comment from Danny really pissed me off, it's a whole separate issue. We KNOW nurses get harassed by patients. Imagine the trauma and the effort and the risk they have put into the general public this year, and we can't even give them this?

[@kebbobebop]

Mariana Lee Yes! Women (or anyone) can wear whatever the eff they want and it doesn’t warrant harassment!

[@95Emink]

As a sidenote Danny: things like this normalises sexualisation of women in the workforce. Same way sexy school girl outfits normalises sexualisation of school girls. And if you think that's a reach you should really feel what it's like being a woman.

[@maryss5022]

I'm a nurse, and i can tell you that sexual objectification of nurses is a real thing that affects us every day at work. I'm from london- where it's not that bad but i can still see it happening around me. I can't imagine how hard it is for nurses in korea, my heart goes out to all of the brave nurses that deal with sexual objectification and sexual assult.

[@asdfghjkl-oo7lv]

Your hard work is appreciated. Thank you!

[@aminahali1380]

but u dont get it ygs or at least jennies intentions weren't about sexualizing the outfit it explains the lyircs *no doctor could help when im love sick* and in korea not a single nurse has a problem is the antis that are creating a big problem idk if ur a kpop stan or at least a blink but that's a big problem in the fandom antis love to drag blackpik for no reason in the scene jennie is love sick and has mental problems after her heart being broken and shes a nurse tryna help jennie pls stop spreading information u don't know i agree with u about the nurse sexualizing but that wasn't blackpinks intention

[@nicoleshh]

@@aminahali1380 if it was only representing the lyrics then why didn’t they dress her like a doctor?

[@zuko_24568]

I sympathize with you on this, but to be fair it has nothing to do with this particular video. The sexualization of nurses in the media is a real issue, but nothing of that sorts happened in this video. There was nothing sexual about this scene, her outfit, or the lyrics. It’s actually so sad that some people viewed it that way. They are sexualizing Jennie for being in a nurses’ outfit, how does that make any sense? How does that help nurses to delete the scene?

[@zuko_24568]

Nicole what difference does that make? If you view jennie in an appropriate outfit with nothing revealing showing, then its a problem with your mindset if you view it as sexual. Why can’t women just wear what they want?

[@Rose-lb9hd]

I don’t think males realise how traumatic sexual harassment is and how scary it is for women who have a job that deals with people on a daily basis. Nurses get sexually harassed so often to the point that they had to change their outfit to not get sexualised. I completely understand their point of view because constant sexualisation of their profession makes them more prone to sexual harassment. It’s sad how people dismiss their feelings because they feel it interferes with art , it’s sad that people don’t even try to understand because they don’t have to deal with stuff like this !

[@smarthae6649]

Like you said it's really sad that is should be us women who need to change our outfits or feel uncomfortable wearing our uniforms to not be scared or sexually harrassed. I totally understand the nurses who feel offended by it, and it's their right to be, they are the ones going through it. Personally I don't think that it' s an outfit problem but the people who are sexualizing this profession are the ones who need to be ashamed and punished for their fu**ed up mindset.

[@lsooon5278]

I’m sorry but how is Jennie nurse outfit sexualizing their form of work? In no sense was it degrading their status as well

[@helloblob9006]

мιlкү ωαү Sooon it was sexualizing nurses work attire because nurses don’t wear skirts above the knee and red heels. Which are things Jennie wore in the MV. Nurses in the past have been sexually harassed because of their work attire. Which is why now and days nurses don’t wear heels and wear pants instead of skirts. The change in clothing is to stop sexual harassment- even though it is still happening to nurses. It was degrading to their work because nurses who are portrayed in porn wear short skirts and heels- which irl nurses don’t wear. This isn’t the only case of sexual portrayal of any profession in the media. If you look back and watch the part where Danny and David read responses from actual nurses in Korea who face sexual harassment/assault everyday, you can understand their point of view when it comes to Jennie in a nurse outfit. Hope this was helpful.

[@Jenna1394]

I just WISH feminists and women realize it DOESN'T MATTER what you wear! You are sexualized because you are a woman, not for what you are wearing. Women are still subjugated to sexual violence in places that require them to cover their entire bodies. This is about male entitlement and lack of boundaries of men who view women as solely for their sexual pleasure!

[@sariyachone7905]

@@helloblob9006 if after all that outfit change, sexual harassments are still happening then there's no point putting someone down for a short outfit. Leave her alone. Find better and sensible ways to avoid harassments. Maybe just try changing mentalities. Bcz wearing a short outfit here is not even the cause of it. So blaming on it is stupid. I understand what nurses has to go through but if they be more sensible and look into the cause of it, it'd be better for everyone. Putting down another women for wearing whatever the fuck she wants bcz men sexually harass us bcz of our outfits is literally taking away people's freedom in the name of harassment that is done by MEN. Leave alone the outfits damn. They're not the cause. And even if she is wearing a nurses outfit I don't think nurses weren't getting harassed until now and neither will they get harassed more after this. Everything is gonna be The same except for The over reactions people giving on this matter. The outfit is not responsible for a single thing. When will people be more sensible and blame the cause instead. (I'm not even a Jennie fan tbh).

[@monimuppet6132]

- The over-sexualization of women, in general, is real and needs to be fought. However, placing responsibility on the wearer of a form-fitting nurse uniform in a pop video won't get you anywhere. - I don't thing BigHit nor BTS will spend any time on that dude. But BigBang might care as that was literally their entire song. I have no personal feelings about either.

[@Karen-ib4wf]

Hope he gets sued. Better learn something from this and not do it again. Instead, he's enjoying the clout. He'll probably plagiarize someone elses song in the next year.

[@user-qf9qz1mt9h]

how about over-sexualization of men and what is the definition of "over"? i have seen their male idols showing sexual appeal using uniforms many times, but i dont remember any "one" case they pointed it out rigorously or even slightly. dont even mention women can sexualize men because they are weak. it will justify every misbehaviors or crimes in the name of the weak. no double standars, only universal principles should be applied. if women chose or agreed to wear the outfits, then its done. if that is the real problem, they should apply it to their male idols, or it is just the exhibition of their jealousy.

[@unbeatabel]

It's like telling a girl who gets sexualized that it's her fault because she wears certain clothes. Victim blaming culture, disgusting. Honestly tho, I think Jennie just wears and do whatever she was told to do, it wasn't even her fault.

[@lunaplaysgames7674]

테르모필레 the thing is in SK their heavily conservative and woman are supposed to appear proper and delicate. It’s just the way society is there. I mean sure you could try to advocate for similar treatment of both genders when it comes with being sexy or w/e but because everyone has a group mentality in SK society that would never happen. The west treats woman radically different then the East. The culture is very different. I mean the best advice or thing I could say would be if you don’t like how they treat woman don’t ever go there cause nothing would change.

[@aminahali1380]

but u dont get it ygs or at least jennies intentions weren't about sexualizing the outfit it explains the lyircs *no doctor could help when im love sick* and in korea not a single nurse has a problem is the antis that are creating a big problem idk if ur a kpop stan or at least a blink but that's a big problem in the fandom antis love to drag blackpik for no reason in the scene jennie is love sick and has mental problems after her heart being broken and shes a nurse tryna help jennie pls stop spreading information u don't know i agree with u about the nurse sexualizing but that wasn't blackpinks intention

[@astronautsamuel_xxv2295]

I'm a Filipino (I live on a small island), and the whole thing with Skusta Clee and Flow G is just a really horrible situation. PH kpop stan twt had very valid reasons for their criticisms because plagiarism is a crime. Those racist rappers took one look at the outrage, and were like "Oh, you're dragging your own local artists down, that is disgusting. Filipinos are so unpatriotic." The thing is, some Filipinos even defended them! (They admitted to stealing it by the way, described it as "paghiram" or borrowing) I find that extremely absurd because plagiarism is not related to our identity as Filipinos. OPM (Original Pilipino Music) has been gaining a lot of traction these past few years, and that really wasn't an issue. But these guys are brushing it off. Plagiarism is stealing. When you steal, you face the consequences. I hated the Rappers' "apology" 'cause they were like "there are much more important things happening right now so calm down." When I read it, it frustrated me a lot and I'm not even an Army. Hope BigHit sues (He's pretty big. I hate that type of music, but I can't help but hear their names from kids at the street)

[@90Outside]

Filipinos always copy other singers like Mariah Carey Ariana grande just perform other peoples music.

[@trisnaningwijayanti5747]

Every country have that kind of people so please don't attacked the country

[@astronautsamuel_xxv2295]

@@90Outside Not all. There are lots of good Filipinos who make original music (e.g. Ben and Ben) This was an isolated incident, and assuming that all Filipinos plagiarize is illogical, at best.

[@thisissugaswife1472]

de n not all we have our own OPM songs also from the great singer like Apo Hiking Society and Ogie alcasid

[@Floopwer]

@@astronautsamuel_xxv2295 the juans amputek basura yan hahahaha Sb19 ok lang hahaha

[@jessicacheng826]

I see a lot of comments made by nurses already so I'm not going to bother repeating. As a nurse myself, I just want to add that even working in the US, I have not met or worked with a female nurse yet that has not been inappropriately felt up by a patient and/or unprofessionally dismissed by a male healthcare professional. Our priority is always to care for the ill and improve the life and health of the community, but these are some very dangerous and unnecessary barriers that nurses have to face every day.

[@codisheppard9005]

yes and we dont even wear sexy outfits...they are scrubs!!

[@Jenna1394]

I don't think anyone is denying nurses struggles, but chalking this treatment up to how they dress isn't helping the situation. Men who do this to nurses DO NOT CARE what ya'll are wearing clearly. They care that you are a woman, and that they are attracted to you and want to push boundaries to satisfy their sexual urges. This is the issue, the entitlement to a woman's body. I think the conversation should be centered around that concept, not clothing.

[@riogurung1501]

I don't think you understand the whole problem here. Please try to know more about the problem cause it's much more deeper than you think .

[@jessicacheng826]

Oh I completely agree. This is only a single example that stems from history, psychology, and social constructs that bleed into all fields of study and more, and it's not something that can be accurately portrayed on a YT comment or even understand just from a nursing perspective. If anyone truly wants to learn and understand the core issue, I would suggest reading up on a combination of research studies as well as memoirs from historical female figures to get that deeper understanding.

[@mizuwumi]

about the blackpink situation, if people who work as nurses say they don't like it then it means it's wrong, you can't say it's not offensive if you don't work as a nurse yourself, that's like telling a black person that blackface isn't offensive, the black person has the right to say whether it's offensive or not because it's mimicking them.

[@iamsupertetay]

i agree. im a filipino nurse and personally i dont have problem with the outfit but if korean nurses speak out about it being offensive then believe them coz they are the one who experienced the harrassment EVERY SINGLE DAY. i think YG said that it is art and the lyrics said "no doctors can cure lovesick girls" then why not dress her like doctor?

[@iamsupertetay]

@@greenscreen7954 it is so saddening to see their artists being hated when they just did what the company told them to 🙃 and mostly YG isnt even listening to fans to address any issues 🤡

[@AB-rl8iz]

Exactly! It’s akin to saying “what racism? I don’t experience racism so it doesn’t exist”. What a low moment for Danny

[@hananana1155]

@@iamsupertetay I actually thought the same why they didnt dress her as a doctor. my problem is actually something else, did they mean a woman dont suit to be a doctor?? if they didnt want it to look hotter then how a nurse represent a doctor??? and btw its not about BP MV, I think the whole world still doesnt look at women as they really should as human.

[@hananana1155]

@@iamsupertetay I didnt see anyone hating on jennie myself, I think everyone know its not done by her. right or wrong she didnt decide this.

[@pinguimvoador974]

It is very simple to understand, Danny: Women don't want to be sexually assaulted by the way they dress. We want to be able to wear skirts, show some skin, be free to make the choice of our clothes. However, when we go buy a halloween costume and there is "sexy nurse", "sexy teacher" "sexy flight attendant" this is not empowering us in any way. Those are professions, and they must be taken seriously. If we could wear this "sexy nurse" outfit while performing our roles as nurses and still don't get sexually assaulted, then great, but even nurses who wear pants and show no skin at all are sexually assaulted every single day. So yeah, a person that continues to wear this type of professional outfit that reminds a sexy costume, even though it is not BEING SPANKED, is reinforcing the belittling of women in their professions

[@lightefilit]

Exactly 👏 They were definitely going for "sexy nurse" image and it's ridiculous to deny that.

[@seoulocello]

I agree. Some of the reactions this issue has been getting were so insensitive and disappointing... DKDKTV included.

[@AB-rl8iz]

@@seoulocello yes, I’m still figuring out how to pen down my frustrations about Danny’s incredibly insensitive attitude towards this. So thank you for writing this. This is exactly the sort of issues that needs to be addressed through these petitions and movements. Hell, with the same logic, we could apply this to anything - were you offended by the sampling in Agust D’s Daechwita? Oh that’s fine, just don’t listen to it. Danny seriously, this was a seriously low point for you. I’m not for cancel culture, but I really hope you learn from this and apologise for this partly because you have a very large audience (a lot of younger people too, who are very impressionable). The larger the audience, the greater the responsibility. If I was a few years younger than I am now, I would definitely have followed Danny’s logic, but thankfully years of maturity have shown me that this would be wrong in this case. Danny, please address this. Thank you.

[@farhanabdulmohammed4904]

You mean like porns..I mean I don't watch it but of course we would know about this right.....sorry my english is not good

[@anonanon4320]

God please dont infest kpop with feminism.

[@yuh-shangan4848]

I think Danny missed the whole point of the outrage from nurses. You can’t compare a nurse to an ice cream dude. Nurses are PROFESSIONAL HEALTHCARE WORKERS. How hard is it to understand people of a particular profession feel disrespected when they see their own profession being portrayed as sth that is unprofessional? You have no idea how much women in healthcare are not taken seriously. There is still a gender bias even when it comes to male and female doctors. Some patients are distrustful when they’re being attended by a female doctor. All in short, when people continue to portray sexy nurse stereotypes in media, that gender bias and gender stereotype continues.

[@KoraDJess]

I dont think he meant it like that and as for jennie in the mv, she was just being a nurse because of what the lyrics say, she didn't wear that to sexualize nurses she wore it to portray the lyrics and ofc she's not gonna wear pants cuz as an artist she needs to have a "pretty" image. This wasn't to disrespect or sexualize nurses it was actually in no way sexual at all its just used as art and people should understand that

[@azwafatima2038]

Kora D. Jess it doesn’t matter if I was Jennie and my nurse fans were offended I would apologize for hurting their feelings and showing an unprofessional side to their profession. It’s just basic respect but she won’t speak on it anyways it’s up to yg to take care of it

[@mshumai]

And yet women still like to dress up as sexy nurses, police officers, witches and cats for Halloween. Just making an observation. Maybe it's not right but just playing devil's advocate here and saying that women want to be confident and have fun with their sexuality too. The "outdated" nurse outfit in the video is by far the least revealing of the costumes that portray nurses and police women in other MVs by other artists. The only reason BP is protested is because of their success and notoriety.

[@azwafatima2038]

mshumai yes their success and fame is a part bc they have a huge impact on the public and some women do bc it’s so normalized. If ppl from that profession are telling you they are uncomfortable by it just out of respect listen and respect their feelings. We can change the norm in the sense not to sexuality things that make ppl uncomfortable

[@mshumai]

@@azwafatima2038 People in their profession...well I happen to be able to say that as a female doctor in the US I can relate to the harassment issues they are bringing up and it is a good point. But my point is that the treatment of BP is specifically singled out compared to other groups. There are so many other music videos and media that could be protested regarding sexualization of professions. Blackpink's entire concept is about girl power and strong, unapologetic women. It's ironic that the people complaining and trying to bring them down are...other women. Ironically the "cute" and "innocent" groups that portray the "ideal" Korean woman image are the ones perpetuating gender role stereotypes of women in a submissive role. If you want true gender equality and respect for professional women then you need to pick the right ways to protest. Getting a scene removed from a MV of a girl group that promotes girl power is simply not the way. Btw if you are so concerned about empowering women y'all should check out Lizzo. Her and Blackpink are what we jam out to in our hospital workroom.

[@karinamurphy6645]

Mad about nurse outfits but everyone is okay with idols sexualizing the school girl outfit. No they aren’t supposed to only be cute, it’s supposed to be sexy too, no matter if the concept is cute, they’re still making the skirts short, still making the tops crop tops. Everything is sexualized even when you think it’s not supposed to.

[@justhercarryonjhc625]

The school boy and girl thing is a very common complaint in K-pop, they just blame it on international viewers. They say we just don’t understand it and we’re being too sensitive

[@karinamurphy6645]

At face value, even putting YOUNG adults in school uniforms is sexualizing (as in idols that have graduated primary school already and older). Especially if they aren’t original everyday school attire. The skirts are still shorter and the tops are still tighter. I don’t think international viewers don’t understand, but it’s tiring to hear the outrage of one part of a problem and not the other parts. I feel like people find the school outfits okay because when you think of school you think of “youth” “pure” “childlike”. Yes those are good and well but underlyingly sexy. These companies know what school outfits do to people. It’s all marketing.

[@jimjam8653]

@@karinamurphy6645 👏👏👏👏👏

[@btsot7btslegands719]

Just because people don’t complain about the school uniform doesn’t mean sexualising nurses is fine... like these nurses have worked so hard, it took them years to become nurses and people keep sexualising them. I would be frustrated too. Jennie’s outfit should’ve not been that short. They could’ve literally used typical nurse outfits.

[@Moonastronaut]

@@btsot7btslegands719 exactly. OP's logic is flawed. You can have a problem with both, please don't lump everyone together to have the opinion that other outfits in kpop are ok.

[@Nessainthebuilding]

My mom was a nurse for 30+ years and SHE HATED the depictions of nurses in media. Nurses were either evil like in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest or they were a fetish. Getting sexually harassed by patients was so common place that back in the day all you could do was shrug it off. But if you live in a country where nurses are the most likely profession for being sexually assaulted and the sexual assault laws being so laxed that nothing gets done about it... Girl, you would be triggered too if it were you. The nurses in South Korea MUST be dealing with sexual harassment and assault SO MUCH that they got triggered by a five second clip. We all get triggered by SOMETHING that would hurt us. The swastika, dreads, blackface, the Japanese Imperial flag, etc. HURT PEOPLE. And what? Their feelings are going to be marginalized because they're women in a certain profession? To be honest, at first I felt the same, that they were creating an issue out of nothing but then those comments from Korean nurses justifying their point of view of how they deal with this all the time changed it. For their UNION to issue a statement like this... What the nurses in SK most be going through has got to be horrendous. Or I don't know. Maybe we should all research the situation they go through before we nullify their feelings.

[@katie5920]

They should go after the sexual harassment of nurses then instead of giving hate to a woman for wearing a (Not even revealing) nurse outfit, the anger is misplaced imo.

[@em5522]

@@katie5920 it's not about Jennie and shouldn't be about Jennie and people who make it about Jennie definitely aren't the ones to be listening to bc they're not seeing the real issue; they're just hating. It's about YG being yet another one of many entertainment companies that chooses to use a style that depicts an outfit that was seen as problematic irl to the point that it was drastically changed and how YG is bringing it back when there was no reason to, catering to popular media's problematic oversexualized depiction of nurses. Just because something was okay back then doesn't mean that it's okay now and this is yet another showing of YG needing to reevaluate the company's styling choices.

[@katie5920]

@@em5522 How was it sexualized though? she wasn't showing cleavage and the skirt was a normal length, imo it wasn't them sexualizing nurses, it's the audience sexualizing it and jennie in their minds. That's just how I see it though.

[@em5522]

@@katie5920 Because the outfit itself has a history of being sexualized, a big reason as to why it was changed. Again, I'm not going after Jennie for this, but I can definitely see why YG is being criticized for his styling choices when there wasn't a reason to use this type of nurse outfit in the MV (they could have easily used a different type or made it into a patient or doctor outfit) because this type of outfit is still being used today to push the sexualize nurse narrative in popular media. I just think that YG needs to reevaluate his company's styling choices. And this DEFINITELY SHOULD *NOT* be used an excuse to hate on BP.

[@shaunaray1]

@@em5522 people will sexualize ankles if they're horny enough, no amount of trying to cover up will change that. There are fantasies people have of nurses and of other professions out there and that can't be avoided so long as people have a sex drive and imagination exists. Still, to those who act on their fantasies at the expense of those they place their fantasies upon, if their is no consent and your knowingly harassing those people, you need to be held accountable and shamed. The problem is that society constantly is pointing there fingers at these artists and entertainers who are selling a fantasy, something not real or based on real life as is noted by the very word fantasy, and not at the perpetrators who are doing the thing without consent.

[@thekidhistorian]

All I’ll say is, your comment saying people should look away when something offends them, and spoken in the context of sexual objectification of women, is such a man thing to say. When women say they feel objectified and offended, you listen. You try to understand where they’re coming from. In this case, there’s a lot of history (and lived experiences) on the objectification of female nurses because of men’s perception on what they wore and the care they provide. And that has been constantly reinforced by pop culture even to this day. So no, it isn’t as simple as a female idol wearing a nurse uniform in an MV and female nurses not liking it. Try to listen and understand instead of telling them to look away. You cannot invalidate those feelings or shove them to the side. (The same applies to people of color feeling discriminated.)

[@LaLaSays]

Right? Imagine telling them “if you don’t like it, then don’t watch.”

[@cylonempress2000]

Yes. Tell them 👏👏👏

[@gracebyChrist2022]

LOUDER 👏👏👏

[@anushree_rajeev]

So true! I unsubscribed instantly after hearing their ice cream reference here.

[@hemblem131]

Who else ashamed to be male

[@Ghazalwluv]

if nurses are uncomfortable then i see no point why would anyone want to justify it. its not our place to say if they should be offended or not.

[@professorhistoire5349]

see that's exactly the thing. the outfit she wore wasn't sexualised to begin with. I agree this is an issue that need to be addressed but not like this. the theme wasn't, the lyrics weren't and the way she wore it and posed in it wasn't sexualised either. we need to stop thinking anything a female idol wear is meant to be sexualised or imply that. how about directing our attention to the actual cases in which it WAS sexualised?

[@anyone1111]

EXACTLY we can’t tell people HOW THEY FEEL especially with an issue that isn’t regarding Jennie at all (I don’t think she should ever get hate for this bc it wasn’t her decision and the issue people are mad about is bigger than the outfit in this mv)

[@raerohan4241]

Professor Histoire Exactly. It’s frustrating to see stuff like this because it’s like, she was wearing a pretty normal outfit, not doing anything sexy, the music wasn’t sexy, the lyrics weren’t sexy, so why the heck are people still calling it sexualised? It makes me feel like, as woman, no matter what I wear or do, men are STILL going to thing I’m trying to seduce them or some bs like that. Really makes me lose hope that I’ll ever be seen as a person, not a pair of boobs or thighs or legs or whatever

[@Echo11_]

People can be offended, just don't shame Jennie for her outfit. It's just another excuse to hate on Jennie.

[@carolgardens7294]

@@raerohan4241 it is because of the history of the image,the short skirt and heels are the details that reference a sexy image.It is not a pretty normal outfit that a nurse wears to work.It is a costume referencing something that young people may not know about,but all of us grown women instantly recognize. Today ,especially,nurses are being exposed to a deadly disease while doing their job and are not going to see the costume as 'cute.' I am not 'hating on' the performers. I just shake my head The conversation is an important one.

[@bliss6969]

I don't think people understand there is a lot more to plagiarism than just copying something identically. There's the beat, flow, yes, but the fact that he decided to use almost the same sounding words in the same places. These things combined is too much to be a coincidence. We also have proof that this rapper does, what's he trying to call it "borrow" from the Big Bang track, which isn't even trying to pretend to be original. With this context, it makes a strong case against him if they ever did take legal action. Just because you make a song "from scratch", doesn't mean you don't have a blueprint in mind. I highly doubt that Bighit will bother though - I've seen much more blatantly plagiarised BTS stuff in the past that I was surprised they let go. Not sure about YG.

[@jennylyn453]

No, the plagiarism about BIGBANGs Bad Boy was even way back 2015-2016. And it became a lot known in my male friends and classmates. YG would not bother, that's a fact ;).

[@akwrdlyprrfct8879]

Same. A majority of the songs that BTS 'plagiarized' weren't produced by them. Especially in the beginning, so much plagiarism. Like so glad they make their own stuff now. I feel like it's easier to blame groups when they produce their own music. But many kpop producers plagiarize as sad as that is. Either that or they make spin offs of their own songs which leads to groups having song that sound the same. It's so hard to prove plagiarism in the music industry. The Big Bang one was definitely a ripoff though, no doubt about that one.

[@bliss6969]

Jennylyn Morillo ohh that long ago I see . It sounds exactly the same it’s crazy. That song is iconic too!

[@bliss6969]

Awkrdly Prrfct do you mean sampling? Because that’s not the same as plagiarism. Sorry, I just wanna know the context haha :’)

[@mintaellectual1149]

@@akwrdlyprrfct8879 theyve always made their songs from the start I remmeber namjoon saying he cried because he had to rewrite no more dream like a hundred of times. They sampled beats from other artists, thats what they did. Beats only tho and there were songs mixed that were made by other producers but the main producers were still the members and all the lyrics are by them. The songs that have sampled stuff contains credit to the original artists, you may notice RM's first mixtape a lot of the titles were like Joke ( Beats by Jewel) and such , those were the credits, if its not on title its on the credit list / KOMCA. "Plagiarism " is a heavy term and is in no way the same as sampling stuff. And bts use the beats they sample as only part of the original song they make. For example , the scream at the beginnung of not today is from a screaming MEME. thats how they use the beats, its always only part of a song and used to enhance it. BTS rarely copies whole songs, they only ever uses beats and creats music that has orignal sounds and lyrics. If they do sample stuff and then remake it , like Born singer by bts and Always by RM it is always indicated if they did so and still contains credit to the original artists, they dont act like they made the stuff, they say when they use an another original song and they just changed the lyrics.

[@Kinnylol]

I don’t know if it’s just me but Danny’s argument seemed a bit tone deaf to me. I can understand that you don’t like the censorship of art but the comparison to ice cream manufacturers is just plain offensive. The point the nurses were trying to make was that for years the women in the profession have been faced with various traumatic situations such as sexual assault which stems majorly from the skewed image media portrays of the profession. In order to combat against that uniforms were changed but they still fight everyday with these situations but then the same thing they were trying to combat is popularized, they’re allowed to be upset and voice their opinions. To just say “then don’t watch it” is easy for someone who doesn’t have to deal with such issues but if it affects you and your profession it’s not. To say that is basically telling someone to just ignore the issue “who cares? If you don’t pay attention it doesn’t matter” which is not true. He said that firemen won’t get upset and you don’t see the ice cream workers upset but he’s not considering that these profession don’t face sexual assault because of the image their professions have so it isn’t comparable. Art is a form of expression yes but that doesn’t necessarily mean that all forms of art even if they cause damage to persons aren’t to be censored. A lot of the time men don’t realize because it’s not a reality they face but women fight almost everyday against sexual assault and other related factors even on a normal basis so imagine working in a field where that’s multiplied by 100. The way Danny spoke on it belittled the everyday struggles of the women in the profession whether he meant to or not, the same way the nurse clip belittled their everyday struggles whether YG or the artist meant to or not. If something is disrespectful it’s disrespectful whether it’s in the name of art or not. End of story.

[@_pk__3916]

👏👏👏

[@violetcutesy]

YES. YES. YES. THANK YOU FOR THIS. YOU'VE SAID IT PERFECTLY. I'm a nursing student and have recently started to work in the hospital as a nursing assistant. Within my first month of working I was sexually harassed by a male patient and I was left incredibly traumatised and I haven't even start working as a qualified nurse yet. This experience has affected the way I approach male patients unfortunately. I no longer have the same emotional or mental trust as I did before but I do not treat them any different in the care I give. I'm just a bit more apprehensive when I have to approach them which is sad. It's terrible how often and common sexual harassment happens for the everyday women in most professions and especially for women within the healthcare sector. Most men don't have to face this fear when working or just in the streets on a daily basis and it's not fair for them to shut women down for being "feminists who are mentally ill" or for wanting to protect themselves and their profession and until the women closest to these men like their partners or their mothers or sisters face this, they won't ever understand or empathise.

[@shreyagaikwad9834]

100% agreed

[@liarot9420]

I agree that they don't seem to understand and I agree that the sexualisation of nurses is a huge issue but I also understand why they used that outfit for the mv it's a short scene with no speech and I think they were looking for the easiest way to show the character's roles in a short space of time. that nurse costume is universally understood and the outfit itself wasn't overly sexual. I don't think they realised what kind of issues it could have caused.

[@iciajay6891]

Not having a woman wear a sexy nurse costume will not get rid or mysogany or sexual assault. The reason there is an issue is any perfection with mostly woman in it, the woman face sexism and misogyny. Becuase they are woman. It is a society issue. Hating on someone is shifting the blame for the in built misogyny in a society, of of the people responsible. Korea in general has a long way to go in rights for woman. I live in Canada. In my city a woman can legally go topless. None do, but they know if they did, they do not have to worry about men getting away with assaulting or harassing them.

[@errops9487]

Hi, skustaclee is not a top tier artist in the philippines and he isn’t even a respected one. We would’ve if he uses his own music but bc he don’t, our respect for him as an artist is not even seen :)) i hope you won’t misunderstand filipino artists and music :

[@atinjhen]

i dont even listen to their music, what the h! now thanks to army they're getting views 😅

[@yinyang1935]

I'm a Pinoy and I honest to goodness haven't heard his name until this issue came out.

[@Slorrpee]

As a Filipino, this Skustaclee is a disappoint periodt.

[@mlnydrdr120]

as a Filipino, I agree with this and I don’t even know who skustaclee is.

[@miguelaraneta]

I'm not saying he's top tier but he's still really well known. he made some good songs

[@natashalilylo]

I dont think we can diminish how korean nurses feel about that. Their point are valid. But at the same time I also think the problem is beyond the outfit. Its not jennie’s fault for wearing a nurse costume and being object of sexualization. Its MAN’s fault, they are the one who sexualize nurses, so they are the ones who should be educated about this topic. Its not the victim’s fault!! And about the koreans comments about this situation... I just know that feminism has looooong way to go in korea smh

[@phantoml881]

there was nothing wrong with jennie's outfit, people- as per usual are being hugely oversensitive and are getting to addicted to outrage culture and are just looking for stuff to get angry about, stop getting so mad over things that dont effect your life in anyway like a fucking outfit in a music video. Its mostly feminists and female nurses causing this issue about "oversexualistion of nurses in the mv i dont see why you're blaming dudes.

[@soirann102]

@@phantoml881 I am a blink and I defended Jennie and YG for the "nurse issue" in other comments but when I asked my mom who was a Nurse before and I asked her if this was wrong and she said yes because that is not how nurses wear nurse uniforms, she said it was supposed to be fine but the dress skirt was above her knee which is its not appropriate and looked a lil sexy from what she said, she did'nt think it was sexualizing but she just said that the outfit is not the correct attire for nurses. (Pls dont hate my mom) I did'nt think the outfit was bad or sexualizing at all cause she was just sitting but when I got educated I actually understand the Korean nurses point of view. I agree the some were being to much towards the issue but I realized I think we should respect the korean nurses for now.

[@phantoml881]

@@soirann102 Im not going to hate your mom for having her own opinion, shes fully entitled to it but i disagree on the point that its wrong because its not an actual nurse uniform, its a music video and its art and people wear costumes in music videos all the time it doesnt need to be pin point accurate, in fact in many countries it is illegal to impersonate a police officer, nurse or doctor so wearing an exact uniform would count as impersonation so thats why these costumes are never actually accurate and are clearly fake. I still dont see a issue with it in any way, i think the fact that YG has removed the scene is setting a dangerous precedent that they will give into cancel culture and outrage culture and you will now see this repeated over and over again in future comebacks that people will get upset and offended over something stupid and yg will give in and remove it and the slope will get slippier and slippier with people getting offended over dumber and dumber shit. I strongly feel here that YG should of stood their ground and shown that they will not censor art and that they value freedom of expression but unfortunately they gave into the outrage culture and the angry mob. The nurse outfit wasnt sexual in anyway and it directly related to the lyrics and even if it was a little sexy i dont see a problem with a beautiful woman showing off her sexy side, korea is just too damn conservative.

[@soirann102]

@@phantoml881 Yep agree also, YG needs to be defensive and I get your whole point. Thank you for your opinion!

[@phantoml881]

@@tinecamilotes4358 they understood they just dont care, people are so addicted to outrage/cancel culture in todays society. People think that being offended means that you're right.

[@ellaami9031]

I think the issue just lies with women in professions getting sexualised. It’s their job and their profession. Especially everything they have done for the public this year in the pandemic, I understand why they want more respect from media portrayals of them. They have worked so hard saving lives and instead of getting portrayed for doing that, they are portrayed in a old fashioned way. I am a final year student nurse and I didn’t even pick up on this in the mv so I didn’t get offended but I can understand where people that are upset are coming from.

[@ttc958]

In that case no more school girl outfits, because that objectifies young girla

[@zuko_24568]

But jennie is also being sexualized here, that’s a problem too. She’s just sitting there in a dress that is completely appropriate, for an 8 second clip, and people are calling it sexual. They are literally objectifying her..the irony

[@akwrdlyprrfct8879]

I don't think alot of people picked up on the nurse outfit till it became this big issue. Cause when it dropped a lot of people were talking about her thighs in the other outfit featured in the scene. I had rewatch to notice the nurse outfit. It was barely showed that much. And nurses these days may not dress like that way but a lot of female doctors do.

[@zuko_24568]

Awkrdly Prrfct itt so weird to me that ppl were so fixated on that 8 second clip and focused on her thighs and sexualized her omg its messed up Jennie deserves better:(((( they are in the wrong for this

[@ellaami9031]

xxtoronto xo firstly I agree that this drama is stupid and over the top. I was just trying to explain the nurse pov as I’m a student nurse and this video and the entire fandom just called them haters without attempting to understand their point. Also the school girl thing is different as the idols wearing school outfits are usually of school age and the songs are about love at school and related to their life/their age group’s lives. I get your point completely but the reason why nurses were most upset wasn’t because she was dressed as a nurse but because she was wearing a old fashioned nurses outfit which is pushing old stereotypes, nursing is a profession that is rarely protrayed accurately and respectfully.

[@worldwidechubbyguy6138]

Actually the nurse thing is also big in the U.S. too. I've seen a lot of american artists being criticized for that too. Also the plagiarizing thing is embarrasing as I'm a Filipino and Filipinos don't claim him Also your reaction is exactly the reason - you haven't been sexually harrased. You don't see it.

[@worldwidechubbyguy6138]

@@AJ-gd5sg so?

[@lilyrose302]

*AJ * Women back then were also seen more as objects so I’m not sure that is a great comparison

[@lilyrose302]

*AJ * They aren’t American though and the Koreans finding it disrespectful are basing it off their own culture

[@lilyrose302]

*AJ * Even back then nurses didn’t wear bright red 4” heels.....

[@tsuchan5828]

She just wanted to share a small fact and y'all thinking that's it's a big deal. Jesus Christ people?! She just said that the outfit itself was based on 1970's American Nurse's outfit and y'all had to take it bad?

[@edenp3268]

I understand nurses have a right to feel offended, but if they're being heard then I wish they would also expand the issue to the sexualization of school uniforms, especially seen in girl groups (I'm not saying BG in school uniform aren't sexualized bc they are, but s3xual assau!t cases w school girls are higher). I also understand if things are best when worked case by case, but in the issue of uniforms and professions being sexualized I don't get why there's a sudden uproar with this specific case. But I also have to say that I personally do not find the uniform sexual, I think it's just a more feminine version. In fact, I would also agree with the group of people who think that Jennie herself is also being sexualized in this case when all she did was pose in an outfit for about two shots.

[@adriennpasku2602]

that was my first thought as well. if we were to criticize kpop outfits, there are so many things that would come before this. the schoolgirl/boy thing is one of them, but i dont really see people talk about that. i personally dont care that much, bc i dont view that as sexual, but ofc to someone else it might come off as creepy.i just think its strange that people got so caught up on it. it also makes me feel like its victim blaming and slutshaming in a way, like it shouldnt matter what a woman is wearing.its not a justification for men, but thats the vibe i get from the outrage going on

[@stinarhardy8563]

Yes to everything you just said!!!

[@jeensjaams9933]

⬆️⬆️⬆️ esp since minors have even less power to protect themselves or get taken srsly

[@raincandy3]

Just to add to the thread. These outfits being sexualized and the fact that idols who are very young are also sexualized are all issues. The fact that the nursing profession is sexualized does not take away from the fact that minors/schoolgirls and other professions are also viewed through the same lenses. I feel that they are all issues, and that criticism of one issue helps increase awareness for other issues rather than diminish significance of the others.

[@edenp3268]

raincandy3 I agree with you! I do not mean to disregard the nurse issue and I believe what korean nurses are saying, I just brought this point up since I felt this is an appropriate moment to mention the sexualization of uniforms in general. School uniforms is just an example among many, i mentioned this specifically since it’s the most popular one but I believe all uniforms in general are important to mention

[@shannonbarrios1290]

Okay I am stopping at when you say “If you don’t feel comfortable, don’t watch it.” You do not get the point at all. The outfit may it be revealing or not is a symbol of objectification and sexualization. You dont see that outfit in hospitals, you see it in porn. Yes art is a reflection of reality, but that is not reality. Women and nurses worked hard to get rid of that symbol, only for it to be represented AGAIN by a world famous group with millions of fans including males that MAY feel as though them sexualizing nurses is okay because a recognized artist is representing them in that way. The nurses are not just concerned about feeling uncomfortable whenever they watch the video. They have watched it already and now theyre worried about the repercussions of it and whether it will increase the likeliness of them being harassed. Are you deaf? Women get harassed everyday. That creates trauma and anxiety. The whole point is getting rid of the things that might get us objectified even more because the harassment has not stopped, and with things like this it feels as though it wont stop. So dont just tell nurses to “not watch” you dont know the how degrading it is to be harassed everyday of your life and how that affects our mentality. I dont wish to hate on black pink themselves. I love the girls. But YG has to do something about this. Also, Men that don’t contribute to the conversation only saying “dont watch it” have no right to speak for women and our experience. You have no right to discard our fear and anger because then again it was men that instilled it in us, and its still men who continues to make us feel this way.

[@diptik9632]

omg where were u when SNSD n mamamoo did the same?

[@shotabdi4868]

I'm not gonna day anything about the nurse issue but ngl danny's logic didn’t sit right with me..

[@shannonbarrios1290]

dipti K96 um does it matter? These issues are being addressed now when women feel most confident to talk about their concerns. Why does it matter when i started contributing to the conversation when the conversation is happening now and i feel confident sharing how i feel about it because my fellow women empowered themselves to start that conversation and to advocate change. The problem is that ure only concerned about protecting your idols, instead of supporting something that can help people who experience abuse on a daily basis even in their occupations because of symbols like these that are heavily sexualized.

[@diptik9632]

@@shannonbarrios1290 OHH Bullshit, what idols, im talking about freedom to express art. u telling me others when do this specially male artists, they get a free pass. im talking about equality for female in the entertainment industry. if a female idol gets sexualized over a simple knee length uniform, imagine them in the next years. the amount of misogyny allegations women have to take is huge already.

[@diptik9632]

@@shannonbarrios1290 but of course its your opinion, im stating mine.

[@aratheropinionatedindividu3466]

I usually agree with Danny but this time he just sounds insensitive. Why is he comparing people to an object (ice cream)? You covered many topics of sexual harassment in Korea but when people speak up about it, you just laugh it off?! It might be an overreaction but when people speak about these issues, the least you could do is listen. I really think that it’s time Dkdktv brings a women on this show because you never experienced those things. (I don’t have a problem with blackpink, what I have a problem with is Danny’s attitude to the situation) (My English might be bad. English is my 3rd language.) Edited: grammar issues.

[@nastyatyu5156]

You right and you should say it👏 Also what are you talking about, your English is so good

[@prodsuga9482]

Danny thinks he's right but isn't he always saying stupidity stuff ...nobody surprised

[@Tyllie1693]

Well, he is insensitive 😂 mostly i agree with him when he states how butthurt over everything usually are, but he forgets this goes beyond nurses. If YG wanted to pass the image across and fit the lyrics, she didn't need to be that sexual. That's the problem with pop culture, and it's everywhere. And while I'm usually very chill with these things bcs i still think ppl only see what they want, men always reserve themselves the right to think us women fighting for society to see us like they see a man is a joke and an exaggeration. That is the real disease, specially in Korea. Men weren't educated enough on equality, so of course, you see these two males here who are in their late 20's early 30's but they unconsciously think about women with the mindset of a guy born in joseon period. It's sad, and that's why feminists are everywhere, with zero tolerance for this type of thing, choosing to stay single instead of marrying these dudes. Women don't have the disease, men supremacy is the disease.

[@nastyatyu5156]

@@Tyllie1693 I think YG made her a nurse to give her a sexy outfit, otherwise they would make her a doctor to fit lyrics (because this psychiatrists job)

[@oliveb.]

@@nastyatyu5156 and that makes it even worse and further supports the nurses union statement.

[@abrav2018]

Regarding the Korean nurses concerns about BP video nurse outfit: I think that if the Korean Health and Medical Workers Union released a statement about their concern and BP video image of a nurse outfit being sexualized then that in itself tells you that there is BIG problem regarding the sexual objectification of Korean nurses. This is not about only feminism view but a safety concern. I believe they need to be heard and that action/ change must happen. There might be some action from YG, but again, it seems that this a bigger problem as a whole that needs to be addressed in the justice system, hospitals, and different industries. I'm glad they released that statement and that other nurses are sharing their stories and opinions. Bless all the nurses who are working hard during the pandemic. ❤❤❤

[@miss_jess]

👏👏👏👏

[@esh768]

Donkey Is Black pink the only one with Nurse outfit

[@esh768]

First of all Check how many Girls Group Previously Did Do Nurse outfit hypocrites

[@miss_jess]

@@esh768 no one is attacking Black Pink or Jennie. Stand down tiger.

[@miss_jess]

@@esh768 and stop derailing from the real issue... Nurses facing daily sexual harassment while trying to do their (very important) jobs.

[@SlytheReine]

I think the outrage from filipino armys themselves comes from more than the plagarism tho. We have one of the most toxic masculinity problem, and... im not the best explainer but letting you know that it goes so much deeper than just plagarism at this point. We get insulted for liking KPOP, or BTS specifically all the time because they don’t “portray” how men should be, we get trashed for liking kpop and not supporting our own local music. “Support Local” is a popular term because we get a lot of shit for not doing that- and in the end a local artist copies someone they tell us we need to despise. There’s a better explanation I am sure but I guess this is the gist of it 😅

[@beyourself4996]

Omg, this is same for me but, is the point I don't care even.

[@vine8413]

"If you don't like it don't watch it?" That statement from one of you is very disappointing. Nurses has fought for respect for so long , your dismissive attitude is not okay.

[@chellie7751]

Yeah Danny really disappointed me in this video. He just comes off as really immature and ignorant.

[@katie5920]

Well going after a woman that's not even sexualizing nurses isn't a good look.

[@miss_jess]

@@katie5920 no one is going after Jennie

[@katie5920]

@@miss_jess Really? because i've seen a few

[@miss_jess]

@@katie5920 great, a few BP haters who will say crap no matter what. No one involved in this issue or this video or this conversation is going after Jennie. Stop derailing from the real issue, this is not about Jennie or BP.

[@user-fg1gt2ft2l]

Disappointed. Idk why people can't just sympathize with the nurses, without dragging BP. So unfortunate that pink sweater guy even invalidated the nurses' experience.

[@SuperAmaku]

Yeah, this is an issue beyond BP and has little to do with what the girls are doing and more to do with the context and the company's actions. Sad to see how little empathy Danny has for those people struggling and actually getting belittled in their jobs and getting sexually harrassed

[@shotabdi4868]

"If you're uncomfortable, just don't watch it" Danny if someone is stepping on my religious book and appropriating my traditional outfit as sexy aesthetic outfit that has a history of colonization and is a reminder to how millions of people lost their life fighting for our rights to breathe and abusing my race or sexuality.. I can't just look away. Extremely disappointed. *my comment is about danny's logic, not the nurse issue*

[@anushree_rajeev]

Danny is always very insensitive and ignorant. He thinks everything happens simply and nothing should be taken seriously at all.

[@shotabdi4868]

@@anushree_rajeev 😔

[@AndyD.21]

Well if someone is stepping on your copy of your religious book sure say something but if they do anything to their copy of the same religious book you can say you don't like that but that's all. It's their property. And if it's not something illegal you can do anything to your property. Does not matter what is your religion.

[@hsnrb9959]

@@AndyD.21 They can do anything but they need to be prepared for the consequences - in this case, YG had to remove the scene and possible loss of fans, tainted image

[@kaveew]

Yg should've taken permission tbh just like jhope did

[@laurah7337]

"Ice cream isn't a woman" Facs! C'mmon bruh, that comparison was so half-assed & dismissive it was almost diabolical.😂

[@sassyest8292]

Effin' diabolical 🤣

[@Natalia-ge8yr]

ER nurse here, to be fair, i didn't expect to get triggered over this, however, after putting so much effort and work, specially during the covid pandemic, it sucks so much to realize that most people just see you as a 'pretty face that follows the doctors orders' or that 'sexualising nurses uniforms is not a big deal' idk.... i see this on a weekly basis on some of my patients, but in those cases you usually tell yourself to keep going, to ignore the uncalled phrases and petnames, to focus on the health of your patient..... however seeing the reaction of danny and david, and people from the comments too, its just so fucking discouraging... I've been a fan of yours for a really long time, and i do hope your channel keeps growing, but at least for the time being im afraid im going to unsuscribe

[@joywonder8092]

Not trying degrading or anything , I think y’all should take your anger to the media instead of a 5s scene from a music video and getting triggered over an outfit that wasn’t sexualised by the female wearing it.

[@GLima-sx3ez]

same here, i'm a nurse student and the comments here made me sincerely disappointed :(

[@bangbanginmyhead]

@@joywonder8092 i don't get your comment asking the OC to"take out their anger on the media" when a music video by one of the most popular girl groups in the world right now IS part of the media. Tbh, when I first heard about the nurse scene controversy from the LsG MV, I myself didn't get it because I didn't see the issue when I watched the MV previously. However, after reading the Korean Health and Medical Worker's Union statement, I started to understand where they're coming from. Some of yall really lack in empathy and it shows.

[@joywonder8092]

in omnia paratus it’s not that I don’t understand or feel for them. When I say media I mean news, or protest not target Jennie or yg because it will not help their case. Plus the scene wasn’t trying to put out a sexual message that’s why it angers me, because they thought it was sexual when wasn’t meant to be sexual not even the lyrics. No one even thought it was sexual, now that they said it when you go back you see that it’s sexual because they have put that image in some people minds. Where were they when other girl groups/ girl groups they admire were wearing shorter nurse costume and in some of them it was meant to be sexual, where were they when movies had done worse? It doesn’t matter the time when it’s affecting their mental health and it’s something that some have to deal with everyday. The fact that they waited up til now it’s being targeted towards Jennie scene that has nothing sexual about it and when they watched they thought that it was something sexual, to me made me lose respect but I still understand their struggle. Jennie is just a beautiful woman in a nurse costume

[@bangbanginmyhead]

@@joywonder8092 Yall stans really believe a legit health workers' union is just blindly "targeting Jennie or YG" and "waited up til now" to "target them"....... lord... You have to be wilfully ignorant and dense if you don't think that scene doesn't fit into the "sexy nurse" trope that actual nurses are against because of how it perpetuates negative stereotypes that discredit their profession and also contribute to harassment in their workplace. Have you ever paused to wonder perhaps the reason why people didn't think much about that scene in the MV at first could be because of how prevalent nurses have been objectified in media to the point it has become a norm..? Also, this isn't the first time that actual nurses have voiced their discomfort over the "sexy nurse" imagery but yea, keep being blinded with your whataboutism. www.businessinsider.com/nurses-on-what-they-think-of-sexy-nurse-costumes-halloween www.truthaboutnursing.org/faq/naughty_nurse.html#gsc.tab=0

[@dianagonzalez624]

The moment you are treated like nurses are then you can act like it’s not a big deal. I was a nurse and was treated like that,. Secondly ICE CREAM manufacturers really, I haven’t heard that stupid of a comment in a long time. I like you but this is not art, imo. The video was not the issue for me, your comment was.

[@AB-rl8iz]

Yes, the moment he brought up ice cream as an example I realised that he couldn’t take the whole issue seriously and it seemed like a big fat joke to him - but this is exactly what’s wrong in the culture that needs to be addressed. I can’t imagine working in my profession and being harassed because people see it as a joke.. (I work in legal so I’m used to the misconceptions and judgmental attitudes people have towards my profession but at least it doesn’t put my life or dignity at risk). I’m so sorry you’ve had to go through that. Sending you my warmest hugs.

[@larak877]

I completely agree. I used to watch this channel quite a bit but could not take these random outbursts, which often came off as disrespectful, immature, and a result of not attempting to look at the other side of a situation (the other side being the opinions of women actually working in the field).

[@dianagonzalez624]

A B thank you for the hug needed it very much. I am retired now but since it’s an ongoing issue (clearly) I felt I needed to say something. Nurses are risking their lives every day they need to be respected they need to be treated with dignity and they need to have people especially people on television and in the public to address the issue like adults.

[@Karen-ib4wf]

The moment Danny brought up the "Ice Cream" thing, I realized that he doesn't get it, he went totally off-point.

[@peachesbloom]

I’m surprised y’all left out that one of the arguments from the Union was that the Nth Room had a room specific for nurse fetishes

[@AB-rl8iz]

Oh my god... I had no idea.. oh shit this make it so much worse

[@sineismina4496]

These “rappers” are those who constantly disrespect kpop artists calling them “plastics” and “sissy” but then doing stuff like this.

[@anyone1111]

👏👏👏

[@greenbananas12378]

“Don’t censor art” there’s a difference between censoring and being thoughtful and not offensive...... did you really compare ice cream to a woman

[@stupidbitch1299]

Art can and should be censored if its causing harm to real ppl in real life dont forget that it has been historically used to oppress marginalized ppl bcz it has a great deal of influence So yeah that statement was very insensitive

[@em5522]

Imagine trying to invalidate the opinions and feelings of a female nurse about her experience over her profession when you aren't one, yourself. 🙄

[@Jauhelihakeitto]

We can still agree with the nurses that say this isn't a problem though??

[@em5522]

@@Jauhelihakeitto Yes, but that still doesn't invalidate the ones who do find this problematic, especially when they are the ones who get personally affected by things like this. I'm just saying people should not dismiss or belittle those being affected when they speak up about injustices involving them.

[@cvyk1295]

The problem here is that that SKUSTA CLEE is not stopping. Plagiarism is a crime. If we keep on tolerating this rapper these people will continuously victimize other artists and their works. Someone has to teach them their place and that the law isn't below them. What if they steal small artist's works? Who will protect and help these small artists?

[@malachiferrer92]

that is why i never listen to his songs. earning by stealing someone elses beats.

[@nhelcruz7775]

Skusta clee and his gang are all trash. Toxic attitude. They're not famous here in Ph bcos of their songs, they're famous bcos they're bullshits 🤔

[@alizeedenave478]

My opinion on the Lovesick girls mv: If the lyrics are about a doctor, why did they dress her as a nurse? Then I'm sorry, but it doesn't "reflect the lyrics". Obviously they chose it because of its "sexual" content. They are wearing sexy clothes in the whole video, and a doctor's outfit is not as sexy. If they chose it because it's sexy, then it's sexual objectification. You said that feminist's message is to let people wear what they want and I agree, but did she want to wear that or did the company make her wear it? I don't think anyone wants to censure it, people are just putting the topic on the table so the public would see what is wrong with that way of picturing nurses.

[@yinamaya1078]

Hands up to this comment

[@fredojeffersonchow4325]

Lol there is other group who did even worse and sexier concept. Why they only complain and criticised blackpink? Tell me. I feel that many ppl are trying to drag them down. Check the video kzbin.info/www/bejne/fX_KmZV8hNOmrdU

[@alizeedenave478]

@@fredojeffersonchow4325 I don't know about others, but I do love Blackpink, that is the reason why I would love if they could stop being in this kind of controversy. Being sexy is not the problem here, it's portraying nurses as sexy, therefor objectifying them.

[@fredojeffersonchow4325]

@@alizeedenave478 other group are doing worse in portraying the sexy nurses uniform before too. u can check from my link. what i meant is that why the assocition only drag bp down. im just confused

[@alizeedenave478]

@@fredojeffersonchow4325 I hope it doesnt drag BP down, it certainly isn't my intention. I love BP and that's why I want them to be better then all the others you show me through this link.

[@NamiStuff]

I think the comparison with firefighters outfits and profession being sexualized is not fair, because firefighters aren't a target of sexual assault and sexual abuse as a constant due to this. Which is the same with ice-cream makers.

[@blueangel1939]

I was thinking that too, I completely disagree with Danny it sounded very insensitive and quite ignorant.

[@AniMin82]

Yes. This.

[@Melanie-jy2nw]

Art censorship is a debate that has been going on for years and freedom of speech sounds like the side he is planted firmly on. I think he was automatically going on the defence of freedom of speech without really thinking deeply of what he was saying. Automatic reaction if that makes sense. I myself have been a part of that conversation and both sides have good points. I’m on the side of not to censor art as it starts conversations that need to happen. The music video and Jennie didn’t sexualize the uniform itself imo but nurses have good reason to be tired of this stereotype that is harmful to them. Hopefully this will start conversation in Korea about old stereotypes of nurses and female professions, sexual abuse in these fields as well as the sexualisation of uniforms (including school uniforms). Just cutting that 5 seconds out of the video really won’t help change anything. Conversation will do more for society at large.

[@mio26k82]

How do you know that fire fighters aren't target of sexual assault ?

[@crystalice2458]

That's a big illogical fallacy. You can't just generalise a whole proffession and say that nobody in that proffession are targets of sexual assault. Just like you can't generalize the whole nurse proffession and say that their feelings and fears and angers are invalid. I've actually seen many articles about the prevelant sexual assault and harrasment problem in fire departments, literally just look it up.

[@solheinroth13]

Her outfit it's not even provocative and she's just sitting in a chair

[@alexy7825]

BTS is being treated like shit and being mocked at here in the Philippines and we Filipino ARMYs are being called toxic and mocked as well almost everyday. We certainly are doing our best to educate people, but we always get degraded. This issue about plagiarism caused us so much stress. Even non ARMYs and KPOP stans are mad. Most toxic locals took this situation as an advantage to label us as someone who doesn't appreciate local music. This is so stressful. I hope that international ARMYs know that we are so disappointed and hurt about our own country as well. BTS being treated as shit is one thing, then there's the government, the pandemic, and other issues. Philippines is really problematic.

[@morax5470]

Ikr,my country is kinda similar to that too.But thank god,my classmates knows how much I love BTS and they respected me :)

[@tsumiimmd]

This is true.

[@ackermanlevi3265]

Well Philippines is country who has lost it's culture some of them can't even speak Tagalog properly. They think fair skin and speaking English is cool. Trash country.

[@maera7887]

I strongly agree

[@bigswings2414]

I can not disagree more with Danny on the whole “we are going back to the dark ages.” Let me just say this, I am a artist. I have a degree. I am making a 2d animation movie. I love art. Art is my whole life. That said when you want to use “it’s art don’t censor it” you walk a thin line. Art is meant to be critiqued and criticized. Its supposed to be a social critique. But when something is wrong, yes even in art, it should be called out immediately. If I draw black face for a black character and people call me out is that censoring? No of course not and to think so is fucking delusional. It’s criticism and critique. So implying that criticism of overly sexualized costumes is “CENSORING” is just flat out wrong. The point of calling out hyper sexualized costumes is that it promotes a culture where women are seen just for their bodies and not for anything else. It’s bringing awareness to a actual issue. It’s not regression society into the fucking dark ages.

[@softfirefly474]

completely agree with you, Danny always says some dumb shit like this but it's actually entertaining bc I can always find 100000 reasons to disagree with him

[@kirampd4545]

Criticism is fine and well but isn't a call to action for the art to be removed/altered sliding into censorship? They are demanding for the MV to be changed.

[@raerohan4241]

I agree but what about that outfit and scene was even remotely sexual? I’ve been replaying it for ages, trying to understand, but I just don’t see it at all

[@ammaranuar2544]

Hyper sexualized costumes? Wow, now you're really stretching the issue. Your comment is exactly Danny's point. In reality, Jennie's costume is just highly stylized and it is nothing compared to other depictions of nurses that you see in other forms of media such as porn. Yes, you have the right to criticize art but there's also a difference between criticism and exaggerating a trivial issue.

[@Echo11_]

But why should Jennie be shamed for wearing an outfit that offends you? It's her body, she can wear what she wants.

[@Ari-ql1dp]

So if the nurse outfit is sexualizing nurses then what about all the school uniforms in kpop lol ?

[@masterofIich]

No that's supposed to be cute:D life was a mistake

[@aser5054]

THIS. Where’s the outrage when these artists are sexualizing children’s school clothes?

[@prisharai7225]

Reyna idk but I’ve never seen idols wearing school outfits as a sexual thing, they always wear them during cute or cool concepts

[@aser5054]

Prisha Rai - HelloVenus’ Sticky Sticky inkigayo performance. Now you have.

[@shristisharma6635]

As a nurse in other country, nurses are quite sensitive profession.. In my country they even critisize if we do tiktok video in proper nurse dress....

[@amandaadkins3253]

"ice cream isn't a woman" - David **my king I love this show and David and Danny but the latter’s comparison of the Lovesick mv’s sexualization of nurses vs. a hypothetical sexualization of ice cream/manufacturers in the Ice Cream mv underlines the main issue in the sexualization of women, esp. nurses - that women are constantly objectified and viewed as PRODUCTS. - I understand that this sort of perception is societally ingrained in us from birth but we have to be actively unlearning this in order to achieve gender equality. - furthermore, I get that men may have a harder time understanding this (b/c obvi) but you have to BELIEVE women and BELIEVE nurses when they admit that something like this is uncomfy.

[@raincandy3]

I generally like your commentaries but Danny's comment that basically meant that people who feel objectified/sexualized should just look the other way and stfu, really did not sit well with me. That's type of thinking is so disgusting. It's not about censorship of art but about discussion and criticism of such "art" and by extension, society. I normally have nothing but positive things to say about you guys but just no. And some people may try to argue that Danny didn't mean it that despite pretty much saying that outright. But no one knows what your original intent is, they only know what you manage to convey. And that jarringly callous sentiment was conveyed to me.

[@mariannek6735]

I agree 100 %, I feel the exact same way.

[@kimberlykim1265]

When he's been sexualized like that he can argue. I think they should've had a woman come on and talk about it. They both seem to have no concept of being treated that way. Or empathizing with someone who has been treated that way. Nurses not only deal with sexual harrassment but with being dismissed as lacking knowledge because they aren't drs or just for being a woman. I found it offensive and I'm not a nurse.

[@GraceW-jx3ll]

Yeah I generally agree with his opinions but this one was NOT IT😐

[@raincandy3]

@@kimberlykim1265 yes. I absolutely agree. I was appalled by how the sheer ignorance to compare this degree of sexualization to that of a firefighter. An easy way to visualize would be: what Halloween costume design comes to mind for each profession and the respective sex?

[@Maraaha55]

Danny likes to portray himself as a critical thinker, but often simply echoes reactionary non-thinking rejections of people who disagree with his often simplistic perspective. Not censor art? When was that kind of freedom ever a thing? Art is censored ALL THE TIME: commercially (will this lose us money?), ethically (should we really show a hunter dismembering a live monkey, or repeat the 19thC demonstration in front of a paying audience, where a doctor plunged a knife into the spine of a screaming unanaesthetised pig, showing how at each stage the initial pain was followed by no reaction to further knifing that site? And before you think that was science, it wasn't it was entertainment.), sexually (grown men seem unable to cope with a breastfeeding woman doing so in public?!), culturally (Japan and Iceland are very cagey about showing an actual hunt of cetaceans in trapped a bay filled with blood). Any attempt to show a piece of art with those details WILL be censored. It seems perfectly sensible to consider what sort of society you want to live in and chose to promote art that is likely to help develop that, and to demote or restrict the opposite. Now, any decision on that needs to closely consider all the possible implications and benefits of either action, but don't try to tell me that YG had that kind of debate before the nurse costume was used. And btw, I don't think Jennie's rigout was particularly provocative, but, guess what? I'm not a nurse, I don't deal with that crap every day, and MY OPINION is irrelevant - the feelings of actual nurses is where the authority lies. Not with Danny, or even you David. Perhaps not with ANY male, unless they live with the issue every day (and for all I know, perhaps some do).

[@mackenzle-1426]

As a nursing student, I can definitely understand the outrage over Jennie`s outfit. The ideology that nurses are "sexy" or wtv persists because of the media`s portrayal of nurses. When nurses are sexualized, they feel like their work is being degraded and the profession loses some of its respect. Moreover, this can have impacts on the quality of their care because their patients will have a negative perception of nurses. They basically drill this into our heads in first year that sexualization of nurses = bad

[@mackenzle-1426]

@KZbinr ?? did you not understand what I said? I`m saying that nurses feel devalued when they are sexualized

[@scrulase]

KZbinr are you a nurse?

[@aminahali1380]

@@mackenzle-1426 but u dont get it ygs or at least jennies intentions weren't about sexualizing the outfit it explains the lyircs *no doctor could help when im love sick* and in korea not a single nurse has a problem is the antis that are creating a big problem idk if ur a kpop stan or at least a blink but that's a big problem in the fandom antis love to drag blackpik for no reason in the scene jennie is love sick and has mental problems after her heart being broken and shes a nurse tryna help jennie pls stop spreading information u don't know i agree with u about the nurse sexualizing but that wasn't blackpinks intention

[@shinryouzen]

aminah ali In Korea it’s not a problem? Are you sure? When the video above had statements from Korean Nurse Community and Korean Health Workers. Also I am a registered nurse in my country and I could see why they were offended and OP is right. YG couldve just made the video with Jennie wearing the correct nurse’s attire used nowadays instead of something that was obsolete for 30 years. With the added tension of COVID, more nurses are intensely stressed at work and are now also more exposed to sexual harassment since nurses are needed to be at work more. The nurses speaking out on this shouldnt be invalidated. But what IS wrong is that the blame being singled out on Jennie. I guess it has to do with the fact that their global popularity is gaining traction but this incorrect portrayal of nurses is a bad image on the Korean nursing profession. From the statements of the health workers though, they do not blame Jennie, they blame YG. But the antis who are hopping on this are putting the blame on Jennie. I’m not even a Blink but it is unfair to put everything on her. Of course the outfit is not meant to be sexy, it was just portrayed incorrectly which instigated stereotypes and fetishism. So with all due respect, removing the scene is the best option imo. As a woman it is difficult to handle this situation because we are always the ones who have to adjust to the minds of perverts. But as a nurse, it can be seen as offensive and degrading to the nursing profession when nurses are portrayed incorrectly. If YG had just let her wear a doctor’s uniform I bet it wouldnt probably gain as much attention (mostly just antis would be loud maybe, but not much doctors since it’s male-dominated). But with how female-dominated professions like nurses and maids are sexualized and with the Nth room situation having a subgroup for sexy nurse fetish, then I can understand why Korean nurses had the last straw.

[@blackpinkinyourcupcake262]

So is the problem Jennies outfit or the disgusting peoples mindsets that are associating with anything remotely sexual. Should people criticize men for thinking this way instead of a women for how she dresses. I dont think a women should have to change herself in order to not be objectified sexually, this going beyond nurses and for every women in the world. I dont get why this issue was brought to pop music video which contain 4 seconds of this clip and not toward pornsites that capitalize on "roleplay of this" as a main category of their video? To add further, Blackpink isnt the first girl group to use the nurse clothes and of course Boy groups get a free pass in wearing doctor clothes or anything from any profession because of the blatant double standards in society.

[@MarK-hn1sz]

I think one of the reason korean nurses were offended because nurses nowadays are fighting hard for our lives because of this pandemic and the potrayal of a sexy nurses in this mv kinda like belittle their fight. I understand them completely because I’m also a frontliners working against this pandemic.

[@bluesideloml3150]

but the point is its not supposed to be sexy even from their side- no fan ever pointed it out as "oh wait jennie looks sexy in the nurse-like outfit" it was just portrayed as "oh they mean there isn't a doctor for being lovesick" big ggs in the past have hyper-sexualized far too much, the whole concept of the mv has nothing to do with appearing sexual, but the older grps had a very much seducing concept but no one ever called it out. it only seems like they regret not calling it out earlier so now they are spotting things that dont even have anything to do with it.

[@poonamnegi4364]

The thing is sampling is done in music industry every other artist do that but giving credit is what required..you just can't borrow someone's sample or beat without their consent atleast give a credit like others do..

[@violetharvey1673]

Yea like that tweet that their friend made about how the flow is borrowed from Kendrick Lamar, then SAY that in your credits and not in some tweet after being called out.

[@poonamnegi4364]

@@violetharvey1673 Exactly give them credits.. They didn't credited nobody they even plagiarised the DDAENG with Deym i mean why they thought nobody will noticed.. Our boys has given each artist credit for the sample they used they didn't borrow just like that

[@imsinkingfast]

Well, no. You can't just sample another artists work and give them credit and its all good. You have to obtain a license and then pay royalties to the songwriter who created the part you want to use. That's why people try to get away with this type of thing, they don't want to pay, or the creator isn't interested in licensing their work or have a signed exclusive deal with the original artist it was created for.

[@blueangel1939]

This !!!

[@GraceW-jx3ll]

Ok yeah...but they completely ripped off bad boy tho hahaha

[@teddybear9459]

Sometimes I really feel bad for kpop idols man, like South Koreans basically worship them like god if they have a very good image but one small mistake and they are bashed like hell. Sad

[@barbaro267]

Seriously! Fans make themselves out to be like family, but all they are are judges of the appearance and character of idols.

[@tshegokgobane9221]

There's no room for them to make mistakes, It's so sad

[@chelzyv_2499]

Really sad coz idols are human too not actually a God who is perfect.... poor jenny😢.... tbh im starting to hate knetz

[@Noe-ev8ng]

So true

[@cristinamenendez2443]

What women mean when we say "we want to wear whatever we want" is that "the clothes I wear do not affect how others treat me". Meaning: i can wear a skirt if I want and that does not give "permission" to a rapist to rape me because my clothes are revealing etc. When we say "we should not be portrayed like this" is because throughout history we have been FORCED to wear uncomfortable and not practical outfits for work because we had to still look "pretty" while working. Ex: wearing heels when you need to be standing up for 8h straight, wearing tight skirts when they make it more difficult to move instead of pants etc. Getting these "uniforms" to change towards less sexualised ones has been incredibly hard, so that is why we get so angry when they are brought back for the "aesthetic".

[@elainea.m.9031]

Just like white people shouldn't invalidate the opinion of POC when it comes to racial discrimination, men shouldn't invalidate the opinion of women when we're discussing sexual objectification. The way certain professions are portrayed in the entertainment industry has an impact on how women are treated daily in the workplace. You don't know because you're men, you don't know because you've never experienced it. I, as many women, have, so please please don't mix up things. One thing is feminism, another is bigotry when it comes to clothes. Here we're talking about actual nurses feeling unconfortable with the image of sexy nurses, can't you at least listen? SK, as many other countries, doesn't really shine for gender equality and women are objectified in many work environments. Change needs to start from somewhere and even if it's just a few seconds in an MV it could be a starting point.

[@Vecnaserpent]

I get your point but in that MV you can literally see that scene has a direct relation with lyrics. And there are literally many nurses who think that this is over exaggerated, she was not showing any cleavage nor was she referencing to any sexual activity.

[@InLKdream]

Except that it wasn't the image of "sexy nurse" and that outfit was rather conservative in comparison to other uniforms worn in kpop videos over the years. You call essentially siding with men who will say I abused/raped you because of what you were wearing feminism? These nurses just sanctioned this excuse. I mean this reasoning is saying if a child in a school uniform got abused it's because someone saw a kpop vid where the group was fetish-sizing school uniforms? This is such stone age logic it pains me to believe nurses actually think like this

[@adinaelena4939]

Its a fucking music video, its not supposed to be realistic, its not even a sexy outfit and jennie isnt sexualizing nurses, PEOPLE ARE SEXUALAZING HER and make the whole thing into something that wasnt supposed to be, the scene în the mv had a totally different meaning

[@InLKdream]

As a POC I also don't agree with dismissing sound views just because of someone's skin colour, this is racism at least by the original definition not this new convenient one that makes certain people accountable and others not. If someone is chatting nonsense I dismiss them regardless of the colour of their skin, that's equality.

[@user-m4st3ll]

ikr I don't know how they're letting this pass, the company is owned by a dude that perved on his trainee and married her, and the original lyrics of boombayah went oppayah

[@rf6941]

The reaction is overreacted by the nurses but it's their right to voice their opinion BUT where was this energy when other idols wore even more sexualized nurse outfits such as mamamoo, snsd (mrmr) and more? In my opinion, the scene was not sexual at all.

[@emosekki]

Blackpink is the biggest gg in kpop. With that much attention, you are also opening yourself to that much criticism. If they were a small group with 50 followers, they could do whatever the hell they wanted without anyone caring at all.

[@janeyu22]

@@emosekki Well, SNSD is called Nation Girl Group, they are more popular in Korea . So why they aren't being targeted at like Blackpink then?

[@emosekki]

@@janeyu22 SNSD? Are they even active now? It would make more sense if you had said twice or sumn. And yes. twice is also getting their share of warranted or unwarranted criticisms. So is every other really successful group out there.

[@janeyu22]

@@emosekki They are still active when Mr Mr came out. And active or not, SNSD is nation girl group and people know them, they absolutely not a small group as you said. I said SNSD as example. You can include Twice if u want.

[@hahi0982]

You cannot just tell to the people who feel offended to just not watch it. Those who feel offended are the ones who would be on the receiving end. Those who watch it and feel that nurses can be sexually objectified will be the one sexually assaulting them. That's why they're asking for the scene to edited out because in the end the one being sexually assault while doing their job are the nurses who don't watch it. And honestly I do think that the nurses are not upset with the scene in particular. They are just upset on how they are always being portrayed and the mv just become a reference where they used to make their point.

[@emilykate0835]

I empathize with any woman that has faced sexual harassment, but I do not see how Jennie’s costume is sexual in the slightest. Her blouse completely covers her shoulders and chest, her skirt is to her knees, she is literally just SITTING THERE. There are countless feminine professions that get sexualized in music videos constantly (librarians, flight attendants, teachers, etc) and it is definitely a problem, but this is not that. Jennie is not showing off her body or dancing provocatively. The camerawork is not submitting to the male gaze. She is wearing a historically accurate costume for a music video because it’s more fashionable than more modern, effective scrubs. If you think a woman is sexualized just because she’s pretty YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

[@candaces.7547]

She's clearly supposed to look sexy, though. I don't agree with the criticism but come on.

[@stephy._.9709]

PERIODT

[@emilykate0835]

@@candaces.7547 I just don't understand that. How? By wearing a dress? By singing a song? By sitting in a chair? By having a pretty face?

[@Thistledove]

Has nothing to do with the "sexuality" of Jennie's costume. Jennie is totally innocent on this. I am a registered nurse and that has never been our attire. Currently it's hazmat suits. Nurses are damn tired of chauvinistic perverted treatment they get from uneducated populist. By the way we own our stethoscope.

[@emilykate0835]

@@Thistledove exactly. Nurses deserve professional treatment. But Jennie has nothing to do with that conversation.

[@Yeonbin]

actually the dude who plagiarized daechwita got an email about it from someone who i assume is the one who handles international conflicts and that they needed to claim his song as a cover song of daechwita

[@pamelabernabe8308]

Is it that hard to make art without disrespecting woman? Or someone’s religion? Or race? Sexual orientation? Art should not be repressed but don’t expect people to like it, or pretend that you’re a good role model. Live by that and be a trashy artist who doesn’t give a sht (I’m also talking about artist I’m general)

[@kaveew]

Exactly also what he said "if you don't like it don't watch it" in this context is wrong you can't justify such a delicate case like using ganesha a literal god and fuckin sexualizing it or even the nurse outfits

[@bluesideloml3150]

well david alr corrected his point whats this fuss about

[@Blue-wo1pu]

Danny disregards the fact that nurses in particular is a profession that is belittled, taken for granted, under-appreciated and etc. they're just asking to at least not be sexualized. It's not the same if it's firefighters, you can't make that comparison.

[@connieyipjiaxin]

Jennie’s outfit wasn’t even sexy

[@mustaqee1]

But why korean netizens are releasing it right now? When SNSD and TWICE member wore this nurse outfits no body criticized them. I respect nurses and i am sure everyone respects them but cancel blackpink isn't the solution. ITS PURE HATE.

[@connieyipjiaxin]

sana K ikr...

[@zuko_24568]

But did you even watch the video? The nurse outfit wasn’t being sexualized at all. The problem is actually that some people viewed it that way when there was nothing sexual about that scene at all.

[@lightefilit]

@@connieyipjiaxin just because you are used to see shit like WAP, doesn't mean it wasn't sexy. Short skirt and red heels is still considered as a "sexy" outfit.

[@taliamirai970]

Oh, Danny. I was rooting for you... In general, when you preface comments with "I don't get it" or "I'm not ", then I think that merits taking more of a backseat and listening. Or, sharing your comments/perspective but acknowledging maybe your opinion is invalid to whether it's bad or not. Not finding personal offense in something doesn't negate it being potentially offensive. Likewise, something being offensive to some doesn't require it should be changed. But asking people to be thoughtful or aware of issues/images still applicable to current problems isn't censorship. And there is no history of sexualization against firefighters or ice cream (lul whut) that has perpetuated crimes against them. Sure, the sexy male firefighter is a thing, but male firefighters aren't sexually harassed or assaulted -because- they are firefighters. So it's not an apples to apples comparison. Regardless of how you/others who aren't nurses feel, the perspective of nurses is the one that matters the most and even if YP/BP doesn't do anything about it, listening could be worth it. Also: saying "If you don't like it, just don't look at it" has never progressed anything forward ever.

[@MKMiguel]

Agreed

[@Bluetree0502]

Yeah, very disappointed. Read the room, Danny. Mansplaining to your audience, which is overwhelmingly female... smh

[@miss_jess]

Thank you. Got it in a nut shell.

[@LaLaSays]

Towards the end there, his talk about ice cream workers sounded like he realizes he backed himself into a corner and reverted to flippancy instead. This was a rare moment I completely disagreed with Danny’s view. Censorship of art (subjective in this regard-because the outfit was obviously an unnecessary gratuitous concept for the music video team) was his priority over the issue of objectification of a well respected profession and the women (and men) who toil daily in a stressful and demanding field. Like someone said, they could’ve used a real nurses scrubs or better yet, as the lyrics implied, a doctor’s uniform. But Danny would rather they not censor the conscious choice for art. Regardless of consequence. This is the generation and the world we live in.

[@toyaqueen]

seriously

[@cc4217]

that firefighter comparison was just so... ignorant. Like many others have pointed out, nurses are victims of sexual assault usually because of their title and it was so common to the point where people would brush it off. It's disappointing to feel like Danny doesn't like the feminist movement (not saying he said that he doesn't, just what it seemed like from the uncomfortable look on his face). It's comments like that firefighter comment that highlights why more people need to be educated on feminism. It's not my place to say whether or not the nurse outfit was poor in taste because I am not a nurse, but if there are nurses that say "hey, this is something that affects me in my profession and in life, I experience harassment and depictions like this make it worse" then I do not think it's our (and especially men)'s place to get angry and upset over that. Instead, we should open up a conversation as to why these depictions are harmful and figure out how we can make it better. Frankly, it was really disappointing to see Danny's reactions and responses and I hope he can look at this issue from another perspective. Also, intent and impact are two different things that everyone needs to learn to differentiate.

[@delphineliu5375]

About the nurse thing, I think it honestly is sexual objectification, and I think that nurses definitely have a right to be mad because I know that this type of stuff can effect them. But there is no reason you should go after BLACKPINK for this because this type of costume is in so much media especially in movies and other things. So call for a systemic change in the way we portray women instead of coming after one person who honestly I believe is kind of innocent.

[@nguyengirl7684]

In regards to people saying, "people are only mad because it's jennie, other girl groups have done it and had no issues in the past!". That's not entirely true. First, twice have received backlash for their portrayal of flight attendants a few yrs back. and in terms of why other groups who used nurse outfits before not getting in trouble for it, i think alot of it is timing. I personally saw nothing wrong with Jennie's outfit, but I feel that many nurses are under extra stress now due to covid, and the levels of sexual harassment they face now is higher as they are treating so many patients. Imagine working these crazy shifts at the hospital, having to put up with sexual harassment from people you are literally saving from covid, then seeing your profession being portrayed in this way. tbh, if this mv came out a yr ago i don't think it would have caused issues, but with covid i can see how nurses might get irritated with this

[@soulofhearts2460]

It’s dumb tho. It’s literally the lyrics of the mv, what is she supposed to do have a scene that doesn’t relate to the lyrics?

[@aratheropinionatedindividu3466]

soul of hearts The lyrics of the mv is “No doctor could help when I’m lovesick.” Why couldn’t yg dress Jennie in a doctor’s outfit?

[@gracec7599]

a rather opinionated individual I think they would call that objectification too

[@sasukexxnaruto123]

"other girl groups have done it and had no issues in the past". Didn't you watch the above video, they said nurses has been fighting for costumes to not be used as sexual representation for years but still YG does that in the lovesick video.

[@rosesare652]

It's a scene that relates to the lyrics though. It wouldn't of mattered if she wore scrubs or pants and a doctors coat, she still would have got slammed for it. I understand that nurses in Korea are sensitive but if they're really that busy why are they bothering to slander a idol to such an extent instead of doing their jobs? They're being overly sensitive and Jennie wasn't even being inappropriate in the scene itself. They portrayed the lyrics perfectly but because it's Jennie everyone blew up at her.

[@y00ng1]

the argument "if you don't like it, don't watch it" is so fucking childish. If "art" is harming a whole group of people, it is no longer just art and it is okay for them to talk about it, in that case, you are trying to censor them. It is women and nurses who are harassed every day, not you. You are not a woman or a nurse, the least you can do is empathize and don't invalidate something really real for them. I am so disappointed and as a woman I feel disrespected and trigger by the way you spoke. ART IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HUMAN DESENCE AND RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY DO THAT JOB AND LIVE THOSE LIVES? If you think that way, I feel sorry for you. This is not about BlackPink. This is directly for Danny.

[@post2aku]

For nurse outfit, why dont YG put Jennie in Dr coat rather than nurse? That fit more to the lyric. I think nurses union take offence on the red heels. While it understandable to use red to represent love, its the heels package with skirt could be the trigger.

[@AB-rl8iz]

Dear Danny - re Jennie’s outfit, I felt really disgusted by your response of “I don’t even know what they (females) want anymore” and “if nurses feel uncomfortable about it, then don’t watch it”. I feel very disappointed by your lack of maturity here. Never thought this day would come.

[@SadicMoutExt12]

It's always delicate to say "art has its boundaries" or "art knows no boundaries". Art can be used to trigger people and expose things that should shock us daily but often don't, when they're not thrown at our face directly. Sometimes, while looking at a piece of art, or while experiencing it, you are expected to feel offended. Censoring art is thus also often proof of terrible flaws in a political and social system. Here, however, that very moment when we see Jennie in the nurse outfit comes a bit out of nowhere in the rest of the music video. The lyrics talk about a drug being quit, suggesting a former addiction to love, and the set shows benches and chairs: it is supposed to refer to a psychiatrist's office, but while willingly mixing elements of the medical world that usually don't go together. I am a feminist and I do believe women should be allowed to wear whatever they want without people calling them sl*ts or saying afterwards "you asked for it". But while I was watching the MV, I thought "Was it necessary?". And the answer was "no, it wasn't". There were many ways to depict addiction or even psychoanalysis. And once again, nurses don't belong to that part of the medical realm. But then, sure, it's a music video, so it's not necessarily realistic, right? Well, it brought me back to male gaze. Because that scene is most likely a director's fantasy or whim, and not something that came to Jennie's or anybody's mind spontaneously while reading the lyrics. It plays on stereotypes that go way back: men's fantasy to be taken care of by women, to be mothered, and eroticising them in the process (notably in the military, where men longed for sex and coming back home to their gfs. The only female presence during wars were often the medical staff). The sexy nurse stereotype was born in the 16th century: women were expected to tend to their families. So women who were actually working (not in the fields or in shops with their family but in the streets, alone) were necessarily family-less and low class. These women often did two jobs: nurses... and prostitutes. Both. Until the mid 18th, it remained so. But that combination was still anchored in the minds after that. The early 20th cartoons and other forms of popular art eroticised nurses a lot (see for instance Betty Boop in a nurse costume). There was also that famous photo of a sailor kissing a nurse (against her will btw) in Times Square that triggered a sort of trend... and then, there was pornography, of course. So you see, yes, it objectifies a profession, and yes, it is harmful to women and nurses in general. But what bothers me most is that it's easy to see in the MV that the director did it "for the sake of it", just because it pleased him to do so. Do I blame Jennie? No. I don't know how it is with YG and the people they hire. Others could have had their word to say against this, but maybe Jennie couldn't... Or maybe she just didn't see the wrong in it. We cannot know, so we cannot judge. I just can understand why people are upset. As I said, art can often be offensive, but if it is, there usually is a deeper purpose. Here, there's none. Just a man's fantasy.

[@Daria-dy9bl]

omg you said it so right. this is not even about jennie idk why blinks think this is a personal attack to her. the statement released by the union was not even mentioning her name. this is about women trying to be taken serious at their work place and that they are done being portraied as a pretty female that stays behind a male doctor. if she wore a sexy outfit unrelated to nurses nobody would have a problem with that. ofc women can wear what they want but this is about the fact that men were never obligated to dress sexy for others pleasure, women did, and thats why they dont like that image. the comparison to ice cream is literally the problem here and its digusting. women are not objects, they are not food, they are people who ask for respect because they worked just as hard as men to have that job. men should not have a say in this. this is not about them. this is a problem that affects their(as in the nurses) job, personal and professional life and no one should tell them how they should feel. im not even gonna bring the Nth room because that is one of the most disgusting cases ive heard in my life and the poor women did not deserve it and ofc nurses would call any behaviour that would feed the fantasys of sick men. they just want respect idk what is so hard for people to understand. blinks have to put their little kpop bias aside and see this as the social issue that it is all around the world and as a human being not as an attack to jennie because thats not what it is ffs

[@Blizzystorm]

Thank you, this enlightened me even more.

[@meifa4126]

Thank you for concisely explaining the issue that is being discussed!

[@sandratarasova4205]

The whole conversation about the nurse outfits... Danny, you were so insensitive. You are not a woman neither are you a nurse so it would be nice of you not to say things the way you said them because it really sounds offensive (I disagree with your opinion - except for the point that Jennie personally shouldn’t be criticized for it, the agency though should - but my comment is not about that).

[@zuko_24568]

But neither that scene, nor Jennie’s outfit or the lyrics were sexual. It’s the viewers problem if they chose to view it that way. Deleting the scene is wrong and won’t do anything.

[@sandratarasova4205]

@@zuko_24568 I am not a nurse so I can't judge whether it is sexual but if the nurses say so, I think it should be believed. I agree that everything depends on our perception but the problem is that our perception is strongly influenced by the culture that surrounds us. Sexualizing nurses is a thing and it happens in our culture a lot so I can see why people might have been offended. I, of course, do not encourage to hate the company, I am only talking about constructive criticism. And it is up to the company to decide whether to listen to it or not but I think that it would be great if they did. I believe that they did not mean to offend anyone but if someone feels bad about something, it's just nice to listen to this someone. In my belief that would make the world a better place But I, actually, didn't want to start any debate by my comment, I just wanted to say that I found the way that Danny was talking about the topic was... well... As I said, insensitive. And I don't think that it is a nice way to lead a discussion

[@zuko_24568]

Sandra Tarasova I disagree. There are 2 issues at play here. 1) yes its true and unfortunate that nurses are victims of sexual harrasment and this is no doubt a real issue and kpop videos in the past have portrayed nurses in a sexual way which further contributes to their harassment. 2) this has nothing to do with the blackpink video. In this video, there is nothing sexual. Nothing sexual about the song, the scene, the lyrics, or Jennie’s outfit. The fact that some people are viewing Jennie in a sexualized way simply for sitting down and wearing a dress, that’s a problem. It’s the way that female idols are constantly sexualized and objectified over anything they wear, that’s misogyny and that’s a problem too. That’s why we are so upset. This is a separate issue than the nurses one but somehow its become entangled. So many kpop fans are tired of female idols being sexualized all the time, it’s a real issue and this whole debate is feeding into it. We are not speaking over nurses but we are expressing how it’s wrong that Jennie has been sexualized. She’s a victim here too, and we’re speaking up for her. I don’t understand how that is being perceived as speaking against Korean nurses. I understand their complains but I don’t think they apply to this video.

[@sandratarasova4205]

​@@zuko_24568 I totally agree with your point about Jennie and female idols in general (well, and male/non-binary/... idols too). And YES! Jennie shouldn't be blamed for that by any means. And I definitely don't blame her. And bullying her is awful & shouldn't happen But I don't think that this topic and the topic with the nurses are actually separated. It is just a general problem of sexism&sexualization and two subtopics - sexualization of nurses and idols - just overlapped. In the ideal world where there was no problem with sexualizing nurses, it would be no issue with wearing a nurse outfit. But in the current situation I see how it could be so. So, in my opinion, it would be great if the company deleted the scene I agree with "girls should be allowed to wear whatever they want" but here Jennie isn't just casually wearing whatever she wants or doesn't represent herself only. She is under a label. So it seems to me that it wasn't only her decision to wear this outfit but also (or even mainly) the company's. And the company is responsible for sexualizing Jennie herself. So it would be better to delete the scene. If it is not the case, and it was only Jennie's decision to wear the outfit, then I don't think that it would be necessary to delete anything. Yet again, I think that it would be just a nice thing to do. She wouldn't have to that but she could

[@zuko_24568]

Sandra Tarasova i mean, Jennie wrote this song, and specifically her rap verse. Also if you watch the behind the scenes making of the video, she talks about how much fun she had playing both the role of the nurse and the patient. It seems like this scene is special to her, and deleting it would be a shame because it would be disrespectful to her as an artist. That just sucks because male artists do not have to go through these kinds of restrictions on their art. And Jennie is a grown woman. She’s not like a teenager under a label. I think she understands what she is doing in her music videos and can make her own decisions at this point. Blackpink members’ stylist also said they are involved in the styling of their videos. Also by deleting it, YG is basically caving into to all those people who are sexualizing her. It’s basically the same as asking a girl to change her clothes rather than ask the guy to stop looking at her sexually.

[@ama2228]

I love how people always complain about what female idols are wearing but never seem to find any faults with male idols. They are ok with male idols revealing their chest and abs but females aren’t allowed to show cleavage. They are ok with male idols in their 20s wearing school boy outfits but female idols aren’t allowed to dress up as nurses. The double standards going on in Korea is ridiculous. Plus this issue goes beyond backpink and YG. The sexualisation of nurses, school girl outfits and other female associated professions is a societal issue that needs to be addressed properly and pointing fingers at blackpink or YG isn’t going to solve anything.

[@jimjam8653]

👏👏👏👏👏

[@taxenkiss8450]

Its more about the sexualization of women dominated professions rather than how jennie specifically looks. :/

[@mj_benav]

It is precisely because women are more sexualized and especially in Korea it is a matter of seeing the comments and seeing that they do not take feminism seriously, since they are still quite macho, not all, but they do not take it seriously, it is even seeing how the guy dressed in pink reacts. But in itself it's the companies' fault, not the idols really

[@taxenkiss8450]

@@mj_benav completely agree

[@ama2228]

I understand why people are mad about this but I think that they are pointing in the wrong direction. Rather than blaming the idols and their agencies why don’t they use that same level of outrage towards harassers and people in the comments who are sexualising her in that outfit? Because trust me no matter what Jennie or any other female idol wears there is a 99% chance that they will get sexualised. And besides feminism is about choice. As a woman I can choose to cover myself from head to toe without showing an inch of skin or i can go out in a bikini. IT Is MY CHOISE! And that freedom does not give any man or woman the right to sexually harass me. This is the conversation we should be having and not whether or not she should have worn a nurses outfit.

[@CrystalWilliamsBrownArt]

I want to pose a question. If the line in the song is about a doctor, why is she dressed like a nurse in the first place?

[@sippinonjinandnamjoos4859]

I'm not even a blink, but even I'm tired of all the unnecessary hate Blackpink is getting Edit: This issue isn't just with Jennie but with pop culture as a whole. Where was this outrage with porn (literally sexualizing every profession you can think of and minors with lolita category), Halloween costumes (sexy schoolgirl, police girl, nurse, etc.), and movies? If we're gonna call out a 5 second clip we're gonna also have to do it with the years worth of programming the media has done and sexual objectification normalization of professions that is so embedded in our culture. That is gonna be a difficult task because everything is so hyper sexualized now. I could go out dressed like a nun and I'd still get catcalled by pervs. I don't flirt or act suggestive, but as a woman I've still gotten sexually assaulted. What about the perpetrators do they not have accountability? Our mentality as a whole needs to change this is deeper than Kpop.

[@em5522]

My comment's irrelevant, but I love your username 💜

[@sippinonjinandnamjoos4859]

@@em5522 lol thanx 💜

[@thatlizzu8315]

Exactly like- soo many musicians wear this type of outfit in music videos, also many people dress like that as a costume. But as soon as jennie does it she gets hate..like wtf

[@joyceescalante5118]

The girlfriend really thought she did something 💀

[@nikumori4258]

As person who study to be a nurse I feel disgusted with men trying to compare nurses situation to firefighters.

[@melihoseok6759]

But if all these Korean nurses are saying this is sexual objectification, we should listen to them.

[@LoveLexi227]

The point of it is..why was it necessary that she need to wear a sexy nurse outfit? Are normal scrubs not enough to get the point across? People misjudge the harmful effects caused by stigma. Stigmatizing nurses as a sexual profession is offensive. Especially when us nurses work our asses off and are constantly belittled by physicians, the last thing we want is to be sexualized too. There’s no reason for the sexy outfit. And to tell those offended just not to watch it doesn’t prevent the stigma from spreading as millions of impressionable teens and adults do watch the video. So how is that helpful?

[@thesalonicashinta5512]

I agree! It she was meant to be a shrink, she could've worn proper clothes and it would still convey the same context for the MV.

[@yukinokoyuki1488]

First of all, thank you for your hardwork. I really respect the front liners. I just want to point out certain things. - Jennie didn't do anything sexual while wearing the nurse's outfit - She wear modest length of the outfit - the outfit are needed to potray the lyrics much more better - I believe every female can wear whatever they want - sometimes there are sick people that sexualize everything women wear - blinks are upset over unnecessary hates Jennie get when people can make things better by contacting the right way. I'm so sorry for the treatment u guys get everyday. I hope you guys stay well and safe

[@cylonempress2000]

Danny really shows the Korean men's typical perspective when it comes to some things. He seems to only see things from one point of view whereas David tries to view things from different perspectives. I have to give David props for that because it isn't easy to see things from a different lense. Also...Danny looks like a mom with that haircut or a 90s kpop boy group member

[@bluesideloml3150]

gdhsjs i swear he's usually nice guys 😭- he's just more rude with putting in his opinion, and tbh both of their positive opinions make up what dkdktv collectively believes.

[@meanyoongirl4272]

skustaclee and flow g. not a big time artist. they aren't even considered artist in our country. just rapper wannabes playing gangster. became famous with 1 song that they also plagarized from Justine B. they're not worth bighit's time. and duh they are really enjoying the attention right now. the Philippines is really ashamed of them.

[@bangtanlejindarybae]

i didn't even know they exist nor even ever heard their songs until their plagiarized issue pops in my feed.. i hope they get the punishment they deserve, or else they'll do it over and over again bcoz no one dares to correct them.. thank god for armys all over the world forprotecting our beloved bts 💜

[@jujullamanodrama]

LOUDER!

[@paumiras]

@@bangtanlejindarybae lol I didn't even know about the Bad Boy incident but when I heard his bootleg track i'm like NOOO WAAAAYYYY THIS HAS TO STOP

[@kizam5420]

I know them because of my cousins who LIKED them

[@meanyoongirl4272]

to be fair, their song was a hit in PH, like you can hear it everywhere. i forgot the title. it has a catchy beat. so when i first heard it, i was impressed. thought it has the same vibe with JB. and voila!! turns out that they plagarized it.

[@justdavid_92]

How was my Tagalog?

[@teddybear9459]

Please can you do a reaction video on love sick girls MV?

[@krismarlacaba7985]

Its so cute

[@pearlmeneses4951]

you're so cute speaking tagalog❤

[@mariyarosa170]

It's cute David 😅

[@izlhollero]

Actually it was good.👍 I like your pronunciation.😊👍

[@ekm18]

If the scene refers to a doctor shouldn't she be dressed like a doctor not a sexy nurse?

[@renjunbestboi9392]

Same question.

[@ken7605]

No doctor could help when she's lovesick

[@myc306]

I don't think people should hate Jennie. And I personally didn't find her outfit to be extremely revealing or sexual in any manner. But I think the nurses pointed out this case as an example of the way that their uniforms and profession are sexualized. I'm not a korean nurse so I can't speak on their issues, but I agree with them in the case that images like that can contribute to the way they're treated. And it's not just Jennie, Mamamoo did it, GG did it. If they feel uncomfortable, I think we should respect that. They no doubt face lots of sexual harassment because of they way they've been portrayed in popular media and I think calling this out was just a step in addressing that issue. It also reminds me of the US nurse costumes they wear on Halloween. It's disrespectful and has been called out, but people won't stop. All because they see nurses and women offended by it as "snowflakes" or "too sensitive". I think the disappointment is valid and should be taken seriously. I also want to reiterate that I didn't find to be Jennie's outfit sexual, however I can see how it does add onto the stereotypes and objectification of nurses. As well as stating how the outfits come off as degrading their profession. How come it's mostly women led professions(nurses,maids) that are sexualized. That's an issue you guys didn't touch on, nor do i think it's an issues two men can fully understand. Moreover, firefighters aren't saying stuff because I doubt they face that much sexual harassment at the workplace.

[@linhdinh3091]

Exactly, if you don't belong to certain oppressed groups, don't act as if you knew and experienced their struggle enough to rightfully represent them. Your not seeing it as sexualizing doesn't mean it is not sexualizing. Especially when the oppressed group speaks out, all you need to do is shut up and listen. I think the nurses' action is very brave and respectable - they must know this kind of ignorance will come their way but still decide to speak out. All social movements begin with someone taking the initiative.

[@myc306]

Hellen Wen I agree. I didn’t even see the dress as sexy at all. It’s just the uniform is made from misogyny so nurses don’t want it associated with their profession

[@myc306]

Hellen Wen I agree that victim blaming should 100% stop. I also don’t agree w/ ppl who body shame and say that Jennie was being sexual

[@nitalchordia606]

Exactly I disagree w Danny on this , I personally didn't find it sexual and I don't think YG intended to make it sexual, but it's not like my profession or my uniform and I don't have to face the oppression these nurses do , so I think we should be a little bit more sensitive towards the nurses as well instead of just being blinded as kpop fans and forget basic morals , plus nurses have faced sexual harassment and their job has been looked down upon bc of sexualisation of the nurse uniform unlike ice cream vendors , nurses are more prone to get harassed just bc they are nurses whereas ice cream vendors or firefighters don't usually get sexually harassed bc of their profession

[@InLKdream]

But you realise they are basically saying men who will use the excuse that they abused or even raped someone because of their outfit have a point? I don't understand why YG apologised and why people think sense should just exit the room when someone mentions their feelings. Both are necessary and anyone that tries to advocate for one over the other is always trying to pull some shit...like these nurses.

[@shabihasaiyara2966]

i am not a nurse or i live in korea but i felt uncomfortable by that scene. in my country there are same thing as a big group they need to be careful. i don't think yg will do anything because they don't care anyone and anything. as girl i don't think some people can understand what is this and the fact blackpink talks about woman power its werid that yg don't know about it

[@torrievail5583]

Fine. Imagine if male attorneys in k-dramas were consistently portrayed wearing skin tight pants with their genitals clearly outlined, or male attorneys with see through shirts, arguing in the courtroom, with their nipples showing. Would male prosecutors be okay to be portrayed this way? Or would they see it as demeaning to the profession?

[@victoriarivas6238]

The fact that Danny is more upset over the censoring of art than the sexualization of nurses...WOW

[@PORTSKINZ]

Really disappointed in his point of view

[@sweety3303]

Because there was no sexualization!!!! I get that the nurses have the right to voice their opinion but in this case, they r getting ridiculous! They r turning such trivial matter into this big without checking the facts n just following one person's point of view! It's not about the fit anymore n more about hating bp n Jennie! Anyway, I hope they r happy now, yg is editing the video

[@sweety3303]

@@greenscreen7954 I'm so tired of this sh*t so, I don't care anymore! Think whatever the hell u want, not gonna say anything anymore, yg is deleting it! End of story! Just remember karma is b*tch! Everything will work out on its own!

[@mio0101]

@@sweety3303 yeah karma is a bitch.. How they handled lord ganesha in hylt came back to bite on yg with korean nurses... Ha howyalikethat..

[@sweety3303]

@@mio0101 OMG still not over that?!!! YG edited the scene, didn't they? still not satisfied? Whatever! N talking about karma, maybe they got theirs but the others will surely get theirs too in due time!!! Ty very much

[@ayiniseasilyamused9215]

Ice cream makers, in contrast to nurses, are actively trying to sell ice cream. Most ice cream manufacturers wouldnt give a shit if people use it for sex, some percentage would probably even cater to it and market it that way. Nurses are in no way comparable to that.

[@infinity-gn9xq]

Ice cream or ice cream makers dnt save people.. nurses do.. they atleast deserve a little more respect..to say what they feel..

[@Jae63]

@@infinity-gn9xq bruh think of it this way you can say a politician is a fine and respectable occupation but we all agree to making fun of or mimicking crooked politicians of course most nurses aren" t evil but what do they expect people have been doing this for years the anger is coming from the fact that its jennie

[@infinity-gn9xq]

@@Jae63 i nevr said..weather its right or wrong,. I just said they should be allowed to speak .. instead of chalking everything down to feminazi bullshit.. Nd politicians arent respectable.. they are manipulative and greedy.. at least the ones in my country are.. so nurses comes way above politicians sister!!! Also my point was.. ice cream doesnt take care of the people..nurses do.. Its not about Jennie.. its about the costume.. BP songs always end up with a oopsie.. lol

[@vikkykimcrown9199]

@@infinity-gn9xq yes that so true there is always an oppsie in their mv first the scene in kill this love where rose was not wearing a seatbelt in the car second the god Ganesha stuff involving Lisa in how you like that now Jennie I think they should find a new editor and director for their mv and make it more fun or else it the girls that will be criticize not the staff

[@quackquack2436]

@@infinity-gn9xq you make me sick. Why would a human being deserve more respect than other based on their profession?

[@karlarosales1298]

The way media displays the “sexy nurse” image, people tend to follow that and it translates to sexual harassment in the work place. As a nurse myself, I’ve had to deal with patients that really portray me as that “sexy woman who takes care of me” and it’s disgusting and disrespectful. It’s true, they also portray the image of “sexy firemen” but I’ve never seen them dealing with sexual harassment or dealing with people not taking seriously the work they do because of how the media portrays them. That’s why I have an issue with the outfit, because it actually translates to a problem I have to deal with daily in my work environment.

[@crisg469]

We can wear whatever we want, but we are always going to get backlash. I also understand the nurses that are mad at this situation ; however, they should be criticizing the people that is sexualizing Jennie! Not Jennie! We as women should have each other’s backs! Instead of dragging ourselves down!!!!

[@Moonastronaut]

To be fair, I don't blame the idols themselves on any of these concepts as it's likely the label and the staff that made those decisions. There is some blame for the label for digging out some ancient sexy nurse outfit instead of using this song as a moment to empower the women. Nursing is a great occupation and you can make modern nurses's uniform a little more fitted and I think they'd still look amazing. If any human likes to dress up in whatever they want in their spare time because they like it then power to you, you do you. Blackpink are idolised by many young people, watched by many others of all ages and obviously they and the label don't "have" to take any responsibility to make the world a better place for women but it's sad when they are in such a powerful position to be a positive influence and squander it for what?! a few more won ₩?

[@crisg469]

meh I completely get you the company is the one that is to blame. That’s why I said that they should be criticizing the ones that are sexualizing them meaning YG and also the some people on the comments I just don’t think is fair that women get backlash like this for mistakes that could’ve been voided. I just feel sad that she is getting hate again.

[@estelaangeles2346]

@@crisg469 but people ask if idols watch women naked

[@crisg469]

Estela Angeles to tell you the true I haven’t seen people asking that. But, idols are humans they have a private life I don’t think we should be speculating about what they do or don’t

[@miyakakizakiseiro1723]

I don't get why ppl just look up on this when basically, they have tons of sexy outfits on their mvs, because they are recognized worldwide they have something to say. It isn't about the outfit. Sexualizing is not because of clothes, its because of their urge to do something. The fact that many kpop artist wore on what they say 'sexualizing' and excuse its October definitely can be a Halloween costume. And fyi this is Jennie's favorite scene cause of the set and all. Watch the mv behind the scenes.

[@rmsdimples2073]

But in the scene, Jennie sings: "No doctor can help if I'm lovesick" and she was just sitting there, not doing anything sexual at all. I don't know why everything a girls where have to be sexualize? Instead of blaming the girl, blame the people with that mentality.

[@otaku_say_aye905]

Totally, they themselves are promoting that notion cause no one had problem except the Korean nurses.I guess the other nurses around the world are not nurse🤔. Cant they take it like in movies representing patient and nurse where the hell did the sexualization thing came from

[@suzy_sun]

Then according to the lyrics she should have been wearing scrubs and a lab coat like a doctor...then they would have avoided all this drama and making nurses feel belittled.

[@rmsdimples2073]

Susy Gutierrez You know that it's not at all places that they wear srubs? Some do wear dress still. + she dressed like a nurse in the 70-80. Stop telling women what they should and should not wear. Tell people to stop seeing girls as objects instead.

[@aera.1999]

Exactly, these are the same people who will blame the victim for being harassed. People always put the blame on a woman's clothing

[@infiresbecauseillgotohell4798]

Exactly this is just stupid

[@louise-ih7ye]

I'm a nurse and although we don't wear this type of uniform anymore (except in nursing school) , we wear scrubs now. I don't see anything sexual with what Jennie was wearing probably because it wasn't sexual. I could think of it being sexual if let's say, her dress was button down or the video would show her doing something sexy or something but instead, all her buttons were fixed, she was sitting there holding a chart talking to a patient (in this case a love sick patient - which was Jennie too). Even the lyrics is according to the scene where it says 'No doctor could could help me when im lovesick'. This is where your perception of what being sexual is plays in and this needs to be changed. Us a society needs to change how we think about it. Also, I saw comments saying that shouldn't it be a doctor who talks to the patient (kind of backward comment if i may say so) its not just doctors who talks to patients, nurses do it too. I don't get the comments shown in the video too, its misleading because they're making it seem like Jennie was being lascivious hence this would attract sexual thinking from others - which let's agree in general, has been happening from the media and in real life too. - but Jennie is not the correct example if they want this protest to move forward.

[@Ykoz2016]

Danny. I don’t know how to explain this simply. Whenever you compare men (ex:firemen) being sexualized (which I don’t particularly support) to women you don’t seem to see the difference. Historically and typically when women are sexualized it’s in a way that makes them/portrays them as powerless but men are made in similar fantasy more powerful. Example. In a “nurse” “maid” “waitress” uniform typical fantasy the male boss or customer who finds the female employee attractive puts moves on her and because of her position in a service/ caretaker profession she is forced/coerced to submit. Or even if she is eager to submit (in the fantasy) it’s because her job to serve is combined with a desire to service men. But in scenarios involving men in uniform, firefighters or police or soldiers, the tone is different. The man and their job is portrayed as someone with power who is because of that power irresistible to women and uses that attractiveness to get any woman he wants. So again it’s about the man’s desire, choices, and freedom to choose. It’s the same in both cases. I have one more example that might make the point but I’m afraid to write it unless it’s considered too inappropriate for your channel. Anyway, continued exposure of these very different fantasies have equally different real world effects. A man in uniform, let’s say a attractive firefighter, might have women giggle and flirt and be complimentary to them. At worse they are annoying. But an attractive nurse might get hit on by a patient, politely turn him down, and he gets more aggressive/ insistent/ angry because she’s suppose to be more subservient to him and his desires according to the fantasy. I’m not even a part of this fight. Not a nurse, not a blink, not a cancel Danny feminist. And what I’m talking about isn’t specific to the MV since there are better examples. But I can only watch someone intelligent who believes in equality miss the point so many times without trying to explain. 🤷‍♀️ 😂 It’s not about sex. It’s about power. (PS to clarify. It’s not an accident that when men in uniform are turned into a fantasy the jobs chosen are jobs with power. People who rescue or save people, stop bad things from happening, take control of situations (fireman, cop, soldier, doctor) but not male waiters or nurses. When a profession is sexualized for women it’s a “service” “caretaker” position. Maid, nurse, waitress. Someone who will/ has to “take care of you and your needs” . It’s rarely a female cop, fireman, doctor, soldier. So that’s the real point. ) PPS) The MV and the uniform. Sigh. Older versions of many “service industry” uniforms were not practical to the job. This is true in a lot of countries. Nurses, waitresses, flight attendants, hotel staff etc. The uniform, ONLY for women, was designed to make the female employee more “attractive” (to men and male customers) and was NOT designed to make their jobs easier or more comfortable. Short tight skirts and heels more than anything. This has never been true for men (in the past). They did not design uniforms for men to be more attractive to female customers even if it made their jobs harder. So the woman in service being forced to be decorative on top of being good at their job and that not being equal to how men are treated (at least in uniform design) is why those older uniforms were fought against by the women in the profession and why using them now might feel like a step back for them. That’s more what the MV did from what I gather. And that’s all mixed in with the rest.) Okay! Done, 😅😂

[@flyingtoast414]

Well said👏🏽👏🏽

[@AniMin82]

Yes. This.

[@mariannek6735]

Perfectly explained. I really hope he reads this text.

[@AB-rl8iz]

SO WELL WRITTEN THANK YOU!!!!

[@AB-rl8iz]

Danny - this is just not ok. Please address this after reading and learning from all these comments.

[@BelieveInMyDaydreams]

I actually agree with the criticism of the nurse outfits. I'm a librarian and the "sexy librarian" stereotype is something that comes into my daily life believe it or not. Men who think they can call and ask what I'm wearing, come up to the desk and ask if I'm a "sexy librarian", and other inappropriate comments. I don't think that it is the end of the world or done with malicious intent but just because something has been done for so long to be normalized doesn't mean we shouldn't work to be better now.

[@shesmiles.6689]

Jennie didn't do anything though they are mostly sexualising Jennie and if nurses being sexualised in Korea like that I'm pretty sure that's Korea's problem within the crimes occouring around sexualising nurses. Everything can be sexualised these days from school uniforms to even wearing a normal lawyer suit

[@jeensjaams9933]

🤢😔 sorry u have to deal with that garbage

[@anywherebuthere91]

I don't have any stereotypes associated with me or what I do (I'm a stay at home mom now but I used to be a bus monitor lol) and I still get sexually harassed and intimidated just for existing. Men who want to do that stuff will look for any excuse, I think it would be a mistake to blame women who are just expressing themselves and dressing up for something that is the harasser's fault.

[@BelieveInMyDaydreams]

@@anywherebuthere91 Oh absolutely. Sexual harassment across the board is a huge issue we need to address and a woman getting harassed is never her fault. A woman can walk around completely naked and it doesn't give anyone the right to make unwelcome sexual advances. But I also still think it's worth having the conversation over these stereotypes that do exist. They were created by men and they are continued to appeal to men 90% of the time. Jenny didn't pick that outfit. Obviously Blackpink is set up to appeal sexually throughout their videos and I don't think there is anything wrong with that by any stretch of the imagination. Own your sexuality! But it's kind of silly that some people are saying that outfit was just a neutral nurse outfit. Everyone knows that isn't what nurses wear any more and the reasons that look has remained popular is because of its role in male fantasies. So any time we use that imagery we have to be aware of the history that comes with it. That doesn't mean you can't do it. Maybe you're doing it to reclaim an image or to make commentary on the stereotype. So I don't think it's something to cancel anyone over but I do think it's a discussion worth having.

[@anywherebuthere91]

@@BelieveInMyDaydreams Yeah but "a discussion worth having" shouldn't just be a pile on. I dunno, I was raised Southern Baptist with all this purity culture stuff, and a lot of the comments are sounding like something I'd hear at church. Like that women need to watch what they do because they'll bring women down and make men respect them less. Like Ben Shapiro talking about WAP, talking about how it was bad for women. The nurse outfit Jennie was wearing was sexual, I agree, this is a more Western stereotype but generally that outfit is used to suggest something. But I think its' a good thing it's the old uniform style and not what nurse's actually wear. Halloween is coming up here in the US and I feel like "slutty nurse" is going to be popular this year. Rather than blaming women for wanting to dress as some stereotype, I'd rather men who harass women of any profession were called out, held to account, and prosecuted. Blaming women holds that progress back I think.

[@yinyang1935]

The only thing I saw in Jennie's scene was, why was Nurse Jennie doing a 'therapy' session with the Lovesick Jennie? I mean that's off putting especially in this high time of mental health awareness. The scene was supposed to depict a therapy session but it didn't. That's what I thought.

[@RandiRooBoo]

Yeah if anything it perpetuates the narrative that women are crazy

[@yinyang1935]

@@RandiRooBoo Exactly. YGE seriously has to do better research on their concepts. Nothing wrong with being unique, but given the group's influence and following, they should really be careful with what they put out there. They cannot always excuse these mistakes as a 'separation of art'.

[@jaiyashree]

Same BP is only aesthetic music, opinion of a non fan, no hate

[@bigwommy2609]

a couple of tired tropes in that scene for sure

[@yedllagas6816]

Filipino here 🙋‍♀️ I am totally not proud of what Skusta Clee and Flow G did. But there are Filo Rappers who are REALLY good in their craft like GLOC 9. And I'm also an ARMY and I really like what you said, "It's not worth the energy." Hahaha! Thanks for this video. 😊

[@junnymaeacebes3093]

I'm a pinoy but I suggest that They deserve to be in jail. What a shame.

[@brendand.2874]

@@junnymaeacebes3093 don't call yur self pinoy kung ganyan ka! Oo may pagkakupal talaga ugali ng xb. But you can't deny thier talents. Dahil lng sa mga pagkakamali nila. Pinalaki nyo yung issue pinaabot nyo pa ng international. Hindi mo alam na kasiraan sating mga pinoy yun??? Kasalanan ng isa kasalanan ng lahat! People have the tendency to generalize. Wala ka bang natutunan sa #cancelkorea? Maliit na nga tingin satin lalo nyo pang pinapatunayan na ganun talaga tyong mga pinoy. Pinoy artist nlng ang pwede ntin ipagmalaki sa mundo hahatakin nyo pa pababa.? Damay ndin jan lahat ng artist ntin na matitino at napapakahirap para lng maregocnized sa international scene.dahil sa kabobohan nyo lahat sila apektado.ganyan ba gusto nyo makilala mga artist ntin na magnanakaw? Kaya mababa tingin satin ng buong mundo.magnanakaw na ang goverment pati artist magnanakaw nadin. Magisip isip nman kyo.

[@junnymaeacebes3093]

@@brendand.2874 damay ? Lmao ! Not at all .. Well maybe you should better check and read comments PROPERLY and VIGILANTLY and FYI, I'm just commenting here what I felt . Don't use "nyo" if you are not sure that isa ako sa nagpalala internationally . EZ! lol!

[@Hoan00002]

I’m a nurse, IDGAF what Jennie wears. *this is the perspective of an American nurse though. I don’t know how it is in Korea. I mean here we see sexy nurse costumes for Halloween every year.

[@ajmv_lice]

You said it, it's in NORTH AMERICA. We don't know honestly, but yeah i think it's like exagerating

[@user-cq7vi1ti4k]

it's not even sexy. the only thing that makes it sexy is jennie in it.

[@uhh.3680]

The argument "If you don't like it, just don't look at it" has never progressed anything forward ever. (I got this from another comment that I lost)

[@petitecoco1178]

Because ice cream maker is never as stigmatized as nurse profession. As simple as that. The problem with nurses is because when you look at porn one of the most famous fetish is about them. So yeah it is something thatis hard to get rid off from their profession. And i think when someone or a group of people speak their opinion and showing what bugging them off and you response it with a replied of "then dont watch it.." is quite insensitive for anyone to say.

[@deejay0195]

Ddaeng sounded similar for SURE. But Bad Boy was AN EXACT REPLICA!!! Is this dude serious right now!?!?!??! How dare he!

[@em5522]

Yeah, I'm surprise there wasn't bigger outrage over that. It was exactly the same. 😳😬

[@deejay0195]

@@em5522 exactly! And he had the balls to say it was a coincidence? They just borrowed the beat and vibes? Absolutely not. If they two songs can be played back and forth, and side by side without sounding different, its a completely plagiarize song.

[@minyoongistangerine6159]

@@em5522 I think many people just ignored it.

[@laurencollins1527]

I am an nurse. I wasn't offended, and I'm still not offended. I didn't think twice about the outfit until Korea made an issue of it. The issue isn't the outfit. The issue is the lack of respect for women and the nursing profession as a whole, not a damn outfit that was a actually pretty decent representation of what nurses used to wear before the 80's. Yeah the hat obviously has a heart embellishment (because the song is literally called lovesick girls), and the heels aren't accurate, but it's a freaking MV. Not everything needs to be 100% accurate. But like I said, this sounds more like a societal issue than anything else. People just love to get offended these days and even more so play the victim. Change the GP's mindset about the nursing profession and this whole issue becomes irrelevant because it was never about the uniform, the issue has deeper roots than that. And actually YES, kpop idols wear sexualized prosecutor/office clothes all the time in their MVs. Wtf are knetz smoking? And are we going to talk about all the other outfits that are sexualized as well like school uniforms, police officers, sailors, flight attendants, cowgirl attire (Itzy) etc? Or are we only going to talk about nursing because JENNIE and YG did it? Because nobody cared about GG or Mamamoo sexualizing nursing outfits, or Itzy/Oh My Girl sexualizing/CA cowgirl attire, or Girls Day in sexy cop uniforms, are any number of GG's professional outfits through out the years. It just became an issue when a YG artist did it. Give me a break.

[@iamzetsuemi]

They are discriminating YG artists and it's a fact. Korean media playing dirty lately.